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BWillie 12-15-2020 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15401232)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Olive Harden. <a href="https://t.co/eT2gLZYy66">https://t.co/eT2gLZYy66</a></p>&mdash; Hawk (@Hawk) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/1339028366658138114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>









ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Wow maybe thats a bad pose but yikes. Mahomes is a little husky though too and you can find pics of him looking less than flattering.

Sassy Squatch 12-15-2020 09:42 PM

Looked pretty normal from what I saw of him in the game tonight.

Sassy Squatch 12-18-2020 05:19 PM

Jerry West and the Clippers are in some serious shit about Kawhi, it seems.

DaneMcCloud 12-18-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15401281)
Wow maybe thats a bad pose but yikes. Mahomes is a little husky though too and you can find pics of him looking less than flattering.

Ha! The Tweet was removed by the author, who just happens to be the social media manager for the Redskins.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 02:37 PM

Harden situation finally boiling over. Houston trying to trade him today.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:12 PM

And it's done. Headed to Brooklyn.

DaneMcCloud 01-13-2021 03:14 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reporting w/ <a href="https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RamonaShelburne</a>: Brooklyn’s acquiring James Harden in a three-way deal with Cleveland. Caris LeVert, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, four 1st round picks – including Cavs’ 2022 first via Bucks -- and 4 Nets pick swaps to Rockets. Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince to Cavs. <a href="https://t.co/qM0ZDH4dH3">https://t.co/qM0ZDH4dH3</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1349464741882814466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:16 PM

Didn't even get Kyrie. Wow

dirk digler 01-13-2021 03:17 PM

That is just an awful trade IMO.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 03:20 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Indiana Pacers are moving Victor Oladipo to the Rockets for package around Caris LeVert, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthleticNBA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>.</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1349465741347721216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15473942)
That is just an awful trade IMO.

Harden pissed off the Rockets last night with his post game antics. Told him to not come back and hurried to trade him today.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15473953)
Harden pissed off the Rockets last night with his post game antics. Told him to not come back and hurried to trade him today.

I know and he was about to get his ass kicked but it appears this trade is much better since they are getting Victor.

Wisconsin_Chief 01-13-2021 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15473953)
Harden pissed off the Rockets last night with his post game antics. Told him to not come back and hurried to trade him today.

Yeah, I'm sure he's devastated with the end result. He knew exactly what he was doing and got exactly what he wanted.

NBA is such a joke of a league. These players are such pathetic divas, it must make guys like Jordan and Magic puke in their mouths.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:25 PM

LMAO Rockets probably won the trade by letting Kyrie stay there. That much crazy in one locker room will blow up just in time for those picks to be actually worth something.

DaneMcCloud 01-13-2021 03:25 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rockets are expanding the deal to send Caris LeVert to the Pacers for Victor Oladipo, sources tell ESPN.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1349466633530712067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DaneMcCloud 01-13-2021 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15473968)
Yeah, I'm sure he's devastated with the end result. He knew exactly what he was doing and got exactly what he wanted.

NBA is such a joke of a league. These players are such pathetic divas, it must make guys like Jordan and Magic puke in their mouths.

:LOL:

Just Passin' By 01-13-2021 03:27 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Full current trade:<br><br>Rockets: Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum, Rodions Kurucs, 3 BKN first-rounders (22, 24, 26), 1 MIL first (22, unprotected), 4 BKN 1st round swaps (21, 23, 25, 27) <br><br>Nets: James Harden<br><br>Pacers: Caris LeVert, 2nd-rounder<br><br>Cavs: Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1349467665631490050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15473968)
Yeah, I'm sure he's devastated with the end result. He knew exactly what he was doing and got exactly what he wanted.

NBA is such a joke of a league. These players are such pathetic divas, it must make guys like Jordan and Magic puke in their mouths.

LMAO Harden hasn't exactly been subtle with his antics.

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15473968)
Yeah, I'm sure he's devastated with the end result. He knew exactly what he was doing and got exactly what he wanted.

NBA is such a joke of a league. These players are such pathetic divas, it must make guys like Jordan and Magic puke in their mouths.

