ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Fuller taking #29 (Berry) jersey number (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=323446)

PAChiefsGuy 06-18-2019 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14313531)
I suggested he might not be able to read, but the man ass-raped and NFL teams bank account, so yeah he's pretty savvy at that.

Eric Berry didn't put a gun to the Chiefs heads and force them to sign him to that deal. You mean to tell me you wouldn't sign with the Chiefs if they offered you that money? Don't hate Eric Berry for that.. Hate the way contracts are setup in the NFL, if anything.

Lets not forget that when Ricky Williams signed a deal based pretty much totally on his performance... The result? Everyone called him an idiot. So I don't know what you want these NFL players to do. Damned if they do damned if they don't pretty much.

NFL players get hurt and can't play but still get paid their guaranteed money. It happens all the time just the reality of the NFL. It's not like Eric Berry wanted to get hurt or get cancer...

-King- 06-18-2019 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14313562)
Eric Berry didn't put a gun to the Chiefs heads and force them to sign him to that deal. You mean to tell me you wouldn't sign with the Chiefs if they offered you that money? Don't hate Eric Berry for that.. Hate the way contracts are setup in the NFL, if anything.

Lets not forget that when Ricky Williams signed a deal based pretty much totally on his performance... The result? Everyone called him an idiot. So I don't know what you want these NFL players to do. Damned if they do damned if they don't pretty much.

NFL players get hurt and can't play but still get paid their guaranteed money. It happens all the time just the reality of the NFL. It's not like Eric Berry wanted to get hurt or get cancer...

Yup. Richard Sherman negotiated a performance based contract and he was ridiculed for it.

It sucks what happened to Berry but I'm not going to blame him or turn on him for being injured. Injuries are part of sports and players have to protect themselves financially in case of one.

GloryDayz 06-18-2019 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14313562)
Eric Berry didn't put a gun to the Chiefs heads and force them to sign him to that deal. You mean to tell me you wouldn't sign with the Chiefs if they offered you that money? Don't hate Eric Berry for that.. Hate the way contracts are setup in the NFL, if anything.

Lets not forget that when Ricky Williams signed a deal based pretty much totally on his performance... The result? Everyone called him an idiot. So I don't know what you want these NFL players to do. Damned if they do damned if they don't pretty much.

NFL players get hurt and can't play but still get paid their guaranteed money. It happens all the time just the reality of the NFL. It's not like Eric Berry wanted to get hurt or get cancer...

In this case I just want the ****er to go away, never darken the KC area with his broke-dick shadow, not expect to be anything but boo'd in this city, and let us move on and forget his lazy ass ever existed.

So I don't give a **** how he got into the contract, I'm more concerned that the mother****ing **** strung fools along making people believe he'd return.

So contract or not, he ****ed Chiefs nation out of greed, now he just needs to go away and stay away, or some of us will remind him how much he disgusts us and never want him to return.

You can feel free to kiss his ass.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-18-2019 10:28 PM

Well said! Guy was an embarrassment on the sidelines every week, looking like a comatose, LA skid row hobo with his "possee" of equally useless turds.
Good riddance, and please don't return for any reason whatsoever. Go to the park with Smith and feed the pigeons.

PAChiefsGuy 06-18-2019 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14313731)
In this case I just want the ****er to go away, never darken the KC area with his broke-dick shadow, not expect to be anything but boo'd in this city, and let us move on and forget his lazy ass ever existed.

So I don't give a **** how he got into the contract, I'm more concerned that the mother****ing **** strung fools along making people believe he'd return.

So contract or not, he ****ed Chiefs nation out of greed, now he just needs to go away and stay away, or some of us will remind him how much he disgusts us and never want him to return.

You can feel free to kiss his ass.

You want to forget about him yet you constantly post about him. How many times have you posted in this thread? You are like a guy who keeps bitching about his ex-girlfriend after he dumps her. Get over Eric Berry already.

You want him to go away? Well you got your wish, he is gone. The hell you still posting about him for?

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-19-2019 12:20 AM

**** off, Squirrel Tits. You're too goddamned stupid to be a fan of this team. This team needs you like Arrowhead needs to start selling buckets of fried lard doused in butter.
Every thing that you think of is horribly wrong and will never be right. Go away for God's sake!

