I agree. If they can tie the staff to it in any way, I could see some things get vacated - but if they can't tie it to the staff & vacate stuff, that's going to open up a bigger can of worms.

Side note.... what a strange phrase - "can of worms".

They need to end the whole AAU system. But, thats never going to happen.

I dont think any college program should be punished unless they knew about something improper. Or should have known based on common knowledge. Family is poor but they are driving an expensive car etc. but didn't ask where they got the money for the car. Even that, what would be the line that "you should have known"?

The whole system needs to be changed. These top shelf athletes have a valuable talent. Everything is stacked against them to monetize their talent until its been used by others for free until they are 19-20 years old at the earliest.

Parrish is an idiot. I hope no one else clicks on that link, and you should delete it so that puke doesn't get any more clicks.

Kevin Kietzman has had him on twice in two days. It's like Christmas for him. He's already speculating on the idea of Self being fired.

I don't listen to that show, but I bet he has wall to wall coverage of the greatest college basketball scandal since Josh Jackson kicked a car.

As hard as he tries to be indirect about it, KK can't hide his disdain for KU. I turned him off the other day when he started chastising Self for sitting in the stands and talking to Larry Brown. KK LOVES to bring up Larry Brown so he can use "KU" in the same sentences as "NCAA infraction" and "lack of institutional control." As a K-State alum (and official cheerleader), I'm pretty sure he suffers eternal butt hurt from KU's eternal domination over K-State in men's b-ball. In fact, I think his personal timeline shows that he was institutionalized at the Menninger Foundation in 1988, right after KU whooped the higher seeded Wildcats 71-58 in the Elite Eight. I'm sure that KU going on to win the National Championship that year didn't help the butt hurt/mental health of a then-young KK. (Would wager that a review of KK's on-air time will show that he has mentioned Larry Brown MORE than Roy Williams since Bill Self became the Coach. 30 years since Brown left KU. Oh the butt hurt... ) :)

:D

ROFL

The NCAA has already had teams vacate 20 National Championships in various sports including many big name schools...the list is very long of just Bball teams with vacated wins and conference standings...I think you are fooling yourself to the reality of what has actually happened.

I think you totally missed the point. :rolleyes:

Opening monologue and KK is at it again. Appears that he's disappointed that nobody else wants to crucify KU because of a crooked Adidas executive. The hate is strong. :shake: Might be time to hang out at 610 for awhile.

Charges involving Kansas, N.C. State make clear: The FBI is enforcing NCAA rules.
 

That show is KC's radio version of Fox News for people who hate KU. I gave it up after the JJ "scandal" and never went back.

I was saying this to my friend yesterday. Not to get DC in here, but if KK is Sean Hannity, then KU is his Clintons.

Why would you listen to that dumbass to begin with?

He never has any good takes, all the KU hate notwithstanding. He literally makes shit up and claims his "sources" misinformed him when the facts come out. He is the worst kind of a sports talk radio host. He has no journalistic integrity and is just overall lazy and uninteresting.

He wanted Mason Rudolph over Mahomes. That's all you need to know about him.

Mason who?

BTW, I wanted to point this out again for the slow MUrons commenting in here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas isn’t asserting it is a “victim,” the United States government is, specifically the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Are these issues really federal criminal issues? Many smart people think not. We shall see. <a href="https://t.co/GWx0ZiHieW">https://t.co/GWx0ZiHieW</a></p>&mdash; Jay Bilas (@JayBilas) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/984936712643194882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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pat forde is an absolute shit "writer"

100% tool who hates Kansas with all the passion his tiny Misery loving self can muster.

my guess is the dukes the Ku's the Carolina states etc etc know exactly what is going on but turn a blind eye to it. the marvin bagley situation is a perfect example of what has went on for years.

Doke declares for NBA draft. Won't hire agent.

Self looks pregnant

So, 3 hours to go...does Langford pick Indiana, Kansas, or Vandy...he wore "ruby" slippers last night to his banquet which might be nothing, OR it might mean he's narrowed it to Kansas or Indiana maybe? Dorothy's Kansas...or is it a message for there is "no place like home?"

