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Iowanian 07-22-2019 08:11 PM

Tom Brady open mouth kisses little boys.

Fornicate your grandmother, pats.

MMXcalibur 07-22-2019 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 14358215)
Who gives a f? It's twitter, which is full of douchebags and reeruns.

Amen to this.

007 07-22-2019 11:50 PM

Amnorix, I really don't get you at times. You are a great poster with good football knowledge. Generally a go with the flow guy. But the second anything anti patriots comes up you go into homer mode. Now thats fine on Patriotsplanet of course, but the constant white knighting you do for your team on an opposing teams message board, that isn't even in the same division? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

eDave 07-22-2019 11:55 PM

They know their days are numbered. Everyone does.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-23-2019 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 14359730)
They know their days are numbered. Everyone does.

I'm going to tell you why they act the way they do, and what they're REALLY worried about, even if they won't admit it, or if it is simply subconscious to some of them:

What the trashy Pat fan fear's the most is the absolutely harrowing reality that there now exists not only a quarterback, but a well led team that could realistically obliterate the holy, vaunted Patriot record book.
There are as many super bowl rings and trophies available as Andy Reid wants to reach out and grasp in his rib loving fingers. Read is the offensive equivalent of bilichek in this league, and the Pats fans know it. When you add in a defensive coordinator ( who has been straight GRINDING compared to any DC that this franchise has had in forever ) with a proven track record of beating not only the Patriots, but the skill and talent necessary to go toe-to-toe with any team in the league, it becomes painfully obvious to Pat fan and the biased sports press on the coasts, that the Chiefs are gearing up for a VERY long run of dominance.

Granted, we have to go out there and prove it and we will. can you think of another quarterback and head coach tandem in this league who are as talented or THAT driven to succeed?

Yeah, me neither.

And the quarterback is just getting started!

AdolfOliverBush 07-23-2019 09:58 AM

Ah, the Spoiled Child Syndrome. Rather than enjoy the historic run his favorite team has been on for years, he's whining like a little bitch because their time is almost over.

Don't worry Davy-poo, you can reminisce about the Belichick era forever, like Al Bundy and his four-touchdown game.

RunKC 07-24-2019 10:07 PM

I’ve had my fill of these assholes. Seriously, I’ve reached a point of Patriots fatigue where I just want their fans to die in a fire.

Why did it have to be Alex Smith that had his leg snap in half? Why couldn’t it have been Brady?

007 07-25-2019 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14363307)
I’ve had my fill of these assholes. Seriously, I’ve reached a point of Patriots fatigue where I just want their fans to die in a fire.

Why did it have to be Alex Smith that had his leg snap in half? Why couldn’t it have been Brady?

Well, just remember, the last time Brady had a season ending injury they still went 11-5 with some jackass named Cassel.

BlackOp 07-25-2019 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14359017)
Father Time is threatening to end their dynasty.

Shit...the only thing threatening their "dynasty" is if the officials quit handing them games in the final quarter.

In 2017...the Texans game ends on a game winning TD, which on replay, hits the ground. Doesn't matter...replay booth upholds it. They legitimately lost that game if its called like everyone else. Terrific Tom gets another heroic comeback.

Steelers playoff game...Pittsburgh scores with 30 seconds left. The officials take the TD off which allows NE to advance to the AFCCG vs. the Jags. That was one of the worst hose-jobs I've seen in a big game...worse than even some Chiefs post-season calls...and that's saying something. I would have, legit, quit watching the NFL if that had been KC.

Jags AFCCG...Jacksonville is dominating them until some controversial PI calls allows "terrific" Tom to comeback, late. Had this been called like everyone else...Jaguars are in the SB.

Chiefs AFCCG....Edleman muffs the return. There is not enough clear evidence to overturn the call on the field and it takes them 5 minutes to manufacture a reason. It's supposed to be "overwhelming" for them to over-ride the call. **** it, maybe he touched it, maybe he didn't..let's just give it to NE. Of course, this is in the 4th quarter. At this time, no one knew KC would intercept Brady a few pays later. It was a momentum killer. Hogan lets a pass hit the ground and its called a catch...challenged, upheld...of course. Jones is called for a fake ruffing call...again, all in the 4th quarter. Ford called for a neutral zone...which they are supposed to alert the coach about before calling it. Whatever..

Their last two SB appearances have only occurred due to 4th quarter officiating. They lose THREE times without it. (Steelers, Jags, Chiefs).

Their fans just expect everything to work out for them...because it always does. ALWAYS. They are a fake dynasty...and nearly every post-season team could get to the SB if all 4th quarter calls benefited them.

BlackOp 07-25-2019 03:40 AM

The Chiefs arent getting to the SB until the officiating starts to be, at least, neutral. Doesn't matter how great Mahomes is...they can simply wipe a late TD, allow a WR to push off on a final play (and later apologize for it)...or call zero penalties for the entire game.

NE will go every year if it stays the way it's been...

007 07-25-2019 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14363418)
The Chiefs arent getting to the SB until the officiating starts to be, at least, neutral. Doesn't matter how great Mahomes is...they can simply wipe a late TD...or call zero penalties for the entire game.

