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ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 15490199)
****ing the prom queen is so much better.

So I've heard.

The closest I've gotten was her older, much less hot, sister with the same shitty attitude.

Bearcat 01-18-2021 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490169)
I don't think that at all. I think we have a legit shot at winning this game.
I said in the other thread probably 60-40 favoring the Chiefs, but if we win it won't be some flukiness, we will have earned it.

538's model favors the Chiefs 52-48% and says the actual line should be Chiefs -0.5 points.

ESPN's FPI says with Mahomes the Chiefs win 61% of the time, which is pretty close to what I said. It's one game, anything can happen. Over a 7 game series I wouldn't like our chances. In a single game, I feel a little better.

Chiefs are the reigning champs but they are not infallible.

Football can be such a weird sport. There are games I feel like the Chiefs are in total control the entire game that end up as one of those "didn't win by enough" games.... the difference between a one possession lead or 4 possession lead can literally be the execution or lack there of on a few third downs, a few untimely penalties, etc.

I'm in the range that the Chiefs would win ~6 or 7 times out of 10. Just like with guessing the Browns were in the ~7-8 range (and now I'd say 8-9 range), leaning towards the potential randomness and of course right now Mahomes' health potentially having an impact.

OTOH, every other AFC team has been disappointing this playoff season, so I can't decide if I'm just buying into the hype.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 15490175)
Not trying to be a douchebag or anything but I think the only team that can possibly beat us is GB.

If you guys had another offensive weapon or had a more balanced approach on offense then maybe. I just feel like Allen and Diggs simply won't be enough.

Don't discount John Brown, he has been a very consistent receiver for us when healthy. He had no real impact the first game playing with a gimpy knee. He can definitely take the top off a defense.

Bearcat 01-18-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15490207)
And now Shitter2003 is back but ThaDix is gone again. ROFL

He thinks we're stupid.

Their latest posts are from ISPs in two different cities, so while it's not impossible of course, that would be a very strange workaround to post with two accounts.

tredadda 01-18-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 15490153)
I don’t know why even a Bills fan would want Mahomes to miss.

If we beat them without Josh Allen, I’d feel like we took a major shortcut. And it wouldn’t feel nearly as good.

We have a SB in recent memory, they have zero. Pretty sure they will take whatever they can get at this point.

htismaqe 01-18-2021 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15490242)
Their latest posts are from ISPs in two different cities, so while it's not impossible of course, that would be a very strange workaround to post with two accounts.

They post the exact same shit, right down to the same stats, the same chances of the Bills winning, and in EXACTLY the same writing style.

If it's not the same person, they've got some serious bot shit going on.

Mecca 01-18-2021 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 15490218)
That’s a fair comparison, although Allen is a little more athletic.

But the Big Rape went to 3 Super Bowls and won 2. I’m pretty sure most Buffalo fans would signup for that with Allen.

Ben was more heady in the sense he was coached to not throw picks and protect the ball.. Allen is bad with fumbles.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 15490218)
That’s a fair comparison, although Allen is a little more athletic.

But the Big Rape went to 3 Super Bowls and won 2. I’m pretty sure most Buffalo fans would signup for that with Allen.

Allen hasn't really been that this year other than a few spots. I feel as if people are simply waiting for him to do something like that so they can jump up and be like "See!! I told you he is still too reckless with the football!!"

QB's like Wilson make bad decisions like throwing a terrible pick 6 and complete 40% of his passes in the playoffs and people just gloss over it like those things happen. Allen makes a throw that a defender gets a hand on they lambast him for throwing into coverage and making a terrible decision.

It is kind of comical how Allen's standard of play needs to be much higher because of what people believed coming out of the draft and what they saw his first year and some of his second and not based on what other QBs around the league are doing.

jhawkinVA 01-18-2021 09:31 PM

Buffalo is really good. Even with Mahomes, they can absolutely win that game if we turn it over.

Protect the ball, though, and I don't think Buffalo can keep up. That's not a knock on them. It's just a testament to an offense that really can't be stopped if it's executing.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15490242)
Their latest posts are from ISPs in two different cities, so while it's not impossible of course, that would be a very strange workaround to post with two accounts.