BlackOp 06-19-2019 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tatorhog (Post 14312842)
Berry had a lot of great plays in his career, and "Gimme dat ball Eli" was one of my personal favorites. the wheels just fell off and I think his heart followed. Just be glad he's gone now.

I remember him getting torched by Gronk for the divisional game winner in 2015...that was awesome. I remember him getting torched by Gronk in the 2018 AFCCG. That was awesome too. I miss Berry...really came through when it mattered.

TEX 06-19-2019 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14313731)
In this case I just want the ****er to go away, never darken the KC area with his broke-dick shadow, not expect to be anything but boo'd in this city, and let us move on and forget his lazy ass ever existed.

So I don't give a **** how he got into the contract, I'm more concerned that the mother****ing **** strung fools along making people believe he'd return.

So contract or not, he ****ed Chiefs nation out of greed, now he just needs to go away and stay away, or some of us will remind him how much he disgusts us and never want him to return.

You can feel free to kiss his ass.

Not to mention, after he signed said contract, he skipped team activities...That was very revealing... A true leader doesn't do that, but a self centered one does.
In the end, he got the boot, which he deserved. Im glad the Chiefs had the stones to do it.

GloryDayz 06-19-2019 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14313814)
You want to forget about him yet you constantly post about him. How many times have you posted in this thread? You are like a guy who keeps bitching about his ex-girlfriend after he dumps her. Get over Eric Berry already.

You want him to go away? Well you got your wish, he is gone. The hell you still posting about him for?

We all have our way of dealing with treasonous ****ers like Berry.

And if you're a Chiefs fan and can't connect the dots that tell you that he was a ****er (regardless of if his ****ing stupid contract enabled him to exactly be a ****er), well, you might not be as much of a fan as you think.

WhawhaWhat 06-19-2019 07:01 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Second year DB Armani Watts rocking number 23 this year! (📸 via <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a>) 👀 <a href="https://t.co/shcImBqpTM">pic.twitter.com/shcImBqpTM</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Daily (@KC_Chiefs101) <a href="https://twitter.com/KC_Chiefs101/status/1141073686591672320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Redbled 06-19-2019 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14313831)
**** off, Squirrel Tits. You're too goddamned stupid to be a fan of this team. This team needs you like Arrowhead needs to start selling buckets of fried lard doused in butter.
Every thing that you think of is horribly wrong and will never be right. Go away for God's sake!

I’ve never seen anyone called Squirrel Tits before. I’m going there next time I road rage.

I think Watts could be something we forget about that could really help this team. Sometimes I wonder if the team will use the Badger as a corner at times.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-19-2019 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbled (Post 14314088)
I’ve never seen anyone called Squirrel Tits before. I’m going there next time I road rage.

I think Watts could be something we forget about that could really help this team. Sometimes I wonder if the team will use the Badger as a corner at times.

Rico created "squirrel tits" specifically for this poster. It's a magnificent moniker and very fitting for Pennsyltucky Chiefs fan there. Every single post he makes is pure shit.

As to the Chiefs, it sounds like they're going to be using all sorts of crazy packages and rotations so who knows?

PAChiefsGuy 06-19-2019 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14313901)
We all have our way of dealing with treasonous ****ers like Berry.

And if you're a Chiefs fan and can't connect the dots that tell you that he was a ****er (regardless of if his ****ing stupid contract enabled him to exactly be a ****er), well, you might not be as much of a fan as you think.

Yeah you sure have a great way of dealing with Berry situation by throwing a hissy fit online... Good job man. I'll have to try it sometime...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14313831)
**** off, Squirrel Tits. You're too goddamned stupid to be a fan of this team. This team needs you like Arrowhead needs to start selling buckets of fried lard doused in butter.
Every thing that you think of is horribly wrong and will never be right. Go away for God's sake!

**** you. I got just as much a right to post here as anyone else. You don't like my posts use the ignore function. Pretty easy to do you moron.

TEX 06-19-2019 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14314141)
Yeah you sure have a great way of dealing with Berry situation by throwing a hissy fit online... Good job man. I'll have to try it sometime...