NE will go every year if it stays the way it's been...

I'm kind of wondering how many tyreek TDs will get get magically called back this year.

BlackOp 07-25-2019 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 14363421)
I'm kind of wondering how many tyreek TDs will get get magically called back this year.

It depends...if the NFL wants KC in the SB, it will happen. They will just ignore/control pivotal calls to "allow" them to win. We've seen it with Brady, Manning,...Brees.

I always worry about teams getting a new stadium... they gave the Rams a SB appearance last year. Saints fans nearly set their city on fire and put up billboards...the SB had it's lowest rating in 10 years. Do they try to invent a Chargers SB this year...and give Rivers a legacy gift? 2019 is his last shot... They did that for HGH-Head, so who ****ing knows.

007 07-25-2019 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14363425)
It depends...if the NFL wants KC in the SB, it will happen. They will just ignore/control pivotal calls to "allow" them to win. We've seen it with Brady, Manning,...Brees.

I always worry about teams getting a new stadium... they gave the Rams a SB appearance last year. Saints fans nearly set their city on fire and put up billboards...the SB had it's lowest rating in 10 years. Do they try to invent a Chargers SB this year...and give Rivers a legacy gift? 2019 is his last shot... They did that for HGH-Head, so who ****ing knows.

Chargers can barely fill a soccer stadium.

BlackOp 07-25-2019 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 14363429)
Chargers can barely fill a soccer stadium.

True...and I dont think the NFL owners are as adamant about the success of the Chargers as they are of the Rams. They kind of just got dumped on LA...

They are pulling the strings that they can...getting the national press to award them SB favorites.

It defies logic that they would be considered...given how they had their ass handed to them by the Patriots. Injuries had nothing to do with it...they were just out-coached. It didn't even give the refs a chance to rig it for the Patriots.

Chargers should legitimately be considered for wild card favorites...the press seems to think they are some powerhouse. They arent...it's manufactured. It's definitely weird...considering Mahomes is a far superior QB than Rivers...and Reid is in another class than Anthony Lynn.

River's best season was 32 TDs....PM threw 50 in his first year starting. Yeah...reality vs. media hype.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-25-2019 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14363307)
I’ve had my fill of these assholes. Seriously, I’ve reached a point of Patriots fatigue where I just want their fans to die in a fire.

Why did it have to be Alex Smith that had his leg snap in half? Why couldn’t it have been Brady?

Or BOTH! A double whammy of fate filled deliciousness!

Sigh... What could have been...

rtmike 07-25-2019 06:30 AM

So Mr. Amnorix.
Why have you not spoke about the similarities with the publics distain for Kraft and ‘Reek?
I think we’re all being a little hypocritical, lol?

Amnorix 07-25-2019 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 14358451)
If I was a Pat's fan I'd be mad too. They cant cover him.


Not that anyone can really cover him, but that one catch for 42 yards in the AFCCG suggests the Patriots can do it as well as most anyone.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 14358833)
And here is the irony. You downplaying the media's story about a person in your organization as you look down at Chief fans for doing the same with their player.

If Edleman had this Tyreek stuff happen and the only evidence was him saying that on tape, in addition to the charges being dropped, you really would calling for his release? Or not root for him? Or what is it you want KC fans to do?

I'm not even trying to rag on you or Pats fans. Every fan base does this, including the Chiefs. It's funny seeing fans believe a story when it's against a player they don't support or expecting high morality, but when it's their own player or owner or whatever, that's when they actually dive into the details and are shocked when others don't do the same.


Actually, the only thing I'm saying is that the Commissioner's conduct policy is completely inconsistent and nonsensical. As I said before, I don't think what Hill did warrants suspension, but it's very hard to reconcile with other punishments Goodell has handed down, especially the long suspension he gave to Ezekiel Elliot.

All I really want is a better process from the NFL. One that isn't completely arbitrary and not subject to review by anyone else.

But the only way to get that, really, is for the NFLPA to get it through the new CBA. That will be difficult, to say the least.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tatorhog (Post 14358842)
no love for Tony Eason? geez


No Patriots fan has any love for Eason either.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14358864)
There you go- you answered your own rant.

Makes a Big difference when and where those games are scheduled.

Example. Chiefs play Texans at home and 4 days later have to be in Denver to play a division opponent in the mountain air. Yep, a little tougher game based on the scheduling. :rolleyes:

You guys were having a very average year last season- then get to play the last two game at home against shit teams to get some starters rested.

But if you ask any Pats fans including you; you Always have the toughest Division; Always have the toughest schedule; Never get Any calls your way; have Never bent the rules; spied on other teams practices; cheated; deflated balls; done Anything unethical; and Never received 1 single break by the NFL or the refs EVER!!!!

It is no wonder why the rest of the NFL thinks you guys are whiney, entitled, arrogant, hypocrites.

Contary to the popular belief, the Patriots DON'T have is the WEAKEST division in the history of the universe, like some here claim. Did Peyton have any real competition in the AFC South all those years? How about the Packers in the consistently mediocre NFC North? Sure, other teams would sometimes have a good year or two, but then they'd flame out pretty fast.

