You say that as though you know for certain the local prosecutors in his case were willing to offer a no-admission plea. Do you know that?

No shit.

"All I have to do is go 3 years without getting in trouble and it gets legally expunged like it never happened vs taking a chance at a trial?"

"Where do I sign?"

Beat me to it.

If you were him, would anyone here trust the legal system and jurors to do right by you?

Y'all say that, but all of you read Terez. I bet you still read Mellinger and were even reading Prior's nonsense.

No more - it's time for us to stop giving them clicks, stop giving them pageviews. Chiefs fans need to get their Chiefs coverage - ALL of it - from somewhere else.

Let these guys know that their news isn't getting anyone's attention and it's the sports page that has been keeping them afloat. If they want to continue to antagonize the people that have been providing them that revenue, it's their prerogative.

But their bottom line won't appreciate their efforts.

Cut 'em out entirely. There are enough independent sources of information these days that you can get anything from them that you'd have gotten from a gamer from Prior or even the occasional 'insight' from Mellinger.

Be done with these assholes because it's the clicks that are enabling them to do this.

Exactly.

We should, and the Chiefs should do all they can to pull back from the Star also. The damn beat reporter made racist remarks about a player and said "there's something off about him" yet they are saying he's the bad guy, uh huh.

This is exactly correct. After the full audio was released my first post was to suggest people be happy he likely wasn’t a monster in 2014 as portrayed but to leave it be at that because I could see that discussion distracting from the recent allegations, which look better and better for Hill.

The initial cut of audio was to make the recent stuff look worst for Hill, which we shouldn’t forget because that’s the only reason they cut it that way. The full audio clearly doesn’t support what they wanted people to believe initially so now the 2014 stuff is all they have. The 2014 is no longer really important though, therefore they have basically nothing to justify how bad they have made Hill look.

Caseload.

Even a strong case takes time/effort/resources to make if the guy on the other side wants to dig his heels in and make you go to trial. Even a fairly straightforward jury trial takes a day to conduct and several days to prepare.

Meanwhile, you can plea that thing out and draw up the paperwork in an hour. Now you've bought probably 16-18 hours you can throw at someone who WON'T accept a plea or who's engaged in even more damning behavior.

It's all about volume.

2014 event should absolutely be brought up because it is very relevant after hearing the extended version of the tape.

The problem is that the Star won’t do what’s right and report that Tyreek might actually be innocent due to this new information. They are just sticking to their agenda to paint him as a bad person despite evidence of the contrary.

I seriously hope Tyreek and many other players don’t talk to the Star or KCTV5 in the locker room.

I shared a story a month or so ago where a friend ran into a Chiefs player in KC a while back and joked with him to tell Hill to get OJ's lawyers.

The player got extremely serious and immediately went to explaining that Hill was a really good person.

You can blow that off all you want Eleazer but in light of what we have found out it through all of this it seems like the only people invested in burning Hill to the ground is the KC media.

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure it can be capped with this , 2014 is completely meaningless to the story they were proven to be false about. So stop trying to spin the **** out of the story to cover your ass, you were wrong, admit it.

Yeah, I don't generally like to post complete articles because I think we owe it to content creators to give them their click.

But I posted the whole one here because I'm hopeful that this can be the end of that for many of us.

I was willing to maybe cut Mellinger a small amount of slack because he would at least acknowledge a couple of mistakes, even if he was unwilling to acknowledge all of them. But sorry Sam, you're just gonna have to be collateral damage here.

The behavior of the Star here is wholly unacceptable and they need to understand that.

Thanks for responding.

2014 doesn't matter anymore unless a pattern exists. There does not seem to be any obvious signs of that. Just speculation at best. At this point, the NFL isn't doing anyone any favors not releasing their ruling. Once it's released most news sources will move on unless something groundbreaking happens.

Eleazars game is that we're all supposed to "not feel good about cheering for Tyreek" whatever that means.

I just can't understand a Newspaper intentionally trying to bring down their Home team.

Thought: If the full audio makes him look worse, why the **** did KCTV5 edit it?

You know the answer to that...because it doesn't. This just more bullshit spin to try to get people to read it and agree with them because they they made everyone think he broke his sons arm so why not this?