Joke of a league because of Harden? Are you suggesting that all of the players are divas? If not, which ones are divas and why do they represent the entire league?

dirk digler 01-13-2021 03:31 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nets offense: <a href="https://t.co/n2KsDlyoNz">pic.twitter.com/n2KsDlyoNz</a></p>&mdash; Wami�� (@WamiWaynwiedWo) <a href="https://twitter.com/WamiWaynwiedWo/status/1349464831858978829?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:32 PM

Isn't Oladipo an expiring contract?

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15473988)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nets offense: <a href="https://t.co/n2KsDlyoNz">pic.twitter.com/n2KsDlyoNz</a></p>&mdash; Wami�� (@WamiWaynwiedWo) <a href="https://twitter.com/WamiWaynwiedWo/status/1349464831858978829?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meh, that’s not wrong, although Durant doesn’t pointlessly dribble as much as the other 2.

Just Passin' By 01-13-2021 03:37 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All four first-round picks and all four first-round pick swaps to the Rockets are unprotected, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthleticNBA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>. <a href="https://t.co/HdiUsvjPP7">https://t.co/HdiUsvjPP7</a></p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1349468417292701698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 03:38 PM

Man, the Rockets did really well.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15473998)
Meh, that’s not wrong, although Durant doesn’t pointlessly dribble as much as the other 2.

I just found it funny of course who knows if Irving will be on the Nets this time next week.

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15474028)
I just found it funny of course who knows if Irving will be on the Nets this time next week.

I don’t think you make this deal and then move Irving.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:47 PM

Have to wonder if Kyrie has been going apeshit recently just do the Rockets wouldn't trade for him.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:50 PM

The ****?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Brooklyn Nets were always interested in acquiring James Harden but the deal became imperative in light of the situation with Kyrie Irving. <br><br>Kyrie is willing to sit out the year if need be those close to him are saying.</p>&mdash; Jason Dumas (@JDumasReports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1349472090294947842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474069)
The ****?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Brooklyn Nets were always interested in acquiring James Harden but the deal became imperative in light of the situation with Kyrie Irving. <br><br>Kyrie is willing to sit out the year if need be those close to him are saying.</p>&mdash; Jason Dumas (@JDumasReports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1349472090294947842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oooh kaaay. I was clearly wrong. WTF?

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 03:53 PM

Apparently he's really upset about Steve Nash being the coach.

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474089)
Apparently he's really upset about Steve Nash being the coach.

I’ve never liked Kyrie, outside of uncle drew Pepsi ads. I’m not sure why any team would sign his dumb ass.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474069)
The ****?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Brooklyn Nets were always interested in acquiring James Harden but the deal became imperative in light of the situation with Kyrie Irving. <br><br>Kyrie is willing to sit out the year if need be those close to him are saying.</p>&mdash; Jason Dumas (@JDumasReports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1349472090294947842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not surprised and the Nets could release him if he doesn't retire first. The guy is a headcase.

RustShack 01-13-2021 03:56 PM

I’m kind of interested in what the Cavs added. They started off 3-0 then have pretty much been without Love, Sexton, Garland, and Okoro since. Plus Porter Jr hasn’t played at al yet this year... those are all pretty much their best players other than Drummond.

Pretty young and talented.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 03:57 PM

Assuming Kyrie Irving doesn't retire to become a social justice warrior and/or walk the earth like Caine in Kung Fu, the Nets essentially have a title on lock for as long as those three want to play together.

Sucks for LeBron and the rest of the league, but that's a super team that simply won't be beaten. At least he got the one last year.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 03:59 PM

Also, the Rockets got virtually nothing for as good a player as James Harden is. He did make the situation untenable though with his behavior.

If Simmons was truly being offered up by Philly, it also does make me wonder whether the owner stepped in to stop that trade and go with the Nets instead out of a distaste for the way Morey exited. Simmons alone just about beats out the Nets package.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474089)
Apparently he's really upset about Steve Nash being the coach.

