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staylor26 06-06-2019 12:31 PM
Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I’ve ever seen. Aaaand he’s been absolutely dog shit in the playoffs.

Saying that somebody is a great QB prospect, but questioning how the will deal with the pressure and adversity that will eventually come in the NFL is completely reasonable, especially when there are no examples of them dealing with it at even the college level.

I’m not saying Lawrence won’t deal with pressure/adversity well. I’m simply saying I have no clue because I haven’t seen it yet, and anybody pretending like they know is full of shit.

alpha_omega 06-06-2019 12:42 PM
We already got our guy....I am hoping he turns out to be worth less than Vicky Lawrence for whoever grabs him.

BlackOp 06-06-2019 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14296755)
I’m not saying Lawrence won’t deal with pressure/adversity well. I’m simply saying I have no clue because I haven’t seen it yet, and anybody pretending like they know is full of shit.
I'd say winning a national title as a freshman is dealing with intense pressure...it's the most pressure you can face at the college level. To be as good as he is...and being so young isn't an everyday occurrence.

chiefzilla1501 06-06-2019 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14296686)
Dude, you still don’t get it. I said he’s a great QB prospect. He should and will be the #1 pick in 2021. Why do you continue to act like I’m saying he’s not good or he’s going to fail? How many times do I have to say this before it gets through your head?

And no, most cfb QB’s deal with more pressure and adversity with less talent than he did last year. This isn’t even debatable.

Look at Mahomes vs. LSU. That game told me more about Mahomes than any of the rest. It was by far his most impressive despite it being a blowout loss and not his best game statistically by any means.

I was fully on board with him despite not seeing that game until after we drafted him. I didn’t watch any of his sophomore tape so I had no idea it existed. If I watched it before the draft, I would’ve been pounding the table that much harder.
I know you know he's good, I just think you're asking way too much from a can't miss qb prospect. Luck and Eli didn't have a ton of pressure games. Luck didn't play in a loaded pac 10. College doesn't allow you to mold a perfect qb. The reason Eli and luck became can't miss is because regardless of w/l record or strength of schedule, you could barely find mental or physical holes in their game. The fact that we're debating experience and situation and not his actual play speaks volumes.

By the way, eli was arguably not even the best qb in his class. That doesn't matter. He was rightfully the can't miss prospect of his draft and even if Lawrence doesn't meet your pressure criteria, assuming he doesn't regress too much he'll be can't miss too. The same way we all rightfully slapped that label on Andrew luck very early in his college career.

BlackOp 06-06-2019 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14296626)
Chiefs get Miami’s 1st overall pick, next years 2nd and 2021s 2nd + Devonte Parker

Dolphins get Mahomes.
Solid...I like it.

Seriously, I bet the Raiders would have given up all five of their (2019/2020) first rounders for Mahomes...and it would have been a smart move. Your franchise is set for the next decade...

staylor26 06-06-2019 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14296774)
I'd say winning a national title as a freshman is dealing with intense pressure...it's the most pressure you can face at the college level. To be as good as he is...and being so young isn't an everyday occurrence.
I’m talking about on tape “pressure”, not the “pressure” you’re trying to give him credit for.

SAUTO 06-06-2019 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14296742)
Without a blue-chip QB, your franchise is essentially doomed. You might get lucky for a year with a top defense but that isn't sustainable.

So if you're a GM of a meddling franchise...Tampa, Titans, Bengals, Raiders, Bills, Broncos ..or a franchise with an aging star...Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, Saints. What is a "sure thing" prospect like Lawrence worth (initially cheap labor) for the next 10-15 years? 4 first round picks? Would Brady have been worth that? Rodgers? Is Mahomes?

If you hit on him...he could generate over a billion dollars for that franchise/city over the course of his career. Do you think the NFL Draft comes to KC without Mahomes?

I think there is going to be an unprecedented amount of interest to land him...it's just the nature of the current QB-driven NFL. The have and the have nots.

He's a white, blonde, 6-6 QB phenom...
Middling

SAUTO 06-06-2019 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14296793)
Solid...I like it.