If you look at the stats of AFC East teams versus teams in other divisions, you'll see a few things:

1. the record of the Patriots INSIDE AND OUTSIDE the division is about the same. In other words, they kick the AFC East's ass, but they also kick pretty much everyone else's ass also.

2. The record of the other AFC East teams versus the other divisions is not terrible.

But hey, stats don't matter to anti-Patriot haters. At least, if it doesn't fit the narrative they want to spin.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 07:31 AM

Stats (since the start of 2001):

vs AFC East: 86-24 (.782 win percentage)

vs. everyone else (134-44) (.753)

vs. teams that won their division that season: 24-14 (.632) (only team with a winning record in that stat)

vs teams that went to the playoffs that season: 60-33 (.645) (only team with a winning record in that stat; Steelers .480)

vs teams that finished with a winning record that season: 75-45 (.625) (only team with a winning record in that stat; Steelers .440)


Since 2003 the record inside/outside the division is even closer:

The Patriots are 71-19 since 2003 in the AFC East. That’s a .788 winning percentage. Outside the division, they are 118-32 (.786).

Amnorix 07-25-2019 07:41 AM

Last one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-d9u2XWsAAU9cP.jpg

Titty Meat 07-25-2019 07:58 AM

Show them my thread

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=318181

notorious 07-25-2019 09:22 AM

NE has reinvented itself so many times it's mind-boggling.

I just shrug my shoulders and know that they have been the best for a long time. Great head coach that constantly molds his team to what is needed. Great QB that is willing to kill his first born to achieve success. They get players that fit the mold.

The don't accept failure on any terms.


I have the utmost respect for the team, coach, and players for NE. They've earned it.

I don't really give a **** about the fans, because we are all pretty much the same no matter what team.

One thing I laugh at is the fan that pounds his chest like he's accomplished something because the team he cheers for wins a SB.

Halfcan 07-25-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14363529)
Contary to the popular belief, the Patriots DON'T have is the WEAKEST division in the history of the universe, like some here claim. Did Peyton have any real competition in the AFC South all those years? How about the Packers in the consistently mediocre NFC North? Sure, other teams would sometimes have a good year or two, but then they'd flame out pretty fast.

If you look at the stats of AFC East teams versus teams in other divisions, you'll see a few things:

1. the record of the Patriots INSIDE AND OUTSIDE the division is about the same. In other words, they kick the AFC East's ass, but they also kick pretty much everyone else's ass also.

2. The record of the other AFC East teams versus the other divisions is not terrible.

But hey, stats don't matter to anti-Patriot haters. At least, if it doesn't fit the narrative they want to spin.

Post all the stats you want- but the fact is you get to play the Jets, Bills and Fins 6 times a year. An automatic Division title and home Playoff game. Heck of an advantage.

Like I said- according to you- the Pats have the toughest schedule, never got any breaks, toughest division, never did anything unethical. The Perfect Patriots are Perfect!!! :rolleyes:

Wouldn't an "anti" Patriot hater actually be a fan? So on this point, I will agree, Patriot fans spin stats to fit whatever narrative that makes their team look perfect. I think you got carried away there with your Patriot propaganda spamming.

arrwheader 07-25-2019 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14363543)

Your division is trash. Did you miss something? Did I miss something? Are we having this conversation in a reality you created to fit your narrative?

Back to the real world, your division is absolute garbage and has been for a looooong time. That's like bragging about beating up on reeruned kids.

gtfo with this shit.

Halfcan 07-25-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 14363733)
Your division is trash. Did you miss something? Did I miss something? Are we having this conversation in a reality you created to fit your narrative?

Back to the real world, your division is absolute garbage and has been for a looooong time. That's like bragging about beating up on reeruned kids.

gtfo with this shit.

According to Pats fans- they have the toughest division ever in the history of football and have memes to prove it. Every year they have the hardest schedule and have to climb Mt. Everest barefoot to win every game.

But the Pats are the bestest most perfect team ever!! Every 3 yard Brady checkdown is a perfect spiral and the best ever thrown. Best fans, even though they leave at half time if the Pats are not winning. Every player that has put on a Pats uniform is the best there ever was, even if they were injury prone half their career. Even their beer vendors get there 30 seconds faster than the rest of the NFL and the beer is 1.2 degrees colder - they have stats to prove it!! There is not one thing the Pats have done or will do that is not Perfect in every single way. Patriots and Perfect are synonyms.

jettio 07-25-2019 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14363523)
Actually, the only thing I'm saying is that the Commissioner's conduct policy is completely inconsistent and nonsensical. As I said before, I don't think what Hill did warrants suspension, but it's very hard to reconcile with other punishments Goodell has handed down, especially the long suspension he gave to Ezekiel Elliot.

All I really want is a better process from the NFL. One that isn't completely arbitrary and not subject to review by anyone else.

But the only way to get that, really, is for the NFLPA to get it through the new CBA. That will be difficult, to say the least.