I put him on ignore, so I didn't get a chance to see his idiotic posts to respond to them.

Mecca 01-18-2021 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490251)
Allen hasn't really been that this year other than a few spots. I feel as if people are simply waiting for him to do something like that so they can jump up and be like "See!! I told you he is still too reckless with the football!!"

QB's like Wilson make bad decisions like throwing a terrible pick 6 and complete 40% of his passes in the playoffs and people just gloss over it like those things happen. Allen makes a throw that a defender gets a hand on they lambast him for throwing into coverage and making a terrible decision.

It is kind of comical how Allen's standard of play needs to be much higher because of what people believed coming out of the draft and what they saw his first year and some of his second and not based on what other QBs around the league are doing.

He did it repeatedly in the Rams game...turning his back to the rush, holding the ball in 1 hand while trying to break DL tackles surrounded by others etc.

htismaqe 01-18-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490256)
I put him on ignore, so I didn't get a chance to see his idiotic posts to respond to them.

You put me on ignore, ThaDix? That's not very nice of you.

Also, considering I've made two posts to YOU and you already have me on ignore, that's even more incrimination.

ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490251)
Allen hasn't really been that this year other than a few spots. I feel as if people are simply waiting for him to do something like that so they can jump up and be like "See!! I told you he is still too reckless with the football!!"

QB's like Wilson make bad decisions like throwing a terrible pick 6 and complete 40% of his passes in the playoffs and people just gloss over it like those things happen. Allen makes a throw that a defender gets a hand on they lambast him for throwing into coverage and making a terrible decision.

It is kind of comical how Allen's standard of play needs to be much higher because of what people believed coming out of the draft and what they saw his first year and some of his second and not based on what other QBs around the league are doing.

Who cares? He wants a name for himself, to be the champ you got to beat the champ. He's here in 6 days for that opportunity. Do I think Buffalo will win? Not with Patrick, maybe not even with Henne.

Everybody was talking shit about Mahomes. He shut them up. Let's see if Allen can do it.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15490257)
He did it repeatedly in the Rams game...turning his back to the rush, holding the ball in 1 hand while trying to break DL tackles surrounded by others etc.

He also threw 25% of their entire years passing TDs allowed in 1 game and ran for another.

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-18-2021 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490006)
Sounds good in theory but don't you think Baltimore, Indy and pretty much every other team tried this too? There is a reason he had 127 catches and over 1500 yards and led the NFL in both receptions and yards. It would be like saying teams should take away Kelce. They try. It doesn't work.

There are scheme adjustments they can make which make it nearly impossible for a team to truly take him out...namely they run a lot of deep overs with him that means the CB is in a trail position underneath him and the safety is having to try and run from the other side of the field to catch him and Allen's ball placement on those throws is usually perfect out in front of him.

Additionally when Allen escapes the pocket(like Mahomes does a lot) zone coverages tend to break down and the Bills WR are very good at finding the holes in the zones, many times sitting down or even drifting slightly inside where Allen uses his arm to make throws that would be major no-no's for other QB's(like Mahomes does).

The problem with that comparison is that the Chiefs are filled to the brim with playmakers that Mahomes will be more than happy to throw to. You double Kelce, we've got Hill. You double both of them, we've got Watkins/Hardman. Or we've got CEH in the flat. Or we could just run it with CEH. Or we run a sweep motion.

I'm not talking bad about Diggs, he's great, but you put Sneed on him with some safety help, and you eliminate the big play, it just makes the game that much harder for Allen. Sure maybe Diggs gets open for some 10-15 yarders and racks up yards, maybe even a TD. But don't sleep on Spags. Force him to throw to his TE's, his 2nd or 3rd options, take away the reliable option when things break down.

ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 15490264)
The problem with that comparison is that the Chiefs are filled to the brim with playmakers that Mahomes will be more than happy to throw to. You double Kelce, we've got Hill. You double both of them, we've got Watkins/Hardman. Or we've got CEH in the flat. Or we could just run it with CEH. Or we run a sweep motion.