Seriously, I bet the Raiders would have given up all five of their (2019/2020) first rounders for Mahomes...and it would have been a smart move. Your franchise is set for the next decade...
ROFL

BlackOp 06-06-2019 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14296798)
Middling
Shouldn't you be banning me from threads?...you're slippin.

BlackOp 06-06-2019 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14296799)
ROFL
You think Carr + their draft is going to have greater long term results than building a franchise around Mahomes?

Surprised you're not already a GM....

It was a hypothetical...to illustrate the importance/value of a real franchise QB.

Look what landing Manning did for the Donks...and the Colts. He made average players very wealthy...and kept bad coaches/GMs employed.

I said "solid" as joke...he's obviously trolling about Miami. Too bad my use of "seriously" was lost on you.

Luke Atamadong 06-06-2019 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14296814)
You think Carr + their draft is going to have greater long term results than building a franchise around Mahomes?

Surprised you're not already a GM....

It was a hypothetical...to illustrate the importance/value of a real franchise QB.

Look what landing Manning did for the Donks...and the Colts. He made average players very wealthy...and kept bad coaches/GMs employed.

I said "solid" as joke...he's obviously trolling about Miami. Too bad my use of "seriously" was lost on you.
If I were the Raiders I'd do it. They would be competitive immediately.

CasselGotPeedOn 06-06-2019 01:34 PM
Staylor will go to the ends of the earth to discredit anyone who isn't or won't be a Chief.

staylor26 06-06-2019 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14296876)
Staylor will go to the ends of the earth to discredit anyone who isn't or won't be a Chief.
:facepalm:

I said the guy is a great QB prospect. If we didn’t have Mahomes I’d be praying for the #1 overall pick in 2021.

That doesn’t mean that there aren’t questions left to be answered after just one year.

I’m convinced this is Billay’s mult. If not, you’re just as ****ing stupid. Congrats.

Chief Roundup 06-06-2019 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14296692)
LMAO @ the irony of you calling anybody simple minded.



****ing idiot.
You are ate up with anger issues. You can keep channeling that inner McCloud all you want there lil buddy.
Guess you just cant find humor even where intended.
Dude you know you have issues when you attack different people every damn day. You are even attacking O.City.

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staylor26 06-06-2019 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14296981)
You are ate up with anger issues. You can keep channeling that inner McCloud all you want there lil buddy.
Guess you just cant find humor even where intended.
Dude you know you have issues when you attack different people every damn day. You are even attacking O.City.

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It’s not my fault that you take a stranger on the internet seriously. O.City has learned by now that I’m not “attacking” him. We went to counseling. He knows he’s one of the few on here I actually like.

I don’t hate you either man. Stop taking it so seriously.

crispystl 06-06-2019 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14296981)
You are ate up with anger issues. You can keep channeling that inner McCloud all you want there lil buddy.
Guess you just cant find humor even where intended.
Dude you know you have issues when you attack different people every damn day. You are even attacking O.City.

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Is Staylor Dane??

Titty Meat 06-06-2019 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14296876)
Staylor will go to the ends of the earth to discredit anyone who isn't or won't be a Chief.
This.

SAUTO 06-06-2019 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14296814)
You think Carr + their draft is going to have greater long term results than building a franchise around Mahomes?

Surprised you're not already a GM....

It was a hypothetical...to illustrate the importance/value of a real franchise QB.

Look what landing Manning did for the Donks...and the Colts. He made average players very wealthy...and kept bad coaches/GMs employed.

I said "solid" as joke...he's obviously trolling about Miami. Too bad my use of "seriously" was lost on you.
No I think we would be stupid if we even entertained the idea

SAUTO 06-06-2019 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14296809)
Shouldn't you be banning me from threads?...you're slippin.
You know why you get banned. You not doing that is why i'm not banning you from threads.

It's that simple

BlackOp 06-06-2019 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14297042)
You know why you get banned. You not doing that is why i'm not banning you from threads.

It's that simple
Simple as a passive-aggressive mod over-stepping his obligation to be neutral?

BlackOp 06-06-2019 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14297039)
No I think we would be stupid if we even entertained the idea
I never said the Chiefs would accept it...Mahomes is a once in a life-time, magic unicorn. I wouldn't take 8 1st round picks to send him to a division rival....he's untradable.

chiefzilla1501 06-06-2019 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14296933)
:facepalm:

I said the guy is a great QB prospect. If we didn’t have Mahomes I’d be praying for the #1 overall pick in 2021.