The decision to not punish Tyreek is arguably the least arbitrary decision that was ever made by NFL since white NFL fandom overreaction to Pac Man Jones was mollified by giving Roger Goodell too much independent say in punishing players..

Tyreek sat down for 8 and 1/2 hours for what I think was a transcribed session. Methinks that the only reason the stuff is confidential is because it would humiliate the people that lined up to **** Tyreek into marrying into sharing 5 years 100 million as spouses when he saw the warning signs indicating that it would be better to not get married and co-parent and pay child support if the judge says so.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14363678)
Post all the stats you want- but the fact is you get to play the Jets, Bills and Fins 6 times a year. An automatic Division title and home Playoff game. Heck of an advantage.

You think the Pats would've done much worse in the AFC South all those years when the Jags/Texans/Tits sucked? How 'about the NFC North with the Vikes/Lions/BEars?

Did the NFC West put up much resistance to the Niners when they were on top?


Quote:

Like I said- according to you- the Pats have the toughest schedule, never got any breaks, toughest division, never did anything unethical. The Perfect Patriots are Perfect!!! :rolleyes:

Literally never said any of those things, but whatever floats your boat.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arrwheader (Post 14363733)
Your division is trash. Did you miss something? Did I miss something? Are we having this conversation in a reality you created to fit your narrative?

Back to the real world, your division is absolute garbage and has been for a looooong time. That's like bragging about beating up on reeruned kids.

gtfo with this shit.


Patriots have drilled everyone, inside the AFCE or not. You can ignore all the evidence if you want, but it is what it is.

Frazod 07-25-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364149)
Patriots have drilled everyone, inside the AFCE or not. You can ignore all the evidence if you want, but it is what it is.

Yeah, basically getting five extra byes a year (Miami tends to play well at home) for over a decade never enters into it at all. Sorry, but that it is what it is too, douche.

Every year the division is gifted to the Cheatriots. No other team in the AFC East has been relevant forever. They draft poorly, trade poorly, are coached poorly, and for some reason never get any better. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14364162)
Yeah, basically getting five extra byes a year (Miami tends to play well at home) for over a decade never enters into it at all. Sorry, but that it is what it is too, douche.

Right, because the Patriots would've STRUGGLED if they had, say, swapped with the Colts and had to deal with the Tits/Jags/Texans all those years. Oh wait, they've actually mopped the floor with them.

Just as they have the NFC North.

And the NFC West.

Besides -- in what universe has this EVER been used to undermine a team's dominance? Did anyone ever say "wow, the NFC West was WEAK outside of the Niners. NO WONDER they dominated all those years..." Not that i can recall.

:rolleyes:

Frazod 07-25-2019 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364167)
Right, because the Patriots would've STRUGGLED if they had, say, swapped with the Colts and had to deal with the Tits/Jags/Texans all those years. Oh wait, they've actually mopped the floor with them.

Just as they have the NFC North.

And the NFC West.

Besides -- in what universe has this EVER been used to undermine a team's dominance? Did anyone ever say "wow, the NFC West was WEAK outside of the Niners. NO WONDER they dominated all those years..." Not that i can recall.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, because vs. Jets/@ Bills/vs. Colts is exactly the same thing as vs. Broncos/@ Chargers/vs. Colts.

:rolleyes: indeed

Amnorix 07-25-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 14364169)
Yeah, because vs. Jets/@ Bills/vs. Colts is exactly the same thing as vs. Broncos/@ Chargers/vs. Colts.

:rolleyes: indeed


What are you talking about? If the question is "has the AFC West been better than the AFC East for the last 20 years" then obviously the answer is yes. Not like that fact has robbed the Chiefs of any championships, but it's been a tougher road for you than for MOST teams in MOST divisions, because the AFC West has been one of hte better divisions over the last 20 years.

My point isn't AFCE > AFCW. It's that AFCE (other than Pats) isn't really any worse than AFCS (other than Peyton) or NFCN (other than Packers) over the last 20 years. Or NFCW (other than Seahawks) also, to be honest.

Painting the AFC East as the BY FAR worst division in the NFL over the last 20 years is just inaccurate.

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 03:39 PM

<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1564090767"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ab7jlv/2018_update_division_winners_since_realignment/">2018 Update: Division Winners since Realignment</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl">r/nfl</a></blockquote>
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Wallcrawler 07-25-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364191)
<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1564090767"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ab7jlv/2018_update_division_winners_since_realignment/">2018 Update: Division Winners since Realignment</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl">r/nfl</a></blockquote>
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Ha ha. Yeah, AFCE looking SUPER competitive!

Pats have a ****in ticket punched to the playoffs as soon as season opens. As long as winning your division guarantees a spot, theyve got a red carpet.

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364176)

Painting the AFC East as the BY FAR worst division in the NFL over the last 20 years is just inaccurate.

Actually.... ROFLROFL

Amnorix 07-25-2019 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 14364197)
Ha ha. Yeah, AFCE looking SUPER competitive!

Pats have a ****in ticket punched to the playoffs as soon as season opens. As long as winning your division guarantees a spot, theyve got a red carpet.


