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Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 15020068)
What's the good ones? I guess Raiders and Cowboys are obvious.

Hmm, if we think about the NFL's names, which are acceptable, which are borderline, and which need to be replaced? Let's take a look.

And this presumes that we'l continue trampling on the unique identities of animals with no interest in what they want.

NFC East

Cowboys - It's a profession, not a race thing. So that works. But CowBOYs is very gender-exclusive. Change it to to Cowpokes and we're good.

Giants - Again, male exclusive. What about giantesses? Change it to something general neutral, such as Behemoths.

Eagles - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Eagles is fine.

Redskins - Okay, that doesn't work at all. Just strike it off the list. And anything involving Founding Fathers is highly risky due to patriarchal language in the Founding Documents and slave ownership. Even Columbia is female-oriented. There's really no acceptable name here so the team should be moved. But if you keep the team, the most inclusive name that typifies the city is the Ambassadors.

So the NFC East is:

Dallas Cowpokes
New York Behemoths
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Ambassadors

Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:19 PM

NFC North next.

Bears - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Bears is fine.

Lions - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Lions is fine.

Packers - Treading dangerously close to the LGBTQ line, and the original Packers were named after the Indian Packing Company. That's therefore a hard pass. Indian Packing was purchased soon thereafter by Acme Packing, and of course the Acme Corporation's biggest client is Wile E. Coyote. So change it to Coyotes.

Vikings - While it's kind of a profession, it's mostly an ethnic/nationalist identifier. Can't do that. So what else is Minnesota known far? I think Minnesota has ermines and snow, but we probably can't embrace too much white stuff. They have cold, but what's dangerous about cold? Got it - Minnesota is the Frostbite.

NFC North becomes:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Coyotes
Minnesota Frostbite

Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:27 PM

NFC South next.

Falcons - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Falcons can stay.

Panthers - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Panthers can stay.

Saints - Way too eurocentric and religious. I'm surprised there's not been a lot of pushback on this. As far as new names, Mardi Gras names will be offensive to women who don't like the toplessness traditions, so we can't use those. The Louisiana Purchase is obviously about European conquest, so that's a no. I think our only option is Shrimp as a regional identifier. Maybe you could go with Beignets, but doughnuts aren't very scary. Shrimp it is. (Or is it shrimps?)

Buccaneers - This is a tough one. Buccaneer is a profession, and I think the term applies to both men and women. I've never heard of a female word for Buccaneer. However, the name does promote crime. and we're all against crime unless we're the ones doing it. So Buccaneers is out. What else is central Florida known for? Seniors, of course, and Early Bird dinner specials. Early Birds would be an awesome name, so let's go with that.

NFC South:

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Shrimp
Tampa Bay Early Birds

Megatron96 06-14-2020 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020767)
NFC South next.

Falcons - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Falcons can stay.

Panthers - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Panthers can stay.

Saints - Way too eurocentric and religious. I'm surprised there's not been a lot of pushback on this. As far as new names, Mardi Gras names will be offensive to women who don't like the toplessness traditions, so we can't use those. The Louisiana Purchase is obviously about European conquest, so that's a no. I think out only option is Shrimp as a regional identifier. Maybe you could go with Beignets, but doughnuts aren't very scary. Shrimp it is. (Or is it shrimps?)

Buccaneers - This is a tough one. Buccaneer is a profession, and I think the term applies to both men and women. I've never heard of a female word for Buccaneer. However, the name does promote crime. and we're all against crime unless we're the ones doing it. So Buccaneers is out. What else is central Florida known for? Seniors, of course, and Early Bird dinner specials. Early Birds would be an awesome name, so let's go with that.

NFC South:

Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Shrimp
Tampa Bay Early Birds

NO/Louisiana is probably better known for crawfish than shrimp. So, maybe "Crawdads"? probably too gender specific . . . "Mudbugs"? "Yabbies"?

Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:40 PM

NFC West.

Cardinals - It's kind of a dumb name for the desert, but there's tradition there. The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. Cardinals can stay.

Rams - Again, have there ever been Rams in Los Angeles? The name is fine from an animal perspective, but not from a gender perspective. It's too male-centric. We'll default back to the more inclusive name of Sheep.

Seahawks - The NFC West is really bad at animals. I don't think this is even a real animal, so it needs to be renamed. Seattle is known for coffee, vagrants, commercial aircraft, and salmon. Let's go with Salmon for the alliterative ring. It sounds way better than the current name, too.

49ers - Nope. Manifest Destiny doesn't fly in the modern world, and the 49ers most likely did a lot of environmental damage to boot. San Francisco is known for the gay community, vagrants, Alcatraz, and the bay. Prisons are not good from a racial equity standpoint, and we can't narrow in on the gay and vagrant populations. What else is big there? Bridges, but you can't go with "Bridgers" since that's reminiscent of mountain man Jim Bridger, who brought a white presence to native lands. Chinatown is obviously out of play. "Bay" reminds one of Bayer, which is German and big pharma, and we can't do anything Tech related due to their reputation for misogyny. Earthquakes will trigger people, and Trolleys could have an income stigma. They probably should just move this team, but if you have to go with a name, I think you go with the Coasters since being on the coast is the only thing that's not offensive about the city.

