Alex Smith the entertainer: Always leaving you wanting more...

I knew Monday would be like this.

WTF are you talking about? He led an offense that scored 9 points against a 1-8 team that has a defense that ranked 30th in pts allowed and 24th in passing yards allowed. Yeah, that last drive was just magical. So magical that he couldn't finish it off with even ONE ****ING ATTEMPT in the end zone.

Nope, it's external.

Mitch Schwartz is obviously leaking frustration to his brother who is tweeting it, and Kelce is pumping up Mahomes in practice and now taking indirect shots at Alex.

The players want a QB change.

Your football knowledge is lacking. Watch the games. Smith has played like garbage 4 out of the last 5 games.

The controversy is already stirring hot... Kelce says they can't beat cover 2 right now. That has to be about Alex. That's what we've all seen since last year against TB.

If you would told Chiefs fans before the year that Alex Smiff would have a QB rating 2nd in the NFL, ahead of Brees and just a hair behind Brady I would think everyone would have been ecstatic.

The Chiefs are 6th in yards, 6th in scoring offense. Oddly enough, the defense wasnt the problem against the Giants. Alex and the offense just need to be more consistent, its almost as if certain coaches can scheme the Chiefs offense out of games

I posted Geoff Schwartz's video in another thread. He says Mahomes isn't ready.

Even the biggest haters celebrated our offense early in the year. This isn't just one bad game or a few bad games sprinkled in. This is 5 straight games where most were terrible offensive performances. And it follows a consistent theme that we can't beat zone.

The problem is, Alex lovers right now act like these bad 5 offensive games are out of the blue. They aren't. This is a lot more consistent with what our offense has looked like the last 5 years. It's just our defense isn't bailing them out anymore.

With all due respect, this is just stupid. I wish I could find it because GoChiefs posted some clips of Alex missing a few wide open WRs yesterday. This is becoming a habit.

People need to think this through... Our offensive line was in shambles after week 4 and has never been right since then. We are getting closer to being healthy but still 1-2 games away from being back to week 4 if we are lucky. This is the biggest reason we are struggling... well, and our banged up defense. Anyone who compares yesterday's game to CJ Bethard playing in SF last week is also crazy. The wind yesterday effected both teams greatly. No points were scored going to the East endzone. The ball was sailing or getting crushed depending on where you were on the field. This was evidenced by both teams QB's and offense. I believe Mahommes is the future, but the Oline is in shambles and not a good time to make a switch.

OL is an issue but they look OK in pass protection. Hit a few of those long gains and it will help out the running game.

This. Nailed it. I have been very on the fence in the Alex Smith civil war for years. I was genuinely excited how he performed the first few games. But he's been a trainwreck since. "Happy feet" game manager cometh...

I do think odds are he'll perform better the remainder of the season. But we know what we've got and what he can and cannot do. Expectations have been reset to a realistic place. <Sigh>

These people actually thinking we might start Mahomes ex-injury are beyond delusional.

How is the OLine in shambles? They gave up 1 sack yesterday (which many feel wasnt their fault at all), and 2 total hurries.

That sounds to me like they did a fantastic job, not that they are "in shambles."

there should be an internal HC controversy, after an extra week of preparation against the worst team in the league, this is what Reid has to offer? Finally get momentum on a crucial drive and then have Kelce lob one across the field.. ****ing idiots

also, what the **** is with the horizontal passes? if one bubble screen doesn't work.. how about we do it over and over again. Truly pathetic display from the top down.

becoming?

Based on what? Delusion? You say Mahomes fans are delusional? ROFLROFLROFL

That bullshit narrative needs to stop as well as ripping a defense that gave up 9 points in regulation.

I'm hoping ASS11 has internal bleeding.

Smith can't do whats needed with his arm. He has done poorly since Hunts yards cooled off. He needs a top running attack to be effective. It pretty obvious. In todays game that won't cut it.

Smith is half the reason why he doesn't have a top running attack. Defenses don't respect him.

First half, Hunt had 4 carries.

Horrible wind. A QB that generally struggles with anything over 10 yards and you have your premiere back only carry the ball 4 times. Sprinkle in a few horrible cute plays and you have a recipe for disaster. If KC could have jumped out to an early lead the NYG would have folded. Missed opportunities.

Which defense are we using to make this "SB run"? Not sure if you've noticed but there is no way this defense is a SB caliber and would get smoked by NE and Shitsburgh (again). I'm all for starting Mahomes but he's not gonna make our run D better, or our secondary not have Gaines, or make Berry come back this season.

