Don’t forget Damien Williams. Every time CEH comes off the field right now there’s nobody out there that can be an efficient receiver out of the backfield.

Having that every down next year will kick this offense up a notch

I think the Chiefs need to take a RB on Day 3.

I wouldn’t count on Damien Williams because the guy is constantly injured, will have missed a full season (which could be good or bad) and he’ll be 29 years old to start the season.

It’s pretty clear that Reid doesn’t trust Darwin Award Thompson, so they need to beef up the RB room.

I love it! Kudos! Marshall will be gone and is a pipe dream.

Khalil Herbert from VTech is my guy at RB on day 3.

That's about where I lean. Would probably go WR Round 1.

I know it's early, but I have a good feeling a special WR will fall to us.

It's going to be really, really hard for them to be active in free agency.

But yeah, that's exactly what I'm advocating. I'm really confused. You said we need "solid and reliable" in a draft thread and now you're saying to draft playmakers.

I don’t understand why we need RB in round 1 after drafting CEH?


We need to upgrade the OL and he’ll be fine.


WR in round 1, Toney and a some OL after, maybe rounds 2 and 4.

I was talking to Dane about free agent WR's this season. They need to take a few fliers and try to hit some cheap type players in this years WR FA market which shoudl be deflated financially due to the amoutn in the draft and in free agency.

A solid albeit if unspectacular type of #3 or #4 type WR with some upside.

They just signed Antonio Callaway who was excellent as a rookie and runs a sub 4.4. He would be an excellent replacement for Robinson who I think will get priced out of KC.

I still think we need a game changer though. The emergence of Danna and Wharton make DE not as big of a need, but I think it’s still important.

We need depth at WR and DE badly with so many guys not being reliable and also being FA’s.

Who said we need a RB in round 1?

Yeah, those are spots that you could (should) probably draft one every year in the early rounds. Like the Eagles DL or the Wash DL etc. Just keep stockpiling dudes there and let it shake out.

You guys have convinced me on a WR early, although I'd be kinda shocked if they took one that early.

My expectation isn't that the dude is a game changer day one though. He would be able to sit and develop while getting his feet wet.

I think you gotta look at a DE somewhere.

We need pass rushers in a bad way and Frank aint doin much.

What does everyone think about Amon-Ra St. Brown?

And that would mean we still need another game breaker at WR to replace Watkins.

That would have to come from the draft.

Absolutely. It's the biggest position of need and should be a priority if the draft falls that way.

I personally want a WR but that would be secondary to getting a good DE if one falls.

Callaway signed a Future's Contract while Tajae Sharpe is on the PS. It's likely that both will compete for a bottom of the roster spot.

People said that last year as well.

Why?

Robinson hasn't proven to be anything other than being a JAG. He isn't nearly as good as Chris Conley and while he'll make a spectacular catch here and there, he'll also drop easy catches that should be made.

In 5 years, he's averaged less than 300 yards and 2 TD's a season, the last three of which have been with Patrick Mahomes. If some team wants to pay him more than Vet Minimum, let them have him.

Tajae Sharpe averaged more yards and TD's his initial 3 seasons in Tennessee with the likes of Mariota and Tannehill. Can you imagine Robinson's numbers had he been in Tennessee?

Solid prospect, but I just don’t see him being in our range either way.

He’s probably a early-mid 2nd round pick, especially with Olave going back to school.

At this point, right away atleast, I dont' think the need is for a "game breaker". It's my belief that Hardman should develop nicely into that.

They need some filler around those guys and I think there are a few nice midlevel options in free agency. The high end guys need to come from the draft to be developed there.

They've been good without Watkins this year so I don't think you have to have an elite level dude there right away.

This is exactly where I'm at as well. WR and DE are the priority but if there's no one of value left at those positions, I wouldn't be surprised to see a superstud CB or maybe even a CB/Safety go at #32 or of course, a trade back.

I like Breeland but there's no guarantee he'll return next season and while Ward has speed, which IMO is his biggest asset, he certainly has not progressed as one would expect.

I can't see the Chiefs shelling out in excess of $8 million per for Ward, unless he just blows up this post-season and in 2021 and even then, they might be better off letting him walk and taking the Comp Pick.

CB is interesting to me, but if they think Baker recovers fine I think it could wait a bit.

DE or WR seems likely. If there were a TE they loved that fell that might make some sense.

I'm interested to see how the IOL spot works out as we go thru this process.

This corner class is pretty bad.

I doubt a corner comes off the board in the top 15 picks, and I don’t see more than 2 going in the 1st.

I can't see a TE at #32. Kelce is only 31 while coming off his best season as a pro and the best season ever for a tight end.

He's going to play at a high level for at least the next 3 years, so taking a TE early makes zero sense when there are needs everywhere else on the roster.

Outside of Surtain, I dunno that there's anyone there I really like.