You're surprised the most dominant dynasty in NFL history has won its division every year during its run, except when Brady was injured?

You know the Niners won 11 out of 13 right?

Oh, let me help you with the Steelers in the 70s:

1972 Steelers
1973 Bengals
1974 Steelers
1975 Steelers
1976 Steelers
1977 Steelers
1978 Steelers
1979 Steelers


Dynasties start by winning their division all the damn time. It's kinda step one...

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364207)
You're surprised the most dominant dynasty in NFL history has won its division every year during its run, except when Brady was injured?

You know the Niners won 11 out of 13 right?

Oh, let me help you with the Steelers in the 70s:

1972 Steelers
1973 Bengals
1974 Steelers
1975 Steelers
1976 Steelers
1977 Steelers
1978 Steelers
1979 Steelers


Dynasties start by winning their division all the damn time. It's kinda step one...

Talk about moving the goalpost, you keep touting the last 20 years, not you want to talk about football in a different era?

Amnorix 07-25-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364211)
Talk about moving the goalpost, you keep touting the last 20 years, not you want to talk about football in a different era?


I'm pointing out that dynastic teams dominate their division for very long periods of time. Showing that the Patriots have dominated the AFC East doesn't prove that the AFC East (outside of the Patriots) have sucked for the last 20 years.

Yes, the Patriots have dominated the AFCE. They've also dominated just about every other division in football during that same timeframe.

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 04:00 PM

<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1564092033"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/679cth/team_division_records_since_2002_realignment/">Team &amp; Division Records Since 2002 Re-Alignment</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl">r/nfl</a></blockquote>
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SAUTO 07-25-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364191)
<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1564090767"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ab7jlv/2018_update_division_winners_since_realignment/">2018 Update: Division Winners since Realignment</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl">r/nfl</a></blockquote>
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posting the winning percentage of the teams in the division would be a better way to show how good a division is IMO.

Of course the best team in football wins their division (I'm still betting it's the worst or close to it but there's no defense to that)

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364215)
I'm pointing out that dynastic teams dominate their division for very long periods of time. Showing that the Patriots have dominated the AFC East doesn't prove that the AFC East (outside of the Patriots) have sucked for the last 20 years.

Yes, the Patriots have dominated the AFCE. They've also dominated just about every other division in football during that same timeframe.

Actually....ROFLROFL

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 04:02 PM

The AFC East does have the best overall record, however they are also propped up significantly by the Patriots. The other 3 teams in the division rank 19th, 22nd, and 26th in overall record. For reference, the divisions in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th place each have 3 teams with a better overall record than the AFC East's second best team, the NY Jets

Amnorix 07-25-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364223)
The AFC East does have the best overall record, however they are also propped up significantly by the Patriots. The other 3 teams in the division rank 19th, 22nd, and 26th in overall record. For reference, the divisions in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th place each have 3 teams with a better overall record than the AFC East's second best team, the NY Jets


Not sure what you're looking at, but -- if you're including the losses to the Patriots, you're punishing the other three teams for being in the same division as the Patriots and having to play them twice. Essentially giving those three teams a combined 5-6 losses PER YEAR for all of the years covered.

So this stat is weird, but useful. It's the record of each division since 2000 against ALL OTHER divisions, but EXCLUDING whatever team won the division that year (so, exclude the Patriots themselves most years, as well as whichever team won the various other divisions in any given year).


But again, this isn't fair to the AFC East. What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?



Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457
NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451
NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439
AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425
AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422
AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420
NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417
NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401



It looks like -- between the Patriots EQUAL domination inside and outside the AFCE, and the AFCE's (other than Pats) not-bad showing against other divisions (outside of their division's champ that year), that the AFC East doesn't suck as horrifically as Patriots haters suggest.

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364233)
Not sure what you're looking at, but -- if you're including the losses to the Patriots, you're punishing the other three teams for being in the same division as the Patriots and having to play them twice. Essentially giving those three teams a combined 5-6 losses PER YEAR for all of the years covered.

So this stat is weird, but useful. It's the record of each division since 2000 against ALL OTHER divisions, but EXCLUDING whatever team won the division that year (so, exclude the Patriots themselves most years, as well as whichever team won the various other divisions in any given year).


But again, this isn't fair to the AFC East. What happens when we remove every season's division winners from each division?



Division W - L - T Win Percentage

AFC East 395 - 469 - 0 .457
NFC East 390 - 472 - 2 .451
NFC South 394 - 501 - 2 .439
AFC North 368 - 493 - 4 .425
AFC South 365 - 499 - 0 .422
AFC West 363 - 501 - 0 .420
NFC North 361 - 502 - 2 .417
NFC West 347 - 515 - 4 .401



It looks like -- between the Patriots EQUAL domination inside and outside the AFCE, and the AFCE's (other than Pats) not-bad showing against other divisions (outside of their division's champ that year), that the AFC East doesn't suck as horrifically as Patriots haters suggest.