I just get the sense he doesn't really give a shit about basketball. Surprised Nets are even still paying him with him showing up on social justice Zoom sessions during the games.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474114)
Also, the Rockets got virtually nothing for as good a player as James Harden is. He did make the situation untenable though with his behavior.

If Simmons was truly being offered up by Philly, it also does make me wonder whether the owner stepped in to stop that trade and go with the Nets instead out of a distaste for the way Morey exited. Simmons alone just about beats out the Nets package.

Yep. This isn't the NFL, NBA late 1st round picks aren't worth much.

comochiefsfan 01-13-2021 04:04 PM

The NBA is a joke of a league.

Kyrie Irving just decides not to show up to work for weeks on end and nobody seems to care?

Imagine if Kelce just decided he wasn't going to play and went AWOL for weeks on end. He would get lambasted by the media and would become unsignable.

James Harden lets himself get as fat as Jon Gruden and whines about his situation in Houston, and teams bend over backwards to make a deal to send him to a contender.

No accountability whatsoever in the Association. Ownership needs to grow some ****ing balls.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15474127)
Yep. This isn't the NFL, NBA late 1st round picks aren't worth much.

The Nets didn't even have to trade any elite talent for James Harden (a top 5 player and one of the best offensive players in the history of basketball). The picks they traded might be worth something down the road, but we can't even say that much right now.

It's just an absurd trade from a value perspective that in all likelihood ruins the competitive balance of the league for a few years similar to Durant's signing with the Warriors (again assuming that Kyrie Irving is actually interested in playing basketball). It's hard to believe the other teams couldn't have offered up more than this.

Just Passin' By 01-13-2021 04:14 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brooklyn has 3 open spots available.<br><br>The Nets have their $5.7M tax ML, the minimum exception and likely a $5.7M Disabled Player exception. <a href="https://t.co/w92QwNtJYp">https://t.co/w92QwNtJYp</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) <a href="https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1349471598101864452?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 01-13-2021 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474161)
The Nets didn't even have to trade any elite talent for James Harden (a top 5 player and one of the best offensive players in the history of basketball). The picks they traded might be worth something down the road, but we can't even say that much right now.

It's just an absurd trade from a value perspective that in all likelihood ruins the competitive balance of the league for a few years similar to Durant's signing with the Warriors (again assuming that Kyrie Irving is actually interested in playing basketball). It's hard to believe the other teams couldn't have offered up more than this.

LMAO

You were rooting for Kawhi to LA though.

Deal with it.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 04:22 PM

LMAO Houston wanted Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, and picks. Philly wouldn't give them what they wanted so probably traded him to Brooklyn out of spite.

Wisconsin_Chief 01-13-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15474134)
The NBA is a joke of a league.

Kyrie Irving just decides not to show up to work for weeks on end and nobody seems to care?

Imagine if Kelce just decided he wasn't going to play and went AWOL for weeks on end. He would get lambasted by the media and would become unsignable.

James Harden lets himself get as fat as Jon Gruden and whines about his situation in Houston, and teams bend over backwards to make a deal to send him to a contender.

No accountability whatsoever in the Association. Ownership needs to grow some ****ing balls.

Absolutely this.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15474134)
The NBA is a joke of a league.

Kyrie Irving just decides not to show up to work for weeks on end and nobody seems to care?

Imagine if Kelce just decided he wasn't going to play and went AWOL for weeks on end. He would get lambasted by the media and would become unsignable.

James Harden lets himself get as fat as Jon Gruden and whines about his situation in Houston, and teams bend over backwards to make a deal to send him to a contender.

No accountability whatsoever in the Association. Ownership needs to grow some ****ing balls.

Unfortunately their current CBA runs through the 2024 season so I would hope after that they can regain some control. Players will never give up guaranteed contracts though.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15474174)
LMAO

You were rooting for Kawhi to LA though.

Deal with it.

Of course because I'm biased and would root for anything that would help LeBron (even league crushing moves like that).

There's no denying this is what that is, though.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474196)
LMAO Houston wanted Simmons, Thybulle, Maxey, and picks. Philly wouldn't give them what they wanted so probably traded him to Brooklyn out of spite.