That doesn’t mean that there aren’t questions left to be answered after just one year.

I’m convinced this is Billay’s mult. If not, you’re just as ****ing stupid. Congrats.
So we're pretty much on the same page in terms of value. Let me say this instead... keep in mind who the top QB prospects have been in the past. Even just going by today (kid will probably only get better), would you say the same thing about 2021 if it was Kyler Murray or Bortles or Trubisky? Forget about what we know now about top 3 QBs. There just hasn't been an exciting QB prospect in a really long time. And I'd argue nobody even close to "can't miss" since Andrew Luck. Hell, it's been a shitty DECADE for top 3 draft QBs.

Kiimo 06-06-2019 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by crispystl420 (Post 14297001)
Is Staylor Dane??
But I'm the rapper Staylor Dane with fame
(Cinderfella Staylor Dane!)
Yes, I'm the rapper Staylor Dane with fame

SAUTO 06-06-2019 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14297236)
Simple as a passive-aggressive mod over-stepping his obligation to be neutral?

Simple as you breaking the rules.

Deberg_1990 09-30-2021 05:44 AM
Welcome to the NFL kid.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some of what’s at stake in tonight’s Jaguars-Bengals game: <a href="https://t.co/kmSbPVjmeu">pic.twitter.com/kmSbPVjmeu</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1443534764556890116?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MahomesMagic 09-30-2021 06:01 AM
He wasn't as good as Burrow or Murray coming out.

Jared Goff 2.0.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2021 06:02 AM
It was obvious from the start that it was a horrible idea, but Meyer/Baalke have ****ed them up well beyond what I thought they'd be capable of. Disaster hiring.

Deberg_1990 09-30-2021 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15863211)
He wasn't as good as Burrow or Murray coming out.

Jared Goff 2.0.
Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields or Mac Jones?

MahomesMagic 09-30-2021 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 15863214)
Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields or Mac Jones?
Wilson (yes, he is looking bad now too, this is future)
Lance
Fields He needs Nagy fired
Lawrence
Mac

Buehler445 09-30-2021 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15863212)
It was obvious from the start that it was a horrible idea, but Meyer/Baalke have ****ed them up well beyond what I thought they'd be capable of. Disaster hiring.
You should know how bad it can get when ego gets in the way. I mean we had Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards and Scott Franchise Killer Pioli back to back for ****s sake.

I haven’t heard shit from Baalke but Meyer has been a total douche the whole time.

Sassy Squatch 09-30-2021 07:19 AM
Baalke was a complete failure. Went into the off season with 74 million in cap space and multiple 1sts and 2nds and came away with damn near nothing to show for it.

ToxSocks 09-30-2021 08:19 AM
He'll be fine.

staylor26 09-30-2021 08:21 AM
He’s been absolutely awful.

I think he’ll be alright, but he’s never going to live up to the ridiculous hype.

tredadda 09-30-2021 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863348)
He’s been absolutely awful.

I think he’ll be alright, but he’s never going to live up to the ridiculous hype.
I am willing to give him more time. That team drafted #1 for a reason. It doesn't help when their GM drafts a RB in the first when their Oline is as poor as it is. They are gonna get him killed and ruin him if they aren't careful.

Easy 6 09-30-2021 08:47 AM
I’m looking forward to seeing him tonight and forming my own judgements, not only him but Meyer as well

staylor26 09-30-2021 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15863363)
I am willing to give him more time. That team drafted #1 for a reason. It doesn't help when their GM drafts a RB in the first when their Oline is as poor as it is. They are gonna get him killed and ruin him if they aren't careful.
All of the talk about his situation is absolutely true, but it’s not an excuse for the interceptions and his terrible play. He just hasn’t looked even close to “generational”, and never will, because he isn’t.

tredadda 09-30-2021 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863392)
All of the talk about his situation is absolutely true, but it’s not an excuse for the interceptions and his terrible play. He just hasn’t looked even close to “generational”, and never will, because he isn’t.
True, but still willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Manning was a generational QB as well and he sucked big time his first year or two. I am willing to give him a pass for now because mistakes will happen. If he is making these same mistakes in Year 3 then there is a problem. For a player that was as highly rated as him, these losses and mistakes are just what he needs. It's been too easy in HS and college when he was the superior athlete and was surrounded by superior talent. Now he's in the NFL. I am fascinated to see how he overcomes this now that he lacks those advantages.

