Personally I think Chris Jones could play the run if the coaching staff would get in his ass about it.

How many snaps are the chiefs actually in a 34 set?

That's my point. If Chris Jones is a complementary player and expendable then Aaron Donald is too.

Dude got a penalty that snatched defeat away from the jaws of victory. But the fact is, we aren't even playing in that game if it wasn't for Ford this season.

The current defensive coaching staff has made remarks about not emphasizing stopping the run

I think that’s a big part of the problem

I wouldn't say expendable, but I might say he isn't worth the $ he will demand.

It all depends on how the team is built. We have other pass rushers so do you need to pay a DL $20MM to rush the passer?

Rams don't have any real outside pass rushers so they can deal with it. You don't pay 2 OLB and a DL to do the same thing. We drafted Speaks to rush the passer, he is either Ford or Houstons replacement.

We have 2 guys who can rush the passer and not defend the run, and another guy who can do both, Houston. I say keep Ford and get another run stuffing DL.

I’ve mentioned that before about both Jones and Ford.

They need someone to legit push them.

Its why they’ve lost the last 3 playoff games.

Steelers, Patriots rammed it down our throats and sustained long drives that dictated the tempo of the game in their favor and beat us. How the **** is this problem ongoing and not fixed throughout the years? Its such a ****ing shame.

When was the last time the Chiefs had a good run defense? 20, 25 years ago?

Where is Todd Haley when you need him.

Always take the dl passrusher. Shorter distance to the qb, harder to defend

Yep, pretty much

There are going to be many that want to play in KC now. Best move is to open as much bank as you can and don’t shoot yourself in the foot on payday

It’s the scheme.
Listen to Tom Brady before the game.

He’s playing chess and Sutton is playing checkers.

Dwight Freeney is not the kind of guy you want to be paying premium money to. Freeney was one of the main reasons why the Colts defense was as bad as it was for the entirety of Manning's tenure. If teams weren't down by two scores, the easiest way to move the ball was to run right at Freeney, because he'd almost constantly take himself right out of the play.

As Mecca alluded to, that's the problem with guys like Jones and Ford. They do one thing really well, but balanced teams will punish them for their inability to play the run. Sometimes it's not about the one sack you pick up, but the multiple times you fit in your run assignment and turn an eight yard gain into a two yard gain.

If Ford was a baseball player he'd be Adam Dunn--he's great when the homers are coming, but if they aren't he offers nothing else to the team.

That's why you have situational players. Ford is a situational pass rusher. If you put him on the field in passing situations only he's an asset. That's also why you don't pay him. Let another team make that mistake.

Jones should probably be a strongside DE in early downs and shift inside in a four man front in passing downs.

At some point you can’t just count on having to scheme guys into sacks though and you need someone who can get it themselves

I’m not sure what they’ll do here

I can see that. You could make the case though that with this offense you’re going to have teams playing catch up and throwing it a lot and you’ll need pass rushers.

I think it would probably make more sense to let someone else pay ford and take that money to get 2 or 3 mid level guys.

Try and build as much good depth on d

You do need pass rushers, but you shouldn't pay a one-dimensional pass rusher with durability concerns elite money. That's why it's so important to draft well. You don't have to draft a Justin Houston every other year, but if someone like K-Pass wasn't a bucket of pig shit then there's no need to pay Ford at all because you'd have his replacement for 10% of his cap hit. The Patriots are who they are in part because they never overpay for guys like Dee Ford. They wouldn't even pay Chandler Jones (which was, arguably, a mistake), who is much better than Dee Ford.

This is where it pays to have a defensive developer that can scheme up and develop some of that.

While I do agree,

I just wanna say, I’ll bet if Dee Ford was on the Pats last night and lined up off sides like that; Belicheck would’ve been like **** you, you’re out the door! The Chiefs are more like “yeah we’ll consider signing you.” Thats the difference between the Patriots and the Chiefs.

Consider it this way:

Would you rather have

A) A great speed rusher who can't defend the run at all

or

B) An excellent defensive back

The premium placed on pass rushers actually makes a Dee Ford-type player overvalued in this instance. He'll get paid like a great player because of the sack numbers, but those don't tell the whole story of who he is.

They pulled Ford last night and put in Speaks to defend the run. IMO if you are going to pay a OLB $16 million he better do it all and not come off the field.

That’s for sure

It seems defense is trending even more now than ever before into the fact that you have to have at the very least adequate nfl starters everywhere.