Maybe Morey overplayed his hand, but I do wonder if the owner stepped in to prevent Morey from benefiting from a Harden trade.

dirk digler 01-13-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 15474165)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brooklyn has 3 open spots available.<br><br>The Nets have their $5.7M tax ML, the minimum exception and likely a $5.7M Disabled Player exception. <a href="https://t.co/w92QwNtJYp">https://t.co/w92QwNtJYp</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) <a href="https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1349471598101864452?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Nets had the deepest team or one of the top ones in the league now they don't have any depth especially with Dinwiddie done for the year.

But I am guessing they made this trade because Kyrie isn't coming back.

PAChiefsGuy 01-13-2021 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15474134)
The NBA is a joke of a league.

Kyrie Irving just decides not to show up to work for weeks on end and nobody seems to care?

Imagine if Kelce just decided he wasn't going to play and went AWOL for weeks on end. He would get lambasted by the media and would become unsignable.

James Harden lets himself get as fat as Jon Gruden and whines about his situation in Houston, and teams bend over backwards to make a deal to send him to a contender.

No accountability whatsoever in the Association. Ownership needs to grow some ****ing balls.

Great post.

These players are getting away w way too much. You sign a contract you have an obligation to the organization and your teammates to do your best to help the team win.

You don't like the organization then don't sign the ****ing contract in the first place. Go some where else! After you sign that contract there should be no way a player can 'demand' a trade wout severe consequences. Just retire and go play golf..

staylor26 01-13-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474218)
Of course because I'm biased and would root for anything that would help LeBron (even league crushing moves like that).

There's no denying this is what that is, though.

Fair enough.

DaneMcCloud 01-13-2021 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15474226)
Great post.

These players are getting away w way too much. You sign a contract you have an obligation to the organization and your teammates to do your best to help the team win.

You don't like the organization then don't sign the ****ing contract in the first place. Go some where else! After you sign that contract there should be no way a player can 'demand' a trade wout severe consequences. Just retire and go play golf..

Bull-****ing-Shit.

These teams hire and fire GM's and coaches constantly, leaving players that have signed long term deals stuck with shitty ****ing teams.

It's ****ing ridiculous that people like you comment on a league in which you have absolutely zero knowledge.

PAChiefsGuy 01-13-2021 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15474234)
Bull-****ing-Shit.

These teams hire and fire GM's and coaches constantly, leaving players that have signed long term deals stuck with shitty ****ing teams.

It's ****ing ridiculous that people like you comment on a league in which you have absolutely zero knowledge.

Lol. Maybe if the ballhog Harden actually played defense and not constant iso-ball Rockets would do better. Shows how much you know about basketball.

DaneMcCloud 01-13-2021 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15474245)
Lol. Maybe if the ballhog Harden actually played defense and not constant iso-ball Rockets would do better. Shows how much you know about basketball.

So, you moving the goalposts, AGAIN.

And Harden sucks now?

LMAO

JFC, you're ****ing moron.

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15474245)
Lol. Maybe if the ballhog Harden actually played defense and not constant iso-ball Rockets would do better. Shows how much you know about basketball.

And, yet, teams are willing to mortgage their future to acquire him. It certainly doesn’t look like the Nets are too worried.

comochiefsfan 01-13-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15474234)
Bull-****ing-Shit.

These teams hire and fire GM's and coaches constantly, leaving players that have signed long term deals stuck with shitty ****ing teams.

It's ****ing ridiculous that people like you comment on a league in which you have absolutely zero knowledge.

Houston has bent over backwards to try and build a contender around James Harden. They signed CP3 and surrounded them with talent in Clint Capela, Trevor Ariza and PJ Tucker. They had a coach in Mike D'Antoni whose style allowed Harden to play the game he wanted. Houston built a championship team and Harden choked it away and lost to the Warriors in 7.

Then, Harden threw a hissy fit and demanded that Paul be shipped out. So the organization obliged and traded him for Russell Westbrook. That also predictably failed and they shipped him out.