I'm not talking bad about Diggs, he's great, but you put Sneed on him with some safety help, and you eliminate the big play, it just makes the game that much harder for Allen. Sure maybe Diggs gets open for some 10-15 yarders and racks up yards, maybe even a TD. Force him to throw to his TE's, his 2nd or 3rd options, take away the reliable option when things break down.

Is Clyde expected back?

Mecca 01-18-2021 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490263)
He also threw 25% of their entire years passing TDs allowed in 1 game and ran for another.

And he does it because it works sometimes, the issue is other times you'll have a 4 turnover game or do it at a key time and lose.

His fumble against the Colts is an example of how he almost cost them the game bring reckless.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 15490264)
The problem with that comparison is that the Chiefs are filled to the brim with playmakers that Mahomes will be more than happy to throw to. You double Kelce, we've got Hill. You double both of them, we've got Watkins/Hardman. Or we've got CEH in the flat. Or we could just run it with CEH. Or we run a sweep motion.

I'm not talking bad about Diggs, he's great, but you put Sneed on him with some safety help, and you eliminate the big play, it just makes the game that much harder for Allen. Sure maybe Diggs gets open for some 10-15 yarders and racks up yards, maybe even a TD. But don't sleep on Spags. Force him to throw to his TE's, his 2nd or 3rd options, take away the reliable option when things break down.

I wouldn't discount Beasley, Brown or Davis for that matter. Davis has made big catches on the sideline for us when Allen scrambles all year. Beasley may not be 100% but he is still dangerous in the slot. The Ravens put Marlon Humphrey on him a lot of the game. Chiefs don't have a Marlon Humphrey to put on him in the slot.

tredadda 01-18-2021 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490270)
I wouldn't discount Beasley, Brown or Davis for that matter. Davis has made big catches on the sideline for us when Allen scrambles all year. Beasley may not be 100% but he is still dangerous in the slot. The Ravens put Marlon Humphrey on him a lot of the game. Chiefs don't have a Marlon Humphrey to put on him in the slot.

Don't underestimate Sneed. He might not be a Humphrey yet, but he is far better than you think he is.

comochiefsfan 01-18-2021 09:46 PM

Bills fans are absolutely PRAYING that Mahomes is concussed on their board.

It’s pathetic and disgusting.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15490269)
And he does it because it works sometimes, the issue is other times you'll have a 4 turnover game or do it at a key time and lose.

His fumble against the Colts is an example of how he almost cost them the game bring reckless.

Was that really a reckless play tho? He evaded a guy coming up the middle and simply turned and another player was in his face immediately. That just seemed like more of a bad luck play than reckless. Was it really any more reckless than Mahomes taking a 30 yard sack against the Dolphins?

I'll agree that he can be a little loose with the ball at times but him grabbing a Rams LB by the facemask and throwing him down knocking a DT down too like 2 bowling pins, then stiff arming Aaron Donald and escaping outside to throw the ball away was probably the most bad ass play of the year by a QB. Well...maybe his stiff arming a Dolphin DLineman literally on his back to the ground and then trucking a Dolphin LB for another 4 yards on the same scramble was probably equally badass. I mean, what QB does that??

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 15490280)
Don't underestimate Sneed. He might not be a Humphrey yet, but he is far better than you think he is.

He can't cover both Diggs and Beasley tho.

kccrow 01-18-2021 09:49 PM

If Spags has even a bit of sense to him he'll focus on shutting down what the Bills do best and that is throwing quick reads to Diggs. The Bills have other weapons in Davis and Beasley, but make them work for it.

On the flip side, the Chiefs didn't really focus on throwing the ball downfield last time and the Bills can't match the Chiefs in the speed and quickness department. Despite that fact, Mahomes was still surgical. I see Andy opening it up this time around.

Bearcat 01-18-2021 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15490247)
They post the exact same shit, right down to the same stats, the same chances of the Bills winning, and in EXACTLY the same writing style.

If it's not the same person, they've got some serious bot shit going on.

Yeah, I noticed some of the early posts... and of course there's the whole Einstein and Matter thing, which is a bit sus.

KChiefs1 01-18-2021 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15490281)
Bills fans are absolutely PRAYING that Mahomes is concussed on their board.