NFC West:

Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Sheep
Seattle Salmon
San Francisco Coasters

Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15020784)
NO/Louisiana is probably better known for crawfish than shrimp. So, maybe "Crawdads"? probably too gender specific . . . "Mudbugs"? "Yabbies"?

Is etoufee shrimp or crawfish? I'm open to crawfish, though as you noted, crawdads is a nonstarter.

Megatron96 06-14-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020801)
Is etoufee shrimp or crawfish? I'm open to crawfish, though as you noted, crawdads is a nonstarter.

"Etouffee" is a style of dish. literally means "smothered." Essentially Etouffee refers to the sauce/gravy used. I like crawfish etouffee a lot more than i like shrimp Etouffee.

Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:53 PM

AFC East.

Bills - Glorifying a gun-carrying white guy who brought a large mammal species to the brink of extinction. How is this happening in the 21st century? This one's easy. Let's honor the victims instead with Buffalo.

Dolphins - The next generation can tackle the intellectual and cultural property rights of animals. And dolphins are smart enough that they can file suit if they don't like it. Dolphins stays.

Jets - This one seems easy unless you've ever lived in a country that was bombed by jets. We can remove the war aspect and keep the wondrous travel aspect alive with a simple change to jetliners. But how does 9/11 fit this narrative? I don't like it. Let's move from the technology to the experience and go with Travelers. It matches the international flavor the city. (I guess you could also go with Immigrants in that regard, but New York was mostly European immigrants, so that's a soft no.)

Patriots - Obviously too political. The name has been co-opted by the far right. And patriots are also known for following founding fathers, many of whom were slave holders. (Maybe not so much in Massachusetts, but you get the drift.) And these people framed Native Americans for the Boston Tea Party. No thank you. Boston's identity is through history, so we can hearken back to the past with a name like Redskins or Beaneaters. The more I think about it, probably not Redskins so let's go with Beaneaters. It's race and gender neutral.

AFC East

Buffalo Buffalo
Miami Dolphins
New York Travelers
Boston Beaneaters

Rain Man 06-14-2020 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15020809)
"Etouffee" is a style of dish. literally means "smothered." Essentially Etouffee refers to the sauce/gravy used. I like crawfish etouffee a lot more than i like shrimp Etouffee.

We can put it up to a vote, then. I have no concerns about either name.

Rain Man 06-14-2020 06:05 PM

AFC North

Ravens - Animal rights again. But Ravens can stay.

Browns - Oh, come on. Who's doing this stuff? Replace this immediately. There's an obvious replacement in Eries, which sounds really cool, but apparently that's a local Indian tribe so we have to eliminate it. Cleveland's a tough one when you think about what it offers - Lebrons is too black-centric, Sausages is too Polish-centric, DrewCareys is too white-centric. You could go with Lakers, but that's already taken. There are a lot of presidents from that area, but they're all white male presidents and half of them were assassinated. Cleveland's heyday was in the Gilded age with big, smoking factories that were environmental and worker rights issues. They really should move this team, but perhaps you can build around their proximity to the birthplace of the NFL in Canton. I'd go with the Cleveland Historians.

Bengals - Stop trying to get fancy. Are you really differentiating between Bengal Tigers and other breeds of tigers? That's being separatist and non-inclusive of Siberian Tigers and Sumatran Tigers, and it also shows a pro-India bias. Just make it Tigers.

Steelers - Is that even a word? And in spoken terms it glamorizes petty crime. There's no reason you can't honor the profession and keep it gender and race-neutral by going with Steelworkers.

So the AFC North is...

Baltimore Ravens
Cleveland Historians
Cincinnati Tigers
Pittsburgh Steelworkers

candyman 06-14-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020834)

Patriots - Obviously too political. The name has been co-opted by the far right. And patriots are also known for following founding fathers, many of whom were slave holders. (Maybe not so much in Massachusetts, but you get the drift.) And these people framed Native Americans for the Boston Tea Party. No thank you. Boston's identity is through history, so we can hearken back to the past with a name like Redskins or Beaneaters. The more I think about it, probably not Redskins so let's go with Beaneaters. It's race and gender neutral.

Do you really think its sensitive to call them the Beaneaters? What if they have Hispanic players on the team? Maybe they should just be the Boston Football Team.

Rain Man 06-14-2020 06:33 PM

AFC South

Texans. At first it seems innocuous. But Mexican-Americans living in Texas use the term Tejanos, so Texans as a term excludes them. And then you've got that whole history of Texas fighting with Mexico which isn't very internationalist. So let's rework it. What's big in Houston? Oil is, but naming the team the Oilers isn't environmentally conscious. They're well known for bad zoning and mosquitos, so I think Mosquitos could work. But what really scares people about Houston? I think we all know, and it makes for a nice alliterative name. The Humidity.

Colts - Name the team after an adult animal, for crying out loud. Colts will work, but at least be a horse. Are you trying to intimidate opponents or not?

