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Eleazar 03-06-2023 11:04 PM

Henry seems like he'd be a good addition for Buffalo, really.

Megatron96 03-06-2023 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16840969)
Henry seems like he'd be a good addition for Buffalo, really.

That's a pretty good idea. I mean, I don't know how well BUF OL run-blocks, but if they're just decent Henry would help hide some of Josh's flaws. And could simplify their game-planning.

Buehler445 03-07-2023 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16840969)
Henry seems like he'd be a good addition for Buffalo, really.

It’s not as bad as the Chiefs but it’s bad.

Bills will win by Allen throwing the ball. Not handing it off to Henry 30 times. Because that’s what it takes to “wear a defense down”.

Rasputin 03-07-2023 03:13 AM

We kept his ass under 80 yards in the playoffs when he was running over every other team. They may as well of had Herm cock sucking POS Edward's coach that team and run him into the ground.

Dunerdr 03-07-2023 09:18 AM

Theres very few systems where i think Henry really succeeds at this point. Theres not many lines built like ten and phi where they can just commit and do it. He will probably go to some dumbass team trying to make a splash with a coach and gm trying to keep their job. On an unrelated note this feels like a Rams move. Trade a second for him.

Spott 03-07-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16841048)
We kept his ass under 80 yards in the playoffs when he was running over every other team. They may as well of had Herm cock sucking POS Edward's coach that team and run him into the ground.

We held him to 69 ROFL

BleedingRed 03-07-2023 09:25 AM

I'll take him on a vet min

Dunerdr 03-07-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16841250)
I'll take him on a vet min

Gonna be weird when King Henry has to carry Pachecos helmet up the hill at training camp.

Megatron96 03-07-2023 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16841046)
It’s not as bad as the Chiefs but it’s bad.

Bills will win by Allen throwing the ball. Not handing it off to Henry 30 times. Because that’s what it takes to “wear a defense down”.

BUF also turned the ball over a ton in the RZ in 2022, partially because they didn't have any kind of real run threat. Not saying Henry would be the panacea, but he could take some heat off Josh simply by being in the backfield inside the 25. And between the 25s, he could keep defenses more honest.

King_Chief_Fan 03-07-2023 11:35 AM

Easy to say no thanks to Henry

Pepe Silvia 03-07-2023 11:35 AM

Titans have already ran him into the ground.

Eleazar 03-07-2023 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16841046)
It’s not as bad as the Chiefs but it’s bad.

Bills will win by Allen throwing the ball. Not handing it off to Henry 30 times. Because that’s what it takes to “wear a defense down”.

The Bills have been lacking a credible running game outside of Allen for some time and have been said to be interested in acquiring a running back at various points. Having someone like Henry would open up the offense. It's not far fetched.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16841587)
The Bills have been lacking a credible running game outside of Allen for some time and have been said to be interested in acquiring a running back at various points. Having someone like Henry would open up the offense. It's not far fetched.

I hope they do it. Any short term gains would be offset greatly in the long term. Giving Henry money at this point in his career is a completely short-sighted move.

So yeah, I definitely hope they do it.

Eleazar 03-07-2023 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16841591)
I hope they do it. Any short term gains would be offset greatly in the long term. Giving Henry money at this point in his career is a completely short-sighted move.

So yeah, I definitely hope they do it.

I don't think he really helps them get over the hump, but if they try to fill the hole by trading picks for a RB who's reaching the down side of his career that's ok with me.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16841740)
I don't think he really helps them get over the hump, but if they try to fill the hole by trading picks for a RB who's reaching the down side of his career that's ok with me.

For sure.

I don't think he really moves the needle for the Bills. But if he were to perform to their expectations, it would still greatly benefit the Chiefs for them to tie up a bunch of money in an aging RB. If he goes there and busts, even better.

Megatron96 03-07-2023 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16841046)
It’s not as bad as the Chiefs but it’s bad.

Bills will win by Allen throwing the ball. Not handing it off to Henry 30 times. Because that’s what it takes to “wear a defense down”.

Yeah, BUF is similar to KC in that they are both passing offenses.

BUF will never have any RB run 30 times/gm average while Josh is QB. 20 maybe. But every team that faces BUF will have to respect Henry as they didn't respect Singletary/supporting cast.

smithandrew051 03-07-2023 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16841748)
For sure.

I don't think he really moves the needle for the Bills. But if he were to perform to their expectations, it would still greatly benefit the Chiefs for them to tie up a bunch of money in an aging RB. If he goes there and busts, even better.

Maybe I’m wrong, but Henry doesn’t seem to be the type to thrive on a pitch count. Practically every time I’ve watched him, he starts sorta slow then gashes teams when they’re worn down.

I would think they’d have to really commit to running with him, which means less from Josh Allen throwing the ball. Analytically, that’s a bad decision.

Eleazar 03-07-2023 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16841755)
Maybe I’m wrong, but Henry doesn’t seem to be the type to thrive on a pitch count. Practically every time I’ve watched him, he starts sorta slow then gashes teams when they’re worn down.

I would think they’d have to really commit to running with him, which means less from Josh Allen throwing the ball. Analytically, that’s a bad decision.