The LT from USC is really interesting to me but I doubt he gets to 32.

I wouldn't look to replace as much as play with Kelce. It would help in the run game as well if we could play more 2 tight end stuff.

They use Kelce more as a WR anyway, so another athlete there would or could help.

I like the TE from Miami, maybe in round 3ish.

I think the idea of taking a TE in the 1st has very little to do with Kelce. It would just be a unique way for this offense to evolve. The things you can do with Tyreek, Hardman, Kelce, Freiermuth, and CEH on the field at the same time make you virtually impossible to defend.

That’s what I was looking at when I first started swooning over Freiermuth.

Jeremy Ruckert in the 3rd/4th might be able to do the same thing, though.

Complete brain fart on my part. I completely forgot about Surtain. He’s definitely going in the top 15, and I think he’ll be the Broncos pick at 9.

Caleb Farley has a really good shot as well. Forgot about them both because they’re so out of our range.

The 2 corners I was thinking of are Jaycee Horn and Eric Stokes. I like Horn, but he’s not making it to our pick, and I can’t see Stokes being BPA either way.

After those 4, this draft is VERY thin.

Love Ruckert. He’s my favorite mid round TE now that Ferguson is going back to to school.

Late first round CB's are just so weird. There's such a hit or miss thing there.

Cb relies so much on raw ability, I dunno. This current defensive staff can develop CB's so I'd go another way early.

Agreed. We’ve added 3 young corners in the last year with Sneed, Baker, and Keyes.

Just take another guy in the mid-late rounds or an UDFA to compete with Keyes for a roster spot.

Sure, I totally get that but considering they could use starters at so many positions, it seems more like a "Luxury Pick". But I certainly wouldn't object if that's the direction the Chiefs gto at #32.

Yeah, taking a guy in the 3rd or 4th, especially if they add an additional 3rd, makes more sense from my perspective but it would be difficult to argue against it if they took a TE earlier.

I just don't know what they have in Keyes because he's been limited in playing time this year and to be completely honest, I barely watched the San Diego game in Week 17.

That said, I wouldn't pass on a long, lean and quick CB in the first 3 or 4 rounds because Keyes is on the roster.

Also, Baker will be in his 3rd season in 2021 and the Chiefs still don't know what they have in him. If there's a guy they like in the 3rd or 4th, it would be tough to pass on him knowing they'd have him at a reasonable cost for 4 years.

Hardman is likely to end up in the slot. Having somebody on the outside like Terrance Marshall would open up this offense the way Watkins does.

Just look at what LSU WR's have done in the NFL. If Marshall's there, he should be the pick. Period.

You can never have too many DB's. Sneed should be the example of that.

Go get a guy late, grab some UDFA's, and develop them.

Totally agree. If there’s a guy they like they should take them in that range.

THey've been a better offense without Watkins this year than with, so I dunno how important he is anymore.

I don't think a WR is gonna step right into this offense and make a huge impact early like some around the league have. There just aren't enough touches.

I'm not against WR early at all, but taking one this quick wouldn't really say good things about Hardman and I think they like him.

It wouldn't say anything about Hardman at all. This offense is designed to use as many weapons as possible.

You're looking at this wrong, man. Chiefs football has changed. They're not looking for war horses, they're looking for race horses.

Exactly. It’s about making teams pay for the way they currently defend us and making it impossible to do successfully.

Who doesn’t want to see Pat absolutely loaded with weapons every single year?

A lot of people would rather see him bottled up behind a wall of an offensive line so he doesn't get hurt.

Unfortunately, this is the Truth

They shoudl always be looking to keep weapons around him. That doesn't mean burning first rounders though.

Look at Andy's track record of drafting. He's always been great at developing WR's and such. In the end, it's about value. If the value is there for a WR, go for it.

The more I look around at the whole situation, it seems to be screaming trade back and amass some more picks when you see who will be around when we pick.

If a guy like Marshall or Toney is there, that's value. Marshall especially has a chance to be very good right away. He's NFL-ready and has tools. Look at what Jefferson did this year in Minnesota. Marshall is next in line.

I definitely like Toney alot. We'll see how it all shakes out.

Alot of the guys I like at 32 I think "he's a good pick there but I also like this guy who will be there in the mid 2nd etc".

Landon Dickerson declared today.

Would he be in play at 32?

I don't know about that. He'd probably be available at 64.

I think so, but I keep seeing stuff about alot of these interior OL guys going around the mid late 30's.

If the Chiefs really like one of them, they could take one at 32 I suppose. I'd rather trade back a bit, grab maybe a 3rd rounder and then take him.

It would be a real shame to take an offensive lineman in the first if there's playmakers available.

You don't mess with success.

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Marshall is a more explosive athlete than Jefferson

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That’s kinda scary

I'm good either way. Andy can develop dudes in later rounds if they have to. After taking a RB in the first round, they can't piss me off any more.

