Gregg Williams isn't coaching in Kansas City. His family is here and he doesn't want them taking a bunch of shit.

Defensive points allowed is low because they had a ball control offense that limited possessions.

Marvin when he gets shit canned from CIN or Rex.

You'd think that people would eventually learn that coordinators can only **** things up (Gunther, Solari) but can't fix things. If you're looking for a DC that can fix things, then you're on a fool's errand. What you need is a DC that just doesn't **** things up. Find better players, teach them proper technique, and make adjustments if someone is getting repeatedly burned. If it was really about knowledge, Belichick would have better defenses.

Twice now I've seen Rex floated as a replacement for Sutton.. and all I can think of is the "Spiderman fingerpoints Spiderman" meme.

He does do a great job of stopping Detroit's offense...

FYP brother...he's 67. He should be enjoying his grandkids on Sundays. :)

That makes sense to me. And a young man at 61. :D Chicago is currently the #3 defense in total yards allowed. #9 in passing yds allowed. #2 in rushing yds allowed. I'm sure there are other defensive coaches on the Bears that would prove to be an upgrade at DC over Sutton as well.

Ed Donatell is in his fourth season as the Bears defensive backs coach after being hired by the team on January 21, 2015. He has 39 years coaching experience, including 27 in the NFL.

In 2017, Donatell's secondary ranked seventh in the league in fewest net passing yards allowed while the defense finished 11th in fewest yards per play (5.1). Under Donatell's tutelage, rookie Eddie Jackson finished the season tied for the team lead in interceptions (2), returning one for a touchdown and led the team in fumble recoveries (3), returning one for a score. Additionally, veteran cornerback Kyle Fuller had a breakout season, ranking second in the NFL in passes defensed (22) and ninth in terms of total tackles among cornerbacks (68). Collectively, the secondary helped aid a Bears defense which allowed the fourth-fewest plays of 25+ yards in the NFL (22), tied-seventh in sacks (42) and finished tied-ninth in interception return yards (253).

Prior to joining the Bears, Donatell spent four seasons (2011-14) as the secondary coach for the San Francisco 49ers. During that time, Donatell's secondary was a part of a 49ers defense that ranked second in the NFL in scoring defense (17.4 points per game) and opponent passer rating (76.8), tied for second in interceptions (78), third in total defense (310.2 yards per game) and sixth in pass defense (218.2 ypg).

Four players from San Francisco's secondary were named to a total of six Pro Bowls under Donatell's guidance: S Dashon Goldson (2011-12), CB Carlos Rogers (2011), S Eric Reid (2013) and S Donte Whitner (2011-12). In addition, Goldson, earned first-team All-Pro honors by the Associated Press in 2012 and Rogers was named a second-team All-Pro by the AP in 2011.

Prior to his time in San Francisco, Donatell was the secondary coach of the Denver Broncos for two seasons (2009-10), his second coaching stint with the club. During his time in Denver, the Broncos were ninth in the NFL in passing defense allowing 211.3 yards per game.

Donatell was the defensive coordinator at the University of Washington in 2008 and served as a special assistant for the New York Jets in 2007.

From 2000-06, Donatell served as an NFL defensive coordinator for two teams: Green Bay (2000-03) and Atlanta (2004-06). During his three seasons in Atlanta, the Falcons defense was tied for seventh in the NFL with 122 sacks and eighth in third-down defense (217-of-599, 36.2 percent). In 2004 the Falcons paced the league with 48 sacks, the first time leading the NFL in that category, while advancing to the NFC Championship game. In 2005, the Falcons led the NFL in third-down defense (58-of-192, 30.2 percent). In 2006, they ranked sixth in the league in yards per carry allowed (3.75) and ninth in rushing defense (103.6 ypg).

During Donatell's four seasons as Green Bay's defensive coordinator, the Packers were third in the NFL with 144 takeaways, including pacing the league with 116 takeaways from 2001 to 2003. In 2002, the Packers defense set a Green Bay record with 52 sacks (which still stands) and led the NFL with 45 takeaways, sixth-most in franchise history.