The problem they need to solve as I see it is that all their threat on the ground comes from Allen's running. Nobody needs to account for Singletary in their game plan, and Allen can't play the game like a RB forever. Having an actual ground game would not involve them moving to a run heavy scheme based on Henry, but being able to be productive when they do need to run, to have an additional threat on each play, and increase their ability to grind out the second half of games. Buffalo obviously has a problem being able to finish games.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16841755)
Maybe I’m wrong, but Henry doesn’t seem to be the type to thrive on a pitch count. Practically every time I’ve watched him, he starts sorta slow then gashes teams when they’re worn down.

I would think they’d have to really commit to running with him, which means less from Josh Allen throwing the ball. Analytically, that’s a bad decision.

Yep.

Eleazar 03-07-2023 12:51 PM

And while we're spitballing, if Henry wants to go to a contending team, would a homecoming to Jacksonville make sense? Compliment to Etienne, a team on the way up, etc.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16841764)
The problem they need to solve as I see it is that all their threat on the ground comes from Allen's running. Nobody needs to account for Singletary in their game plan, and Allen can't play the game like a RB forever. Having an actual ground game would not involve them moving to a run heavy scheme based on Henry, but being able to be productive when they do need to run, to have an additional threat on each play, and increase their ability to grind out the second half of games. Buffalo obviously has a problem being able to finish games.

Does Henry really give them that though, especially at his potential price tag?

Like smith said, he a volume runner that depends on wearing a defense down. What the Bills really need is a Jerrick McKinnon type player.

Megatron96 03-07-2023 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16841764)
The problem they need to solve as I see it is that all their threat on the ground comes from Allen's running. Nobody needs to account for Singletary in their game plan, and Allen can't play the game like a RB forever. Having an actual ground game would not involve them moving to a run heavy scheme based on Henry, but being able to be productive when they do need to run, to have an additional threat on each play, and increase their ability to grind out the second half of games. Buffalo obviously has a problem being able to finish games.

It would also hide some of the issues they have on their OL. Can't just pass-rush all the time with Henry back there. If he gets past the LoS, he can take it the distance still.

Bottom line, it would make them a lot less one-dimensional.

nychief 03-07-2023 12:56 PM

Remember how good Chris Johnson was after they let him go?

chiefforlife 03-07-2023 12:58 PM

This would be like trading for Larry Johnson after Herm ran him into the ground.

Henrys agent must have composed that tweet.

Megatron96 03-07-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16841798)
This would be like trading for Larry Johnson after Herm ran him into the ground.

Henrys agent must have composed that tweet.

Eh, Henry ran for over 1500 yds in 2022, with at least one run for 69 yds. And he's just 7 years in. He's not washed yet.

Eleazar 03-07-2023 01:10 PM

Ravens?

Bearcat 03-07-2023 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16841817)
Eh, Henry ran for over 1500 yds in 2022, with at least one run for 69 yds. And he's just 7 years in. He's not washed yet.

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displacedinMN 03-07-2023 07:47 PM

Titans will have nothing without him

srvy 03-07-2023 08:40 PM

I think it is media in cahoots with agents working to help players score a bigger payday.

Red Dawg 03-07-2023 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 16842743)
Titans will have nothing without him

He doesn't matter. They have nothing with him.

threebag 12-02-2024 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 16840924)
Does he even have any tread left?

Probably has a shot at the rushing title this year

Chiefspants 12-02-2024 08:34 AM

I haven’t seen him take a hit like yesterday since Sorenson’s hit in the AFCCG.

DJ's left nut 12-02-2024 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17837267)
I haven’t seen him take a hit like yesterday since Sorenson’s hit in the AFCCG.

He took a couple big hits yesterday. Philly really seemed to focus on hitting him right at the mesh point. People have said it for years - hit him before he gets moving. And I think it takes him juuuuuust a little longer to get moving than it used to. And he has to work just a little harder to get low and he's just a little slower to make that first move and make that first tackler miss.

Still exceptional once he gets moving. But maybe a little easier to chop down quickly than he once was.

Meanwhile even 2 yard runs from Barkley look impressive as hell. That guy's a problem and the clear MVP, IMO.

tredadda 12-02-2024 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17837324)
He took a couple big hits yesterday. Philly really seemed to focus on hitting him right at the mesh point. People have said it for years - hit him before he gets moving. And I think it takes him juuuuuust a little longer to get moving than it used to. And he has to work just a little harder to get low and he's just a little slower to make that first move and make that first tackler miss.

Still exceptional once he gets moving. But maybe a little easier to chop down quickly than he once was.

Meanwhile even 2 yard runs from Barkley look impressive as hell. That guy's a problem and the clear MVP, IMO.

Yeah, if you get Henry going east/west he’s far less of a threat. Same with him not getting a full head of steam as you mentioned.

Barkley is indeed having an incredible season and showing why he was a very high pick (even though the Giants wasted him). I don’t disagree that he’s playing at a MVP level, but I would genuinely be surprised if he wins it. Much like last year when CMC probably deserved it more than Jackson, he didn’t win or even come close.

