Yep. Jerry is not going to hold this up over year 5 or 10 million in on the 5th year.

Rayne Dakota. I'm offering him 10 mil less a year just for having such a queerbait name. Needs a man's name like Patrick.

You do realize that if they pay him they’re flushing all of the current roster talent right?

Nope. Gotta sign Alex Smith II to elite money because reasons.

Most of these guys are not on the cut list simply due to the lack of options. I would guess he either plays out his 5 years or is extended. Border line top 10 QB's are rarely cut. Especially in their 26-31 seasons. But it does seem like it is a case of who blinks first, do not see either side holding up this deal over 10 million in year 5.

Dak is better than Andy ****ing Dalton, but I'd probably just roll with Dalton too if your QB who is fringe Top 10 wants 45M a year. 30-35M about going rate at the very most.

I have no qualms with Dak though. If he thinks he's worth that and that holding out for a better deal is the way to go, more power to him. Although he might be driving the cost up on Mahomes.

When did Alex Smith put up 4900 yards and 30 tds?

Dak has leverage should he not use it?

You’re easily one of my favorite football guys here, but I’d disagree with that sentiment

Career - 62% 31594 204 118 87.5

That’s not too shabby at all considering the dysfunctional shithole that is Cincinatti

He plays an EXTREMELY similar style.

The only difference between Alex Smith in 2017 and Dak Prescott in 2019 was drop-backs. Prescott had 600 attempts in 2019 to Smith's 505. He had slightly better yards/attempt than Smith but Smith had a better adjusted Y/A and a better passer rating.

The problem with the argument, though, is that "Alex Smith 2.0" is being used as a pejorative when in all reality, Alex Smith had one of the better seasons in the league in 2017. You sign Dak to that deal and he gives you 5 years like Alex Smith had in 2017, you're doing just fine.

But Dak does have a cap, IMO. Just as Smith did. And if your goal is to win a title because you had the best team in the league - well Dak is probably someone you move on from. But Dak's also a guy that will keep you in the national dialogue. He'll move units, so to speak. If your goal is to remain competitive, try to catch a break, win a weak division and then have a miracle kind of 'lightning in a bottle' Joe Flacco run to a title...well, keep Dak. Because the odds are pretty high that the Cowboys will be worse over the next 5 years if they move on from Prescott than they would be if they kept him.

Now the latter option is probably still QB purgatory, but Jerrah's not getting younger. He may well just not feel like dealing with a rebuild that he may not live to see the end of.

You don’t pay a QB that kind of money who routinely fails when things around him aren’t going well. He doesn’t elevate the team and at that price you better be able to.

So if Dallas lets him walk, it will be interesting to see what he can get in the open market. He is probably hoping Mahomes will sign a deal around $40M salary or higher in the coming months. Then Dak demands more than the $35M salary offered by Dallas.

I want him to make as much as possible.

I don’t want my team eating up cap space for a guy that folds under pressure.

That's easy to say when you're not the guy who may end up staring at 25K empty seats in your (self-funded) billion dollar football mecca if the guy you try to replace him with turns out to be Josh Rosen.

Jerry Jones has won titles. And Dak Prescott is a known quantity - the Cowboys brand will be just fine with Prescott under center for another 10 years.

From a pure football standpoint, you're right. But there are business considerations in play here as well. As Chiefs fans, we understand that because we lived the 'just don't suck' life for 20 years under Carl and Lamar. But y'know what, the 'just don't suck' model made those guys a LOT of money.

It's an easy decision as a fan - it's a lot murkier as an owner.

Guessing letting him walk is forcing him to play under the tag this year $33 million and revisit the contract next year or trade him.

That’s what I mean. Dak is hoping to play on the franchise tag this season and watch Mahomes blow the QB market out of the water, which then helps Dak get an even higher salary than the $35M Dallas offer.

And Daks coach was Jason Garrett. Marvin's better.

At least from Dallas's point he is going to have to get them to the playoffs to get much more. Which for Jerry is a good thing.