Yeah, good point. Hopefully it will just die out.

If you wanted to be a real ****ing asshole.....someone could take all the stories they've done on criminal justice reform and exonerated prisoners, gather all of those links/stories and then email them to the whole sports department and simply ask "so you don't believe any of this shit either right? make sure you let all the people who did these pieces know your stance"

SJW morality trumps all. These are activists, not journalists.

I don't think any of those people are from Kansas City.....they view anything like that as an opportunity to blow this shithole for a bigger more liberal city.

He plead guilty and paid the penalty for 2014, that matter from a legal standpoint is resolved. But CP can't go around claiming he was innocent back then when he said the opposite, even though we would all feel better if he hadn't abused her.

And with respect to the Star piece, they just pointed out that it's typical for even admitted abusers to later claim, and sometimes truly believe, that they never did anything wrong. Doesn't necessarily mean that describes Hill, but it's still true.

Of course. Just wanted to throw it out there.

Meanwhile, The Star is getting BBQ’d on Twitter.

No one here is saying that this isn't true, so why do you keep fighting that straw man? The point is that the editorial board slanted the narrative without saying anything whatsoever about any of the factors that don't make Hill "look even worse." Because doing that would not generate a sexy, click-worthy headline.

As if Tyreek pleading nolo contendre would have mattered compared to the plea bargain he did accept.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the full audio makes him look worse, why the hell did KCTV5 edit it?<br><br>I’ve never seen a media outlet so openly and brazenly attack a hometown team before. They refuse to even discuss both sides of the story. <br><br>Embarrassing.</p>&mdash; Bozak Horseman (@BozakHorseman) <a href="https://twitter.com/BozakHorseman/status/1149687207755755521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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**** #2 identified.

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Plain and simple. The article is a character assassination on Hill to justify their overall bad reporting on the recent issue, which looks to not be anywhere close to everything they made it out to be or it wanted it to be.

2014 didn't happen. His record was expunged. Like it or not, Hill wasn't arrested, nor did he abuse Espinal.

The next CBA should include a clause stating that disciplinary action for off-the-field incidents must be based on a conviction in the legal system. No conviction = no discipline from the NFL.

this colleen witch was a white house correspondent

keep your ****ing politics out of my sports goddamn it

I wonder how much of this is that they really believe their source (espinals) or if it's just because they think in today's world if they refuse to backtrack everything will be ok because at least half the people reading will agree with them.

"On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins."

What happens if/when the kids turn out to be ex-boo's? Asking for a friend.

The latter.

The Espinals could prove themselves to be totally non-credible and they'd still take their word over all others in order to protect their narrative.

Hill keeps a shitload of his money.

It seems like it was edited to make the tape look more incriminating about the kid's broken arm, not about anything about him abusing her in 2014.

KCTV's deceptive editing in this case looks a lot like what the media often does, which is to cut the facts they actually have with half-truths and lies in order to convey what they believe is true, and that they believe will eventually be borne out by the facts. Lying for a good cause, sts.

Whatever happened to just reporting the news and letting people decide how they feel about it? Why must they try to shape a bullshit narrative.

It's an opinion piece. The facts are correct. The rest is opinion. You can agree, disagree, be triggered by it, or disregard it. Up to you :shrug:

Then he good

Man, I'm beyond ****ing ready for this ordeal to be over.

"Abusers typically deny that they did anything wrong. It's quite common behavior."

Hill: "But I'm not an abuser"

"THAT'S JUST WHAT AN ABUSER WOULD SAY!!!!"

Newspaper editorial boards are jokes. They think they have some sort of authority on telling the public how they should think on any particular issue.

What a crock.

Traditional news media is a joke, and the Hill situation has exposed that in the KC area.

Yes it's an opinion piece, but when it's filled with statements like this, they are intentionally trying to pass off opinion as fact:

"What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video."

Oh really? That's quite an assumption. Two can play that game.

"What Espinal was trying to get is leverage to extort Hill, because she's a sociopath and knows Hill is leaving her."

Prove me wrong.

