Never had that issue myself.
It's very draining. The work I do you have to have all your wits about you. I was soooo tired of the pain every day. Unless you have been there, its hard to explain. You cant escape chronic pain. It's always there. If my doctor had cut me off, I would have went to the street.

I had scatica. I've talked to the Dr. about what do poor people or have no access to medicine do about the pain? They have the same anatomy. Their nerve is getting pinched too. He said, a lot do street drugs or drink liters of alcohol. If I went to jail and couldn't have got the Oxy, I probably wouldn't have went to jail.

Saw the recent news that people were saying Oxy wasn't effective for chronic pain. No, its not a cure. But, it allows you to survive and live life the best you can until whatever issue caused the chronic pain is mitigated. I emerged on the other side, I'm sure there are others with similar experiences.

Why is it stupid? My argument is they are abused because so many people have undiagnosed chronic pain - not because of any euphoric feeling you get. I get why you would take Cocaine. Why you would take Meth. I don't understand why you would take hydrocodone unless you were hurting.

Because like most drugs, different people are affected in different ways by the same drug.

If you knew anything at all about what you're talking about you would know that it is that euphoric feeling that people are looking for in opiates when they are addicted to them.

Opioids (and opiates) absolutely do produce a feeling of euphoria. People tend to associate euphoria with excitement but in more general terms, euphorics produce an overwhelming feeling of satiation or happiness, unrelated to whether they are stimulants or depressants.

In fact, many people only experience euphoria with the high of a stimulant or the low of an opiate but not both. As a former drug addict that now works with drug addicts, I can tell you that most people either like uppers or downers but not both. People that like both are pretty rare.

By the way, I know a lot of people that struggle with either opioids, heroin, or both. They are quite prevalent around here. And I've never indulged once. If I get a script, they almost always go unused. As soon as the pain is gone, I don't want them anymore.

But Adderall? Give me a month supply and it will be gone in a week. Everybody is different.

How many times have you done opiates?

You have to be trolling with that shit. You think the reason opiates are so popular because a bunch of people have undiagnosed pain? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. How would you ever come to that conclusion?

If you don't have any drug interactions (like say, taking an ACE inhibitor or ARB for blood pressure, or are on a blood thinner) and have good renal function, the actual max is 2400mg

There's a chance you could be an ultra-rapid metabolizer of CYP 2D6. Codeine is a prodrug that is in converted to morphine. A small subset of the population has more of those specific enzymes than others. If so, a "normal" dose of codeine can actually be much higher for the person in question.

This is why codeine is not given to children anymore.

Math seems off here

I've taken some opioids many times after surgeries. I don't get any euphoric feeling. I get tired, woozy and receive less pain. That is all.

Well I absolutely love to drink. Makes things really fun. I just don't do it very often. That is a downer.

I can definitely see why people would love adderall, and love that shit too. Cocaine is a little weird, but I can see the appeal. Both are uppers.

Weed makes me feel like complete shit. Really tired and not want to do anything. Just want to sit and stare at nothing at all. Not enjoyable to me, but at least I guess you are relaxed? Some people like to be relaxed.

Hydrocodone just made me not feel good, woozy and tired. No sense of any high at all.

I guess things effect me differently, or I have a different view of euphoria.

Because of my experience using them. That is the only thing I can come up with because too me the only enjoyment in using them is they reduce pain.

Yeah, but are you eating them like some sort of Sally or doming that shit like God intended?

ROFL good point. I guess if I took way more than I was supposed to I'd feel like I'd just sleep for seven days.

Ever taken them when you weren't in pain? I know I got some when I got my wisdom teeth taken out and didn't have any euphoria. Popped a 10 mg oxy before I went fishing and can understand how they are addictive as hell.

I get no more pain relief from oxy or hydrocodone than I do a couple of Advil.

Only painkillers I can recall getting a strong pain relief from is fentanyl.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Can't wait until I can buy 500 oxys in a bottle at Costco for $7 since they're essentially ibuprofen.

Your and idiot. Do you not understand that different drugs effect people differently? My body processes pain killers way too effectively. I have had more than one surgeries that was just a local and they had to give me significantly more to prevent pain than they normally administer.

So go **** yourself.

Local anesthetics work by blocking nerve transmission and bypass first pass metabolism. How your body processes painkillers has no bearing on how a local affects you.

down to 2-3 pills a day. If I just sat in my recliner all day would just 1.

1 week under my belt and better each day:)

BTW crutches suck.

How long are you on crutches? I broke my ankle at 13 and was on them 4-6 weeks. They definitely suck the more active you are... I remember my armpits being on fire after walking around school all day (San Diego. Outdoor school)

I can honestly say the same thing.