Everything Houston has done the last 8 years has been dedicated to building a championship contender around James Harden as the centerpiece. They invested heavily in him and gave him everything he wanted.

The reality is that James Harden is not a winner and wasn't capable of being "the guy" on a championship team. So instead of taking personal accountability for the Rockets' failures, he cried and blamed the organization and whined his way all the way to a super team.

Players in this league are entitled babies. The product on the floor is great, but the majority of the superstar players are dicks and wusses who are impossible to root for.

PAChiefsGuy 01-13-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15474246)
So, you moving the goalposts, AGAIN.

And Harden sucks now?

LMAO

JFC, you're ****ing moron.

I never said he sucked but he certainly is not worth his contract and is a terrible leader.

Who cares if Nets are willing to trade for his ballhogging ass! You act like Nets have been winning so many championships lately and are an elite organzation. They are trash themselves.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 04:54 PM

Harden is one of the best offensive players to ever play the game. He's more than worth his contract. LMAO

DaneMcCloud 01-13-2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15474248)
Houston has bent over backwards to try and build a contender around James Harden. They signed CP3 and surrounded them with talent in Clint Capela, Trevor Ariza and PJ Tucker.

And then they fired the GM, the coach and started trading away players, hence Harden wanting to move on.

Duh.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 04:56 PM

Yeah, that's ****ing ridiculous. Even the mid tier stars get max money nowadays.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 05:06 PM

Just don't understand how the Rockets managed to trade Harden without getting a single even borderline elite player back.

BigCatDaddy 01-13-2021 05:10 PM

The Lakers are still the heavy favorite. Chemistry is quite real and may take some time to develop. You have to remember the original super team couldn't even beat basically a 1 man team in 2011.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 15474315)
The Lakers are still the heavy favorite. Chemistry is quite real and may take some time to develop. You have to remember the original super team couldn't even beat basically a 1 man team in 2011.

As long as Kyrie Irving decides he wants to play basketball, the Nets will not lose this season.

BigCatDaddy 01-13-2021 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474347)
As long as Kyrie Irving decides he wants to play basketball, the Nets will not lose this season.

Take it up with Vegas.

Brooklyn now has +270 odds to win the NBA Championship, ranking second in the NBA behind only the Los Angeles Lakers (+260)

Marco Polo 01-13-2021 05:41 PM

**** Harden.

UChieffyBugger 01-13-2021 05:50 PM

As a Sixers fan I was rooting for us to trade Simmons for Harden as him and Embiid would have been fun to watch...but when reports today suggested that the Rox wanted Ben AND our new potential superstar star Tyrese Maxey along with picks?!!..i was out. Maxey could be another Harden, Dame, Mitchell type of dude in the years to come and there was no way Morey would have done that deal. The East is gonna be a nightmare now with Harden, KD and Kyrie together but can that team defend? I have my doubts. My Sixers will probably try to develop our young core or maybe try and trade for Beal or Levine.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 15474358)
Take it up with Vegas.

Brooklyn now has +270 odds to win the NBA Championship, ranking second in the NBA behind only the Los Angeles Lakers (+260)

That'll change whenever Kyrie Irving returns to the team. For now, there is still doubt about whether that guy is even going to play. Once he returns, that's as close to a lock as you're going to get in the NBA.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 06:08 PM

LMAO I'd give this current iteration of the Nets moren of a chance to become a legitimate three ring circus than make it to the NBA finals.

UChieffyBugger 01-13-2021 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474414)
That'll change whenever Kyrie Irving returns to the team. For now, there is still doubt about whether that guy is even going to play. Once he returns, that's as close to a lock as you're going to get in the NBA.

Can they defend? It's ok scoring a bunch of points but at some point you have to defend and kd and Harden aren't young anymore whilst Kyrie has always been a poor defender.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474427)
LMAO I'd give this current iteration of the Nets moren of a chance to become a legitimate three ring circus than make it to the NBA finals.

