Don't underestimate him with an OL and Smith throwing 350-400Yds; Hunt would be dangerous to any team.

Bullshit.

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Must throw to open up the running when the line is stacked. thought that was common knowledge but apparently not on CP. Also thought that a decline of 10 ppg from the offense and only an increase of 2 ppg from the defense in the last 4 games would open some eyes. I guess not. the offense is hot gahbage right now because of ALEXIS!

we are missing a bad ass "make tunnels out of cracks of daylight" running back. You know we needed to get A. Peterson instead of AZ. Someone like him would break things open.

Just not going to get the carries if you go 3 and out most of the time and the carries are getting you into long yardage.

Romo was probably right the Cowboys in the first half out schemed the Chiefs by making it look like the Chiefs needed to run it to a specific area and then slanting the line hard to that area.

If you had to put a % on it.. how much do you think is the OL.. and how much is it that defenses are starting to predict and diagnose our plays pre-snap?

Anyone have thoughts on that?

Schwartz got owned all day by Lawrence and by the end of the game Schwartz actually false started because you could see he was intimidated. Just saying.

Trying to put a percentage on it is pointless, but the offense as a whole has clearly regressed

Musical chairs O line finally caught up to us, even with rusty LDT back

Smith starting to manager up again because of that, reverting back to his comfortable default mode

Reids propensity for becoming inexplicably predictable at the worst times, after extended fits of sheer genius is well documented

Its on every member of that staff and team

You really saw this big time in the Denver game, where as soon as the TH HB pass failed, Andy's butt puckered up i.e. to the play calling from that point on.

I dont take SI anymore did he make a cover or anything.

Lot of things injuries at o line and wideout teams have decided to stop the run first and play tight coverage make Alex beat you over the top.

Butker is the only one keeping himself out of this shitstorm.

Toub really had an ace up his sleeve there, kid is like the new Seabass

I think he does better running power but the line is full of little girls that get destroyed off the snap. Not sure how they got so bad all of a sudden even with Morse & Tardif in there. There seems to be room when they run the stretch but he's not patient enough or has the vision to find the cutback.

No, the defense sucked back then too.

We were not killing them PPG last year were 19PPG (Which was #6) sure beats 23PPG today in 2016 (2014-15 low 17's)

In 2012 we were 26.6PPG scored on us

We could be a lot worse and hopefully we get back some key people, a refreshed team, and some new "schemes" in place wouldn't hurt from Sutton.

That run in OT yesterday that got called back on the bogus penalty was amazing. This kid is good and he's gonna be great. Period.

Take out one horrible game against one of the best run defenses in the league (denver) and he is still averaging over 4YPC in those other 4 games.

It doesnt help that he only had 9 carries against PIT and 9 carries against DAL.

Agreed with the bolded.

ROFL

Running game is equally as bad as passing

Alex Smith is struggling to beat basic zone coverage. That is by a mile the biggest issue. The OL improves when Alex Smith gets rid of the ball faster and finds the hot read. The offense becomes much less predictable when we aren't constantly checking down. The run game improves dramatically when you stretch the defense a little bit.

Andy has never committed to the run. That's part of the problem.
30 mph winds and Hunt had like 4 carries in the first half.

His best run of the day was called back because of a penalty. I don't know why Reid isn't getting more blame for the overall lack of discipline.

And, they keep putting West in the game in critical situations. Hunt has big play ability but they send him to the bench.

Bad QB play.

When the defense can totally focus on KH and not worry about AS going downfield because they know AS can't throw or won't throw in tight windows then it makes it pretty easy to shut down the run game. And also our o-line does not have the ability to road grade when needed(when defenses stack the box).

QB drives the train. Smith ignores WRs and never gets them in the flow of the game. If he was actually a capable QB he would be able to loosen up a defense but he isn't capable. He fails to look in the right place and even when he does he fails to pull the trigger to many times. He affects the offense including the running game.

This offensive line is garbage when facing big huge front 7s that get after you with just punching you in the face.

I was at the game and the Giants are terrible but one of their biggest investments is their D-Line (Snacks, JPP, Vernon, etc). They are stout up front just like the Steelers and this offensive line can't handle guys that just bullrush you all game.

I have never seen a LT in football get that much help on the blindside like Fisher did against the Giants. I couldnt believe how many times Kelce lines up on the LT's side or they BROUGHT AN EXTRA LINEMAN IN and had to declare him as an eligible receiver just to sit him next to Fisher and help Fisher stop Vernon.