They were just discussing the Chiefs QB situation on Monday Night Countdown. Chris Mortensen just said the Chiefs play Buffalo and the Jets the next 2 weeks, with a 2 game lead, so you continue to monitor the situation, but word is Mahomes continues to look spectacular. Louis Riddick said if Smith continues to falter, this situation bears watching if Mahomes plays.

So you don't think there is any chance the players see the misses from Smith in the Coaching tapes the past 4 to 5 weeks, and see Mahomes being "spectacular" (Chris Mortensen's words, not mine) in practice and players shifting their preference to Mahomes?

Start PMIII. What do you have to lose

Devil's Advocate:

Nearly every reputable scout/talking head also said that Mahomes was a better prospect than Deshaun Watson.

That kid only lit it up playing with less talent than Mahomes would be surrounded by here.

He's not going to play this year because a.) Andy is a stubborn **** and b.) Andy is a stubborn ****.

#becausechiefs #fatandy

Kinda over the whole 'He's not ready' talk.... he's had 11 weeks of regular season football to sit. The extra 6 isn't likely going to make a huge difference at this juncture.

Carson Wentz wasn't ready.
Russell Wilson wasn't ready.
Deshaun Watson wasn't ready.
Derek Carr wasn't ready.

This list could go on and on. Point being, I don't think anyone is 'ready' for their first start. But, Mahomes has been afforded more developmental time than most already and he has a supporting cast that can really help as he eases into gaining more experience.

It's time.

They're usually solid in pass pro, but are Charmin soft run blockers

'Shambles' is going too far, but they are badly lacking in one key area, and its having an effect on the entire offense

Yeah, it's not like Mahomes is going to pull a Peterman.

And honestly, even if he did, IDGAF.

Yesterday was the first time in my fandom that I actually texted friends and said that I hope we lose.

They ****ing deserved it.

Half of our run game problems are BECAUSE of Alex Smith. Defenses don't respect him. Run cover 2 and load the box. That's how you stop our offense.

The OL is just ****ing fine.

The QB continues to get happy feet, look at the rush and run himself right into sacks.

Anyone catch the WASH/NO game yesterday?

Holy **** - Cousins stepped up into some ****ing bring the farm blitzes and delivered some strikes as he was getting crushed.

You don't see that from Alex. He's bailing at the first sign of pressure.

I hope we lose every game that Reid continues to trot out Smith as a starting QB. C.J. Beathard played better than Smith against that Giants team.

CJ Beathard put up THIRTY ONE POINTS against the defense while surrounded by USFL players.

Aside from the Broncos and Steelers games, that Charmin soft run blocking has done just fine.

I'll split the difference with you here, because Pesty has a valid point

But 3.7 ypc and 4.1 ypc vs Houston, Dallas and NY respectively is no great shakes, and I wouldnt put those numbers on Hunt... also don't forget our short yardage and goal line woes

The run blocking, while not our biggest problem... sure isn't helping, either

The optimum situation would be Alex returning to the form of the first month of the season and keeps Mahomes off the field (and not giving DCs film on him going into 2018 that they can spend time analyzing) and we can get something for Alex after the year is up.

If Alex continues to shit the bed the next couple games, Andy would be wise to start giving Pat some opportunities with the 1s in practice and give Pat the last 2-3 games and the playoffs to get him a taste of starting both regular and postseason games.

Mahomes was arguably the better prospect because he has a much higher ceiling - but also a lower floor.

I wanted Mahomes to get the #1 snaps from the start. I wanted the Chiefs to focus on him once he was drafted. Unfortunately Andy, and most of the posters who are currently freaking out, wanted him to sit a year or two. He didn't get the snaps and is probably not prepared.

I hear you. 4.1 YPC is certainly nothing to write home about. But when you are averaging 3.7-4.1 YPC, on average you are getting first downs every 3 plays. That is definitely fine enough for a functional offense.

Disagree with the lower floor and probably not prepared comments.

Otherwise, we're on the same page.

Alex also never seems to take advantage of a free play. Offside yesterday and he ran around and took a sack instead of just chucking it up

Chiefs players want to win Superbowl
No rookie quarterback has won a Superbowl
Players know this
Andy doesn't want to upset players
Won't start Alex until there's more poor performances

Just my 2 cents

The OL is the same as it's been the last 4 years basically. They're an average to above average pass blocking group and and below average to bad run blocking group. It's been that way for a long time now. But that's the style Andy wants for his system.