The Nets have the 6th (Harden), 10th (Durant), and 29th (Irving) ranked players in BPM in the history of the NBA since 1973-1974: https://www.basketball-reference.com...pm_career.html

Anybody who doesn't realize what this team is doesn't have a clue. Durant/Curry/Klay is the only thing even close to that trio in NBA history. There's a pretty good argument they're already the best team in the NBA even if Kyrie Irving doesn't buy in, but if he does, it's game over.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 15474434)
Can they defend? It's ok scoring a bunch of points but at some point you have to defend and kd and Harden aren't young anymore whilst Kyrie has always been a poor defender.

Durant and Harden have always been very good defenders when they've needed to be.

Besides, Curry was an absolutely dreadful defender who teams exposed repeatedly in the playoffs and it didn't matter at all because of the KD Warriors' immense offensive talent. The Nets arguably are even better in that regard as Kyrie can do so much more off the dribble than Klay ever could.

Sassy Squatch 01-13-2021 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474446)
The Nets have the 6th (Harden), 10th (Durant), and 29th (Irving) ranked players in BPM in the history of the NBA since 1973-1974: https://www.basketball-reference.com...pm_career.html

Anybody who doesn't realize what this team is doesn't have a clue. Durant/Curry/Klay is the only thing even close to that trio in NBA history. There's a pretty good argument they're already the best team in the NBA even if Kyrie Irving doesn't buy in, but if he does, it's game over.

LMAO Sorry, Vegas disagrees with you. All 3 of these guys have horrendously toxic personalities and there's no guarantee they won't just be at each other's throats to the point where it's unsalvageable, especially with the style of basketball they each play.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 06:39 PM

I don't think most people have ever fully grasped how good James Harden is. With help from CP3, he almost knocked off the Durant Warriors (likely the most dominant team in NBA history) and would have done so had CP3 not gotten hurt. No other NBA team even came close to that and that was mostly because Harden is absolutely unstoppable as an offensive player.

He will win a title playing with Durant and it's going to happen whether Irving decides to give a shit or not.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15474456)
LMAO Sorry, Vegas disagrees with you. All 3 of these guys have horrendously toxic personalities and there's no guarantee they won't just be at each other's throats to the point where it's unsalvageable, especially with the style of basketball they each play.

As noted above, they'll be favored by Vegas whenever Irving decides to return and becomes part of the team again.

And yes, my only hope for the future of the league (i.e. LeBron's future) is that Kyrie doesn't want to play anymore and Durant starts hating Harden's guts within a year or two. But championships tend to smooth things like that over and the Nets will almost certainly be winning one this year.

UChieffyBugger 01-13-2021 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474446)
The Nets have the 6th (Harden), 10th (Durant), and 29th (Irving) ranked players in BPM in the history of the NBA since 1973-1974: https://www.basketball-reference.com...pm_career.html

Anybody who doesn't realize what this team is doesn't have a clue. Durant/Curry/Klay is the only thing even close to that trio in NBA history. There's a pretty good argument they're already the best team in the NBA even if Kyrie Irving doesn't buy in, but if he does, it's game over.

Green was the glue for KD, Curry and Klay and Green, along with Klay were great defenders..plus Iggy was too. The key to the Warriors dominance was their defensive ability aswell as their incredible shooting from range. The next no doubt have the shooting..but the defense? Nah I don't see it at all. Who is gonna defend Embiid or Giannis? Kd? :D

Red Dawg 01-13-2021 07:18 PM

Nets have title or failure like Brady. Anything less is a fail.

Buehler445 01-13-2021 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474463)
As noted above, they'll be favored by Vegas whenever Irving decides to return and becomes part of the team again.

And yes, my only hope for the future of the league (i.e. LeBron's future) is that Kyrie doesn't want to play anymore and Durant starts hating Harden's guts within a year or two. But championships tend to smooth things like that over and the Nets will almost certainly be winning one this year.

This year? I doubt it.

These things take awhile to get going. Plus. The lakers are ****ing good.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 15474670)
This year? I doubt it.

These things take awhile to get going. Plus. The lakers are ****ing good.