I’m sure TH’s agent feels this way, and I’d assume the Chiefs organization does as well, but at some point very soon, a concerted effort should be made to rehabilitate Hill’s image. Barring any further revelations, recordings, or hit pieces, it would seem obvious that neither Hill personally, the Chiefs organization, nor especially the NFL, want this lingering into the season. Opposing fan bases won’t care what the facts are, but the NFL can’t go into the regular season with ambiguity about such a high profile case. Something needs to break big and soon.

When I hear it this way, I get even more infuriated!!! There’s no winning with these idiots!

NFL needs to get a ruling and get this squashed. We need training camp and some wins under our belt so we can get back to talking football again

It's really infuriating for the local paper to basically call for one of the teams best players to be suspended when we are going for a bowl this year.

Do they need a suspension as some type of validation that they are right? Is that really what this is about in the end?

They refuse to admit they are wrong or offer apology, another than Sam The Man.

They think they are morally right, which supersedes the law or logic.

**** 'em.

That's what happens when you hire people from outside your area to cover your sports who also come in with an agenda.

A couple of points. They say it is typical for an abuser to deny... Why also didn't they say it's typical for an abuser's behavior not to change. Hill had no history of his abuse before OKC 2014 and he has had none since. That doesn't jive with their narrative.

I also love the liberal editorial board not understanding what most conservatives even get: We do have a two tiered justice system and if you are black and out of money and relegated to a public defender after being accused of punching and choking your pregnant girlfriend in Oklahoma, you plea, especially if it is expunged after 3 years and your are 19.

Also, if the evidence of this abuse in 2014 was concrete and graphic, do you think the prosecutor goes with this being expunged after 3 years, or should it be on his record?

Also do you think the judge would have said what he said during the sentencing if the evidence of this horrible abuse was evident and without doubt?

SJWs on their high horses and contradicting previous positions...:rolleyes:

I was fully certain that Pryor viewed this exactly like Joe Mixon and she used that story to get a promotion....it's really ****ed up when the whole department does it and basically doubles and triples down on it.

The "news" has been merely a vehicle to sell ads for quite a while now. It's just like reality TV; no actors or writers!
It should be easy: Something happens, then reporters report what happened.
The story itself should be enough, otherwise why report it? But that's not good enough anymore, a lot of people want to be told how they should feel about any particular event.
Traditional news media can't die quick enough for me.

I didn't know you were a witness to the situation....good to know

Assume for a moment that this eventually does blow over, Hill serves whatever suspension he's going to get, and football resumes as normal. If you're Hill, when the time comes, ask yourself why the **** you would want to re-sign to play in this market.

#BelieveAllWomen

KCStar: #EspeciallyTheFatOnesWhoAreReporters

Mahomes.

It'll be worse elsewhere....go look at what people are saying elsewhere, anyone who is not a chiefs fan basically calls him "human garbage that deserves to be in prison"

It’s a character assignation on Hill specifically. If it was only about facts and opinions they wouldn’t omit every fact that could possibly contribute to both sides of the story or possibly make Hill seem better.

Gotta be a couple exceptions to that, yeah? I'm sure fans of the Browns or the Faid would welcome him with open arms.

They're probably going to offer you the most money. The NFL is still littered with SJW owners and GMs, like the dozens of butt****ing morons who took Hill completely off their draft boards without getting to know the guy at all in the pre-draft process.

Check and mate. Nice move, Discuss.

This is absolutely nuts.

So a doctored audio that assumes absolute guilt that turns out to be an audio that creates a ton of reasonable doubt is... Worse?

The worst part is, in doubling down on this ridiculous idea they also doubled down on their horseshit one sided journalism. They say he is guilty because he denies anything has ever happened. I've yet to see a single story from the Star that investigated that other side to see if tyreek was telling the truth. Maybe the Star should have went that route instead of doubling down on their mistakes.

A lot of that is because they don't want to deal with stuff like this...they know the media will ask the questions about pry into shit constantly and they don't want the headache. No one likes answering questions like "are you anti woman" "this tells people that abusing women is ok"

So they just avoid it.

Exhibit A: What's behind the Kansas City Chiefs' brutal history of domestic violence?

Work with Arrowhead Pride, Arrowhead Addict and The Athletic.

Work with Television stations that have given you fair run.