RunKC 09-30-2021 09:00 AM
Situation matters so much in this league. You look at 2 talented QB’s like Lawrence and Wilson and then see the absolute shit teams that ruin them.

Same shit happened to Luck.

The problem with this league isn’t talent it’s coaching and an overrun abomination of shit owners/GM’s

MahomesMagic 09-30-2021 09:17 AM
People overrated him because of his height and long hair.


Saw even people I respect say, "Well, here Trevor throws the ball right at the safety..

Here Trevor holds the ball too long...Here Trevor panics...but what an amazing prospect!"

So they see the problems but were too afraid to get out of group think.


I doubt Jaguars end up paying his 2nd contract before he gets moved.

staylor26 09-30-2021 09:36 AM
The Jaguars are 11th in pass block win rate.

They have some decent weapons in Marvin Jones, DJ Chark, and Laviska Shenault.

I don’t see how any of that is an excuse for the poor decision making and all around bad play.

JPH83 09-30-2021 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863455)
The Jaguars are 11th in pass block win rate.

They have some decent weapons in Marvin Jones, DJ Chark, and Laviska Shenault.

I don’t see how any of that is an excuse for the poor decision making and all around bad play.
Carolina's making Darnold look half decent, obviously the landing spot matters and there's a reason the Jag's picked first, they're JAGs. You don't, and they haven't, turned that around with one draft and offseason.

He might not be the player they hoped for or some predict but this is ridiculously early. He was an excellent college player and a completely reasonable number 1 pick.

Bearcat 09-30-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15863387)
I’m looking forward to seeing him tonight and forming my own judgements, not only him but Meyer as well
I didn't even think about that... took one glance at "Bengals vs Jags" and threw up a little.

Guess that's a decent enough reason to watch or at least have handy.

Bowser 09-30-2021 11:42 AM
Is it a Trevor Lawrence problem, or is it an Urban Meyer thinking-he-can-coach-in-the-NFL problem?

RealSNR 09-30-2021 11:48 AM
Zach Wilson looks like the superior QB thus far. And Wilson is struggling.

staylor26 09-30-2021 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 15863698)
Carolina's making Darnold look half decent, obviously the landing spot matters and there's a reason the Jag's picked first, they're JAGs. You don't, and they haven't, turned that around with one draft and offseason.

He might not be the player they hoped for or some predict but this is ridiculously early. He was an excellent college player and a completely reasonable number 1 pick.
Again, I’ve already said that I think he’ll be alright and will be a solid QB at the very least.

But it’s amazing how the same people that called Lawrence “generational” are the first ones making excuses for him now.

Andrew Luck went to the team with the #1 overall pick, and they were immediately competitive. Luck was truly “generational”. Lawrence just isn’t.

For all the talk about Lawrence’s OL, they seem to be doing a good enough job in pass protection. They’re just one spot behind us in pass block win rate at 11th. That’s not bad at all.

T-post Tom 09-30-2021 11:55 AM
He is almost worth one of Patrick Mahomes’ jockstraps.

Shiver Me Timbers 09-30-2021 12:02 PM
Lawrence will turn out to be the Jags modern day version of OUR OWN Todd Blackledge.
The Jags got a JAG. LOL

staylor26 09-30-2021 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15863739)
Zach Wilson looks like the superior QB thus far. And Wilson is struggling.
I have to agree. They’re both struggling, but even going back to the preseason, I’ve just seen more flashes from Wilson.

RunKC 09-30-2021 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15863771)
I have to agree. They’re both struggling, but even going back to the preseason, I’ve just seen more flashes from Wilson.
Have you seen Wilson? He legitimately has nobody. Like his OL is ass bc of injury and his WR’s are so awful.

Feel bad for the guy. He shouldn’t have been a starter this year. These lumps could really hurt him

Easy 6 09-30-2021 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15863710)
I didn't even think about that... took one glance at "Bengals vs Jags" and threw up a little.