Is this guy for real? He talks about how the divisions matter then when you show him he decides to take out the winners? That was the freaking point.
ROFLROFLROFL

Chief Pagan 07-25-2019 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364167)

And the NFC West.

Besides -- in what universe has this EVER been used to undermine a team's dominance? Did anyone ever say "wow, the NFC West was WEAK outside of the Niners. NO WONDER they dominated all those years..." Not that i can recall.

:rolleyes:

I’m pretty sure my 49ers coworkers got sick of me talking about what an advantage SF had that they played in a weak ass division that let them not only coast to home field advantage but they could also rest their starters in the fourth quarter.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364242)
Is this guy for real? He talks about how the divisions matter then when you show him he decides to take out the winners? That was the freaking point.
ROFLROFLROFL


You don't seem to understand what I'm posting at all.

How would YOU compare the non-Patriot AFC East's strength over the last 20 years? You can't just compare how the divisions in total have done against each other -- the AFC East looks GREAT, but it's skewed by teh Patriots themselves winning at such a high percentage.

So you can look at how the AFC East has done (excluding Pats) against the other divisions, but that isn't really fair either. You're top-weighting the other division by including their champ team.

If you're trying to determine how difficult the Patriots road to the division crown was, compared to the road other division winners had, doesn't it make sense to look at how the non-division winners have done against teams OUTSIDE their own division?

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364251)
You don't seem to understand what I'm posting at all.

How would YOU compare the non-Patriot AFC East's strength over the last 20 years? You can't just compare how the divisions in total have done against each other -- the AFC East looks GREAT, but it's skewed by teh Patriots themselves winning at such a high percentage.

So you can look at how the AFC East has done (excluding Pats) against the other divisions, but that isn't really fair either. You're top-weighting the other division by including their champ team.

If you're trying to determine how difficult the Patriots road to the division crown was, compared to the road other division winners had, doesn't it make sense to look at how the non-division winners have done against teams OUTSIDE their own division?

You were the one defending your division, not really understanding how bad it is.
THEN you lose that argument and decide to remove division winners altogether and compare the divisions.
We might as well pretend NE is in the AFC W and get rid of the Raiders, you really think you win all those division titles?
Your division is KEY to NE and their success... period, end of discussion.
By your reasoning look at YOUR divisions record against other divisions not the other divisions against eachother.

BlackOp 07-25-2019 04:28 PM

I cant imagine rooting for a team where in the post-season...you never even think of the refs screwing you out of a win. Their worst case scenario is an evenly called contest.

I cant imagine having zero penalties in their biggest game of the regular season...when there is evidence some were committed.

It really never crosses Patriot fans mind...that they could possibly lose because of the officials.

Its the #1 thing I worry about when the Chiefs play in important games...."how bad are they going to get ****ed ...and do they have a big enough lead to beat the calls".

Chiefs could have been to multiple SB if the refs decided to take game winning TDs off the board...or call bogus PI at critical junctures...or rule incomplete passes as legit.

NE is a good team...but their "dynasty" is heavily aided by beneficial calls.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364256)
You were the one defending your division, not really understanding how bad it is. THEN you lose that argument and decide to remove division winners altogether and compare the divisions.

WTF are you talking about?

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We might as well pretend NE is in the AFC W and get rid of the Raiders, you really think you win all those division titles?
In other words, if you turn the AFC West into the by-far best division in the NFL by adding to the Patriots to it, do the Pats win all those division championships? No. Do they win most of them? Yes. Will they lose some of the bye years? Yes.

But it's a ridiculous hypothetical. If we put the Niners into the NFC East years ago and removed the weakest link -- the Eagles -- does that affect anything? Well, duh, yes.

A more realistic change is to swap the Pats (AFCE) and Colts (AFCS). Does much change? Nope.

Pats for Pack (NFCN). Much change? Nope.

YOUR argument is that the AFC East has offered no competition for the Patriots. Putting the Patriots into a division that had NO very weak teams doesn't make much sense. No team in the NFL has had to deal with that.

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Your division is KEY to NE and their success... period, end of discussion. By your reasoning look at YOUR divisions record against other divisions not the other divisions against eachother.
Does that final sentence say what you want it to? I did look at the AFC East against other divisions. That's what I posted.

BlackOp 07-25-2019 04:40 PM

Amnorix...give one example of the Patriots/Brady losing on bogus officiating...just one besides the 2015 Doink game...where it was Manning's retirement season.

You cant...and you know it. Definitely never in the post-season.

I can list 5 in that past 2 years for the Chiefs...including 3 play-off loses...one of which forced the official to retire.

KCTitus 07-25-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14364262)
...It really never crosses Patriot fans mind...that they could possibly lose because of the officials...

Ironically, the last time they lost on a late penalty was during the referee strike and a Brady TD pass was overturned by offensive PI...I think it was on Gronk. Those referees had no agenda or allegiance to NE or the NFL. I loved every minute of the replacement referees.

KC came back from a 3 score deficit to win a game that required 3 calls to be reviewed and overturned against NO...I dont think that's ever happened before or since the regular refs have been in place.

I'm hoping KC starts getting a few calls and I'll have the sack to acknowledge it and agree unlike patriot fans.