Spend a LOT of time with Soren Petro, who has been critical but fair and now occupies a hell of a time slot. Spend equal time with Carrington Harrison and his team, who did some heavy lifting to get that report out in the media.

There are a myriad of avenues available to the Chiefs that will only serve to further undermine the credibility of outlets that have demonstrated a pattern of antagonism towards Hill and the Chiefs.

This is a far cry from Whitlock's days of "King Carl!!!" or even Kent Babbs brutal 'Arrowhead Anxiety' piece, which was the beginning of the end for Pioli in Kansas City. Those were exceptionally pointed attacks on the Chiefs but they were straightforward and fair. Moreover, they weren't personal hatchet pieces like the shit that's been flung at Hill and to a lesser extent, Clark and Hardman.

You have to cut the Stars nuts off right now. Make this hurt them. Badly.

Pretty much......a reporter did this with Frank Clark in Seattle when he was breaking out, so he probably not smartly tweeted at her "reporters like you don't last long, can clean my fish tank when you get fired"

Bet you can't guess what she did with that....

Wait, what shit has been flung at Hardman?

Well, I think for one, he wouldn't have to deal with the rehashing of this in the media of his new team and city... Most Chief fans understand the situation now and I believe his teammates know what was portrayed was not him.

Brooke dug up some dumb shit he tweeted when he was a teenager.

Pryor (surprise) dug up 'homophobic' Tweets from him back when he was !@#$ing 13 years old.

She's really a piece of shit.

Here - a secondhand report on it so you don't have to give Pryor a click:

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/...229749379.html

Oh, that's interesting. He gets that in April and then a puff piece in June.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs WR Mecole Hardman on homophobic tweets sent when he was a teen: <br><br>&quot;That’s not who I am today.<br><br>“It’s a really immature decision on my part to even tweet anything like that.&quot;<a href="https://t.co/vYpkl8fIdZ">https://t.co/vYpkl8fIdZ</a></p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1121966445255172102?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs rookie Mecole Hardman is a lot of things to a lot of people: son, brother, football star, wide receiver, second-round draft pick.<br><br>To the special needs students in Elbert County, Georgia, he&#39;s a true friend. <a href="https://t.co/9IDJvxgcj9">https://t.co/9IDJvxgcj9</a></p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1144250016464363521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Not that I want to white knight Pryor here, but ever since Hader and Trubisky, pro agents need to tell these dipshits to completely nuke their social media presences.

That's who Brooke Pryor is, her first big break came from basically covering Joe Mixon being a piece of shit so she will always be looking for that...She probably has a lot of personal disdain for the Chiefs organization if you've ever listened to her personal views of womens issues.

She has a personal disdain for the sport of football.

Sure.

Because pondscum like Brooke Pryor will go looking to dig it up.

I don't know if there's a legal reason to not back off, too. Their lawyers may be telling them that they're open for a lawsuit if they back off, so they're doubling down.

In my previous consulting life, I distinctly remember a meeting where I was a consultant in the room, and there was a lawyer and a client talking. There was an error in a report that was obvious and agreed-on by all parties, but the lawyer's client didn't want to change the report because it would make the report more vulnerable to legal challenge, and the report was controversial. The conversation went something like this.

Client: We need to correct the report.

Lawyer: Nope. The report is done.

Client: But there's an error in it. It needs to be corrected.

Lawyer: Nope.

Client: But the report is recommending actions based on faulty data. Correcting the data changes the recommendations.

Lawyer: But the report is done and it's not being changed. Therefore, the recommendations stand.

Client: But we all agree that the analysis has an error in it, and we all agree that the report therefore contains recommendations that are incorrect as a result. And we paid for the report.

Lawyer: Doesn't matter. The report is done.

It was pretty eye-opening to watch. The consultant doing the report and their attorney didn't care about doing the right thing. They only cared about not admitting that they were wrong and having their work called into question, even though everyone in the room already knew their work was wrong.

Holy cow. That's amazing.

Being a celebrity these days is tough. You have people gunning for you the second you emerge.

Trust me, she’s doing her job my man - chill. KC sports fans are very lucky to have so many great reporters covering their teams.
Terez on Pryor SMH