He wants to finesse everybody with misdirection and smaller but athletic OL, but we don't have a bunch of maulers to push the DL back in the run game. LDT and Morse are good run blockers, but Fisher/(insert bum LG)/and Schwartz aren't up to par in the run game.

Game managers never win Super Bowls without a great defense either, so let's spin our wheels.

Neither has Alex Smith and he NEVER will, so what are you scared of?

Do you really believe that the players think Alex Smith is going to lead them to a Super Bowl much less a Super Bowl win? LMAO

I'm just expressing what I believe Reid's strategy might be

I think Reid is playing it safe. I think the offensive players want. Mahomes. The defensive players want Smith

That's what I think

Why the **** would the defensive players want Smiff? Makes no sense, especially if Mahomes is tearing that ass up every day in practice.

So you honestly still believe Smith can lead us to a win over New England or Pittsburgh on the road in the playoffs? Look deep inside yourself to find the answer. If the answer is no, then why not get the kid a head start on next season and what would likely be a chance to play in a Wild Card game as well instead of watching Smith's tenure die a slow painful death?

Exactly. They still want to be invited into the media room and don't want to be banned. Just like political pressers. Any journalist worth their salt that asks hard questions are either ignored or banned.

Totally original but I put myself in a sports journalists shoes with my football eyes and how can you NOT ask Andy these questions ?:shrug:

Because you have zero understanding of professional sports lockerroom.

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And of course, you do.:rolleyes:

I'm not talking about the locker room asking players any how I am talking about the presser asking Reid the tough questions. But please tell me about your professional sports locker room experiences. I'm sure you have many stories since you have been "wounding vaginas since 2000 and like to let people know, "You are the most interesting man in the world" and have experienced it all !!:shrug::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Smitty is not a good quarterback. Smitty doesn't even pass the eye test anymore. Smitty doesn't do any of the things really good quarterbacks do. Smitty can't carry a team when needed. Smitty doesn't make those around him better. If it wasn't for Reid, Smitty would probably be nothing more than a stop gap journeyman somewhere.

When Mahomes played he made pedestrian players like Robinson, DAT, and Ross Travis look like really good players. Mahomes is already a better quarterback than Smitty.

Reid thought he could make chicken salad out of Smitty. And he tried hard. But now everybody except you and a few other Smitty first fans have come to obvious conclusion that Smitty is what he is. An above average game manager with below average QB talent and instincts.

I've always wanted Smitty to succeed but the Smitty first fans have soured me completely on that desire. He can't be replaced fast enough. Your obsession with Smitty and your need to refer to him as Smitty is creepy. I'm not sure why I find that annoying but I do. It is just stupid.

Hopefully you will follow Smitty when he leaves KC and become a fake fan of his new team, too.

I don't know. Just like I don't know what Reid was thinking at the end of the half with 57 secs and a timeout

The only thing I know Reid thinks about is pizza, burgers, fries, and calling plays

Idk about Smitty but I'm all for referring to him as Big Al.

This but unironically

regardless of what you all think. Chiefs are still number 1 in division. you don't pull your QB and throw in a rookie. You have to be plain f'in stupid to do that. Has Alex played lights out last few games? no! Do you blame Hunt for being a crappy running back last few games? Nope! Chiefs have no damn run game, Andy has already said the o-line is not doing a great job. But I think Andy is pushing Hunt way too hard. He has worked the guy off, give me some reps off. Switch between him and someone else here and there.

Now lets get away from that. Run game is shut! Chiefs main recievers are injured that Alex had great chemistry with. Now you only have Hill and Kelce. Who else sounds amazing on the receiving core? No one.

run game is gone and you only have two playmakers on the team and your o-line doesn't run block or pass protect very well.

There is your analysis. They are playing bad as a team. Yes they could all play better.

really scout team and NFL are two different things budd. You dont throw in a rookie QB when you are still leading the division. This isn't a time to test talent yet.

Run game issues could have something to do with Hunt hitting a wall and the O line not creating a ton of push, but it could also have a lot to do with the fact that teams aren't respecting the downfield passing game at all and for good reason.. they really don't have to. As far as pass protection I think we have been fine. Not great but good enough. Problem is Smith has no pocket presence and when he panics at phantom pressure it makes it seem like the protection broke down prematurely.

(1)Partially, yes I do.

(2)This happens all the time.