Guess that's a decent enough reason to watch or at least have handy.
And the Bengals are actually halfass good these days, having just put a thumping on the Steelers… with Burrow around they’re on the rise

staylor26 09-30-2021 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15863790)
Have you seen Wilson? He legitimately has nobody. Like his OL is ass bc of injury and his WR’s are so awful.

Feel bad for the guy. He shouldn’t have been a starter this year. These lumps could really hurt him
Oh yea, I know he doesn’t have much help either. He has a bad OL, no running game, and not enough weapons to work with.

His situation is significantly worse than the one Lawrence is in.

KChiefs1 09-30-2021 12:24 PM
Tonight will be the first time I have watched these 2 QB’s. Jags & Bungles aren’t usually playing a meaningful game.


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staylor26 09-15-2022 02:52 PM
Is is time to admit that this guy is a huge disappointment?

I know it was just 1 week, but I saw absolutely nothing in that game last week to make me feel any different about last year. He looks like the same guy, except he's maybe not throwing as many picks.

Ome things for sure, in no way was he a "generational prospect".

ToxSocks 09-15-2022 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16464870)

Ome things for sure, in no way was he a "generational prospect".
well....he has a generational neck, that's for sure.

myselff77 09-15-2022 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16464870)
Is is time to admit that this guy is a huge disappointment?

I know it was just 1 week, but I saw absolutely nothing in that game last week to make me feel any different about last year. He looks like the same guy, except he's maybe not throwing as many picks.

Ome things for sure, in no way was he a "generational prospect".
I'd certainly take many other Quarterbacks over him at this point. A debate we got into here while seeing him look mediocre... If he'd have been drafted by an Andy Reid coached team and allowed to sit for a year, would he be a LOT better than what we see now?

staylor26 09-15-2022 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16464878)
well....he has a generational neck, that's for sure.
Touché

RealSNR 09-15-2022 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16464870)
Is is time to admit that this guy is a huge disappointment?

I know it was just 1 week, but I saw absolutely nothing in that game last week to make me feel any different about last year. He looks like the same guy, except he's maybe not throwing as many picks.

Ome things for sure, in no way was he a "generational prospect".

From now on, I’m going assume every QB who gets his dick sucked going into the draft for being a “winner” is basically Greg McElroy.

I’ll be right more often than I’m wrong

Spott 09-15-2022 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16464878)
well....he has a generational neck, that's for sure.
He’s like Harvey Williams with a mullet.

FlaChief58 09-15-2022 03:12 PM
A ham sandwich without the ham or bread

staylor26 09-15-2022 03:16 PM
The thread question is also a good question to ask now.

I honestly don't know that he's even worth a 1st after this season if he stays on the current path.

louie aguiar 09-15-2022 03:18 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Through 18 career starts:<br><br>JaMarcus Russell<br><br>15 TD - 11 INT - 74.4 PR - 5.12 ANY/A<br><br>Daniel Jones<br><br>27 TD - 18 INT - 82.6 PR - 5.02 ANY/A<br><br>Sam Darnold<br><br>23 TD - 24 INT - 75.5 PR - 4.72 ANY/A<br><br>TREVOR LAWRENCE<br><br>13 TD - 18 INT - 72.1 PR - 4.59 ANY/A<br><br>Oh dear.</p>&mdash; Barry (@BarryOnHere) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1570500179543101441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 09-15-2022 03:24 PM
Oof

Spott 09-15-2022 03:26 PM
Lol, Mahomes had that many TD passes by the 2nd quarter of week 3 in his first season.

BWillie 09-15-2022 03:31 PM
Andy Reid could only make this guy look as good as Baker Mayfield. That's how bad he is.

ThaVirus 09-15-2022 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16464870)
Ome things for sure, in no way was he a "generational prospect".

I don't follow college ball much and they throw around the word "generational" too loosely, but was he not?

I'd imagine the consensus is that he was that he was the best prospect since Luck. Based on what I know, he was probably like a top 5 QB prospect of all time.

Zebedee DuBois 09-15-2022 03:45 PM
I clicked on this thread to see how soon "tree fiddy" showed up. 2nd post!