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...02/#/questions

:hmmm:

Indiana. He's going to Indiana. Was going to go to KU before this FBI stuff, it appears.

Is that your hunch, or you have sources? My gut agrees, but I'm still holding out a bit of hope...

Why not, see if you get any bites. If not, try again next year.

Even if he doesn’t come and Doke leaves, we still have enough talent to make it to the final 4 again.

this makes sense from the Star article.


Speculation of recruiting writers is Indiana may be the choice, but that opinion has been fueled by the simple fact that Langford has invited the public to watch Monday’s commitment ceremony. Analysts have wondered why he would risk a negative reaction from fans in a packed gymnasium if the choice was a team other than Indiana.

It's Indiana. Officially

Romeo to IU. Just announced.

Damn. Beat me by a minute. :D

Indiana is to college basketball what Nebraska is to football. If the kid was turned off by what KU is going through why choose IU?

IU is the 2nd most valuable college basketball program in the country, behind only Kentucky. They get constant National tv coverage and have a huge, dedicated fan base. Plus, they’ve churned out lots of pros in recent years. Not to mention they’re one of the more historic programs in the country.

http://iuhoosiers.com/news/2018/4/2/...t-journal.aspx

Zenger has been fired.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...211582259.html

KU fires athletic director Sheahon Zenger: 'Progress in key areas has been elusive'

By Jesse Newell

jnewell@kcstar.com


May 21, 2018 10:31 AM

Updated 5 minutes ago

University of Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger has been fired after seven years with the department, KU chancellor Douglas Girod announced Monday morning.

In an email sent to KU faculty and staff, Girod credited Zenger for his loyalty before saying, "Athletics continues to face a number of challenges, and progress in key areas has been elusive. To achieve the level of success we need and expect, I have determined a change in leadership is necessary."

KU assistant athletic director Sean Lester will be interim AD, while Drue Jennings — who was interim AD in 2003 when KU hired basketball coach Bill Self — will lead the search committee.

Girod also said he spoke with KU football coach David Beaty earlier Monday and "shared my expectation that he will continue recruiting hard and getting his team ready for the season."

Zenger's biggest failure with KU was football. As a former football assistant coach, he was hired in 2011 to help revive the program, though his hiring of Charlie Weis set the team back scholarships-wise before Zenger chose David Beaty as his replacement. Through three seasons, Beaty has compiled a 3-33 record with just one FBS victory.

Among Zenger's greatest accomplishments, though, was improving the facilities outside football. That included construction of Rock Chalk Park, which houses track and field, softball, soccer and tennis. KU Athletics also constructed McCarthy Hall — a dorm used primarily for the men's basketball players — and the DeBruce Center, a building adjacent to Allen Fieldhouse that houses James Naismith's original rules of basketball.

Per a contract extension signed in summer 2017, Zenger would be owed two years' salary — or $1.4 million — for termination without cause.

So football?

At least I hope it’s football not impending doom from the FBI investigation

Dont know the answer but was Self happy with the guy? Could he be upset with his firing?

Very doubtful.

It’s about damn time they fired Zenger. He obviously had nothing to do with success of the basketball team, and the football team is arguably the worst in the nation.

Good riddance.

Self isn't dumb, people get fired when they can't do their job and his job was to get football on the winning track and it is definitely, inarguably, hilariously NOT on the right track.

Oh I agree. But, maybe the next guy wants to get involved in the basketball program? I'm sure Self would be like, thanks but I'll let you know if I need something. As long as that's the SOP between the AD and Self, I'm sure he doesn't care who the AD is currently.

They need to do something with the football program but I could care less about that if anything associated with that effort upsets Self.

Would be odd timing if it were related to the football program. Should of made that move many months ago.

Whut! Linki?

The FBI thing couldn't have helped his situation...but the athletic program has some other issues going on off the field...It hasn't been a story in KC yet, but has been in both Topeka and Wichita...hazing and department cover up in the cheerleading program. I know sounds like a joke, but may end up in a big $$$ lawsuit and possible criminal action. There are some Title IX issues being brought up currently, and of course the whole lack of football success. The big surprise was how sudden the move was.

Fall guy. Bill is fist pumping. Don't think he is a fan of Zenger anymore. Lets rehire Perkins and Magino.

