You coulda' divided it up. That's what we did. The so wanted to see it. I'm not a big mob movie fan. So I didn't care for it at first, but as it proceeded I did like it. It's based on a true story and this Irishman claims he knocked off Hoffa on his deathbed. However, there are others that say his claim is not true.

I couldn't understand how they could take two old men, DeNiro and Pacino making a movie in old age, being able to do flashbacks where they look much younger. So I looked it up and found out their faces were all digitally altered to look younger. Amazing!

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Because Sheeran's stories are being debunked. :harumph:

I saw it in a theater. It was boring/disappointing.

Being debunked by people who have 20 different theories about how he died themselves. He was chopped up and put in sausage. No wait he was buried alive under a horse barn. No wait he was dumped in a landfill owned by the mob... etc, etc.

Scorsese himself said it wasnt important to have a historically accurate account of what happened because we'll never know for sure. It's just a compelling story told by an insider and ya it's probably fabricated by someone trying to sell a book but thats the same story as the rest of the guys who probably have some knowledge of what happened. It's the Black Dahlia, Zodiac, Jack the Ripper.

BTW, Eddie Van Zandt has a cameo in this movie too

Possibly, due to what DeNiro's character claimed in the movie, that only parts of a hit are revealed to each player involved so no one knows the whole truth about it.

Stevie?

I just finished watching this and I was impressed. I like the way the story came together.

It was much more about the whole interaction between the mob and the teamsters than a movie of violence.

Al Pacino was probably my least favorite as he has become a caricature of himself as he is over the top and the last 10 roles all seem like he is doing the same thing. He didn't come across as Hoffa in anyway to me. Bad casting on that one role.

I thought Pesci was great and played his part very subdued.

Also a lot of this action took place a lot further in the past than it came across in the movie. It was the early to mid 50's into the late 70s. It felt like mid to late 60's to early 80s.

Overall I give it an 8.5-9 out of 10

Obviously someone knows the whole truth about it. Just one problem, that person probably ate a couple bullets to the head a few years later.

Yea Pacino was definitely in “because she’s got a great ass!!” Mode.

He did have the one classic scene I mentioned earlier about being late to the Miami meeting.

ROFL

The end of an era ended very well

yeah, Pacino ranting about wearing clothes to a meeting scene was fantastic.:thumb:

Pacino hasn’t been good for a very long time. Scent of a Woman was probably his last really good acting performance.

He had a few good ones after that (Heat, Donnie Brasco, Insomnia), but the last good movie he's been in that I've seen was Insomnia, and that was made 17 years ago.

He's like a caricature of himself now.

I watched it over the weekend and was impressed.

Pesci was the best and Harvey Keitel was pretty badass as well.

A couple of Big mob hits were accounted for in this one. It makes you wonder if this guy really hit them or not- seems pretty plausible, especially with Crazy Joe Gallo.

I would agree with this. He was still good in the 90s.

And his last great movie was Insomnia before this one.

Alot of his movies over the past 17-18 years have been made with inferior talent and direct to home video stuff.

The pacing dragged. I had to break it into parts to finish it. It was a good watch but, unlike Marty's other films, I wouldn't watch it again. The Action Bronson Cameo (even though I'm a fan of his music and TV show) was...interesting, to say the least.

I watched it in 2 parts and it was fine. No time for movies that long or I'd have no trouble finishing.

While I watched it I felt at the end that is was three actors who should have just faded away playing the same style of role they have always played in a story that nobody cares about.


So I made it through 30 minutes and got done with it post haste...

I watched about 40 minutes over lunch.

Are we sure this movie is good? I mean, watching a computer generated DeNiro 'savagely pummel' the shop owner with a series of old man kicks and foot stomps that couldn't put out a lit cigarette made me long for the days of Sonny Corleone's phantom punch on Carlo.

I'm kinda concerned at this point that this movie might suck. We shall see...

I liked it. But, DeNiro was paid to basically just stare into a camera for a crazy mount of time.

Pacino was....Pacino of late. Cartoonish. Didn’t believe him as Hoffa at all. Pesci was really good. Subdued , but powerful.