As of this moment I feel that way about Barkley vs Allen. At this point I think it’s Allen’s to lose unless something bizarre happens. The Kelce’s labeled MVP as “Most Valuable Passer”, and at this point it’s hard to argue.

ThaVirus 12-02-2024 10:12 AM

1,037 of Barkley’s 1,499 yards have come before contact this season. He’s obviously incredible, but he owes a ****ton of his success this season to their offensive line.

Also, I think he has a much better shot at MVP a than CMC did last year. First and foremost, Barkley already has more rushing yards than CMC did all of last season. And he’s got like six games left. He has a real chance at smashing the single season rushing and scrimmage record this year.

If he can even come close to both of those while the Eagles maintain the 1 or 2 seed and Allen stays on statistical track he’s on now, Barkley could take it.

We’re also at the point in the season where hot take reactions shift the narrative every week. If Allen struggles one week and Lamar doesn’t, everyone will say Lamar is the clear favorite, etc.

DJ's left nut 12-02-2024 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17837366)
1,037 of Barkley’s 1,499 yards have come before contact this season. He’s obviously incredible, but he owes a ****ton of his success this season to their offensive line.

Also, I think he has a much better shot at MVP a than CMC did last year. First and foremost, Barkley already has more rushing yards than CMC did all of last season. And he’s got like six games left. He has a real chance at smashing the single season rushing and scrimmage record this year.

If he can even come close to both of those while the Eagles maintain the 1 or 2 seed and Allen stays on statistical track he’s on now, Barkley could take it.

We’re also at the point in the season where hot take reactions shift the narrative every week. If Allen struggles one week and Lamar doesn’t, everyone will say Lamar is the clear favorite, etc.

I think Lamar is out of the running.

Nick Wright made a REALLY good point. The same people that say Lamar Jackson is the MVP will say, after every game they lost, that the reason they lost was that they didn't run the ball enough.

I love that point. If the guy is the MVP, how can you say that the answer to winning any game is to take the ball out of his hands?

Short answer is - you can't. Too many excuses are made for Lamar Jackson. Either he's the most important player on his own team, in which case HE'S a major reason they're 8-5, or Henry is the engine that should drive that offense in which case he's NOT the most valuable Raven, let alone the NFL's most valuable player.

I think this is Allen vs. Barkley pretty easily. And I guess Goff could make a fight of it as well.

Gary Cooper 12-02-2024 10:31 AM

Mahomes should win MVP just to piss people off more.

Womble 12-02-2024 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17837382)
Mahomes should win MVP just to piss people off more.

That would excellent. Not only would it piss off every other fanbase but it would also enrage all of those bedwetters in the GDT.

ThaVirus 12-02-2024 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17837379)
I think Lamar is out of the running.

Nick Wright made a REALLY good point. The same people that say Lamar Jackson is the MVP will say, after every game they lost, that the reason they lost was that they didn't run the ball enough.

I love that point. If the guy is the MVP, how can you say that the answer to winning any game is to take the ball out of his hands?

Short answer is - you can't. Too many excuses are made for Lamar Jackson. Either he's the most important player on his own team, in which case HE'S a major reason they're 8-5, or Henry is the engine that should drive that offense in which case he's NOT the most valuable Raven, let alone the NFL's most valuable player.

I think this is Allen vs. Barkley pretty easily. And I guess Goff could make a fight of it as well.

In the postseason I wouldn’t argue against this whatsoever, but regular season Lamar is a different story. He’s got the two previous MVP without Henry to vouch for himself. I also hate to be a stat nerd but he’s got 3,200 passing yards with 29 TDs to 3 INTs. He’s averaging 8.7 YPA. His passing efficiency is off the charts.

Compare those numbers to Josh Allen’s 2,600 passing yards at 7.6 YPA and 20:5 TD:INT ratio.

I also don’t think you can make an argument against Lamar in the same breath as you defend Goff. There isn’t a QB on an elite team asked to do less than that guy is on a weekly basis. Swap Allen, Mahomes or Burrow for Goff this year and those guys go nuclear, I’m talking 2013 Peyton, 07 Brady type shit.

ThaVirus 12-02-2024 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17837382)
Mahomes should win MVP just to piss people off more.

If we win out and Mahomes maintains this same statistical pace he’s maintained over the last 6ish weeks, this is actually very possible. 30ish TDs to 14ish INTs and a 16-1 record could do it if Barkley doesn’t break any records.

And it would be hilarious.

Buehler445 12-02-2024 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17837267)
I haven’t seen him take a hit like yesterday since Sorenson’s hit in the AFCCG.

Is there a clip? That hit from Sorensen changed the game. I don't think I've seen anything like that without injury/concussion.

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17837382)
Mahomes should win MVP just to piss people off more.

I'd laugh. Hard. Award is a joke anyway, just do it.

But the reality is it's Allen's unless he implodes the last 4. And frankly, he deserves it. I know everyone would rather have Mahomes and we're all sick of the Allen is better shit, but we need to park our flyover country angst. Dude is ****ing good and dragging a depleted roster to an excellent record.


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