I was including training camp, which is what I think some of the Watkins detractors were also including.

I haven’t seen many negative reports on Watkins from TC.

I still think the Chiefs flip a pick or player for someone before the season starts.

I was looking at the 9ers depth chart last night. There's some DL there they may be inclined to deal.

Yeah idk that I have either, although I have felt there haven't been a lot of positive ones either besides the one-handed catches. Seems to be a lot more about the other WR's.

Again, my goal isn't to crap on Watkins here. I don't really have a view on him yet.

Fire Brett Veach!

Seriously though I cant wait to see Hitchens actually play. He, Berry, and Ragland will make the run defense look much better.

I don't give a shit if Berry plays at all in preseaso, save those reps for live bullets even if he starts a bit slow.

I hope the defensive additions help for sure.

I'm also worried that berry's heel is something that's always gonna be a problem.

Yea, I’m pretty confident that Veach makes a move or two like last year

I'm thinking so. Not sure where though.

Like I said, DL would be big and the 9ers have a few guys there. Ive also said previously i'd love to have Jimmy Ward, so maybe.

That’s fair. Seemed like Watkins started off with some good camp reports, but he’s been quiet since the hip injury.

I ****ing hope so. I've got my fingers crossed that we go after Darby.

I’ve been a Jimmy Ward fan since he came out and I wanted to pair him with Berry, so I’m with you there.

Arik Armstead is intriguing too.

Yeah, I dunno if they're ready to move on from those guys or what though Ward would be tough to get under our cap unless they cover some.
He's young though so that's nice.

Nkemdiche is another one that I thought about.

Yea I wonder if the Cards would be wiling to move him with the change of scheme on defense.

Darby....you ****ing bastards.

Darby would be fantastic, but I just find it hard to believe the Eagles are shopping him with one more cheap year on his deal. At worst he walks and they get a nice comp pick.

I’d be all over it though.

Comp picks aren't everything that they're cracked up to be. Yeah they could let Darby go expecting a comp pick but what if a free agent is in the pool that they didn't plan on? Now they lose that comp pick because they signed the other guy. Take the pick that you're guaranteed for a player that you don't have any plans on keeping.

This defense could be really good if Veach could add a decent CB and DL. Even just a good CB could be enough to make this unit potentially top 10.

I trust Nelson to be at least a solid #3 CB.

I am bullish on the LB corps and the Dline is one decent 3-4 end away from being a strong unit IMO.

Could you imagine if we had a guy like...idk...Marcus Peters to go with Fuller and Berry? Maybe even sign an Iloka or a Reid. Or drafted one of the numerous highly touted corners.

I wanted Talib.

Talib/Peters/Fuller/Berry?

LMAO

Oh what SHOULD'VE been.

Give me a nasty CB like Talib over Watkins any day. Tox nailed it.

We'd have a secondary that straight up punks opposing offenses. Snatchin' chains and smack talking. With actual GAME to back it up? Maaaaan......woulda been so fun to watch. A secondary with so much swag.

Instead we got Fuller and a bunch of wtf.

Yeah but then our flag wouldn't be respected
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The Eagles are all about comp picks.

I know, right? It would be pretty ****ing stupid for a team to trade a talented player for scraps when there's 1 more cheap year on his deal.

LMAO I know, right? Especially a game changing, pro bow caliber talent...
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And right on cue reports suggests Sammy has had his best week of practice and him and Mahomes are virtually married now HERE

So suck it haters :D

For a 1 year rental?

Yes, we understand that the Chiefs are in damage control mode. Hence the thread. Thanks.

Yeah, the world has clearly fallen in and there is no hope left for our Sammy ROFL

Mahomes has been running a very conservative checkdown offense.

If not for Tyreek's long 70 yard catch, we'd be saying the same about Tyreek too.

We need to just chill. The offense will open up game 1. Watkins will have tons of opportunity. Maybe he's a bust, but we won't know until the season actually starts.

Yup. Totally contrary to what we are seeing with our own eyes.

Don't care. Our defensive backfield is absolute trash and we spent 16 million annually on this dude. Moronic decision by Veach.

No we wouldn't.

No one is saying Watkins won't get some catches and some yards. It's a question of whether he's worth the contract, and whether he was the right decision. At this point, what has Watkins done that separates him from Conley and Robinson? I'm including camp.

Precautionary vanilla synch.

This is the kind of mentality Keitzmann has towards Mahomes and training camp INTs.

Sorry, but preseason is practice. Nothing more, nothing less. You can have good and bad practices, but that’s all this shit is.

Did people forget how the offense went anemic when Kelce left with a concussion? While some of the blame is on Smith and his rigid style of play...I think Veach saw after losing Conley and Kelce, that the team needed some insurance. What if Hill gets hurt and they have Mahomes in his first year, without a #1 WR?

KC hasnt used any game planning yet..you know, where you create specific mismatches? Watkins, Hill, Kelce and Hunt are going to be a handful...I'm reserving judgment until I see this in action and how it's intended.

People are going mental over the defense...yet Ragland, Hitchens and Berry haven't played yet. That's essentially the starting interior guts of the defense. I'm reserving judgment on that too... no team is going to look great with all 3 starters out.

I agree $16 mil for Watkins was a luxury expense to a degree...but Veach has wanted him probably since the draft...and is banking his career on Mahomes being successful.

Er why not look at their NFL RECORDS and maybe you'll see what actually separates them? He's the most proven receiver we have on our entire roster, FACT!!. So judging him on practice and meaningless preseason games is dumbness personified imo.

I'd also like to add that Pat needs to keep his end of the bargain aswell. If during the season Sammy runs his routes, get's open but doesn't get the ball then it won't be his fault.