Go back 20 years and tell me that ANYONE would've thought Joe Pesci would've 'won' a movie w/ DeNiro and Pacino.

Even in Goodfellas he seemed overmatched by DeNiro (who was in the midst of his prime, IMO) and Liota.

I think they may have overplayed the 'understated quasi Mafia-Don' persona, but I don't know Buffalino's history all that well.

The 50's and 60's were such a fascinating time for NY Organized crime. All the post-war jockeying of the families to establish territory in the wake of Luciano's deportation makes for some good reading. Luciano himself is a really interesting character as well with Lansky and Siegel. Luciano essentially created the 'NY Mafia' as we know it.

I got an hour and a half in and never went back. It's just an old, tired, copy of a copy of a copy. Vastly overrated.

The Mafia in the 60's and 70's went underground and the bosses were quiet as hell as well as out of the spotlight. You would NEVER see a mafia boss and say "OH, that guy's a gangster." They didn't dress like hoods, they didn't drive flashy cars or big houses and kept real low profiles.

The big turning point of the mob coming above ground and the dumb street rats taking over and destroying the mob was Nicky Scarfo first in Philly killing Angelo Bruno and setting off a violent mob war and then flashy John Gotti killed Paul Castellano. Once those two goons took over the mob went from quiet ruthless businessmen to loud obnoxious serial killers and psychopaths.

Those two guys decimated the mob in about 10-15 years.

Some of the new old time leaders from Italy are trying to bring it back underground.

Coincides with the Apalachin Meeting.

"Coincides" is probably not the right way to put it. "Was a direct result of" is probably more accurate.

What a hilarious shitshow that whole thing was. Vito Genovese may have been the biggest idiot in the annals of organized crime, including the mouth-breathing triggermen (which was essentially all Genovese was to begin with).

I'm not criticizing the way Pesci played the understated way that Pesci played the role, I'm more curious with how much control they have vested in Bufalino. It just seems that they had a few too many roads leading back to him.

Maybe I'm wrong; it's possible that the universe being portrayed in this move is a little more narrowly focused than I am understanding and in fact he WAS the big dick in charge. It just seems odd to me that they are suggesting that Bufalino was possibly directly responsible for the Anastasia assassination or at least had to sign off on it.

I mean c'mon - Anastasia ran the what would be come the Gambino outfit at the time, no? Am I really to believe that this guy had the power to sanction a hit on the leader of arguably the most powerful family in NY? My recollection is that the entire NY Commission pretty much had enough of Anastasia's shit and had him killed. That's not something that Bufalino would've been directly responsible for.

Pesci was probably the best thing about the movie. He was so good.

And it was a completely different role than Goodfellas and Casino. He wasnt an enforcer.

It was a quiet understated role. I liked him alot in this.

Agreed. He nailed it.

The Mob is like Linkedin for criminals. It's just a giant network of who knows who knows who knows knows who. It's how a person can get favors from anyone anywhere.

Buffalino was an incredible networker and guy who quietly built an immense network of contacts all over the region he was in control of. It was outside most of the big regions like NYC, Chicago, Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

You look at the Patricia family of New England, Santo Trafficante of Florida, Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, Buffalino of New York State and rural Pennsylvania and other midest areas. They guys had a lot of power because they were the only one family and had huge regions.

Angelo Bruno was another old school, quiet businessman that kept a very low profile. He had tons of politicians and contacts everywhere and was very respected from both sides.

Vito Genovese was definitely more thuggish than a businessman.

Albert Anastasia was one of many who died during the 50's when the mob families were fighting for control and dominance.

They got real quiet in the 60s and 70s and made billions once the violence slowed down

It was great, until

Started watching it this movie this morning. Love it so far. I dunno I guess you gotta be Italian. Brings back memories of old KC, South Omaha. Mom's family ect. My Grandpa who's nickname was the "Pope". I grew up with this shit. Then I went into Law Enforcement. ;)

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And always ALWAYS show up early. It's disrespect if you don't. :shake: At least a hr. I can't tell you how much " Face" means. Especially with the Mex cartels now. 15 yrs. working with them after 911.