Jaguars - This one is a little risky since it could be seen as cultural appropriate from the Aztecs. But on the surface I think it can stand up to scrutiny since the jaguar symbol isn't wearing Aztec finery or standing on a pyramid. This one can stand.

Titans - Eurocentric mythology. That's a no. Thumbtacks could work, but that's kind of circular logic. You can't go with anything related to country music since that's a redneck thing. Tennessee was a rebellious state in the Civil War, so you have to eliminate any references there. What else is Tennessee known for? Moon pies and goo goo clusters are probably already copyrighted. I'm kind of stumped. Looking through some documents about things that are specific to Tennessee, I see the Tennessee Trillium, which is a very rare flowering plant that exists in only two Tennessee counties. Lacking any other options, I'll go with the Trilliums.

AFC South is now:

Houston Humidity
Indianapolis Horses
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Trilliums

Rain Man 06-14-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by candyman (Post 15020911)
Do you really think its sensitive to call them the Beaneaters? What if they have Hispanic players on the team?

Hmm, I'm not up on my racial slurs. I thought Beaneaters were universal. I could consider changing it to Boston Lobsters if that wouldn't anger Maine.

candyman 06-14-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020915)
Hmm, I'm not up on my racial slurs. I thought Beaneaters were universal. I could consider changing it to Boston Lobsters if that wouldn't anger Maine.

I dont think "beaneater" is necessarily a racial slur, but it would definitely offend someone eventually.

displacedinMN 06-14-2020 06:44 PM

Inside the brain of Rain Man must be an experience.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-14-2020 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 15020049)
It is a shitty name and a shitty brand overall but its ours and its not really that bad. Would love to change it but understand that won't happen.

What kind of pathetic bullshit is this??

Rain Man 06-14-2020 06:52 PM

AFC West

Broncos - Technically, this is a gender-neutral name, though it's Spanish origins make it seem male with the 'o' sound. I'm concerned about perceptions. Also, broncos are a sub-type of horse, which makes it non-inclusive. I'm going to have to veto it. We could go with Horses, but Indianapolis already got that. So Denver needs a total makeover. I think it's pretty obvious that it should be mountain related or altitude related. You could throw a white helmet on them and call them the Snowcaps, but that's too white. I'd go with the Peaks.

Chiefs - Technically, this should be good. Chief is a profession that is unrelated to race, and I think to gender. (Is there a feminine version of 'chief'?) But the team has embraced a profession within an ethnicity with its Native American emphasis, so it no longer can stand. You could go with an Oregon Trail theme here and go with Trailers, but that's probably not a great brand image. I don't know if ermines are native to the area or not. I think it's clear that the most famous thing about Kansas City is barbecue, so we'll go with Saucers. You can give it an alien theme if you like.

Chargers - First off, no one knows what a charger is, other than that thing that powers up your phone. The name was a failure from the start. Let's embrace what really makes Los Angeles famous, and what people do there instead of going to pro football games. The Surfers.

Raiders - Pro-crime name, and one can argue that their logo exploits people with facial disfigurements. The name's gotta go. We can't go with their historical runner up of Senors for obvious reasons. Now that they're in Las Vegas, it's time for a complete makeover. What is Las Vegas known for? Hookers, elderly gamblers, Buddy Hackett, buffet meals, runaways who are destined to become hookers - what do we have to work with? We can't go with gamblers since that glorifies vice. Showgirls is fun, but too gender specific. I have to go with the most noticeable thing about Las Vegas - the Lights.

So the AFC West is ...

Denver Peaks
Kansas City Saucers
Los Angeles Surfers
Las Vegas Lights

Jewish Rabbi 06-14-2020 06:56 PM

Why not the Kansas City Anal Rapers? Everyone can be anally raped, and Patrick Mahomes does that to opposing defenses on the regular.

Rain Man 06-14-2020 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 15020941)
Why not the Kansas City Anal Rapers? Everyone can be anally raped, and Patrick Mahomes does that to opposing defenses on the regular.

It's an interesting concept, but I think it would be too confusing relative to the east and west coast teams.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-14-2020 07:10 PM

If they would cave they'd be the Kansas City Kucks

Baby Lee 06-14-2020 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020935)
(Is there a feminine version of 'chief'?)

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120903182025

displacedinMN 06-14-2020 08:42 PM

Would still be able to get Chiefs Merchandise?

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A little more than two-and-a-half years have passed since then-president Robert Kelley announced that the University of North Dakota would make its athletic programs’ nickname the Fighting Hawks, with the majority vote-getter replacing the Fighting Sioux. The outgoing moniker had been in use for roughly 16 years, with the school having altered that from “The Sioux,” a simpler yet nonetheless controversy-causing choice that it had adopted back in 1930. An email spat between current leader Mark Kennedy and the trustee of a foundation that has endowed the university with millions marks yet another chapter in the acceptance, or lack thereof, of the new nickname and logo.

But the real story is the bizarre set of circumstances that has forced the University of North Dakota to keep selling some merchandise bearing the old Fighting Sioux name and branding.