Lprechaun 07-25-2019 04:48 PM

Its like talking to a brick wall.
My good friend as a NE fan is the same way....
but when I asked him how much a fan he was before Kraft bought them he said he wasnt really in to football.
Let em have their rings, once the "dynasty" is over they will scatter like cockroaches and we wont see their fans visiting other teams forums.
Northeast mentality

Sorce 07-25-2019 04:51 PM

Can we stop with the great defensive plan by the pats nonsense. They got away with defensive holding on our receivers the entire first half.

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SAUTO 07-25-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorce (Post 14364282)
Can we stop with the great defensive plan by the pats nonsense. They got away with defensive holding on our receivers the entire first half.

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Honestly that was a great game plan. It worked

underEJ 07-25-2019 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364167)
Right, because the Patriots would've STRUGGLED if they had, say, swapped with the Colts and had to deal with the Tits/Jags/Texans all those years. Oh wait, they've actually mopped the floor with them.

Just as they have the NFC North.

And the NFC West.

Besides -- in what universe has this EVER been used to undermine a team's dominance? Did anyone ever say "wow, the NFC West was WEAK outside of the Niners. NO WONDER they dominated all those years..." Not that i can recall.

:rolleyes:

Actually that was the dominant argument, that indeed the 49ers waltzed into the playoffs every year.

Sorce 07-25-2019 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14364285)
Honestly that was a great game plan. It worked

Touche

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Amnorix 07-25-2019 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14364273)
Amnorix...give one example of the Patriots/Brady losing on bogus officiating...just one besides the 2015 Doink game...where it was Manning's retirement season.

Losing? The Patriots don't lose much. There have been plenty of non-calls. Gronk interfered with in the end zone by Kuechly on the last play of a game. Play blown dead due to phantom stepping out of bounds whistle. The Philly special was an illegal formation -- player on end of the line was off the ball, which you can't do. On the Hail Mary vs the Eagles, Amendola gets literally blown up 30 yards downfield, and Gronk gets blown up as the ball is coming down. No call.

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You cant...and you know it. Definitely never in the post-season.
I can, if I have to, but I don't, because whining about refs is for ****ing losers.

And you think the NFL is fixed anyway, so why do you even care?


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I can list 5 in that past 2 years for the Chiefs...including 3 play-off loses...one of which forced the official to retire.
:rolleyes: See comment above.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14364280)
Its like talking to a brick wall.
My good friend as a NE fan is the same way....
but when I asked him how much a fan he was before Kraft bought them he said he wasnt really in to football.
Let em have their rings, once the "dynasty" is over they will scatter like cockroaches and we wont see their fans visiting other teams forums.
Northeast mentality


I've watched every Patriots game (with a few exceptions when I lived out of state and they were not available in the pre-internet age -- and excluding when the game wasn't even on local TV due to failure to sell out the stadium, since about 1981 or so.

You can mock anyone else you want for being a "pink hat" (Red Sox reference really), but I'm glad to chat Rod Rust and Ray Berry and Dick MacPherson, Lisa Olson, Viktor Kiam, Parcells, Eason, Irving Fryar's finger, on and on and on and on.

Amnorix 07-25-2019 05:10 PM

ROFL Forgot how blatant it was. Go to the 38 second mark.

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Amnorix 07-25-2019 05:12 PM

Keep in mind, I dont' actually care about these calls/non-calls. At the time i do, but the refs are doing their best, and many things are missed. They're human.

And the last play, hail mary, is subject to different rules really, and that's understood.

But BlackOps said I could not show any ref screwing the Pats like ever. JFC...

New World Order 07-25-2019 05:27 PM

For not caring about calls/non-calls you do have a good recollection of every little thing that went wrong against your team.

Tribal Warfare 07-25-2019 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorce (Post 14364282)
Can we stop with the great defensive plan by the pats nonsense. They got away with defensive holding on our receivers the entire first half.

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They were playing as if it was circa 1992-95, KC offense adjusted in the 2nd half

Amnorix 07-25-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14364312)
For not caring about calls/non-calls you do have a good recollection of every little thing that went wrong against your team.


I didn't remember any other than the Gronk one against Denver. Had to look up the rest. :D I just don't tend to dwell on this stuff, especially when you've had the run teh Patriots have had. At this point, no Patriots fan should waste effort dwelling on lost years/opportunities. If that's where you're focus is, you're missing the forest for the trees.

Frazod 07-25-2019 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364305)
Keep in mind, I dont' actually care about these calls/non-calls. At the time i do, but the refs are doing their best, and many things are missed. They're human.

And the last play, hail mary, is subject to different rules really, and that's understood.

But BlackOps said I could not show any ref screwing the Pats like ever. JFC...

So you don't mind the occasional non call that goes against you? Gee, that must be tough when you've hitched your little red wagon to a truck hauling six Lombardis.

How do you do it? :rolleyes:

PHOG 07-25-2019 05:53 PM

That's pretty rich in the OP coming from holier than thou Pats fans AND owners.