So I'm about halfway; Hoffa's clearly on the scene now.

I'm not actually opposed to how Pacino's portraying him. Hoffa was, by most accounts, a fiery dude who had a hell of a temper. Going over the top to play him isn't exactly unreasonable.

I think the problem isn't Pacino in this movie, it's Pacino in every other movie he's made in the last 20 years and the audience reaction to him. We're just kinda worn thin on his particular form of scenery chewing. This is pretty much just what Pacino does now so all we see is Pacino. We don't see Pacino playing Hoffa.

Should Scorsese have seen that coming and cast someone else in the role? Possibly. I think you can criticize Scorsese for the casting choice because it is a little difficult to stay in the movie when he's on the screen. All you see is Pacino in much the same way that Tom Cruise is always Tom Cruise.

But in a vacuum, had we not been 'treated' to 2 decades of Pacino shouting, I don't think we'd have a problem with how he handles the role in this movie. It's not like it's as bizarre as him playing King Richard or anything...

As a teamster membster o f @459 at the moment. And as a former fed, IM Torn. Everything is so ripped up,

Pacino was good in this movie. Hoffa was a idiot. My best guess he was retired in the Greart lakes. Just my take. WTF do I know know I'm just a retired @@@ Agent.

I was assigned s a young field officer. Got nowhere. Still a open case for the most part..

This. 3 1/2 hours of meh. I fast forwarded the last 50 mins.

After say - 1980 - the only thing I recall liking him in was The Devil's Advocate. He single handedly ruined this film. DeNiro was the star and JP was a close second.

Scarface? Sea of Love? Carlito's Way?

He's pretty good in Donnie Brasco and Carlito's Way (though that movie doesn't work without Sean Penn). But he really does play the same damn guy almost every time.

Since this is the subject, this clip might be fun

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You sound like a man that if you haven't discovered this podcast yet you'll be glad you just did:

https://audioboom.com/channel/mafia

Well aware ;)

Thanks for the suggestion

I love listening to the Hollywood Godfather podcasts with Gianni Russo, aka Carlo Rizzi from Godfather I

Props to those of you who made it through this in one or two tries,I think I hit pause 5 or 6 times and eventually made it with absolutely no desire to ever watch it again.

Fine - 2000

He did a bang up job in The Devil's Advocate.

So I'm through it.

Meh.

It's not a bad movie, but I don't understand the hype.

I enjoyed it; but not really enough to watch it again.
certain movies I can watch over and over no matter where I catch them on TV; Shawshank, Goodfellas, The God Father, Casino etc.....this movie isn't like that for me.

Yeah, I am halfway through, but haven't had the desire to fire it up because I sure don't want to be depressed.... Dying alone and all that!

I thought he over acted his way through the Devil’s Advocate, or at least the entire second half. He could be subtle early, but not post 1980 or so.

Carlitos Way, Donnie Brasco, Insomnia

Three really great, low key performances

And even though he goes over the top in Heat a few times, he also has some really great low key scenes as well.

Glengarry Glen Ross gets you a lot of leeway.

You fairies, . . . you . . . company men. . .

The more I read about it here and elsewhere, the more meh it gets... I’m definitely in no rush to see it

Finally finished it. Here's some more....

Meh.

Wish i could have my 3.5 hours back.

You didn't like ANYTHING about it? :hmmm:

I thought Pacino was great in it. I don't know what Hoffa's personality was like enough to say Pacino was over-the-top but actors usually research their characters and perhaps that's how Hoffa behaved.

Not really. I had high hopes, but was really disappointed.

It almost seemed like they were trying too hard.

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DeNiro Pacino Pesci Scorsese The Irishman trailer
 

the budget on this has ballooned from 100 million at Paramount to 125 million at Netflix and now up to 140 million, which Ill just imagine is Martin Scorsese doing his part to put Netflix further into impossible-to-recoup debt

Something you want to share with the rest of us?

What the hell? How is it that this deep fake looks better than the millions they spent on the process in the movie????



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Jack Nicholson portrayed Hoffa in a movie of the same name in the early nineties. I recall it being similar, but not quite as manic as often

LMAO