The latest matter in a saga that essentially started in 1999 pits Kennedy against the Engelstad Family Foundation, whose namesake played hockey for the university. More importantly, one could contend, his family’s name appears on the main sites for athletic competition on the Grand Forks campus, with his eponymous spot hosting hockey action and the Betty Engelstad Sioux Center serving as the source for basketball and volleyball duels.

The school president and trustee Kris Engelstad McGarry, Ralph’s daughter, are at odds over what branding should appear on the arena's center court, with Kennedy hoping for the Fighting Hawks logo to have the honor and the trustee favoring the standard University of North Dakota logo to receive the distinction. That would push the Fighting Hawks identifier to the side of the court, a move that Kennedy feels would not help to promote the new branding or move merchandise. McGarry, meanwhile, holds that the "UND" logo would keep at ease fans and supporters who “do not identify with Fighting Hawks" after the logo’s ill-received unveiling.


Her reasoning is interesting and could lead opponents of it to state that, yes, backers do not identify much with the Fighting Hawks image because they still think of, and perhaps admire, the Fighting Sioux insignia more. The second part of that possibility received a bit of credence through an Associated Press report on the spat between Kennedy and McGarry, noting that hockey game attendees still chant “Let’s go Sioux” from the stands.

That navigation between two branding worlds, one would think, figures to become easier as fans become more accustomed to the Fighting Hawks identification. But those who hold dear to the Fighting Sioux moniker need not necessarily become that accepting of the new term, based on a head-scratching decision by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA).


The governing body for more than 1,200 institutions and affiliated conferences played a huge role in the genesis of the present flap, as it threatened to place sanctions on the University of North Dakota in 2005 if officials did not decide to abandon what was deemed a "culturally insensitive" athletic nickname. Seven years later, residents voted to drop the Fighting Sioux as the program’s signifier, but the NCAA stipulated that the school must continue to make use of the Fighting Sioux brand so as not to lose the trademark. Yes, you read that right. The school, scolded for calling on the controversial nickname, must keep it alive, which it does through its Dacotah Legacy Collection.

“UND is in such a horrible position because of this agreement,” radio host and Fargo-Moorhead Forum columnist Mike McFeely said in a 2016 VICE article on the mandatory measure. “There’s really nothing else they can do.”

Two years after he offered his estimation, five Fighting Sioux products remain available as reminders, one might say, of the NCAA’s lackluster handling of everything. This has been an interesting year for analyzing the lifetime of controversial nicknames and logos, as the Cleveland Indians, who will abandon their Chief Wahoo logo beginning next season, will still market goods with the caricature on them in Northeast Ohio and Goodyear, Ariz., the team’s spring training site.

Sports teams, both professional and amateur, are now more than ever finding themselves needing to address their logo and nickname choices with respect to Native Americans. With the Indians and Fighting Hawks/Fighting Sioux as recent high-profile cases, we wonder if those who favor the complete eradication of such appropriations will one day be able to celebrate a complete victory. Given the scope of copyright and trademark rulings and the money that people can make off goods, no matter how insensitive or out of touch they are, though, they might have to continue to settle for partial wins.

Rain Man 06-14-2020 08:48 PM

"Fighting Hawks". What a horrible name. No wonder it can't get any traction. If they had gone with Ermines they'd be seeing sold-out crowds at every sporting event, and people all over the country would be wearing Ermine gear.

Megatron96 06-14-2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15021075)
"Fighting Hawks". What a horrible name. No wonder it can't get any traction. If they had gone with Ermines they'd be seeing sold-out crowds at every sporting event, and people all over the country would be wearing Ermine gear.

Isn't an ermine basically a weasel or something?

Tribal Warfare 06-14-2020 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 15021057)

Where the **** is that bitch Carmen Sandiego

Hammock Parties 06-14-2020 09:31 PM

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Packers - Treading dangerously close to the LGBTQ line
https://media.giphy.com/media/KmrpxS...zed-medium.gif

Hammock Parties 06-14-2020 09:37 PM

Loved that breakdown Rain Man.

Tomorrow I think I'll flip it on it's head and come up the MOST offensive NFL nicknames I can think of.

Baby Lee 06-14-2020 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 15021136)
Where the **** is that bitch Carmen Sandiego

Excellent query, Gumshoe!!!

Rain Man 06-14-2020 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15021086)
Isn't an ermine basically a weasel or something?

An ermine is the most elegant, adorable, and merciless killing machine on the planet. And yeah, it's kind of a weasel.

penguinz 06-15-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 15020489)
:bravo::bravo::bravo:

Soccer is the world's sport, so let's just call it a socialist sport that coined the term 'football';) and then America came along and legitimized the game and the term 'football' calling it the NFL in which a lot of $$ can be made by a lot of people(capitalism). You can't say that about soccer.;)

More money is made by Soccer than the NFL could ever dream of.

Hammock Parties 06-15-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15021163)
Loved that breakdown Rain Man.

Tomorrow I think I'll flip it on it's head and come up the MOST offensive NFL nicknames I can think of.

About halfway through.

Did you guys known the Cotton Gin was invented in Atlanta?

Hammock Parties 06-15-2020 03:43 PM

OK. You can read the highly offensive version of NFL Nicknames here.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...7#post15022327

Pre-rompered, for good measure.

