I think you're missing my point....

I think you're missing MY point....

Mahomes was never on campus at the same time as Mayfield. Mahomes came on campus the semester after Mayfield left.

He's a year older than Mahomes. Mahomes is light years beyond Mayfield in maturity.

Not all of us are gay, ok honey?

I totally agree.

These 2 things plus some maturity are whats wrong with Baker right now.

I remember when he said "fantasry" like a complete dumbass lol!!!!!

I'm a huge OU fan and no way should he have been a number 1 overall pick. I think he is a guy that will always struggle in the pocket but can make some plays for you. I'd say he ends up being a middle of the pack guy like Dalton most of his career.

Same for me.

I think he can be better than Dalton. Lot depends on the coaches and front office though. Crap OL with poor coaching is a bad combo. He needs some help or it will end up hurting his potential.

Similar to Dalton. He will never be an elite QB because he doesnt have any elite skills. Solid but not elite. Dalton/Alex Smithish type shit.

“Who is the biggest bust of all time”???

No offense, but why or how the **** would we have “landed” him? We already had Mahomes and Baker went number one overall the next year.

I think Baker has a better arm than the likes of Dalton or Alex. But David Carr also had a great arm and was ruined by a horrible OL in Houston.

One thing I will say for Baker is that I never bet against the guy. When he left Tech, we all thought he would get buried in the depth chart at OU. Turned out it was a great move for him. I think if he stayed at Tech, he would have ended up on the bench right next to Davis Webb.

Baker likes to prove the doubters wrong and he's done a hell of a job of that for a long time. This season in Cleveland might be teetering on the edge right now. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens the rest of the way. They can't fix the OL overnight.

No. He doesn't have a better arm than Dalton. Baker is a gamer that will make some plays for sure but being a gamer doesnt help with his poor passing accuracy.

60 mph on the gun at the Combine. Pretty strong arm.

Baker is the new Carr.

So many people bought into the hype that they will make excuses for him no matter what over the next few years.

Kitchens, yes. But Baker deserves a lot of blame for poor OL play. He bails way too quickly on clean pockets and forces pressure where he doesn't need to. He's been totally ineffective in the pocket so teams are capitalizing. At some point he has to learn how to make plays without a scramble drill.

I meant not as accurate. A lot of guys can light up a radar gun.

I'm sorry, but who are you talking about?

Mayfield was the most accurate passer in college football the entire time he was starting at OU, and it wasn't close. IIRC, he was consistently 10 points higher in completion percentage than any other passer in college.

Last season he was among the most accurate passers in the league. He's only been inaccurate this year. And let's be absolutely honest, some of his incompletes this year really should've been caught. He's hitting guys in the hands and they're dropping balls. If they solve the OL problems his accuracy will go right back up to about 68%.

With their brutal schedule it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re 2-6 at the midpoint of the season. It will truly be a thing of beauty to watch these clowns meltdown with Bozo Baker leading the troupe.

Valid point. Like I said I don’t pay attention to him. Time flies but I thought Mayfield was in the same draft year because they played each other in college. My bad. Ya got me there.

#metoo

No they don't. Most browns fans are ohio state fans and ohio state fans are unbearable.

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I've watched the guy for years. He isnt NFL accurate. At OU it's hard not to put up good numbers. Hurts isnt a good passer and has an 80% comp percentage right now.

did he do great? or did the ou qb factory do its thing? riley or whatever his name is seems to be churning out qbs here lately.

I will enjoy it very much if they have a total implosion. I think Baker and Odell are both very willing to throw Kitchens under the bus. Plus I want to see Dorsey fail after the Kareem Hunt signing. Bunch of scoundrels.

Omg. Baker vs AB. Whom do I root for?! :popcorn:

AB for sure. Since he no longer plays for an AFC team, it’s a lot more fun to watch this train wreck.

Antonio vs Baker on Twitter. Pretty amusing. LMAO

Poor O line play lead to QB's bailing on the pocket early. Its ruined many a young QB.

I like baker the player but he’s just got too much shit around his head to succeed

Don't matter, just root for it to keep going. :D

And OLs often get blamed for poor QB play. See Alex Smith. Mayfield isn't just bailing out of the pocket because his protection is poor. Going back to college, he bails once his primary read is locked down. QBs that constantly bail on clean pockets make their OL look bad because they're not nearly as good protecting a scrambler as they are a QB who knows how to use his pocket. In the NFL, you can't get away with having tendencies like that. Defenses know how to stop that now. The QB has to do things to loosen up the pass rush.

That's like saying we don't deserve Mahomes because of Mizzou or KU fans.