Better defensive mind, sure

Offensively?

LOL

Yep. he's not worth that kind of coin.

Heh

He sucks. Cowboys should pay him $50M/yr.

Jerry should pay Cam Newton $5M this year and rescind the tag on Dak.

If cam is healthy

Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Dave Krieg and Trent Green are all better than Dak Prescott.

Castle?

Dak is going into Kaepernick stupid territory. He is over playing his hand.

If he gets $40-45 million or more a year, I'll be the first to say I know jack shit.

You play Dalton, let him walk, and try to get a real QB...PERIOD. Don't overpay for an average player and hamstring your cap for 5 years to go 8-8

He's more talented.

Wentz carried a team of 2nd and 3rd stringers into the playoffs last year.

I couldn't care less about Dak, the Cowboys or any other NFL player outside of the Chiefs and their roster but goddamn!

The man just turned down $175 MILLION dollars.

Say what you will about his talent level and ability but that takes ****ing BALLS.

I want him to walk just to hear skip cry

God, I wish Denver, Raid, or Diego had this problem.

It's glorious.

That indeed would make my day

If I were a GM...this is a statistic I would give a lot of weight to.

If you are going to pay a player elite money...they would have to have elite traits. The ability to rally your team is one of those...

Same reason I wouldn't sign Matt Stafford...he's like 9-45 against teams with winning records.

You either have this or you dont...Alex Smith was the same. If you were down 2 scores in the 4th...there was like a 10% chance he would lead a comeback.

Dak had 8 chances to lead his team back...and it didn't happen once. Mahomes did it in three consecutive post season games...

I've been interested as to how many 4th qtr comebacks Mahomey has under his belt already. Can somebody look that up. I'm getting my boat ready for tomorrow. Thanks in advance. I'll be sure to rep you.

They have a better problem. They believe in shit quarterbacks. Lock Carr and Herbert or I guess technically Tyrod Taylor.

If you find a top 10 QB you pretty much have to pay them. It sucks but it’s the market these days.

I don’t think he’ll ever be an elite guy, but he’s not yet hit his prime. Perhaps he will blossom into a top QB.

I don't know about that. He doesn't pass the eye test. He has had some really good teams that should win the division and go deep in the playoffs. Hasn't happened.

He will crutch the team further with the deal he turned down. They can start Dalton at 7m and get the same amount of wins.

To me he is a different type of Alex Smith. A means qb. Put him on a good team, he will bring them down in clutch to average. Put him on a bad team he will bring them up to average also.
His stats come when shit didn't matter.

They should have traded him this draft. Now teams will offer yes because the outcome will be this if he starts.
Does average or better this year, he wants even more money. Does less, still wants the money but teams will not be offering anything great.

To me he is cousins type of qb. Middle of the pack.

Wouldn't it be great if they were stuck in QB purgatory for 50 years?

OH YEAH

Dak seems to find a way to snatch a loss from the jaws of victory.

Mr. Unclutch.

If you find a top 10 QB. That is pretty much the question here. Some stats support that he is. The 0-8 stat says he is not. He has had the top line in football most of his career. He has had one of the best RB's, and has not played that well without him. His TE has been top tier. And his WR's have not been all that bad either. Yet there are still question marks.

Me. I wouldn't pay the man.

I think it'd be a bit hard to argue that he's not top 12 at the very least. Factoring in age, durability, etc. he's one of the best "pay him" prospects in the league.

You're committing to 5 years of "just not good enough". Terrible decision to pay him.

Dak is passing up a great contract for what? He's Alex Smith with a talented team... IMHO he's consistently underperformed the last few years

No you don't. Tell Dak to stuff it and when he again underperforms, draft another QB and let Dalton be the bridge

Dak Prescott has played four seasons with a stacked roster.

Dak Prescott, in those four seasons with a stacked roster, has won as many playoff games as Patrick Mahomes has lost in his career.

Dallas needs to move on, Dak isn't worth that much.

Can Dallas trade Dak right now and try to make this a "Trade For Trevor" year?