The reason we had to pay that much was because Dallas and so other teams were pushing for him too. He was in a very strong position at that time.

ILBs won't help our subpar CBs not get raped by opposing WRs and having to play in Suttons godawful scheme.

Hitchens, Ragland and Berry won't matter much when the DL is getting blown off the LoS.

All i hear is sugar coating. People act like camp and preseason don't carry over. It does. Don't act all surprised when the Chiefs are still getting gashed on the ground and through the air. They warned you.

It's not difficult to see when a team is crisp, popping pads and flying. So far, this might be the worst pre-season Chiefs team i've seen since Reid's 1st year.

And depth matters. You can't sit here and say, "oh we're missing starters". So ****ing what. Those guys the Chiefs have been trotting out there WILL see playing time. No team finishes the year healthy.

There WILL come a point in which these scrubs will be counted on to win games.

Heh, old Bob is right to be out there trying to tamp down the hysteria IMO

If the guy can look good with Goff, he damn sure can look good with Mahomes... he has earned nothing but high praise for how well he is picking up the nuances of all three receiver positions

All of this gnashing of teeth is just as bad as 'Mahomes camp interceptions!'

Lets play three or four games... THEN start making some assumptions

This team is young and in a "re-load" mode.

They look the part. It's aight. Teams go through it.

Yeah "depth matters" so i guess you didn't see our defense NOT GIVE UP A SINGLE POINT in the second half against Atlanta right? ROFL

Well..I know game 1 against NE didn't look anything like preseason.

Expecting backup players to be great starters in preseason is asking a little too much, IMO. Especially, when they are all playing at the same time. Falcons have a pretty stacked starting offense too...

You guys want to get stressed out about it, fine. I'm not until I see the finished product in a real game.

Tyreek’s resume makes Watkins look very weak.

Besides,my opinion is based on regular season production. Nobody gives a shit about preseason.

So did anybody actually read this? Nobody cares? Just Baghdad Bob bullshit from the Chiefs?

Like... actually read what Bienemy has to say. I have no clue if this is an uncommon thing to expect out of a WR in his first offseason with the team, but still. Lighten the **** up.

Preseason, guys. You're upset Watkins hasn't taken control of the offense from Day 1, but it's not Day 1 yet. It's still pre-Day 1. Preseason.

If he still looks like shit past Day 1, then we'll talk.

Depressing thread with too much negativity.

Sammy sucks, the secondary is absolute Trash, Houston sucks, Berry sucks, Bob Sutton sucks, the O line sucks, Run Defense sucks, Veach is a Moron!!!

Battered Fan Syndrome for sure!

How? I love Tyreek and think he can be an all-time great in this game, but right now simply as a receiver, Sammy is much more proven and that's not even a debate imo. Tyreek is just hitting his stride, Sammy has already pretty much two one thousand yard seasons (982 and 1047) in his first two years whilst Tyrod Taylor was throwing to him.

Not worried at all. Mahomes makes scrubs like Albert Wilson look like starters.

If Watkins is open, he'll find him.

One is taking pennies of cap space while the other is prison raping it.

More than any other preseason in recent memory, ive noticed how people are freaking out and over reacting. He's learning a new offense, hurt his hip and has been good in practices. He's only had 3 targets - chill out! Some of the reactionary calls here are nuts.

I am unless a couple of "youngins" step up from the depth chart and play amazingly. Remember to that we have very little pass rush which makes our 2ndary even more vulnerable.:rolleyes:

Assuming he gets time to throw.:shrug:

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Absolutely

Maybe should have spent the $16m on building the offensive line or defense.

Our pass rush will be fine if we stay healthy.

Sacks aren't something you generate in the preseason.

Watkins has been a big zero and Berry has done nothing since 11 August. He's just damaged and we can thank Dorsey for his dumbass back loaded contract.

Who has mentioned the preseason in their argument against Watkins?

I’m not seeing much.

Keep in mind those guys won't be trying to stop a team's second and third stringers next time.

Pretty crazy to see the contracts going to guys now. Raising the cap is raising everything.

Gonna blow people away to see what kind of contract see ford will get this offseason if he has a healthy season

Go get 8+ sacks so we can get that comp pick!

You can thank Clark Hunt for that contract.

LMAO


Great balls for everyone!

If only he had said great balls of fire would that line be funnier.

I bet they end up tagging him

It would depend upon the development of Kpassagnon and Speaks.

Still not seeing it on the field.

Yeah ... and Mr. Rain Man actually reads poetry ...

FAX THE SOMEWHAT SCEPTICAL

Watkins will be fine, but if not for him giving up on his route Mahomes has another TD pass. They just have to keep working.

Shit signing

I'll say it again, he will never be worth that contract and even in the one in a million chance he did, he won't be on this roster by the time they are Super Bowl contenders...

Patomic made Albert Wilson look like Golden Tate, man.

Sammy Watkins is about to blow up.

It was implied. The only reason it was sorta funny to begin with

Super Bowl contenders? Sounds like you have expectations my man?

I wouldn’t do that with the Chiefs. Not with this coaching regime and shitty ownership.

Not to create some sort of irrepressible firestorm of controversy, but when they said "starting to sync", maybe the reporter misinterpreted the statement. It could have been "starting to sink".

That would explain a lot.

FAX THE CONCERNED ABOUT POSSIBLE HOMONYMS

So this is the nickname you are going with?

I was beating this drum months ago

Remember how hard it is for receivers to learn Reid's offense.

It's the best one so far.

If Mahomes would have floated that deep ball a bit more yesterday we'd all be feeling a lot better about this situation.

Count me in the not worried camp.

Whatkins makes a good decoy so we can have more options to get Hill the ball in space.



I thought Whatkins dogged it but it was only preseason we'll see what makes of him.