This was an enjoyable endeavor in pretending to be an evil version of Rain Man.

KurtCobain 06-15-2020 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15022329)
OK. You can read the highly offensive version of NFL Nicknames here.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...7#post15022327

Pre-rompered, for good measure.

This was an enjoyable endeavor in pretending to be an evil version of Rain Man.

I didn't know it was possible to be more evil than Rain Man.

BigRedChief 06-15-2020 07:11 PM

Just popping in to say **** you Pitch.nlm

Rain Man 06-15-2020 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain (Post 15022585)
I didn't know it was possible to be more evil than Rain Man.

You can't believe everything you read in those victim impact statements.

JohnnyV13 06-15-2020 10:08 PM

I have it on good authority that changing the team name to the Kansas City Kaepernick's would be acceptable.

ChiefsFanatic 06-15-2020 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020913)
AFC South



Texans. At first it seems innocuous. But Mexican-Americans living in Texas use the term Tejanos, so Texans as a term excludes them. And then you've got that whole history of Texas fighting with Mexico which isn't very internationalist. So let's rework it. What's big in Houston? Oil is, but naming the team the Oilers isn't environmentally conscious. They're well known for bad zoning and mosquitos, so I think Mosquitos could work. But what really scares people about Houston? I think we all know, and it makes for a nice alliterative name. The Humidity.



Colts - Name the team after an adult animal, for crying out loud. Colts will work, but at least be a horse. Are you trying to intimidate opponents or not?



Jaguars - This one is a little risky since it could be seen as cultural appropriate from the Aztecs. But on the surface I think it can stand up to scrutiny since the jaguar symbol isn't wearing Aztec finery or standing on a pyramid. This one can stand.



Titans - Eurocentric mythology. That's a no. Thumbtacks could work, but that's kind of circular logic. You can't go with anything related to country music since that's a redneck thing. Tennessee was a rebellious state in the Civil War, so you have to eliminate any references there. What else is Tennessee known for? Moon pies and goo goo clusters are probably already copyrighted. I'm kind of stumped. Looking through some documents about things that are specific to Tennessee, I see the Tennessee Trillium, which is a very rare flowering plant that exists in only two Tennessee counties. Lacking any other options, I'll go with the Trilliums.



AFC South is now:



Houston Humidity

Indianapolis Horses

Jacksonville Jaguars

Tennessee Trilliums

I think you missed the obvious name for Tennessee, which is the Tennessee Whiskey, because of Jack Daniel's and all.

I would say that the name Whiskey could be insensitive to people suffering from alcoholism, but football and alcohol are married to each other, so I think it could stand.

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ChiefsFanatic 06-15-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020935)
AFC West

Broncos - Technically, this is a gender-neutral name, though it's Spanish origins make it seem male with the 'o' sound. I'm concerned about perceptions. Also, broncos are a sub-type of horse, which makes it non-inclusive. I'm going to have to veto it. We could go with Horses, but Indianapolis already got that. So Denver needs a total makeover. I think it's pretty obvious that it should be mountain related or altitude related. You could throw a white helmet on them and call them the Snowcaps, but that's too white. I'd go with the Peaks.

Chiefs - Technically, this should be good. Chief is a profession that is unrelated to race, and I think to gender. (Is there a feminine version of 'chief'?) But the team has embraced a profession within an ethnicity with its Native American emphasis, so it no longer can stand. You could go with an Oregon Trail theme here and go with Trailers, but that's probably not a great brand image. I don't know if ermines are native to the area or not. I think it's clear that the most famous thing about Kansas City is barbecue, so we'll go with Saucers. You can give it an alien theme if you like.

Chargers - First off, no one knows what a charger is, other than that thing that powers up your phone. The name was a failure from the start. Let's embrace what really makes Los Angeles famous, and what people do there instead of going to pro football games. The Surfers.

Raiders - Pro-crime name, and one can argue that their logo exploits people with facial disfigurements. The name's gotta go. We can't go with their historical runner up of Senors for obvious reasons. Now that they're in Las Vegas, it's time for a complete makeover. What is Las Vegas known for? Hookers, elderly gamblers, Buddy Hackett, buffet meals, runaways who are destined to become hookers - what do we have to work with? We can't go with gamblers since that glorifies vice. Showgirls is fun, but too gender specific. I have to go with the most noticeable thing about Las Vegas - the Lights.

So the AFC West is ...

Denver Peaks
Kansas City Saucers
Los Angeles Surfers
Las Vegas Lights

I think if we were going to rename our team based on the city and bbq, we could be the Kansas City Barbecue, and the logo could be the letter Q with the KC inside of the Q.

As for the Raiders, you mentioned strippers, the kind that take their clothes off in rhythm to bad music, and you settled on the Lights. But, I propose that the lights you are referring to come mostly from the famous Las Vegas Strip, so, the Las Vegas Strippers would be perfectly acceptable name for the Raiders. Or, they could be the Las Vegas Nomads, because I believe that franchise has now called (or will once they have a game in Vegas) more cities home than any other NFL team history.