Kiimo 07-25-2019 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364299)
I can, if I have to, but I don't, because whining about refs is for ****ing losers.

I can't argue with you there

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14364299)
See comment above.

But I can argue with you here. I'm not a "refs" guy just like in basketball I'm not a "calls" guy but this right here


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Wow. <a href="https://twitter.com/superdj56?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuperDJ56</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLPlayoffs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLPlayoffs</a> <a href="https://t.co/0ZaiAJnstn">pic.twitter.com/0ZaiAJnstn</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/949775660817371136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Watch this horseshit and find the nonsense reason that they get to keep the ball. The ref was forced to retire after this. It's still nauseating.

FloridaMan88 07-25-2019 06:01 PM

Faketriots bandwagoner fraud Assnorix will no longer show his face here when Brady retires and the Jarrett Stidham/Brian Hoyer era begins.

rabblerouser 07-25-2019 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 14364262)
I cant imagine rooting for a team where in the post-season...you never even think of the refs screwing you out of a win. Their worst case scenario is an evenly called contest.

I cant imagine having zero penalties in their biggest game of the regular season...when there is evidence some were committed.

It really never crosses Patriot fans mind...that they could possibly lose because of the officials.

Its the #1 thing I worry about when the Chiefs play in important games...."how bad are they going to get ****ed ...and do they have a big enough lead to beat the calls".

Chiefs could have been to multiple SB if the refs decided to take game winning TDs off the board...or call bogus PI at critical junctures...or rule incomplete passes as legit.

NE is a good team...but their "dynasty" is heavily aided by beneficial calls.

We got ****ed in the Rams game, the home game vs the Chargers, @Pats and the AFCCG.

We kinda got ****ed @Seattle, but we kind of got beat there too - Wilson was dropping DIMES.

Would've been 15-1 if the officials didn't screw us OVER and OVER.

Been that way since the 1997 playoffs...

PunkinDrublic 07-25-2019 08:50 PM

Ask any professional athlete, they’ll tell you that Boston fans are the most racist fans in professional sports.

New World Order 07-25-2019 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14364339)
I can't argue with you there



But I can argue with you here. I'm not a "refs" guy just like in basketball I'm not a "calls" guy but this right here


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Wow. <a href="https://twitter.com/superdj56?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuperDJ56</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLPlayoffs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLPlayoffs</a> <a href="https://t.co/0ZaiAJnstn">pic.twitter.com/0ZaiAJnstn</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/949775660817371136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Watch this horseshit and find the nonsense reason that they get to keep the ball. The ref was forced to retire after this. It's still nauseating.

There is not a call in the history of the NFL that is worse than that.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-25-2019 10:35 PM

I hate this pillowbitergety argument. Can we just get on with the season and destroy these fools so we can put this stupid shit to rest once and for all? From where I sit we've got about seven to eight rings to collect so let's get to it and forget about these northeastern **** monkeys once and for all please.

007 07-25-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14364495)
There is not a call in the history of the NFL that is worse than that.

cracks me up that there are actually youtube videos supporting the referees call there. Its indefensible.

BlackOp 07-26-2019 01:30 AM

Check this shit out...start at 7:37.

What's interesting is the Titans got screwed on a bizarre officiating sequence too...alone, it wouldn't be a major issue but in conjunction with an officiating gaffe that essentially cost KC to advance...you start to see a pattern.



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BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock 07-26-2019 02:24 AM

Fact of the matter is, the Patriots are far a head of everybody else on the mental level. Another fact of the matter is, is that our offence is so ****ing badass that their brains ultimately mean jack-****ing shit. They won the AFCCG because of Dee Ford and a ****ing coin flip. Luck will be their ultimate downfall. Brady is 42, and a coin flip is 50/50. Mahomes is a Chief!

I should add that I expect no less than back-to-back Super Bowl wins from this Chiefs team. We literally have Aaron Rodgers on meth (but even better), combined with potentially the best recieving corps the world has ever seen, guided by arguably the greatest offensive mind of all time, Andy Reid. We're about to become legends, and that's no hot take. It's stating the obvious.

TwistedChief 07-26-2019 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 007 (Post 14364557)
cracks me up that there are actually youtube videos supporting the referees call there. Its indefensible.

Each time that I prepare myself to watch that clip, there's a part of me that hopes I'll see something new that will make it seem like it wasn't the worst ****ing call in the history of the NFL. And yet each time, I'm genuinely left speechless. Jaw agape. Wondering how that was possibly the call on the field.

007 07-26-2019 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14364601)
Each time that I prepare myself to watch that clip, there's a part of me that hopes I'll see something new that will make it seem like it wasn't the worst ****ing call in the history of the NFL. And yet each time, I'm genuinely left speechless. Jaw agape. Wondering how that was possibly the call on the field.

https://giphy.com/gifs/yosub-money-d...nqUxyWbsAXq7Ju

Coochie liquor 07-26-2019 04:25 PM

Pats fans are a different breed...

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rabblerouser 07-26-2019 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 14365526)
Pats fans are a different breed...

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Wow, that's Amnorix.


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