I haven't followed the Raiders very much. I'm assuming Mack is about to get paid big bucks? Is he on his rookie deal still?

JG will take MD's money for a few years then retire for good.

Live here locally so I get tons of raider news. Sounds like their camp is going great and LT Miller is further along than they could even hope. Penn is injured and being asked to restructure his contract. Not hearing any trade rumors regarding Mack but who knows? He still has a year left on his contract.

Apparently Martavis Bryant can't figure out the playbook and Gruden isn't happy.

Yes, he's got around $13.8 million for his 5th year option. Wants long term deal. Neither he, nor the Raiders, have put anything out there that indicates anything other than they currently have an impasse about either term, guaranteed money, or average/year. It doesn't help that the other best young defender in the NFL, Donald, is also up for an extension, and his 5th year option is only $6 million, and is reportedly asking for $25 million a year.

This comes as a surprise to no one. Bryant is a ****ing moron.

Lol wasted a 3rd

I mean, it may work out. But ****, the guy just seems stuck in 04.

How did they think that would be a good hire?

Lulz

Defensive players are just refusing to acknowledge the 'we are not going to pay you like a quarterback' thing.

If Donald or Mack would sign for a percentage kicker over what Von Miller signed for, I'm betting the deals get done. I just don't feel like they're willing to do that. They're hell-bent on re-setting the market for elite defensive players and getting them paid like they're a quarterback.

It's not gonna happen, lads. If they'd sign a deal with something like $75 million in guarantees and maybe $82 million over the first 4 years of the deal (who really gives a crap about the last year or two; fake money), I bet they'd get their contract done.

But when the Rams can tag Donald three times for a total of $55 million, just exactly how does he think he's gonna get them to pay him $25 million/season? Even Mack's 3 time franchise figure is 'only' $67 million. They're barking for money that no sane franchise would give them.

I'd be just as pleased to see the Raiders capitulate to Mack as I would see them trade him. Go ahead and extend a guy at $23 million/season through his age 31 season. See how that works out for you. Or hell, go ahead and trade him out of the division - I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him gone either. Personally, I think Mack's put them in a lose/lose situation here.

As for Donald - whatev; not my division, don't care. He can decide to retire if he wants but it's pretty silly to me that the Rams have him under team control for $55 million if they want over the three years after this one and he's effectively asking them to 'gift' him another $20 million. You don't like the rules - talk to your player rep. Maybe next time you guys won't get walloped in the CBA quite so badly.

One of the winningest coaches in history, who immediately turned the worst team in the league into a consistent winner is super average. Brilliant take.

What was it? 10 years since the Callahan Super Bowl and no playoffs? Something like that?

Then they finally find a decent QB and some talent here and there... and POOF! It's all gone because they went all in on Gruden.

God, it might be another 10 years before they make the playoffs again.

Freighters desperately sold his trailer and big rig to gift Flowbee the cash to sign Mack

The only trade rumors about Mack are those started by bored sportswriters. He is still on his rookie deal and we can franchise tag his butt for two years.

We cut the Italian Cannon because we signed the Florida duo as punter/kicker/holder. The previous holder was King who held for the lefty kickers Giorgio and Jano. That trio has departed so it makes no sense to keep the average Giorgio around. We have a righty holder and kicker now.

I have nothing useful to add other than I "chuck"le everytime I read the thread title.

I agree with all of this, and Mack will likely report at least in time for week 1. I don't think the Raiders will pay him more than $20-21 million a year, which is still a huge chunk of change, and they have him for the next three years minimum regardless of what he wants to do.

We also signed another right footed veteran kicker who's been pretty decent in Mike Nugent.

I think the desperation of Chiefs fan for Gruden to fail is pretty damn funny. I guess some of you are old enough to remember the whippings the Raiders put on KC while he was coach?

To be fair, I'm not convinced Gruden II will work out, but he's ten times the coach Del Rio was/is.

10 X 0 =0

Right. But Del Rio didn’t have personnel control

That is exactly the problem for the Raiders. McKenzie was doing a really good job of building that squad with very reasonable contracts. And with Gruden at least having his hands in the personnel decisions, that is likely to get screwed up.

This was a classic Al Davis bone-head play.

Well, you might have me there.

That is probably not entirely correct. Del Rio got the players he wanted.

It will take time but Gruden will get them back on track.

I'd guess a year or two to get back in the groove...

Doubt it.

Look into him.

The smarmy prick is hella smaht...

:popcorn:

At least they have 10 years to figure out if he’s still good or not!