Well coached fundamental and what not but when I look at the best defenses around the league, they have a whole slew of good players and not the 3 great and 8 not

Something about paying guys on the 31st ranked D a lot of money...

I dunno. And you certainly don't make any kind of decision until you've hired the new DC and get his input.

Depends on what you mean by develop. If you could just develop top tier pass rushers the Patriots wouldn't have gone a decade without developing one. I do think you can develop a lot of those Rob Ninkovich type guys that are always in the right spot and don't make mental mistakes or blow their assignment.

That’s what I mean.

It’s not going to happen where you develop Khalil Mack but they need a lot of fundamental guys

I dunno how they’re going to make the defense much better very quick with just draft picks thoigh

totally agree

They can't. They'll also need to augment via FA. However, given that they had a team that could have gone to the SB this year, don't you wish they would have just given Seattle the 2nd rounder from the Peters trade they wanted for Thomas before he got hurt?

Stick him on Gronk's bitch ass and all those catches in the 4th Q and OT play out a lot differently.

With that said, Veach's first draft class does not inspire a ton of hope in his ability to identify talent, and Dorsey couldn't find any defensive talent that didn't have a major liability attached to it (Ford, Peters) either, which is why the Chiefs D is in the situation it is.

That’s what I’m thinking too.

Yeah the Earl Thomas thing was just damn bad luck. I’m guessing they end up signing him this offseason though I dunno if that’s smart or not.

I don’t think they need a big fish free agent but it wouldn’t hurt if they could draft or trade for one

I don't know. Thomas's leg broke with very little to no contact and it was reported that because he didn't have a steel rod put in his leg that it would most likely break again. To me it looks like we probably dodged a bullet in signing another player who was going to end up on IR.

Just say **** it and move to a 4-3. It allows you to have four down linemen that works in your base package as well as the nickel and dime.

Cut this position switching shit and put KPass and Speaks as down linemen. Tag and trade Ford. Houston can take a pay cut or be gone.

This team needs a ****ing enema on that side of the ball.

I want a Gregg Williams type of DC

ROFL

Tag and try to trade.

I would to prefer to pay defensive players that oh I don't know.....DON'T COMMIT AN OFFSIDES PENALTY THAT COST US OUR FIRST SB APPEARANCE IN 50 YEARS! Let him walk. He's a mental weakling and a thrid down guy at best.

Difference between championship teams and the teams that feel good about regular season wins.

All I know is we have to get stronger at stopping the run. The Patriots took our 1 strength on D and negated it by running and quick passes. I guess you could franchise him but I don’t know how you fix this dumpster fire of a D in 1 offseason.

He can be a brokedick dumbass for another team. **** him.

Nobody with an expiring contract or a low enough cap number on the defense should be back. When you are dead last in the league in most categories, you aren't going to lose anything by going with the young players. Inconsistent or injury prone edge rushers aren't worth the investment today.

We saw on Sunday, you need push from your line in today's NFL, you need to generate push up the middle to stop passing offenses today that distribute the ball quickly. You need more guys back to defend against the single back and extra WR sets teams are playing. You need LBs to cover RBs and cover the flat. Blitzing OLBs are fading in the league, you need inside rushers.

Hell yeah. We already Suffer Haglund, we don't need a guy who doesn't know when to dress in his jammies and stay somewhere that won't draw a flag...

Any aging defensive end can be a one dimensional pass rusher.

Or you can find one in the 2nd to 4th round.

We don't need to overpay a guy who largely did nothing his first 3 years in the league and still isn't good vs. the run.

We tried, it didn't work out, don't overpay a replaceable guy and make it worse...

Oooh. Me likey.

Which part didn’t you like?

Not sorry if Q. Andy appears to think the officials didn't do us "normal"..

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/andy-re...045122729.html

That's how I feel. If this guy wants "market value"? Enjoy your new team.

Would love to see Dee Ford in a Redskins Jersey. Preston Smith looked like garbage for most of the season.

Chiefs fans need to remember Daniel Murphy and the Mets. The jilted Mets front office let him go for an error in the WS and he went on to dominate them --regularly -- and put up huge numbers for the Nat's.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/n...-ford/page369/


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Looks like Reid dumped him at just the right time, similar to Donovan McNabb and Alex Smith.

He is what I thought he was...

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And we let em off the hook.You wanna crown em.... then crown em.