The Chiefs basically admitted defeat before the game even started that the 1 on 1 matchup between Fisher and Vernon was something they needed to plan and help him with with Kelce chipping or an extra lineman.

I couldn't believe how many double teams and all the resources that went into stopping Vernon. It made me realize how important having a good premier LT is.

Any competitive results are based on adjustments (or lack there of...)
Video games, Football, LIFE, etc...

If you don't adjust to your opponents, they will adjust to you... making you a loser with excuses.

It's ****ing simple dude. Sutton doesn't adjust.
Alex Smith is just shitty at his job.

I have been wondering if some of this may be related to trying extend Hunt's stamina later into the season in an attempt to keep him from the "rookie wall".

But then again, it could just be Andy and his lack of ability to properly use a stud RB (see Charles the last few years under Andy).

nope it is purely for the fact that teams are selling out to stop the run because defenses don't respect Alex

Alex is the type of low risk QB that needs to see his WR's break like 5 yards of being open before he will grab his nuts and throw the ball. (Keep in mind that Alex has been masquerading as a legitimate QB for years due to his LOW INT ratio and riding good defenses coattails). Yes, the 49ers defense was great. Yes, the Chiefs were living off extremely lucky and opportunistic take-aways the last few seasons.

With a team rushing 4 and playing cover 2, Alex will feel phantom pressure and has a bad habit of leaving the pocket. When he does this, his eyes are no longer looking downfield and this is why you see SO MANY gifs of WIDE OPEN Receivers and Alex not even looking near them.

If Alex could have more poise in the pocket, giving these WR's enough time to reach their destination, he may see more success throwing down field.

That said; even with shitty pocket presence, there are still opportunities for a QB to succeed.

Alex leaving the pocket premature still could be an advantage by using his legs to manipulate those zone coverage players into stepping up while the QB tosses it to a WR who is now left uncovered. Alex was doing this the first few games of this season, but for some reason has quit keeping his eyes down field (something Mahomes excels in).

Now, coming back to the quoted text about the run game:

Alex's limitations in the passing game severely cramp the running game because that is the main focus of the opponents defense. Any team that has watched the Chiefs struggle on film knows that you take away the run, study the trick play formations, and force Alex Smith to beat you deep (which he cannot).

I know, I know... real life is not Madden.... but what happens in Madden when you pick a running play, and no matter how awesome your RB is, he still gets creamed in the backfield because the defense knew the predictable play call and picked the perfect defense for it?
This is what is happening to Hunt.

He runs hard and sheds a lot of tackles, but he can't make 4-5 guys miss right as he gets the ball. Only Barry Sanders was good enough to do that. :)

Hunt has NOT hit a "Rookie wall" <-- one of the dumbest things people say.
It's simply that the opponents have figured out a way to stop the Chiefs offense (thanks Steelers) and the Chiefs cannot adjust due to the limitations of Alex Smith.


Ok, nobody will read that or care... but I feel better now.

Thanks for the detailed response (yes, I did read it all!). My point was really more to the low number of running plays that are getting called in general. Hunt was looking pretty good Sunday and they should have fed him the ball much more. He was averaging over 4 YPC and has shown that he, like most RBs, gets stronger as the game goes on. Running him a few more times in the 4th would have provided positive results IMO.

Grunny on 810 had an interesting take. Said the Chiefs are running out of the shotgun too much. He said that if Smith lined up under center more often, the play action fake would slow down opposing defenses and the box wouldn't be stacked as much. Said that the Chiefs aren't fooling anyone when they hand off out of the shotgun. Especially that wrap around hand off. Makes sense. Anyone know what percent of plays have been shotgun vs under center? Haven't seen that stat on any of the free websites.

(BTW, the Giants obviously scouted the shuffle pass to Kelce. Glad he wasn't injured/killed on that play. They need to put that one back on the shelf for a few games.)

The Shovel is a gimmick that comes out every 10 years then goes away when teams practice defending it. It didn't help that the Gin'ts were looking for him to run it at the goal line, might have worked early in a drive at the other end of the field but teams know it is coming in the redzone.

If I were Andy I would stop trying the gimmick WR/TE throws. Both times they have tried to run those they have been INT's.

Andy is going to have to go back to his LOS YAC O and try to get Fake Gronk in the seam a couple times a game for chunks.

Agree with those thoughts. I would include throwing over the top to Hill. He's frequently open. Maybe throw some help to the LT on those plays. Fake Gronk. LOL.