ROFL Um...You DID, in EVERY Tyreek Hill thread!

-King- 06-19-2019 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14314172)
ROFL Um...You DID, in EVERY Tyreek Hill thread!

Says the guy that was crying so much he got banned in one of the threads ROFL

PAChiefsGuy 06-19-2019 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14314172)
ROFL Um...You DID, in EVERY Tyreek Hill thread!

That's a lie. I posted about Tyreek in the beginning but moved on once I realized nothing was going to come of it. I jumped the gun a little on that story and that was my mistake.

But I havent posted about Tyreek Hill in weeks. He'll be playing for the Chiefs next season and serve a small suspension. I'm fine w that.

OKchiefs 06-19-2019 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14314196)
That's a lie. I posted about Tyreem in the beginning but moved on once I realized nothing was going to come of it. I jumped the gun a little on that story and that was my mistake.

But I havent posted about Tyreek Hill in weeks. He'll be playing for the Chiefs next season and serve a small suspension. I'm fine w that.

Why aren't you sucking Smith off on a Redskins forum?

PAChiefsGuy 06-19-2019 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 14314200)
Why aren't you sucking Smith off on a Redskins forum?

What the hell does Alex Smith and the Redskins have to do w Eric Berry? Obsess much?

Flying High D 06-19-2019 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14313884)
Not to mention, after he signed said contract, he skipped team activities...That was very revealing... A true leader doesn't do that, but a self centered one does.
In the end, he got the boot, which he deserved. Im glad the Chiefs had the stones to do it.

This is a beautiful post. I tried to give it a thumbs up. But the thumbs down got hit, sorry.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-19-2019 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 14314522)
This is a beautiful post. I tried to give it a thumbs up. But the thumbs down got hit, sorry.

I evened the balance for you.

Flying High D 06-19-2019 02:48 PM

^ Bless you.

MahiMike 06-19-2019 02:52 PM

Not to mention that Berry gave up the final straw throw to gronk in the championship game. Turn around asshole!

Flying High D 06-19-2019 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14314555)
Not to mention that Berry gave up the final straw throw to gronk in the championship game. Turn around asshole!

Oh, you mean when Brady and Gronk was playing a game of catch? Surprised Broken Spirit was even in the picture frame.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-19-2019 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 14314545)
^ Bless you.

Nothing but love for my homies. :)

GloryDayz 06-19-2019 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 14314141)
Yeah you sure have a great way of dealing with Berry situation by throwing a hissy fit online... Good job man. I'll have to try it sometime...



**** you. I got just as much a right to post here as anyone else. You don't like my posts use the ignore function. Pretty easy to do you moron.

^^^^ Hissy fit because he can't stand how much coin he wasted on a Haglund jersey ^^^^

PAChiefsGuy 06-20-2019 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14315002)
^^^^ Hissy fit because he can't stand how much coin he wasted on a Haglund jersey ^^^^

Lol. I admit, that was funny.

Nothing more to post about here. I'm out. You can continue to bitch about nothing if you choose to. Have fun.

New World Order 07-21-2019 11:28 PM

Thought this was interesting. Fuller struggled in the slot but was elite on the outside. per PFF article:

In 2018, Fuller’s 57.9 slot coverage grade ranked sixth out of the six players who logged at least 400 slot coverage snaps. Opposing quarterbacks completed 76.7% of their passes when targeting Fuller in slot coverage, and his forced incompletion rate dropped down to 8.2%. He surrendered a first down or touchdown on 45.2% of his targets and opposing quarterbacks earned a 110.5 passer rating when targeting him.

Despite his struggles from the slot in 2018, Fuller shined in coverage when he was given the opportunity to cover out wide. The third-year cornerback registered 103 coverage snaps from an outside corner position, and out of the 101 players who saw at least 100 coverage snaps out wide, he ranked first with a 90.7 coverage grade. He ranked first among that group by holding opposing quarterbacks to just a 35.3% completion percentage when targeted as a wide corner and both of his interceptions came when playing out wide.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-the-chi...s-best-in-2019

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-21-2019 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14358056)
Thought this was interesting. Fuller struggled in the slot but was elite on the outside. per PFF article:

In 2018, Fuller’s 57.9 slot coverage grade ranked sixth out of the six players who logged at least 400 slot coverage snaps. Opposing quarterbacks completed 76.7% of their passes when targeting Fuller in slot coverage, and his forced incompletion rate dropped down to 8.2%. He surrendered a first down or touchdown on 45.2% of his targets and opposing quarterbacks earned a 110.5 passer rating when targeting him.