Well done, Chiefs Planet, well done!

ToxSocks 09-15-2022 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16465009)
I don't follow college ball much and they throw around the word "generational" too loosely, but was he not?

I'd imagine the consensus is that he was that he was the best prospect since Luck. Based on what I know, he was probably like a top 5 QB prospect of all time.
Yeah, no.

You're referring to media hype, not what actual coaches and scouts thought.

The media cares about two things:

1. Did he win games in a premier college program?

2. Is he cute?

If you answered yes, then he's the next best prospect since the last generational prospect.

FFS, the media had people believing Tim Tebow was a goddamn NFL Qb and that Johnny Manziel was a generational talent.

Hell...their latest appointed GOAT, Tua....

Sassy Squatch 09-15-2022 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16465009)
I don't follow college ball much and they throw around the word "generational" too loosely, but was he not?

I'd imagine the consensus is that he was that he was the best prospect since Luck. Based on what I know, he was probably like a top 5 QB prospect of all time.
Well, hindsight being 20/20, he won the national championship his freshman year while playing at a generational level, led Clemson back to the Championship his sophomore year playing at the same level, had a pretty rotten game there and afterwards was pretty much just fine from there on out. He's been trading on the success of his freshman and sophomore seasons with some pretty clear signs of regression that have just sort of been glossed over. Also, getting saddled with Urban Meyer made folks sympathize with him (I'm in that camp.)

Chieftain 09-15-2022 04:19 PM
Colon Coward called him "rare" and "the greatest talent since Luck".

staylor26 09-15-2022 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16465009)
I don't follow college ball much and they throw around the word "generational" too loosely, but was he not?

I'd imagine the consensus is that he was that he was the best prospect since Luck. Based on what I know, he was probably like a top 5 QB prospect of all time.
No, he clearly wasn't.

Many people saying he was doesn't make it so. They were clearly wrong. That's my point, and I've been saying it since day 1.

srvy 09-15-2022 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 16464924)
A ham sandwich without the ham or bread
Paper plate of turkey fries and a 12 oz can of Tab.


I called and smelled bust before the draft but so did a lot of others. Bust still remains to be seen but it's looking more and more realistic.

Rausch 09-15-2022 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16465108)
"the greatest talent since Luck".
No...

Sassy Squatch 09-15-2022 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16465125)
No, he clearly wasn't.

Many people saying he was doesn't make it so. They were clearly wrong. That's my point, and I've been saying it since day 1.
He was definitely hyped as one.

staylor26 09-15-2022 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16465168)
He was definitely hyped as one.
Yea, becuase they were focused on things like winning, which rarely translates to the NFL level when you're coming from a team like Clemson where you have a significant talent advantage 99% of the time.

Like I would ask then, what exactly makes him a generational talent?

It wasn't arm talent, it wasn't raw athleticism, so what was it?

Sassy Squatch 09-15-2022 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16465182)
Yea, becuase they were focused on things like winning, which rarely translates to the NFL level when you're coming from a team like Clemson where you have a significant talent advantage 99% of the time.

Like I would ask then, what exactly makes him a generational talent?

It wasn't arm talent, it wasn't raw athleticism, so what was it?
Meh. He was flashing pretty consistently his first two seasons. The problem is he regressed rather than developing.

MAG 09-15-2022 05:30 PM
Needs a haircut badly. Looks like an afghan hound.

the steam 09-15-2022 06:13 PM
My wife saw him on TV playing for Clemson and seriously thought he was a trans

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-15-2022 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16465182)
Yea, becuase they were focused on things like winning, which rarely translates to the NFL level when you're coming from a team like Clemson where you have a significant talent advantage 99% of the time.

Like I would ask then, what exactly makes him a generational talent?

It wasn't arm talent, it wasn't raw athleticism, so what was it?
The hype took off after that championship game and it never readjusted even after he started slow in 2019.

I never brought into it.

"He was a winner. He doesn't lose."

Yeah because he played for Clemson and 95% of his opponents were outclassed.

staylor26 10-30-2022 10:41 AM
He's worth a turd sandwich.

Rainbarrel 10-30-2022 10:43 AM
Plays as ugly as his mug


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