It probably won't work though. Andy Dalton will win some games with that roster so they won't be close enough to Trade-up for Trevor.

Stafford & maybe Murray as well. that puts him at 9 or 10. If Big Ben is close to old form he's better than Dak as well.

So you're going to blame him for the NFL not rigging games in his favor? Wow.

Yep.

Absolutely unbelievable. He REALLY thinks he is worth even that much? He better get while the getting is good. :rolleyes:

They should just move on. Prescott isn't worth anywhere near that.

when was the last time Dallas had a playoff win?

...are they the new Chiefs circa 1993 - 2016 etc.

Or a really stupid agent.....:hmmm:

Has this ever happened?

They should just cut him and let him find out how much he's really worth on the open market. I don't think he'd get close to that much.

I disagree, a QB hitting the open market that is what is he 27? He would make bank.

Isn't 5 for 175 bank?

What is the guarantee on that deal though? Without that figure we don't know what it really looks like.

If he performs to those numbers, he's not going to get cut. If he doesn't, then he wasn't worth 5 for 175.

If you want to throw in the injury angle, I am not that excited about still paying Berry and not being able to add an extra piece or two... or being able to get Jones done right now.

Dak is a ****ing idiot.

Think you need to wait to mid July to see if he actually passes it up. At this point it is still negotiations, it is not like Dallas is going to pull the deal. But some may depend upon the guarantees as well. I mean he makes 31 this year regardless. A good year and Dallas has problems next year. He could very well try for the Cousins gold mine of playing on the tag for two year if they do not offer enough guaranteed money in the deal.

Just my opinion, but he ought to take that money and laugh his ass off as he spends it. There's no way he's worth $35M a year. I realize QB is the most important position, but to tie up 15-20% of your team's cap on Prescott is just insane.

The guy is VERY average.

That offense lives/dies with Zeke.

Hey. Did someone hear a toilet flush? That was your credibility flushed away after this moronic gem.

If you honestly believe that Mahomes unique skillset only contributes 25% of the success of the offense, please, try to muster up enough pride to take your own life.

Dementia has clearly set in, your quality of life must be horrific.

Just end it. Be at peace.

Suffer from terminal dumb****ery no longer.

What in the actual **** are you babbling about?

The guy that was shitting on Andy Reid is going to lecture someone else on credibility?

Get the **** outta here...

Over his career, Dak has averaged 24 TDs, 8 INTs, and 3300 yards/season.

He's 0-8 when trailing at the half.

He's had the league's best OL for most of his career.

He's had a top-5 running game in Zeke for his entire career.

He's had above average receivers for his entire career (top-12 over his career).

Since Dak became the starter, the Cowboys have a playoff record of 1-2.

Dak doesn't deserve $35 million/year. He deserves about $5 million/year more than Andy Dalton's starting money.

Watch Dak in Philly last year to get control of the division in the final weeks. He was absolute ass and was missing open players left and right.

That game reminds me of Alex Smith vs the Steelers.

Say what you will, but we never gave Alex top money. Andy was never that stupid.

This is the classic example of two fools meeting.
Cowboys fools for offering the money.
Prescott for turning it down.

In a pre-COVID world, that was too much money to give Dak.

In this current climate, where we don't even know if/when there will be football (or for how long), he's a ****ing idiot for not running to sign that thing.

The difference between Dak leading the Cowboys and Dalton leading the Cowboys is negligible. Dak is not a game-changing quarterback. He's not Mahomes, or Russell Wilson, or Brees or Jackson or Watson or even Rodgers (although Rodgers is about to exit the "game-changing QB" club, just as Brady did last season). Those guys above can add wins to their team's total just by being under center. They deserve big money. Dak does not. Compared to what Dalton is making, they're better off putting that Dak money to good use on surrounding players.

Cowherd quoted one of the advanced metric sites earlier today, which said that Dak was worth about 4 points more than Dalton per game.

That's the difference between the 6th ranked offense for the 'Boys last year and the 16th ranked.