I also thought that maybe the Broncos could become the Denver Mile High, because their stadium is a mile higher than sea level, and their fans are also high, from all the legal weed.

Just my thoughts.

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tyecopeland 06-16-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15020632)
I don't think I want my African American tenant referring to me as her owner.

Yeah that one confuses me... we can't call the owner of a sports team an owner because it implies he owns the players but we should call a landlord an owner?

Halfcan 06-16-2020 11:01 PM

I will never stop yelling....Chiefs at the end of the anthem. I was there when it started organically- to tell the other team- you are in Our house now and it is going to be a long day! Anyone saying any different is misinformed.

displacedinMN 06-17-2020 07:52 PM

I am ready for Ermines Planet.

Zebedee DuBois 06-17-2020 08:44 PM

"Chief" is not an indigenous american word. It is a word Europeans extended to natives to denote leadership

Etymology of "Chief" per https://www.etymonline.com/word/chief
chief (adj.)
c. 1300, "highest in rank or power; most important or prominent; supreme, best, placed above the rest," from Old French chief "chief, principal, first" (10c., Modern French chef), from Vulgar Latin *capum (also source of Spanish and Portuguese cabo, Italian capo, Provençal cap), from Latin caput "head," also "leader, guide, chief person; summit; capital city" (from PIE root *kaput- "head").

chief (n.)
c. 1300, "head, leader, captain; the principal or most important part of anything;" from Old French chief "leader, ruler, head" of something, "capital city" (10c., Modern French chef), from Vulgar Latin *capum, from Latin caput "head," also "leader, chief person; summit; capital city" (from PIE root *kaput- "head"). Meaning "head of a clan" is from 1570s; later extended to headmen of American Indian tribes (by 1713; William Penn, 1680s, called them kings). Commander-in-chief attested from 1660s.

ThyKingdomCome15 06-17-2020 08:50 PM

I guess people have nothing better to do than be angry at everything. So lame.

srvy 06-17-2020 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 15020726)
I’ve never understood what’s insensitive about Chiefs, or even Indians. Indians I could understand a little more, but still not really. Redskins I get, but does that even bother native Americans?

Would Vikings, Cowboys, Texans, or Patriots be insensitive?

Personally I’m offended by Jets after 9/11. I’m surprised peta hasn’t come after the Lions, Bears, Dolphins and so on.

Yeah those Dolphins jerked out of the vast ocean and thrown in a round cement pond of water. Made to jump through fire hoops for our entertainment. Their only reward is occasional dolphin rape or a cute blond trainer. At worlds of fun they finally switched to Skipper and Dolly to all Dolly's because of those horny little serial rapists.

displacedinMN 06-18-2020 09:25 AM

Here is more.....Just because Chiefs are mentioned by name



DULUTH – City leaders are making a push to remove the word “chief” from job titles, calling the term offensive to indigenous people.

At a news conference Wednesday, Duluth Mayor Emily Larson implored City Council members to vote to approve the change next week “so that we have more inclusive leadership and less language that is rooted in hurt and offensive, intentional marginalization.”

The measure, slated to go before the council Monday night, would change Chief Administrative Officer Noah Schuchman’s title to city administrator and Chief Financial Officer Wayne Parson’s title to finance director.

“I think that there are other titles that we have the opportunity to use to steer away from language that may put people down based off their race or culture,” said Alicia Kozlowski, Duluth’s community relations officer and member of the Grand Portage and Fond du Lac Bands of Lake Superior Chippewa.

Kozlowski said “chief” is used as “a racial epithet, and it turns into a microaggression.” She added that the city is trying to be proactive by addressing the issue before residents ask.

The discussion echoes ongoing controversies over sport team names like the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians, which indigenous groups have protested since the 1960s. During their playoff run earlier this year, the Kansas City Chiefs — now the defending Super Bowl champions — drew criticism from groups who called the name and the popular “tomahawk chop” cheer offensive.

Larson said the city is also considering changing the titles of Duluth’s police and fire chiefs, though that won’t be decided at Monday’s meeting. The term is used by professional law enforcement associations and to refer to those in comparable public safety roles elsewhere, which makes finding a suitable replacement more challenging — though Larson said Police Chief Mike Tusken and Fire Chief Shawn Krizaj are open to conversations about such efforts.

A spokesperson for the League of Minnesota Cities said he isn’t aware of any other municipalities in the state weighing similar proposals.

The move is part of a larger charge to tweak Duluth’s charter to make language “more inclusive, more reflective, more accurate and more modern,” said Larson, who was elected the city’s first female mayor in 2015.

Nodding to ongoing efforts spurred by the City Council, she said the municipality’s legal foundation should also include “gender-neutral language to better reflect that the mayor is not always going to be a man.”

On Monday evening, the City Council will also vote on a separate measure revising the statement that was published with its new flag design last August.

Duluth officials said Wednesday that feedback showed community members felt the statement was not inclusive enough, so city staff partnered with the local branch of the NAACP to add a line proclaiming the flag a symbol of “commitment to equality and inclusiveness” and an embrace of “the word Umoja, an African principle meaning unity of family, community, nation and our unique ancestries.”

burt 06-18-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 15020271)
Having a soccer team in KC is far more derogatory.