Despite his struggles from the slot in 2018, Fuller shined in coverage when he was given the opportunity to cover out wide. The third-year cornerback registered 103 coverage snaps from an outside corner position, and out of the 101 players who saw at least 100 coverage snaps out wide, he ranked first with a 90.7 coverage grade. He ranked first among that group by holding opposing quarterbacks to just a 35.3% completion percentage when targeted as a wide corner and both of his interceptions came when playing out wide.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-the-chi...s-best-in-2019

Bob Sutton sucks!

New World Order 07-21-2019 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14358060)
Bob Sutton sucks!

Competent safety play should help too

rabblerouser 07-22-2019 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14358061)
Competent safety play should help too

this.

ThyKingdomCome15 07-22-2019 07:14 AM

The nightmare scenario for a guy signing a massive contract is he gets hurt as he signs it. That's basically what happened and I can still feel the pain. It's hard to let a guy like him walk, though. Signing him was the right call regardless.

TEX 07-22-2019 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 14358140)
The nightmare scenario for a guy signing a massive contract is he gets hurt as he signs it. That's basically what happened and I can still feel the pain. It's hard to let a guy like him walk, though. Signing him was the right call regardless.

From a PR perspective, you're definitely correct. But from a future production perspective, given all the intangibles, it was not the right thing to do. Big contracts like that should be based on expected future production rather than past performance. You get into trouble when you put too much emphasis on the past... My problem with him was not that he got hurt - shit happens. It was his actions after he signed his huge contract when he skipped "voluntary" team workouts that he had previously attended in years past. That's not what a true leader does. I think THAT type of thinking was on display last season and it soured his legacy. I wish EB the best, but glad he's gone.

jjchieffan 07-22-2019 07:59 AM

I never would have guessed that about Fuller. He was supposed to be elite at covering the slot. It was his outside coverage that was supposedly suspect. If this is true, then he should be the starting corner opposite Breeland this year. Kick Ward to the slot.

O.city 07-22-2019 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14358180)
I never would have guessed that about Fuller. He was supposed to be elite at covering the slot. It was his outside coverage that was supposedly suspect. If this is true, then he should be the starting corner opposite Breeland this year. Kick Ward to the slot.

Ward's too big and lanky to play the slot. You want him outside to matchup with those types of WR's. The Slot is a damn hard spot in that you've gotta have really fluid hips and defend 2 way routes constantly.

I'd start with those two outside and kick Fuller inside on passing and sub package stuff.

RealSNR 07-22-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 14358170)
From a PR perspective, you're definitely correct. But from a future production perspective, given all the intangibles, it was not the right thing to do. Big contracts like that should be based on expected future production rather than past performance. You get into trouble when you put too much emphasis on the past... My problem with him was not that he got hurt - shit happens. It was his actions after he signed his huge contract when he skipped "voluntary" team workouts that he had previously attended in years past. That's not what a true leader does. I think THAT type of thinking was on display last season and it soured his legacy. I wish EB the best, but glad he's gone.

Yeah. While I supported what Berry stood for (adequate compensation for athletes in the wake of knowing what their football careers do to their bodies) how he handled it was NOT a good look for him. At all. Dude wants to lead? Speak out against what is troubling you. Don't just do these shitty things to the team and then sit there like a ****ing homeless leper.

Cancer or not, formerly great player or not, Eric Berry behaved like a real ****ing shit head for the last two seasons he was here. And that really hurt the team and possibly cost us a Super Bowl.

notorious 07-22-2019 09:06 AM

He soured all the great memories of his play.