#BakersLifeMatters

Why is tron so invested in defending this clown. He isn't NFL accurate. End of story. No one cares about college bubble screen mania completion percentage

No worries I was just curious. I didn't mean to sound like an asshole.

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Yep, a real battle of wits. ;)

He's a sooner qb of course he sucks!

Gooners haven't missed a beat without him. Product of elite talent. That Brown team just doesn't have it...

It’s looking more and more like any QB with some talent will succeed under Lincoln Riley.

The general consensus was that Jalen Hurts wasn’t a great passer...now he’s throwing 400 yard games.

Watching what Jalen Hurts is doing would make me very uncomfortable as a Browns fan. Especially, if Kyler Murray ends up as a bust.

A genius amoeba could smoke Brown in a battle of wits. He's so ****ing stupid

Baker definitely deserves some time before making any judgements on his future, IMO. Let’s not forget that the Browns are still the Browns, he’s already had 3 different coaches and he JUST played his 16th start. Brees, a guy a lot of people compare Mayfield to, was absolute dogshit in his second season. I think some of us have been spoiled by Mahomes, most QBs aren’t Greek Gods right out the gate, even 1st overall picks.

Guy speaks his mind, which is fine by me. I think he's got a promising NFL career ahead of him if Kitchens doesn't **** things up. (Which he seems to be doing this year.)

I don’t mind him speaking his mind at all.

I just find it funny how butt hurt he gets every time someone else speaks their mind and criticizes the Browns or him (deservedly so this year).

Yeah bigger problem is that it seems to get in his head. He needs to focus his energy elsewhere.

If he keeps reacting like this, the criticism will only get worse.

The talking heads will keep poking him to get reactions out of him for ratings. Fans of other teams will keep after him on Twitter to get under his skin too.

It’s a lot like the kid in high school that freaks out when he gets picked on. Other kids find it funny, so they keep doing it. The less you react, the less people will try.

Of course the flip side is Baker was a 5-year college player. Mahomes was only in college for 3 years. Baker was unquestionably the more developed prospect stepping foot into the league. But Pat is quite a bit more talented and has much better NFL coaching. Makes a huge difference.

Guy has an ego he won't be able to get past. That and he's a drama queen he will flame out be number 1000 or however many first round QBs the browns have taken to do nothing.

I'm an OU fan, never liked his personality always thought he was a douchebag.

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More developed prospect?

According to Matt Nagy's father the Chiefs felt Mahomes was the 2nd best QB prospect in the last decade behind Andrew Luck.

I love how much Geoff Schwartz doesn't like Baker. On his most recent podcast he talked about baker and kitchens putting a big target on their backs. Similar how great teams get every opponents best effort, teams gear up for cocky outspoken douche bags.

20 years from now Baker and Johnny Manziel will be sharing a van down by the river.

finga poppin each otha's asshoes

Let the old English 8's flow

That's the big thing. Kitchen is an enabler. Not to mention a bad playcaller (ol coach last year said kitchens was taking credit for Ken zampeses work. Mayfield can't have a players coach. He needs a tough coach who can let baker be baker, but also discipline him. I knew baker was doomed after watching kitchens' piss poor response to bakers childish antics against hue and the Bengals last year. Hilarious, but childish.

Baker was more polished in college. The college passer rating stats are pretty good evidence of this.

Pat is probably the most talented guy to ever play QB, so the ceiling on him is off the charts. He would have been a #1 pick if he played for a blue blood school, I am certain of that one. But Pat was not a final product after only 3 years in college.

The redshirt year in Kansas City was really good for Mahomes. Allowed him to heal his body after playing through injuries for years. Allowed him to learn a hell of a lot from Andy Reid, the other coaches, and Alex Smith.

Agree with you there. Nagys dad said the whole TT stigma was the one thing that scared everyone off just enough. He plays at OU and he is the #1 overall pick and we still have shit at QB in KC.

What's scary is I think Mahomes is going to keep getting better. It will get to the point where the Belichicks of the world cannot throw anything at him that he hasn't seen. And unlike some of the guys that have mastered beating NFL defenses as they got older (Brees/Brady/Manning), Mahomes has no physical limitations when a play breaks down. He's Aaron Rodgers with a much better attitude/personality. Unlimited ceiling.

Browns are in the beginning stages of a meltdown IMHO and Kitchens will be fired soon if they keep losing. OL will not be fixed overnight. There are QBs no matter how messy the pocket or how often the pocket breaks down they stay laser focused down field and can still throw with accuracy. Baker is NOT one of those Qbs and never will be IMHO.