Pablo and Hamas say we are full of shit so we must be wrong. :-)

When I had my Achilles repaired my Doc was amazed I had not only used one of my oxy’s and Din not want/need a refill. Only reason I even used that one was because when I woke up at 3am when the nerve block wore off it was on the table within reach.

Crutches suck. Get a knee scooter if you are going out. You may look stupid, but crutches suck. Taught 6-8 weeks on one.
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Insurance will pay for it.

I was not referring to how opiates affected you at all. Go back and read my post again before throwing shade.

Back in the 80s and 90s they used to give that shit out like candy. It was like a reward for going to the doctor.

I remember being like 10 and and I was having a little allergy issue, nothing big, like a scratch in my throat. My mom goes "sounds like you need some cough syrup" and called the HMO up "yes, my son is in need of an expectorant, yeah...something with Codeine...thanks."

And she went picked up this GIANT bottle of syzzurp. Without me ever seeing or even talking to the doctor. Huge. Tall boy. And I'm like, "why is my mom drinking my cough syrup?"

About an hour later and a couple decent swigs of my own, I was cleaning my room and listening to Led Zeppelin I on cassette (remember those?) and all the sudden, this overwhelming urge to lay down came over me...and as I was laying in bed, listening to Zep and staring at the posters of GNR, Mötley Crüe, and The Black Crowes on my wall (pre-grunge era), I realized exactly why my mom was drinking my cough syrup - because it was DELICIOUS.

I only took Opioids once about 5 years ago just before I when to bed. I spent the next four hours with major hiccups.

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Crazy coincident this thread. Just last Monday my Little Sister who is 53 years old got frisky and went to do a cheerleader jump and when she landed she broke both ankles. :shake: She has surgery on Tuesday but I'm sure she's on the meds. God bless her dumbass!

She single?

LOL …..run!

Why? She sure can't ROFL

ROFL

My kid broke both wrists a few weeks back. One was an open fracture requiring stitches. The other needed pins. He was off the Oxy in 2 days and down to ibuprofen. We are still giving him CBD at night but no other pain meds, and that's mainly to help a 12 year old, who is used to constant athletic activity and now getting very little, sleep.

Jesus. That's terrible.

Wiping must suck...

I was lucky enough to be on painkillers post-surgery when the Clone Wars premiered.

Being high + cartoons = LIVING

Amen, friend.

ROFL

This might be your best post ever

Yeah. I thought I was done feeding him and wiping his ass. It's been a challenge. A little over a week until he gets removable braces. So that will be awesome.

I've broken the same ankle twice. The last time I did it, I required surgery and got an 8 inch plate along with 17 pins for my effort since both bones were broken. They kept pushing the oxy on me and I kept telling them no. It wasn't pleasant but I got by. When I had my hip replaced, they tried again with both oxy and Tylenol 3, but I'm a stubborn old coot, so all they could get down me was ibuprofen.

You are trolling, right? Isn't Fentanyl what killed Prince when he thought it was Oxy? They don't give Fentanyl to use outside of a hospital?

They gave my mom fentanyl patches to take home when she had a broken shoulder.

It's legal and my insurance is paying the tab?

I'll take a double.

I'd like to know why some other kid injured his shoulder and needs Oxy initially like your son goes on to have an issue with opioids? Why does one person spiral out of control and the other person doesn't? They have the same economic and social backgrounds. Sure seems to me that we haven't figured out, as of yet, why one spirals out of control and another doesn't.

It's strange. Some people just have the "addiction" gene. It seems like I couldn't get psychologically addicted to the shit if I tried. I've even had the "physical" addiction thing happen, quit cold turkey. Cigarettes? Quit cold turkey. The worst case of addiction I've personally experienced was actually caffeine, specifically Coca-Cola. That shit was horrible. Not even joking. Sometimes drank a 12 pack a day. Woke up one morning with the shakes and jerking like a lab rat. I didn't have any Coca-Cola in the house, and the lust I had for a Coke consumed me and drove me to get dressed, get my wallet, and walk around the corner to Break Time and get 2 20ozs, one of which I cracked open on the way to the register. I assume that's how crackheads lust after crack, or the opiate addicts are physically and psychologically driven to seek opiates. It was horrible. So I tapered down and quit. Nowadays, I can enjoy a Coke and a smile and shut the **** up without any issues.

Yeah. It's a mystery. Ours is young still and I'm under no illusions that things might change as he gets older, but he's pretty much made sure to keep off of them. That's likely because we talk pretty explicitly with them about dangers of addiction to opioids. There are also lots of cautionary tales out there from people he respects in the mountain bike and action sports world of getting hooked on opioids after injury. So people in that scene are now hyper aware of it and talk about it openly.

rofl. dude you crack me up.