Zach may be a queen, but KC Sporting has hundreds of thousands of supporters.... and as a sport, soccer is much more supported than the NFL.

burt 06-18-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 15020489)
:bravo::bravo::bravo:

Soccer is the world's sport, so let's just call it a socialist sport that coined the term 'football';) and then America came along and legitimized the game and the term 'football' calling it the NFL in which a lot of $$ can be made by a lot of people(capitalism). You can't say that about soccer.;)

While NFL teams are worth up to BILLIONS, Soccer is still lucrative....

"Real Madrid is the most valuable football club in the world in 2019, with a value of 4.239 million dollars, according to the prestigious Forbes publication."

"He's currently playing for the Italian team, Juventus, and the Portugal national team. As of 2020, Cristiano Ronaldo's net worth is roughly $460 million, making him one of the richest athletes in the world.

Spott 06-18-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by burt (Post 15025948)
Zach may be a queen, but KC Sporting has hundreds of thousands of supporters.... and as a sport, soccer is much more supported than the NFL.

Hundreds of thousands of fans? Gtfo. Is it because of their immense popularity that you refer to them by the wrong name? Soccer might be popular in other countries, but not here. It’s pretty far down the list for American sports, although it’s probably more popular than the WNBA.

displacedinMN 06-18-2020 12:02 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Washington Redskins Change Their Name To The D.C. Redskins <a href="https://t.co/IwtLCeZUqz">https://t.co/IwtLCeZUqz</a> <a href="https://t.co/XYX8hojiBP">pic.twitter.com/XYX8hojiBP</a></p>&mdash; The Onion (@TheOnion) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1273644627317448704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


In today's world-what is more offensive.

Washington or Redskin

displacedinMN 06-18-2020 12:13 PM

and now the Texas Rangers


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The injustices of the present are forcing a confrontation with our past — a past wreathed in nostalgia and myths that conceal grim realities. The Civil War ended 155 years ago, but only recently have Americans begun renouncing flags, statues and monuments paying homage to Southern traitors. Other symbols of racist oppression are also under attack.

Lately, the movement has gained momentum. A committee in the Republican-controlled Senate voted to strip the names of Confederate generals from Army bases. Protesters in Richmond pulled down statues of Jefferson Davis and Christopher Columbus. The city of Albuquerque, New Mexico, has removed a statue of a Spanish conquistador.

In Texas, the shift has put one of the world’s most storied law enforcement agencies under harsh scrutiny. City and airport officials recently removed a statue that had stood at Love Field since 1962 — of a Texas Ranger.

The Rangers have always been widely revered in my native state. We learned they were fearless guardians of civilization whose exploits went back to when settlers were fighting Comanche warriors.

They were immortalized in Larry McMurtry’s novel, “Lonesome Dove.” There was a TV series that starred Chuck Norris. The Major League Baseball team in Arlington is called the Texas Rangers.

The legends omit a lot of the reality. A magisterial new book by journalist Doug J. Swanson, “Cult of Glory: The Bold and Brutal History of the Texas Rangers,” lays bare their long record of savagery, lawlessness and racism.

“They burned peasant villages and slaughtered innocents,” he writes. “They committed war crimes. Their murders of Mexicans and Mexican Americans made them as feared on the border as the Ku Klux Klan in the South.”

A century ago, during the fighting that took place along the border during the Mexican Revolution, blood flowed like the Rio Grande. “The terms ‘death squads’ and ‘ethnic cleansing’ would not enter common usage for another sixty years or so,” Swanson notes, “but that was what the Rangers were and what they did.”

Later, they were a bulwark acting to hold back racial equality. When black students tried to enroll in the segregated Texarkana Junior College in 1956, angry whites barred the way, hurling gravel and racial slurs and forcing the students to leave. The Rangers stood idly by.

The message to racists, said a member of the Texas Civil Rights Advisory Committee, was plain: “If you will only assemble a mob, or threaten to do so, the power of the Texas Rangers will be on your side to deny civil rights to schoolchildren.”

When farmworkers, most of them Mexican-American, went on strike in 1966, some were beaten and arrested by Rangers. An old saying is: “Every Texas Ranger has Mexican blood. It’s on his boots.”

The revelations in Swanson’s book were the impetus to take down the Love Field statue. That decision is a good start in coming to grips with the Rangers’ poisonous past.

But the baseball club still carries the name of an agency that struck terror in many nonwhites.

This is not, it turns out, a new issue. Domingo Garcia, a former Dallas City Council member who is national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens, recalls that when the Washington Senators baseball franchise moved to Arlington after the 1971 season, the organization held demonstrations to protest naming the team after the Rangers. “We’ve been the victims of Texas Ranger violence since the 1800s,” he told me.

Benjamin Johnson, a Texan and history professor at Loyola University Chicago, acknowledges that the Rangers no longer murder people or block integration. “But for most of their nearly 200 years of existence, they have been an instrument of white supremacy in Texas,” he says.