Baker MUST have a pristine clean pocket at all times or his anxiety just takes over and he just SUCKS !! And most of the time with QBs who suffer with CPD(collapsing pocket syndrome) their SUCK never goes away.:shrug:

You are either born with BIG BRASS WRECKING BALLS or Daisy BBs when it comes to playing QB in the NFL and so far Baker this year has been shooting his Red Ryder gun.:D

Baker had a bad OL at OU for awhile and came up with big play after big play in spite of those issues, the size of his nuts notwithstanding. He also had OL problems last year and still produced big plays and led his team to more wins than the Browns earned in the last five years. His two biggest issues this year are his OL play, which has been historically bad, and his OC/HC.

He needs to stop trying to do too much; if the OL will only give him 2 seconds to throw the ball, then he needs to just take the 2 seconds, throw short and work the sticks. Lean on the running game which has been decent with N. Chubbs. He's trying to hit homeruns, which is admirable, but unrealistic with the OL and the play-calling he's been working with.

From Week 9 through Week 17 of the 2018 season, only Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Ryan had more touchdown passes than Baker Mayfield’s 19. Only Mahomes, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson had a higher Adjusted Yards Per Pass Attempt than Mayfield’s 8.65, and no passing offense was better, per Football Outsiders’ DVOA (opponent-adjusted efficiency metric) than Cleveland’s.

Tempo is another issue. Last season, per Football Outsiders, the Browns ranked fifth in average seconds per offensive play — in other words, using pace to dictate to a defense and to prevent that defense from substituting personnel and creating the situational advantages. This season, the Browns rank 20th, and they’ve gone from 26.99 seconds to 29.05 seconds per offensive play. Adding to the problems, in spite of taking longer to snap the ball, the Browns are using significantly less pre-snap motion, taking away a key to deciphering the defense. The Browns used a lot more pre-snap motion last year, giving Baker a lot more information on the defensive scheme prior to each snap.

The tape backs this up conclusively, as do the stats. Per Pro Football Focus, Mayfield has completed 67.9% of his passes with three touchdowns, two interceptions and a passer rating of 92.3 on pass plays in which he’s in the pocket less than 2.5 seconds. On longer-developing plays in which he’s in the pocket 2.5 seconds or more, he’s thrown for no touchdowns with three interceptions, and he has a passer rating of 48.0. Through the first three games, Mayfield has been involved in longer-developing plays 51.7% of the time.

Bottom line, Baker can be accurate and efficient, IF someone calls the correct plays, IF more pre-snap motion is involved, and IF the OL plays even marginally better.

Those are the facts, Jack...

That's alot of ifs. Too many to call him a good NFL QB. Looks like a trend towards Dalton city..

So it’s Kitchens fault that Baker always wants to roll out to his right at the first sign of pressure?

I’m not saying Kitchens isn’t part of the problem, but to pretend that it’s all on him is flat out wrong.

Kitchens sucks but most of the blame goes on Mayfield. Terrible pocket presence.

Cantfield sucks.

I think there must be some truth behind the fired coaches claiming that Kitchens was not the real architect of that offense last year. His playcalling has looked pretty incompetent after he fired the other guys.

Dorsey ignored what Andy Reid has done all of his career (build the trenches) and got himself a small corner with injury issues, then traded for a headache WR. It’s his fault the Browns don’t have tackles worth a shit.

Oh and that OL he drafted..Austin Corbett? That guy is a backup and he was taken inside the top 35 picks.

Dorsey hires Kitchens, drafted Mayfield and made all of the other personnel moves.

He was depicted as much more than he really is. Andy is the reason for that still is to this day.

And what are the facts this year?

That's a stretch and a half. As I've said before, the biggest culprit is haslem. The haslems refused to fire hue Jackson because he was a close family friend. Because of that, hue had to be fired and they ended up hiring a reject coach who had a Romeo like mid-season turnaround. Shitty coach who took another coach's team to a strong second half. Sure Dorsey deserves blame for relying on kitchens. But i don't think he was left with much of a choice considering how popular kitchens was with Mayfield.

People have been talking shit about him since Day 1. You might say he has a reason to be a bit insecure.

Poor ****ing guy. He was only the number 1 overall pick. He's been hurt so much

Right. But his points about personnel stand. He deserves a lot of credit for a lot of good moves here, but he's got to eat the OL, scheme be damned.

If he plays better no one will be talking. Outside of beating crap teams I don't see much that leads me to believe he's anything but average.

He let some success last year and the talking heads inflate his ego. He needs to focus on playing and not spend so much time getting into arguments on Twitter, like he's some high school girl.

This.

Essential reading on exactly how shitty Haslem is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

His ego has been heavily inflated for a long time. Parents spoiled him.

Huge Douche.....He brings 110% criticism on himself......
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