Yes fake oxy that is actually pressed fent is responsible for a lot of deaths and whoever was Prince's drug guy got duped into buying fakes. Fentanyl pressed pills have become more prevalent ever since the DEA and government started cracking down on pill mills and then doctors got scared of prescribing opiates and the supply dropped and the street price of oxy and hydros sky rocketed. Most people can't afford to spend thousands of dollars a month on that stuff, so they turn to heroin or fent and eventually do too much or get clean for awhile and then decide they want to get high and take as much as before when they're tolerance was higher and cant handle it and die.

The DEA and government are just as much to blame as the pharmaceutical companies for the opioid crisis. You cant allow people to be on these drugs for years and years, then decide "oh well this is addictive, so it's bad and youcant have it". Opioid wd is absolute hell.

Opioids are a big pain in the ass for my wife it is very hard to quantify pain and not everyone has the same pain threshold , so she has patients signs contracts which include random drugs screens and the ability to get police involved if she suspects dealing and releasing them for abuse.


Specialists still over prescribe them because they don’t want to deal with you once you leave and leave the GPs to deal with it.

My surgeon forced me to take a script for 60 perks even though I told him I was fine with Tylenol, I just tore up the script.

I can attest to the fact oxy is pure hell when your out.

Went from 30 5mg tabs a month to 180, all through the VA for 6 plus years.
30mg a day is not alot compared to what others were getting.

Quit cold turkey Nov 2016, pure hell for 3 to 4 weeks.
The wife said get back on them your fine with them, I told her when im out it's pure fkn hell not taking another.
Once I made my decision all the docs agreed, stay the course you just need to calm fk the down and quit treating staff/family like shit while detoxing.
Get off oxy/hydro asap

Even doing a slow taper (~5 months) was shit for me. I was up to 80mg hydrocodone/day (8x 10/325) and, on particularly painful days, 8mg Dilaudid 2-3 a day (this was on top of 3600mg gabapentin and 60mg cymbalta for nerve pain). 80-70mg and then 70-60mg (1 week per drop) wasn't too terrible, but was by no means fun, but once I got down to about 50mg I had to go 5 at a time. Once down to 25mg or so I would go 2 weeks per drop because it started getting SO rough. By the end of it all (December 2019) I was still dope sick for a week. There was definitely still depression, insomnia, and a drastic increase in pain, but I'd do it all again. Unfortunately I'm still on max gabapentin and cymbalta.

****ing nasty stuff, man. I might be regarded as nothing more than a troll, and not a particularly good one, but I'm definitely here for anyone struggling with drug addiction or alcoholism.

We have around 10 million people in the U.S. that battle addiction. 50% of people quit cold turkey -- alcohol, opioids, cigarettes, anything -- and never touch it again.

It would be great to understand that half of the numbers.

The fear or pain of doing drugs gets far greater like far far far far far far greater than the jones for a hit or a pull. Like people that are terrified of going back to prison or fear of dying that pain gets strong enough you will quit just by the situation. Like the fear of my family finding out I am doing drugs again and how that feels hoo boy the jones part doesn't even find it's way through the fear.

I think the addiction just comes from a massive seritonin dump. Like even when I take some ibuprofion I can feel it more than I think other people can placebo or not. Probably after years and years of depression and getting relief from drugs and booze if I put any pill in my mouth my brain dumps some memories of good times and seritonin in my body.

its a weird thing that can’t be explained easily. I got the steroid shot twice. Pain free for 5 weeks each time. Didn’t take any Oxy. Had no desire to take any whatsoever. I quit smoking cigarettes after 13 years cold turkey. I’ve lost 100lbs but still a fat ass. So obviously I don’t have this fantastic strong will. There just isn’t any correlation that I’ve seen as to why one person has an issue and another doesn’t. Or even in the same person like myself.

Whenever I feel muscle pain or injure my bones, the first option is a muscle relaxer which you can buy without a prescription nowdays. Occasionally I would use some Biofreeze to cool off the area. Ibuprofen doesn't help me so much but it did wonders when I had a gum infection a few years back. I would never use opioids unless I had no other options left and the pain was impossible to deal with. Everybody experiences pain differently and some drugs may work better for some people but not for others. Nevertheless, start with something light. Then work your way up to other drugs which may be more effective but are less addictive and have lesser side effects. Compression wraps, sleeves or braces work very well also.

Needed Oxys and Norco post throat surgery awhile ago......while it did wonders for the pain it stopped my GI tract immediately. I tried prune juice, docuset, stool softeners, everything.....nothing helped. It finally came to a point I truly thought I was going to go to the ER for a C section lol so I stopped the narcs immediately. Took about 2 days and then I needed a seatbelt while sitting on the toilet....never felt such relief in my life. How folks get hooked on something that stops the pipes from flowing is weird to me....