Maybe not Damon Huard. But he's certainly no Alex Smith. If you don't give him all world pass pro he will definitely get you beat. even if you do the guy has a ton of wtf games and is really bad in big games. Sure as a qb he does give you 9-7 upside. But that's about where it ends. Again, tremendous pickup but he's being seriously overrated here. He's good not great.

Uh, read again to what I was responding to

He's more talented without question.

But the whole team has been so undisciplined, it's hard to tell what the **** is actually going on.

You might literally be better off going with the less talented, more scheme disciplined player in Dalton.

To be fair, I watched two Dallas games this season, but in both I was just struck by the fact that half the time I couldn't even tell what they were trying to do. It was like street ball.

Dak clearly has a lot of physical talent. More than most. But he's not been running an NFL offense with any efficiency. It's pretty ****ed up.

Can he? Well, yeah, maybe. Garrett was clearly a shit coach, and his entire team was entirely undisciplined.

Maybe that can change with McCarthy; at least I don't ever remember GB being street-ballers.

But Dalton is a mid-level NFL starting QB. He's Alex Smith, more or less. It's possible that you might get better results with THAT than Dak unless Dak can adjust to a disciplined offense.

he's taken much less talented teams than the current Dallas roster to more than 9-7.

given the team talent differential, he could totally take that team to 11-5 or 12-4.

He took pretty pedestrian Bengals teams to 10-6 and 11-5.

Dallas has as much individual talent as any team in football. They're perennial underachievers.

I'm not saying you bench Dak-but I AM saying that if Dak can't adjust to actually running a damned NFL offense you need to cut your losses and move on.

He's not really done that, in my opinion. It's a lot of duck and chuck.

Well, the competition might force Dak to grow up a little and that's probably a big reason Dalton was signed. Mccarthy studied up a ton on modern offenses in his off year and i can't imagine he doesn't borrow from Reid's playbook. If he's smart he'll design the offense for Dak to play with less structure just as Reid did. I agree I'm a little skeptical he can fix all of Dak. But It's kind of the Alex Smith debate all over again. Except you have a worse version of Alex Smith and you have the high upside qb already on your roster. Sure you can go safe but id much rather roll the dice.

He was talking about last year, I know it isn't clear...

I wouldn't call those Bengals pedestrian. The defense Zimmer built was terrific. He had elite receivers. His OL was pretty consistently in PFFs top 10 in their good years. The Bengals were loaded early in his career. I think people forget that. Aj green, Marvin Jones, sanu... That's outrageous. Would you agree that my stat line seems accurate? Assuming a good supporting cast in Dallas 3500 yards, 20 TDs, 10-15 INTs. It's OK. Not bad, not great.

Basically this. Early on, Dalton had the benefit of one of the best defenses in the league, and some pretty good weapons on offense. I never really watched the Bengals that much, so I can't be precise as to why exactly they failed so much, but when you see how many times they went to the playoffs and that they lost each and every one, it doesn't make Dalton look like a top-tier QB.

Put another way, in his four playoff games, Andy Dalton led his offense to 43 points total. Not even 11 points/game. 55% completion rate, and just one (1) TD in four games, 4 fumbles, with 6 INTs. That's just bad.

Yes, I do NFL and probably a lot longer than you. My point was, why would you trade a person on a one year contract. I realize players do get hurt and one might be your starting QB. It would be unwise to trade your backup unless you had a whole lot of faith in your #3. BTW, Moore went 2-1, not 3-1 if you give him the victory in Denver.

Head coach with a Marty like way of losing games. A qb who was consistently horrible in big games (something like 5 - 19 record in big games with some embarrassing performances). Throw in a few knuckleheads who make boneheaded mistakes in big moments. Recipe for disaster.

Got a lot of friends who went through the Dalton era. It reminded me of Marty's chargers where it was just so unimaginable that a team with that much talent couldn't win big games.

Totally. I'm not saying Dalton is top tier.

I would say he's a mid-level starter. In that Cousins area.

He's unspectacular.

But he'll run your offense, and make some throws, and not get you beat very often.

Dak has a lot more talent, but I've not seen him really run an offense and read defenses, deliver the ball on schedule.

The Cowboys have been playing street ball, looks like to me. That's why they've been out of the hunt, terrible undisciplined, stupid football. I think that's on Garrett, but Dak has certainly played his part.

For most of his career in Cincy, Dalton was surrounded by decent weapons on offense and yet he couldn't win a big game if his life depended on it.

Dak is not worth $40 million/year and obviously he is not at the same level as the likes of Mahomes, but he is better than Dalton.

As a Cowboy hater, I hope they sign Dak to a $Billion contract.