(3)Kelce, Hill, and Hunt are injured?

(4)Demarcus Robinson is running almost wide open in at least 30% of his snaps in All22.

(5)Yes they do.

(6)I agree here for the most part, but this past game is squarely on number 11.

We lost our run game when AS went south and we don't have a physical o-line that can road grade when needed(when defenses stack the box). KH and any RB for that matter is only effective when the QB play is good because now the defense can't just key on the run game because now they have to account for the playmaking QB. Defenses have figured out Alex and his weaknesses. There is an old saying that say's "you rush good QBs, however you play cover with the bad QBs forcing them to beat you" not that you can't rush the bad ones but you get my point.

Defenses have copied the Steelers defensive game plan since we lost to them.

Play zone and avoid man to man, shut KH down, and force Alex to throw in tight windows to beat you. He can't do it. This is a QB driven game and league and right now AS has very little confidence and it is getting worse every week and it shows.

In most circumstances you are correct, however when clearly the QB's play has been the issue and you have lost the last 4/5 due to his primary bad play in those losses and now you only have a 2 game lead halfway through the season with the Chargers catching their mojo and coming for us, I assure if AS continues the happy foot routine when he doesn't have to and misses wide open receivers with a few more INTs and continuing to lose games AR has to do something because he does not want to lose this divisional lead and winning this division is "the only" way we go to the playoffs because the way we are playing now we won't qualify for even a WC IMHO.

AS/PM2 is a very unique situation unlike most starter/bu's scenarios for sure.

No, I think Alex will perform better the remainder of the season just as I thought he would perform worse after the first few games. It's something called regression to the mean. He wasn't the quarterback we saw at the beginning of the season but I do think he's better than what we saw against the Giants. Moreover, the majority - though not everybody - on this board were believers of the "Mahomes lit a fire under Alex" narrative at the beginning of the season given his improved play. If there were any truth to that - and perhaps there were a sliver - I can create a similar one that says, "After the Giants game, Alex Smith had nothing to lose - he knew he was auditioning for his next job on the Browns or Jags and played balls out for the remainder of the year." I'm not arguing for him to be Joe Montana - I'm just arguing for him to take a step up from Steve Bono.

And I'm not saying Mahomes fans are delusional for wanting him to start - I can surely understand that sentiment. I'm saying it's highly unlikely Reid actually goes in that direction unless every game from here on out is as bad as Sunday's game against the Giants (which I personally don't think will be the case but the jury is out).

All of this.

Same exact shit that happened with cassel.

7 or 8 in the box/cover 2.

I can't believe how many stretches a game tyreek and demarcus go without a target. If hill didn't have forced wr screens, he would barely have any receptions. How do you have a deep weapon like that and not use it?

Why do people want to take two more losses to be convinced is beyond me.

I'm actually OK with mahomes sitting on the bench. As weird as it sounds, I think the front office views this as a throwaway season and so do I. I don't think we have the talent to even win a super bowl even with mahomes. The big benefit we get out of finishing the season with Alex Smith is trade value. If mahomes is the clear cut qb going into next season, no team is going to want to trade for a qb the Chiefs were going to cut anyway. Meanwhile, I don't mind mahomes learning on the bench. I said before, I think mahomes could step in right away and ball out, but I think his tendency to freestyle will make him a constant injury threat. Plus going with mahomes next year puts less controversy. I think people are underestimating how many alexsexuals don't want this move to happen.

The rest of the season will be cringeworthy with smith but I think it sets up a better situation for us. Just patiently waiting for the Alex Smith era to be over.

Bullshit. For one, you don't learn from the bench (see bray) and two, 5-0 doesn't suddenly become a throwaway year. Bench his ass now!

Think forward to Feb 15, 2018 and as you look back on the 2017 season where Alex finished out the seaeson with a playoff loss. As you reflect, do you wish the team would have taken a "let's see what happens with the rookie" approach?

If so, start the guy... play the odds. True, no rookie has ever won a SB. Is this team really built at this point to win the AFC? Make a bet on the future, give the rookie six games (with a 2 game divisional lead) to learn and grow. You'll be better off for it in the long run, especially in 2018.

Alex over played expectations through the first 10 weeks ... you're playing with house money right now.

I concur 100% donkey fan. Maybe you are not so bad after all.:D

I stand by what I said and I am not a fan of his. The reality is that even on his worst day Alex is the best player on the roster this season. He was the only reason we were in that game. The fourth quarter comeback drive was all him

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