Jon Gruden showing footage from the 1970s in his film sessions with the players LMAO

https://sports.yahoo.com/jared-cook-...050514179.html

I hope it takes every bit of that to find out.:D

Remember that "All-Pro" the Raiders cut? Rumblings that he might not make it out of camp. Dude's a total freak show. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/b...-host-at-camp/

LMAO

Had to check the link to see who this "All Pro" was. :rolleyes: oh that idiot punter. I think they did good moving on from him. If your going to get unsportsmanlike penalties get it for knocking the shit out of someone, not by dancing over a punt.

Old news.

Besides, why not? There is always something to learn from. And football is cyclical. Hell, the spread formation was around in the 1910s if you read some old newspaper articles.

I can`t mock Gruden yet......he has won a super bowl and Reid has not.....

Yep

Back on track to 4-12 seasons

The year Brady and the Pats missed the playoffs...

And Callahan was too stupid to change the signals which led to 5 Gannon interceptions

Reid's Eagles would have schooled the 2002 Raiders

**** the Raiders that is all I have to say about that.

With Tony Dungys players. TB soon went to shit afterwards.

i think i even created a thread about this, but doesn't it shit the **** out of me, when first year coaches win a title. THEY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to warrant that title. players win championships, not play calling :D

switzer comes to mind ROFL

I wouldn’t call him Switzer because he does deserve credit for the faiders brief turnaround in the late 90’s that lead up to their embarrassment of a super bowl appearance. IMO there’s stronger evidence that the game has passed him by as his fizzling out with the bucs suggests. Gruden has been a good self promoter over the years and chokelands incompetent management fell for it.

Then how come Dungy didn't take Tampa to a Super Bowl?

The guy just about wasted Manning's career

Almost except he did win a Super Bowl with Manning. Are you dumb enough to believe Gruden built that Super Bowl team by himself. Rhetorical question of course you are, you’re a faider fan.

The Raiders just sacked Matt Cassel. They got pressure and he panicked and went down. Some things never change.

Rookie PJ Halls first snap in the NFL and he got a pre season sack...:D

LOL Cassel still sucks. Why anyone employs him to play football is mind boggling.

Kareem hunts first carry resulted in a fumble and then he never fumbled again.

Think about it.

He was focusing that receiver so hard I would have had a chance of batting that down

I already did then he batted down a casserole pass :D

Well I guess he's awesome then!:rolleyes:

If it was Cassel, the league only counts it as 3/8ths of a sack. They adjusting the scoring based on difficulty.

It was a Cassel patented shit your pants sack. Nothing special.

calm down boys, it's only pre season

Conner Cook > Patrick Mahomes

Cassel just got sacked again.

That wasn't his fault

It really shows the incompetence of the personnel departments in the league.

You know they’re picking up his ass so they can push the veteran narrative and not actually have to do any, you know, work. On the backup QB anyway.

:hmmm:

Of course not. But that wasn't the topic of discussion. Gruden did something with Dungy's team that Dungy couldn't.

Ad hominem attack. Tapout accepted.

3/8ths my ass. Maybe, maybe, 1/8th. Casshole might be the easiest to sack qb ever. Raiders did look good last night, and in a minor miracle, Cook looked competent.

Gruden always had poor offenses in Tampa

This Carr is crashing

No class. I guess that's why he's heading up the trashiest organization in all of sports.

CaSelle was pretty wooden out there. Howdy Doody was probably more mobile

One thing is 100% truth......Gruden is the best coach the Raiders have had since.......Gruden.

Hate and laugh all we want but the Raiders won`t show up to any games unprepared any longer.

You’re the one who brought up Peyton Manning moron. I totally understand why you’re dumb enough to believe it was Gruden who magically turned the bucs into a super bowl winner in one year and not him winning with Dungys players.

They'll show up prepared to play 1970 smash mouth football and we'll drop 40 on them. Like the Broncos, Oakland is our bitch until we tell them otherwise.

Ok then

PJ Hall looks like he’s going to be a damn good DT

The player that will be the best from our draft is Arden Key
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxxzMh8ASB4

$1 million per game

If we ever needed proof that this dude was a troll.

Tom Cable was turning it around but they let him go.

I still can’t believe someone was stupid enough to give a coach who hasn’t coached in almost a DECADE, a 10 year contract. Then I remember... Faders. Lmao!

To their credit it's going to take Chucky a year or two just to catch up with the game. At least they won't fire him after year two when knowing what to expect.

He is not going to have to catch up, he looked like he never left Friday night