See above regarding the Nets having the 6th (Harden), 10th (Durant), and 29th (Irving) ranked players in BPM in the history of the NBA since 1973-1974: https://www.basketball-reference.com...pm_career.html

I'll take my chances with that over 36 year old LeBron, AD, and some scrubs.

PAChiefsGuy 01-13-2021 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474457)
I don't think most people have ever fully grasped how good James Harden is. With help from CP3, he almost knocked off the Durant Warriors (likely the most dominant team in NBA history) and would have done so had CP3 not gotten hurt. No other NBA team even came close to that and that was mostly because Harden is absolutely unstoppable as an offensive player.

He will win a title playing with Durant and it's going to happen whether Irving decides to give a shit or not.

We'll have to wait and see how things play out. Irving is a weirdo who didn't want to play w LeBron because he wanted the spotlight, Durant seems like a good teammate but Harden clearly is a dick who knows if he gets along w Irving.

Harden also already did play w Durant and Westbrook and they didn't win shit. Yes he has gotten much better since then but we will see how he plays w Irving. Harden is a a ballhog who doesnt play D. Great scorer yes and unstoppable at times but defense still matters in this league and they have no bench.

Who knows if Durant stays healthy. Lots of question marks there. Either way league is becoming a joke w all these players constantly leaving. Getting a little ridiculous..

Pitt Gorilla 01-13-2021 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15474839)
We'll have to wait and see how things play out. Irving is a weirdo who didn't want to play w LeBron because he wanted the spotlight, Durant seems like a good teammate but Harden clearly is a dick who knows if he gets along w Irving.

Harden also already did play e Durant and Westbrook and they didn't win shit. Yes he has gotten much better since then but we will see how he plays w Irving. Harden is a a ballhog who doesnt play D. Great scorer yes and unstoppable at times but defense still matters in this league and they have no bench.

I mean, they were in the Finals as kids. They may not have won the title, but they were REALLY freaking good prior to Presti ****ting the bed.

KC_Connection 01-13-2021 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 15474839)
We'll have to wait and see how things play out. Irving is a weirdo who didn't want to play w LeBron because he wanted the spotlight, Durant seems like a good teammate but Harden clearly is a dick who knows if he gets along w Irving.

Harden also already did play w Durant and Westbrook and they didn't win shit. Yes he has gotten much better since then but we will see how he plays w Irving. Harden is a a ballhog who doesnt play D. Great scorer yes and unstoppable at times but defense still matters in this league and they have no bench.

Who knows if Durant stays healthy. Lots of question marks there. Either way league is becoming a joke w all these players constantly leaving. Getting a little ridiculous..

It took a LeBron at the peak of his powers with Wade still playing at a high level to knock off Harden/Durant/Westbrook and none of those three had reached their own peaks yet.

The Nets are ridiculously good right now.

Buehler445 01-13-2021 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15474788)
See above regarding the Nets having the 6th (Harden), 10th (Durant), and 29th (Irving) ranked players in BPM in the history of the NBA since 1973-1974: https://www.basketball-reference.com...pm_career.html

I'll take my chances with that over 36 year old LeBron, AD, and some scrubs.

Yeah, I'm not.

I hadn't followed the Kyrie thing. That dude might actually be crazy. I also didn't follow the Harden thing really closely and how he absolutely quit...and you know that he gained weight...THIS WEEK.

FWIW, I listened to the Russillo podcast about it today. It's a good listen. I'd recommend it. He had on Bill Simmons and Jackie McMullen (Who I normally don't like but she was really good today.

None of those guys thought it would work. I mean, it can work, but there is a lot of stuff that has to go right, and frankly, probably won't.

The big thing is personalities, which we've been over, although one thing I haven't seen mentioned is Harden has been THE ONLY GUY taking shots in crunch time for 8 years. That's a tough game to break.

What I didn't realize, is that Durant, to date, has almost the same usage rate as Kyrie, who's is ridiculously high, but both are less than historic Harden.

They're productive, but they can't all be historically productive together, because, well, there is a time limit.

Again, it CAN go right, but a lot has to go right.


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