In Donatell's first stint with the Broncos he held the role of defensive backs coach from 1995-99. During that time, the Broncos were seventh in the NFL in passing defense (199.6 ypg) and yards per attempts (6.47). Denver won back-to-back Super Bowl titles during that time (XXXII following the 1997 season and XXXIII following the 1998 season). The Broncos ranked in the top 10 in pass defense in four of his five seasons overseeing the defensive backs (ninth in 1995, tenth in 1996, fifth in 1997 and eighth in 1999).

Donatell got his NFL coaching start as the defensive backs coach with the New York Jets from 1990-94.

From 1979-89, Donatell operated in the collegiate coaching ranks, holding the role of defensive backs coach with Cal State Fullerton (1989), the University of Idaho (1986-88) and the University of Pacific (1983-85) after working as a graduate assistant at the University of Washington (1981-82) and Kent State (1979-80).

An all-conference defensive back, team captain and four-year letter winner at Glenville State (W.Va.) University, Donatell received a bachelor's degree in physical education in 1979. He went on to earn a master's degree in administration from Kent State in 1981.

A native of Stow, Ohio, Donatell and his wife Shari, have three children, Brenna, Tommy and Stevie.

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Damn right. 88-0. Conversation over.

Who cares who anybody wants. Keep with Sutton, or get ready for DC Brit Reid.

(Pukes in own mouth)

Wtf? Are you just throwing shot at the wall? What has Vance ****ing Joseph ever done to make you think he’d be a good candidate for DC?? Please, no more nominations from you ok?? I can’t even look at the rest of your list because you put his name on there.

I can't name anyone and say with authority that they'd be a great DC, but I don't think we need a great DC. We need a competent one.

We don't need a great defense, we just need an average one.

810 caller: TMZ needs to find a tape of Bob Sutton.

ROFL

Can one of you guys just take one for the team and kill Sutton? Please? Pretty please with sugar on top?

No shit. He wasn't good in Miami. But I looked at his list and I'd welcome Todd Bowels with open arms.

There's a lot of truth to this.

For the second or third time in my 12+ years here, I'm with chiefzilla

Go get that Vic Fangio understudy in Chicago

My short list:
Leslie Frazier (Bills)
Kris Richard (Cowboys)
Jerry Olsavsky (Steelers)

That's really a darn good idea.

I'd be cool with that

If Clark Hunt cared at all about the Chiefs ever winning a SB under his watch, he'd tell Reid to make a change at DC in the offseason.

We've seen this movie before, and we know how it ends (2003). Much like DV, Reid is extremely loyal and stands by his coordinators. Reid delegates the entire defensive side of the ball to Sutton. When the defense is out on the field, Reid in many cases is on the bench going over the offense w/ Mahomes.

King Carl forced DV's hand on the firing of GRob. DV didn't have the courage to do it on his own, because GRob should have been fired a season prior, and it probably cost DV a Super Bowl w/ the Chiefs. If Reid doesn't fire Sutton in the offseason it may cost him one as well. He's the longest tenured DC (on their current team) in the league, has shown minimal results, and the defense (and talent) seems to be getting worse and worse each year. I mean this team needs help on defense everywhere. The Chiefs literally have do BDPA all throughout the draft next yr. Secondary big time.

You can't have the worst defense in the NFL and keep your job. It's that simple. Time to move on. Almost wish they'd change to a 43 and draft some hybrid LB's that can fly, because that's what the league is changing to. Dunno how current personnel would fit.

The one thing I wonder about is Is Reid prepared to bring in someone he hasn't had a previous relationship with? He did it at Philly by all accounts as he hired Jim Johnson and gave him full power over the defense which helped him reach five NFC championship games.

But anyway, If Andy is inclined to stick with guys he's worked with before, then this is pretty much the list.

Todd Bowles
Leslie Frazier
Steve Spagnuolo

I don't add in Ron Rivera, John Harbaugh or Sean McDermott because I fully expect them to retain their jobs with their respective teams.

I want him to get someone who not only has a record of improving players with their coaching, but is also intelligent where the "X's and O's" are concerned come game day. The guy I'm very intrigued about though is Kris Richard. He was with the "Legion of boom" in Seattle and now he's part of the staff with Dallas. Good things seem to happen when that man is involved.

Richard is in Dallas. Not available

But not as DC.

He would most certainly be interested in a raise to DC on a team like KC, who is realistically a player or two away from a change to the 4-3 anyway...