I'd guess you get your AD up and running so he can make a call with a full staff and operational control come football season.

Though this could mean we're hit with a vacated final four and B12 title - allow me to say Thank GOD.

From my limited understanding, it seems to be a combination of backlash from fans about the football situation combined with athletic department ineptitude all around. Fans/boosters have been sending pleas to the Chancellor for months asking for Zenger to be fired, and when that didn't happen fans turned against the Chancellor as well. The cheerleader hazing story coming to light through K-State didn't help I'm sure.

It went beyond the major sports, KU's Volleyball program and Girl's B-Ball program had been rebuilt from the ground up, and to my knowledge, Zenger either directly led to those coaches leaving or let them jump ship. Both programs are now in complete disarray.

Dude was just in over his head from the beginning.

What am I missing.

I think we're all a bit nervous from the FBI news and hoping but the best but preparing for the worst on that front.

Zenger needed to be canned after last football season ended, so while I'm pumped for the news the timing does feel a bit odd.

Gotcha. I wasn’t following.

Zenger getting canned was probably linked to the FBI situation and the cheerleading/Title IX situation, but I believe it has to do more of the awful product of a football team they keep throwing out there, especially when they keep losing so much money.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...ion-from-2009/

It's completely about the football program and the need to improve that before we lose our place among the major conferences. The thing is a damn embarrassment and it's beyond me why nothing has been done about it before now.

I was surprised that KU didn't go for the athletics upgrades quickly when Mangino was still coaching for KU. That would had worked out well for them, because the team was winning, tickets were a hot commodity, and I believe had they done it during 2007-2009 seasons, the stadium wouldn't be in disrepair.

as long as any AD is hands off his program beyond fundraising l don’t see why Self would have a problem with any AD. There is no AD that would be stupid enough to come in and make changes to Self’s basketball or doing anything to make Self even mildly uncomfortable.

They tried. It fell apart after the Mangino situation.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/j...on-club-flops/

Lew Perkins sold off all your athletics equipment.

Yeah, looks like it's really just football related. While Zenger was bad at his job, the timing of the move isn't going to do a dumpster fire any favors.

Didn't KU have a chance at getting Harbaugh but hired Gil instead?

Yes it will, it will allow them to fire their shit head coach and hopefully find a young guy like Iowa State did. KU should be better then Iowa State when it comes to football. A 6-6 team sometimes winning 8-9 games is plenty doable at KU

Not realistically, no.

KC radio d-bag with agenda: "If you didn't live in the KC area, you'd have to think this is all about the FBI investigation, right? That's the perception nationally. It's going to be very tough for KU to hire an experienced AD with the FBI knocking on their door"

National guy: "This is long overdue with how much of a joke that football program has become. KU's AD hired Weis and Beatty (mispronounced). The guy should have been gone years ago, after just 1 of those hires, much less both."

Bechard left the volleyball team?

This is spot on. :clap:

Yep. Beaty had better show big improvement this season or he's gone.

Assuming you mean KK? We can always count on that guy. :rolleyes:

He’s such a dill weed. He’s laser focused on KU. Gets all his theories from his millionaire KSU alumni golfing buddies. Acting all disgusted by the cheerleading story when he is someone of very questionable morals.

Soren absolutely roasting the Journal World this morning was so enjoyable to listen to. They have a very weird agenda.

My bad, I should have said assistant. Laura Kuhn. The program hit unprecedented success with her as an assistant (beyond what Bechard had achieved flying solo) - and many in the program were hoping we'd have an AD with enough vision to keep her in the program.

???

The FBI is corrupt? Say it ain't so.
 

ROFL :shake:
https://247sports.com/college/kansas...case-118462529

Okay. I would have been shocked to have heard Bechard left. I am assuming KU is his last job, and that he will retire from that position rather than go somewhere else.

Last I heard Dok didn't hire an agent - when does he have to make a decision to go or come back?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now coach Self confirms as well that Doke is coming back.</p>&mdash; Gary Bedore (@GaryBedore) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1001877721176297481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This just in, Kansas is expected to be a really bad FT shooting team in 2019.

Different era. 10 years ago, he’s a lottery pick.