I mean...that's not nothing.

The Chiefs were ranked 7th in scoring defense last year. That was fueled almost entirely by the 11.5 ppg they gave up over their last 6 games.

Through the first 11 games of the season they gave up 22 PPG. At that pace they'd have ended up ranked 15th in the league in scoring defense.

And I know it's a bit of a twisted logic because it's comparing offense to defense, but defensive improvement has been our focus for a couple years so it's what we feel the most. Had the Chiefs stayed at the same level, we'd have shrugged at the end of the year and would've thought "okay - the defense is alright but it's not gonna win us anything - Mahomes will have to do it for us..."

You let Dak continue to run the Cowboys offense at a top 20% of the league level and they have a puncher's chance. But if they hove around the middle with Dalton - that's gone. They essentially have a .500 ceiling.

Someone will give Dak that money and if the Cowboys have to roll with Dalton, they won't be anything more than a fringe playoff team. So when you have a market set (rightly or wrongly) at a certain level and a team chooses not to pay market prices to remain relevant, that should be seen as an indictment of that organization.

What an anus

Okay, I can see all of that.

But is that all worth $40 million/year? Give him $40 million/year, and they can kiss having that ensemble of OL, Zeke, Cooper good-bye. And we know that Dak can't carry a team based on his performance thus far. So you pay him, and he loses some of his OL, or some defensive players, or the ability to shore up that receiving corp. And then DAL is back to being a 8-8 team. Again.

Which was my point really. Without a great top-tier team surrounding Dak, he's a little better than Andy. Pay him and they can't afford his supporting cast.

Not very many because the Chiefs are usually leading games heading into 4th quarter.

This is a lose/lose situation.

If the Cowboys pay Dak, they’re probably ****ed. If they don’t, they’re probably ****ed too.

That’s why I’m so critical of young QB’s. If they aren’t elite, paying them probably won’t work out.

Goff is the most recent example of this.

Well if he's looking for $45 in the last year, that puts his AAV at, what, $37 million?

Where else you gonna spend that if you're Dallas? They'll have moved on from Lawrence by 2022 at this rate. They have the other important parts already in their salary structure other than Vander Esch who may simply not be able to keep playing. They'll likely have maybe $160 million on their cap by then with a projected $250 million figure.

They don't have any other obvious extensions needed right now and the FA market is ALWAYS inflated so plowing money into FAs around a bottom 1/3 QB isn't gonna be a more efficient use of the space.

I just don't see spending less money on a worse QB making them any better because that freed up cap space isn't needed to keep guys like Cooper, Elliott, Collins, Martin or Tyron Smith. Those guys fit even with a big deal for Dak. The rest is fairly replaceable.

I'm not saying Dak's an outstanding player - I'm simply saying that I don't think the Cowboys are better over the next 3-4 years by moving on from him and reallocating his money towards less critical options they bring in through FA. And when the market dictates that Dak can get that kind of payday in FA (and I think it does), then you might as well bite the bullet and pay your guy.

If Jerry was smart (and he's not), he would have traded Dak for 2021 First Round pick along with a few mid-round choices while heading into the season with Dalton at the helm.

They'd likely finish in the Top Ten, maybe even Top 5 because their defense needs a lot of help, and with two first rounders and say an extra 3rd and a 5th, go all in on the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes.

Yeah, but if you're an NFL team you can't just say "If we don't have Mahomes, we're ****ed..."

Even if you probably are.

So you have to pick the best of less than stellar options and then figure out how to make it work. Sure, they'd like to stumble into another Dak or Wilson and have him dirt cheap for several years. But man - Jordan Love is going in the first round these days. Teams are hard up for QBs and unless they draft top 5, attempting to draft a guy is likely to yield a worse QB than what they have. The demand for young QBs is so high that any truly good bets will go top 5.

The QB market is ****ed up. Everyone knows this. But at the same time, nobody seemed to be too concerned about it during CBA discussions. If it was something the owners were really all that worried about, they'd have addressed it then.