I think Reid will fire Sutton for this reason: Reid wants a Super Bowl and knows Mahomes gives him a window. I think we will see Sutton "retire" because Reid will not let this stand in his way. Also, I think Veach will weigh in to move on. It's more difficult to evaluate talent/Veach when the entire defensive staff sucks so bad no one wants to hire them away. It's clear. Sutton and his staff stand in the way of a Mahomes era. Oh, and Clark Hunt will make his opinion known, too. Hunt/Reid/Mahomes can generate billions of dollars. Sutton won't be allowed to screw that up.

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

They already DO generate billions of dollars.

Lots of supposition in your post.

Not sure of Ford in a 4-3.

Someone who can communicate with his DB’s on who to guard would be nice.

He's not their defensive coordinator though, Rod Marinelli is.

It's also interesting to note the ages and experiences of some of the best DC's around right now.

Rod Marinelli= 69 and a former head coach.

Wade Phillips= 71 and a former head coach

Don Martindale= 55

Vic Fangio= 60

Todd Wash= 50

Gus Bradley= 52 and a former head coach

Leslie Frazier= 59 and a former head coach

Etc etc. So the vast majority are veteran guys and most have head coaching experience. I must say, Rex Ryan would probably fit the profile hands down tbh :D

I'm fine with that. Ragland is the only player I can think of that would not work with a 4-3 and he's been awful and we can cut him with no penalty

Can't see it happening. The Chiefs are actively moving away from the scheme Ryan built. Mario Williams was furious about being asked to play 5 technique. We seem more interested in our guys playing 1 gap. I'll pass on Rex. His scheme has to be outstanding to be worth the headache.

I wasn't sure of Ford in a 3-4 until this year.

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

Ewww


I doubt Ryan leaves ESPN anyway

Agree. He's got his foot in the door over there now and probably doesn't want to step on their toes.

Ryan ran a scheme with two 5 techniques and a 0 technique. Dorsey has talked about how year 2, Sutton adjusted his scheme to get more speed on the DL(signed Vance walker). Suttons original scheme wasn't one gap. Remember... Mike Devito.

Read up on Mario Williams complaints about how he was used in Buffalo. Definitely two gap.

As much as I like the 3-4 (more LBs, more better), I think we have to go with a 4-3. I agree with both Rabblerouser and IL that it wouldn't be that hard to switch. I haven't watched enough of other teams to make a wise choice on who would be a good DC, but then again, a bag of rocks is better than Sutton. I'm tired of seeing a 5 yard run up the middle as a victory for the D.

Someone lacking the first name Bob and absent of the last name Sutton. What do i win?

That's what's intriguing about Fangio's scheme. He runs a 4-3 under with 3-4 personnel. Our players are a nice fit. Nnadi at the 0-tech, Jones as a 3-tech, Bailey as a 5-tech. Not sure about Hitchens, but O'Daniel is a perfect fit at LB. Best of all, it revolves around OLBs which happens to be our strength.

If I'm reading into Reid's comments this offseason, he doesn't want a 4-3 because he likes speed at OLB. This is a scheme that allows Reid to still keep that without... y'know... settling for Bob Sutton.

4-3 OLBs are generally faster than 3-4 OLBs

Uh yea if you were going for straight out speed you'd be in a 4-3 cause your OLB's can be smaller and faster since they don't take on OT's.

I'm talking OLB vs. a 4-3 DE. He wants his outside linemen to have versatility.

I'm not sure it makes sense to use that argument when he has DC that won't not play nickel 80% of the time even against heavy run teams with big personnel.

I don't defend the defense. Just stating that Reid wants to stay in a 3-4. Unless he's sending smoke signals to protect his guy.

We need talent and right now we are very limited. Depending on who is on AR's radar they will want certain type players and will that go over with AR and BV and that will be the deciding factor on who they choose IMHO. McDermott makes sense as far as a relational perspective BUT......

Too bad Greg Williams wouldn’t be a candidate. Love the defensive aggressiveness to close the game.

Andy doesn't fire people when he ought to well should. It is one of his weaknesses as a coach.

Locksley from Alabama

we will have sutton as long as we have andy.



the end.

