And I will end my thoughts about Phillip with this. The day he says im done than i will support what ever life he chooses. But until then, i will have all the faith in the world that he will be successful because that is what i believe based on his character. So if you feel i cant handle the truth so be it.

Hell, go back to training camp.

Is Gaines better than Devante Bausby?

At this point it's looking like a big ol "no"

The truth is he is a good guy who happens to totally suck at football. That's a problem...

hate him.

. Saying you hate someone you dont even know is pretty sad. If you say he sucks at playing or you wish he would get cut is one thing but saying you hate him is really really sad. I feel sorry for you.

Are you his mom? That explains your membership name.

Nope

Just a good friend of the family.

Who gives a **** if he is a nice guy? He sucks at football. My waiter tonight was a nice guy. Can't play corner, but a nice guy. Let Gaines be a nice guy waiting tables. Just get him off my team. Guy ****ing sucks shit through a tube.

Gaines is a magnet for game deciding **** ups. He’s the worst corner I’ve seen in a long time.

Holy shit. A Tiger/Sandy/Mav for the worst ****ing defensive back in football.

Now I've seen it all.

And that's great. And I'm sure he's a nice kid. And I can understand why you'd get emotional reading this thread because it's personal to you.

But the rest of us are just being objective. And he objectively is not a good player right now and has been a HUGE liability for the Chiefs. Maybe you're right and he'll go on to be an All Pro CB, but there is not a talent evaluator on planet earth aside from yourself that thinks he looks like someone who will eventually be elite.

Right now he sucks.

I don't know that I've ever seen a player that has been as consistently and comically inept as Gaines.

Stop reading this thread if you don't want your feelings hurt. If he plays another down this year, it's only gonna get worse.

A good test would be when we cut him if any other team would touch him with a ten foot pole.

The day he says "I'm done" I will offer Kansas City up to $16 million for a ticker-tape parade, buy new text books for all children attending KC public schools, and provide hot meals for all KC-area homeless for a period of not less than 23 months.

Your right i will stop reading. Good luck with your Chiefs the rest of the way.

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Im over trashing Gaines.

At this point i just feel bad for him. Maybe he shouldn't be playing in a largely man coverage scheme.

This is beyond that.

This person is someone like his mom, his aunt, brother in law, etc.

Gaines needs a hobby, non-football related.

Can you even blame Gaines anymore? Its been so apparent for so long what his talent level is. Blame the ****wit who keeps putting him on the field.

We need to put Mitchell back on the field. He'll get beat and draw a flag from time to time but he is absolutely a better option than Gaines.

It should be Peters at LCB, Mitchell at RCB, and Nelson in the slot with Acker first off the bench. Gaines can play garbage time snaps and special teams.

Or the asshole that thinks he can cover 1v1 with no safety over the top.....I get that Sutton likes to keep it simple and let players play, but the NFL has figured his shit out...to the point where they're literally lobin' jump balls when the Chiefs are caught in certain coverages.

It's pretty apparent that every team in the NFL knows to throw it up for grabs when you get a 1v1 with any Chiefs DB not named Peters.

Nelson has proven at this point that he's not durable. Good player, can't stay healthy.

Houston is good but not great. He doesn't take over games anymore.

Parker has been almost invisible this season. He doesn't LOOK like he's lost a step to me, but he hasn't been an impact player.

Hali is done.

Ford looks like another Jerry Attouchu....a broke dick with fantastic athleticism.

Bailey is maxed out. He only stands to get worse. He never made that "leap" and has been largely the same guy for the last 3 seasons.

Logan seems aight enough, but not a difference maker, much like Bailey.

Johnson sadly looks like he lost 5 steps.

I love me some Dirty Dan, but he's just a role player.

We need Mahomes to really pan out, because this defense won't be top 10 for awhile.

I really hope the coaches are mulling over taking DJ's starting role.

This team just has a much better, and faster, feel with Ragland and KPL at ILB.

Maybe this just isn't the right scheme for Gaines. I'm sure he's a great guy and all, but he's getting wrecked out there.

No one wants to see that.

Like i said, im over bashing the guy. At this point i just hope he can go somewhere and excel, maybe a scheme that doesn't expose their corners as often as the Chiefs do.

Idk....those guys haven't really impressed me yet either.

No one here is arguing that Gaines is a bad person. We're saying he's a really ****ing bad football player.

I felt the same about Ragland up until this past week, but he was a force yesterday. I also saw KPL make some good plays on the perimeter.

Either way, DJ hasn't impressed either. The guy's made like four big plays this entire season. At least the young guys can learn and get better. It's only downhill for DJ.

At this point Gaines best chance might be converting to safety.

They're going to have rebuild almost this entire defense. Thank God we'll have some money to work with this offseason.

ROFL he can't tackle. His best chance is to retire and just end it. The dude is done.

Not a chance in hell.

His best chance is to go a team that plays a lot of zone. Maybe he'd be better in a "tampa-2" scheme? Idk.

But his lack of ball skills is absolutely killing him here.

What??!

He weighs like 45 pounds. He couldn't play safety at a highschool level, let alone the NFL.

Hmmm, saw he was 6' 1", but didnt realize how thin he is. Yeah bad idea.

Fixed

Dude, his mom is gonna read this.

I am shocked this team can't find someone better on the street than this guy. Unbelievable how bad he is.

Gaines is a bad last name to have as a defensive back.

I'd stay away from guys with the last name "Conversion" and "Holding" as well.

but, I'm not a scout.

Terrence Mitchell is better, but Andy Reid holds grudges like an asshole.

I was just really happy when Succop turned out ok.

He shouldn't be playing in a NFL scheme. Maybe CFL will like him.

I've never seen a defensive back in the NFL with worse ball skills than Gaines. He has absolutely no idea how to track a ball that is in the air.

Edit: I'm not sure I've seen a player at his position with worse ball skills at any level of football above high school. It really is astonishing how poorly he adjusts to the ball.

How useful would Revis be and what would it cost to rent him for three months?

Revis is completely shot, no one even tried him out at safety... he is done

The real problem is: with Berry missing, our defense is absolutely devoid of talent. Peters included.

Sadly, DeSean Leading With The Crown Of Your Helmet didn't pan out in this league.

I laughed my ass off when Dan Fouts said, "What the heck is Gains doing?" ROFL

He would be good at football camps to demonstrate what not to do.

I thought he refused to switch to safety.

edit: Looked it up, and he wanted to give it a go. I am genuinely curious how big a difference there is between old Revis and current Gaines.

Gaines played a good game until he slipped on OT. He is definitely better on the outside than the inside. I remember arguing that when he was the nickel. I feel sorry for him. He just had bad luck on that play.

He seems to have a lot of bad luck at the worst possible times. He's at the point where it's not luck, it's just bad.

You're presuming his mom can read.

I was a big Gaines backer.

At this point I'm convinced he's got the "Bartee Syndrome."

Above average talent but no ability to make a play on the ball. In important situations you can just lob it up and expect the WR to make the catch...