Yeah, he's a complete player. He would be scary good in this offense.

I'm drooling just thinking about it.

If Marshall tests that well, there's no way he gets to 32.

I think you wait till round 2 and see who falls out of Dickerson, Humphrey, and Myers. I don’t think either of those guys go on the 1st, and I don’t se 3 centers going in round 2.

Then you possibly trade up round 3 for a WR or DE, depending on which of those 2 you get in the 1st.

That’s the ideal first 2 days for me.

Jefferson had nearly as many yards more receptions in 1 year than Marshall in his career and went #22. I wouldn't say no way.

Weren't we all crowing 8 months ago that the Chiefs had signed a super duper set of UDFA WRs? What happened to all of these guys:

Kalija Lipscomb, WR, Vanderbilt
Aleva Hifo, WR, BYU
Cody White, WR, Michigan State
Maurice Ffrench, WR, Pitt
Justice Shelton-Mosley, WR, Vanderbilt
Andre Baccellia, WR, Washington

I think it was more about the UDFA class overall than just WR.

No, I'm almost certain that people were excited about some of these WRs. Lipscomb and Ffrench in particular, IIRC.

Lipscomb was one of the top UDFA’s available, but I don’t think anybody was overly hyping him or the group up.

Like duncan said, it was more about the UDFA’s group as a whole.

Matt Miller has 13 tackles ranked in his top 100. Not saying it’s a must have but if Lucas Niang shows up at the start of next year before the draft and pulls a Breeland Speaks? Then yeah I’m looking at one of those guys, maybe even in the first rd.

This is a very good tackle class from what I’m reading.

The extra third for EB would be huge for this year’s draft. There should be some good talent left.

Yeah, it looks really good.

There are some really versatile guys who will be in range of Chiefs’ picks, too. Teven Jenkins and Alijah Vera-Tucker are both players who have played multiple positions in college and can be moved around. Would be an interesting type of player to take ... someone who can play LG/RG if Schwartz is back or Niang is ready at RT or play a tackle if that isn’t the case.

But it looks deep in T prospects, ESPECIALLY if you can take one and not immediately throw them in the starting lineup.

We really need someone that can replicate what Watkins gives us when he plays. With him not being available for most of this year I think if we can someone who can come in and do that then our offense is going to be really good next year.

We also probably need someone who can come in for Schwartz which are big shoes to fill.

Would love another TE option to make us harder to cover. Like the look of Pat Freiermuth.

Also our defensive interior probably needs to be looked at.

Not sure which of those we will solve in free agency and which in the draft.

Tackle seems like you of those where you don't need one til you do, so it's always good to be prepared.

Free agency is going to be interesting this year. Chiefs are right up against the cap and it looks like it's going to stay flat.

I'd just be shocked if owners and such let it go down that much to where teams are having mass bloodletting by cutting guys. Even if they cut them if it's that low, they aren't gonna go elsewhere cause no one is gonna have money. Seems the NFLPA and the NFL owners have a reason to borrow from future years to make it work.

Well, the rumors about it going down toe $175M are pretty much just rumors.

Credible sources are saying it will be about $195M but it's $198M now.

The Chiefs are over the cap for next year already and will have to shave to get under $198M, let alone $195M.

Convert Mahomes deal to a bonus, extend Mathieu and lose Schwartz. That should give us some space.

Losing Schwartz will actually cost us money. The dead cap hit is almost double the savings.

If he retires?

Yep.

The worst part is that the Chiefs can go after any remaining signing bonus and get it back (unless he chooses to fight it) but from what I've read about other cases, that recovered money is just cash, it doesn't give us any cap relief. It's already spent, so to speak.

Well ****. Never mind then.

I finally looked up his deal. He has a year left on his contract, with a $6M base, $3.75M prorated portion of his bonus left, and a $250k roster bonus.

So they’d be on the hook for what’s left of his bonus proration (3.75M), but what else are you projecting?

Interesting. Those numbers on Spotrac have changed since the season ended. Somehow the opt-out year must have had a weird affect.

You are right though, the dead cap is only $3.75M. That being said, his salary is only $5M, so not saving all that much.

Updated to add Eichenberg and Mayfield after Fisher’s injury.

Just watching casual football games Moore seems more talented than Bateman.

But I also thought Dexter McCluster looked good in college.

Take the Toney kid from Florida. Holy Shit.

There's your number 2 WR across from Tyreek.

Yeah, Toney would be excellent in this offense. He's my #2 choice after Terrance Marshall Jr.

He's perfect for this team/offense, but I feel he's rising up boards and will be gone before #32.

I could see that. He's a great prospect.

I know OL is the immediate need but it would be nice to get a guy like Carlos Basham. He could very well be Frank Clark's replacement. Dude is a beast.