I'm hoping that's not the case. Seriously, there comes a time when loyalty to your staff becomes secondary to what's best for the team. If we have another meltdown, surely Andy will see that. I think BS will "retire" after that, Andy will give an emotional speech and Clark will thank him for his service.

Yeah I can see this happening. Credibility and accountability are important especially for this management that has yet to reach the AFCCG, they have zero benefit of doubt.

Ben Bloom, Cowboys LB coach. It's time to get some youth and innovation in over on that side of the ball; old guys are rarely innovators. Let's get some new blood in there.

I think you'd have to let Ford walk. He's a good player, but I'm not opposed to it. He's one dimensional and often injured.

I would literally offer triple whatever a guy like Fangio or Martindale makes to bring him in. Give him the DC-asst HC title. Sell him on a 2-year window of dominating the AFC and then getting a blank check for a HC job in whatever city he wants in 2021.

why would either guy leave the situation they're in to do that?

Mohillbilly.

We were at that point last year. I honestly don't see a scenario where he doesn't get whacked, especially if we go one-and-out in the playoffs as most of think we will.

Would you turn down a 3x pay-rise to do the same job elsewhere?

Is Alabama's defense great because of coaching, or because they get the absolute top pick of the best recruits year after year after year?

I'd rather have somebody who's done more with less, not a who wins all the time because he has far more to work with than all of his opponents.

1. Brandon Staley
2. Kris Richards
3. Ben Bloom
4. Todd Bowles

That's who I bring in to interview for DC next year.

Well, Bob Sutton was RR's DC in NY, so maybe Bob ran the 2gap under Ryan - either way, there's 2 things wrong with either one - both Ryan and Sutton depend on aggressive secondary play - the rules don't favor that now, and it's not like we have an 'in his prime Revis Island' to cut the field in half, neither, which allows all kinds of creative zone and man coverages and blitzes from all over the defense.

The real problem, besides Scandricks stupidity, is that Nelson, Fuller , and Scandrick are all slot corners. Fuller might be the best slot corner in the league. A waste of his talent to as him to cover outside, which may be why Sutton has been having Nelson cover outside so much lately. He should have Lucas playing 1 high and also rolling safety coverage to the outside to help the outside corner and allow Fuller to stay on the slot fulltime, where he excels.

*sigh*

It's Sutton, Emmitt Thomas, and Scandrick.

I should be Defense QC coach.

Sutton has to be close to retiring, and the picks in this year's draft point to preparing for a 4-3 next year...

With Hitchens under a (very large) contract and O'Daniel flashing (with admitted rookie mistakes, but at least doesn't look physically overmatched, is a good tackler and sideline to sideline pursuit speed) You're one LB away from a nice trio.

Kpass and Speaks are sized like 4-3 DE. Ford, Nnadi, Williams at DT. Houston at DE on passing downs could save him some time on the injured list. I like the rotational aspect and maybe have guys fresh for those 4th quarter stands.

Can you imagine: 3rd and Long, Houston and Ford lined up next to each other weakside. Good luck.

Interesting to see some past quotes from Todd Bowles about Andy

Link

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Go on Andy, bring your pal to the Chiefs :D

Also, where does Steve Wilks fit on the list IF he is available? Would he be a clear-cut top contender?

Felt like this was an appropriate bump.

John Fox has been rumored to be a DC candidate for the Bengals, so maybe he wants to return to the NFL as a DC.

Fox and Andy Reid are good friends and it would be the perfectly boring/safe hire that Andy Reid is probably looking for.

Adam Zimmer

Shit. I googled Todd and Chiefs and there are opinion pieces going back over a month calling him as our next DC.

Random video link here

1. Brent Venables
2. Kris Richard
3. Rex Ryan

My concern about Brett Venables is the fact he's never coached in the NFL.

Kris Richard is #1 on my list.

I'm pulling for the dark horse Tony Romo hard.

If we are gonna just randomly name former players with no coaching expierence how about 5 head. He can read defenses in his sleep and could double as a qb coach.

Peyton for DC OC HC GM and Owner.

Whoever it is needs to be a proven commodity. Andy concentrates on offense. He can't help a DC. Get some damn experience that can game plan.

Wrong

Our next Defensive Coordinator - who do you want?
 

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