Don’t blame him for doing what he did, I would have did the same thing, but damn.

jjchieffan 07-22-2019 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14358185)
Ward's too big and lanky to play the slot. You want him outside to matchup with those types of WR's. The Slot is a damn hard spot in that you've gotta have really fluid hips and defend 2 way routes constantly.

I'd start with those two outside and kick Fuller inside on passing and sub package stuff.

If Fuller was the best in the league on the outside, as the article says, you need to leave him outside. If Ward is too big and lanky to play the slot, then the team needs to figure out who to play there. But, based on the stats from last year, it needs to be someone other than Fuller. Reader maybe? Thornhill has played safety and corner I believe. Maybe he could cover the slot sometimes?

BossChief 07-22-2019 12:22 PM

Someone should put pre cancer Berry into the face app to see how many years it took toll on him. To me, it seemed he aged 20 years

-King- 07-22-2019 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14358276)
Yeah. While I supported what Berry stood for (adequate compensation for athletes in the wake of knowing what their football careers do to their bodies) how he handled it was NOT a good look for him. At all. Dude wants to lead? Speak out against what is troubling you. Don't just do these shitty things to the team and then sit there like a ****ing homeless leper.

Cancer or not, formerly great player or not, Eric Berry behaved like a real ****ing shit head for the last two seasons he was here. And that really hurt the team and possibly cost us a Super Bowl.

How do you know that he hurt the team in any way? And what should he have done that would have helped? The fact that he hasn't been signed yet should show that his foot injury really was a serious thing and not something he was milking in any way.

I think him speaking out hurt his image with fans, but not with the team. I believe he really did want to play. Hell he had played on the injury for years going back to I think 2014 when it first popped up. So for 3 years he played through it and it got to the point where it was unplayable last year. He chose not to get the surgery because it would have put him out for the season and he wanted to play. I'm not going to fault him because it didn't work.

RealSNR 07-22-2019 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14359109)
How do you know that he hurt the team in any way? And what should he have done that would have helped? The fact that he hasn't been signed yet should show that his foot injury really was a serious thing and not something he was milking in any way.



I think him speaking out hurt his image with fans, but not with the team. I believe he really did want to play. Hell he had played on the injury for years going back to I think 2014 when it first popped up. So for 3 years he played through it and it got to the point where it was unplayable last year. He chose not to get the surgery because it would have put him out for the season and he wanted to play. I'm not going to fault him because it didn't work.


I meant how he handled the negotiations. Dorsey wanted team protection built into the deal in case the cancer returned, and this apparently pissed Berry off that Dorsey would stoop so low as to put Berry on the hook for any of his potential medical problems. The shitass mega deal negotiated by Clark was the result.

I get it. Berry finds the NFL to be unjust towards its players who have their quality of life reduced from their brief careers, and he believes the compensation needs to be steered towards the players who have to put their bodies through this. I totally understand. But in doing so, he completely shit on the good faith the Chiefs showed him through his cancer treatment.

That wasn’t very nice.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 07-22-2019 07:09 PM

Fuller was rated 87 on madden. Pretty damn good

-King- 07-22-2019 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14359316)
I meant how he handled the negotiations. Dorsey wanted team protection built into the deal in case the cancer returned, and this apparently pissed Berry off that Dorsey would stoop so low as to put Berry on the hook for any of his potential medical problems. The shitass mega deal negotiated by Clark was the result.

I get it. Berry finds the NFL to be unjust towards its players who have their quality of life reduced from their brief careers, and he believes the compensation needs to be steered towards the players who have to put their bodies through this. I totally understand. But in doing so, he completely shit on the good faith the Chiefs showed him through his cancer treatment.

That wasn’t very nice.

Why would any player who has had cancer take a deal like that? I don't think that was reasonable by Dorsey and I bet the NFLPA looked at it as being a gross request.

-King- 07-22-2019 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14359385)
Why would any player who has had cancer take a deal like that? I don't think that was reasonable by Dorsey and I bet the NFLPA looked at it as being a gross request.

Going by what Perez wrote in his article about a disability insurance being rare and some of the only players to have it being Kaepernick and Joe Staley, I think Dorsey would have had better luck either having the chiefs pay the premium or having it cover football related injuries rather than cancer.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:55 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.