In light of all this, the name, like the Confederate names on Army bases, deserves to be relegated to the garbage dump of history. It’s an undeserved tribute that reflects a widespread ignorance, at best, of the Rangers’ malignant past.

It may be argued that the team name honors the current agency, not the worst elements of its history. But without the history and the legends, the franchise would not have adopted the name. No one would name a major league team “The Police” or “The Highway Patrol.”

The Rangers name is an affront to Hispanics, African-Americans and anyone who favors racial equity. It should be an intolerable embarrassment to the owners and fans.

Even the Aunt Jemima brand had to go. And Aunt Jemima never murdered anyone.



Steve Chapman blogs at chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman. Follow him on Twitter @SteveChapman13 or at facebook.com/stevechapman13.

KChiefs1 06-21-2020 05:49 PM

The Pitch trying to call out Chiefs as being racists
 
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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15026172)
and now the Texas Rangers


Holy shit.


Lamar Hunt & Tex Schram met by the Texas Ranger to agree to a merger.

BucEyedPea 06-21-2020 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 15019815)
There is absolutely 0 consensus among Native Americans about all of this... for every outraged view, there’s a high school football team in AZ fighting to keep their Redskins identity

You could always switch the team's name to Fire Chiefs. Make the logo a fireman's hat and you could still do your tomahawk chop but call it a fireman's chop. Ya' know like when they use an axe to strike iron for forceable entry.

That would work. Just a thought.

RealSNR 06-22-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15026172)
and now the Texas Rangers

Texas Rangers is at least an improvement from their former name: The Washington Senators

Demonpenz 06-22-2020 12:52 PM

Change the name to Fire Chiefs. Have cross axes with KCFD on the helmet. Fountains the dalmation will be the mascot. Our slogan will be "Ladder up!" The cheerleaders will be the KC Hose. Holthus has a field day as ONCE AGAIN THE DEFENSE PUTS THE FIRE OUT.

Demonpenz 06-22-2020 12:56 PM

*After a sack of Derrick Carr* And the the FireChiefs once again put the jaws of life to a carr.

KCUnited 06-22-2020 02:08 PM

"Do we have time to run Norv Turners Neck?"

displacedinMN 06-22-2020 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 15032107)
Change the name to Fire Chiefs. Have cross axes with KCFD on the helmet. Fountains the dalmation will be the mascot. Our slogan will be "Ladder up!" The cheerleaders will be the KC Hose. Holthus has a field day as ONCE AGAIN THE DEFENSE PUTS THE FIRE OUT.

Somewhere I posted that Duluth, MN was going to remove the title CHIEF from all jobs because it is offensive. :banghead:

OrtonsPiercedTaint 06-23-2020 03:48 AM

Do you think the undertaker tucks them

KChiefs1 06-25-2020 06:02 AM

University of Florida under attack for tomahawk chop.

When will they come after the Chiefs?

displacedinMN 06-25-2020 08:13 AM

I am waiting for some woke Minnesotan to yell at me about my arrowheads on my truck.

Kcchiefs1-that day is coming. I do not see the Hunt family caving.

Deberg_1990 06-25-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15036597)
I am waiting for some woke Minnesotan to yell at me about my arrowheads on my truck.

Kcchiefs1-that day is coming. I do not see the Hunt family caving.

The Hunts will fight it till their death. Same as Snyder has.

Too much money in the brand, symbols and name.

displacedinMN 06-25-2020 08:35 AM

I am going to have to change the song to "everything is racist"

Bearcat 06-25-2020 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15036517)
University of Florida under attack for tomahawk chop.

When will they come after the Chiefs?

The tomahawk chomp?

DTHOF 06-25-2020 10:11 AM

Just curious is the Fighting Irish racist since it singles out a group of people?

jdubya 06-25-2020 10:16 AM

Will the Raiders need to change their brand or will they be praised because they look like antifa?

displacedinMN 06-25-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15036637)
The tomahawk chomp?

Well. U of Florida is under pressure to end the gator bait chomp.

Only a matter if time for the Seminoles

Bearcat 06-25-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 15036879)
Well. U of Florida is under pressure to end the gator bait chomp.

Only a matter if time for the Seminoles

WTF?!

Just read a couple articles on it... I hadn't ever heard of that before (feeding babies to alligators), and one article says there's no evidence of linking UF's mascot or chomp with those despicable acts.

I can't imagine anyone being outraged every time they see the chomp on TV, unless that's a well known thing that I've just never heard about?

At least something like Redskins makes some sense in terms of the word itself being derogatory... jeez.

displacedinMN 06-25-2020 12:55 PM

I know bearcat. I have posted 5 things that was fine yesterday and today it is offensive. We are doomed as a society.

KChiefs1 06-25-2020 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15036637)
The tomahawk chomp?


Yeah my mistake. I had the Chiefs on my mind when I posted.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 06-25-2020 01:41 PM

Because I am_______ I have the right to make judgements without any reason other than I can.

_______ has more options than can be listed in a day.

Bob Dole 06-25-2020 06:30 PM

If it hasn’t been said already: **** that rag.


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