It’s pathetic and disgusting.

It's all they have...they know they are doomed if Mahomes plays.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15490292)
If Spags has even a bit of sense to him he'll focus on shutting down what the Bills do best and that is throwing quick reads to Diggs. The Bills have other weapons in Davis and Beasley, but make them work for it.

On the flip side, the Chiefs didn't really focus on throwing the ball downfield last time and the Bills can't match the Chiefs in the speed and quickness department. Despite that fact, Mahomes was still surgical. I see Andy opening it up this time around.

Bills bread and butter are 15-25 yard intermediate routes. They don't throw "deep" a lot based on what most people would consider go routes or deep posts 40 and 50 yards downfield, but they do get a lot of their chunk plays on deep overs, deep comebacks and sideline scramble drills.

Bills are not going to allow the Chiefs to beat them deep. We have what might be the best safety combination in the NFL in Poyer and Hyde and they are exceptional at taking those throws away. Have allowed the fewest number of those pretty much every season they have been together. A lot of teams don't even bother trying them. Bills play a lot of 2 high safety looks and disguise coverages sometimes post-snap even. TE's in the middle of the field can give them issues tho, although they did a decent job holding Kelce to 6 for 65 last game. Bills also have a tendency to allow too much yardage on swing and flat routes by RBs to the outside.

KChiefs1 01-18-2021 09:53 PM

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ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15490281)
Bills fans are absolutely PRAYING that Mahomes is concussed on their board.

It’s pathetic and disgusting.

I'm not one to throw stones at glass houses, but we were the fan base that cheered when Cassel, our own qb, got hurt.

There are dicks in all fanbases.

htismaqe 01-18-2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15490295)
Yeah, I noticed some of the early posts... and of course there's the whole Einstein and Matter thing, which is a bit sus.

There's also the fact that they aren't posting at the same time. It's either one or the other but not both.

ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15490304)
There's also the fact that they aren't posting at the same time. It's either one or the other but not both.

Maybe they take turns being the spokesperson for the group.

htismaqe 01-18-2021 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 15490306)
Maybe they take turns being the spokesperson for the group.

There's only so many folding tables.

Why Not? 01-18-2021 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490298)
Bills bread and butter are 15-25 yard intermediate routes. They don't throw "deep" a lot based on what most people would consider go routes or deep posts 40 and 50 yards downfield, but they do get a lot of their chunk plays on deep overs, deep comebacks and sideline scramble drills.

Bills are not going to allow the Chiefs to beat them deep. We have what might be the best safety combination in the NFL in Poyer and Hyde and they are exceptional at taking those throws away. A lot of teams don't even bother trying them. Bills play a lot of 2 high safety looks and disguise coverages sometimes post-snap even. TE's in the middle of he field can give them issues tho, although they did a decent job holding Kelce to 6 for 65 last game.

Game plan was to pound the ball and hit Kelce on occasion, when needed. Kelce can go for 8 and 100 on the Bills whenever he’d like. Hell, Jack Doyle whose not even the most athletic TE on his own team just roasted them.

Bearcat 01-18-2021 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15490304)
There's also the fact that they aren't posting at the same time. It's either one or the other but not both.

They were earlier.... they actually have a couple of instances within the same minute (such as both having a timestamp of 19:28).

htismaqe 01-18-2021 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15490312)
They were earlier.... they actually have a couple of instances within the same minute (such as both having a timestamp of 19:28).

I stand corrected.

ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15490312)
They were earlier.... they actually have a couple of instances within the same minute (such as both having a timestamp of 19:28).

Any from the grassy knoll?

Matter2003 01-18-2021 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15490312)
They were earlier.... they actually have a couple of instances within the same minute (such as both having a timestamp of 19:28).

Is that dude here to talk about football or be a ****ing detective? If he is, tell him don't quit his day job because his theory is wrong. Seems like he is trying to make the evidence fit what he believes to be true instead of allowing the evidence to help him decide what to believe. Epic fail.

kccrow 01-18-2021 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490298)
Bills bread and butter are 15-25 yard intermediate routes. They don't throw "deep" a lot based on what most people would consider go routes or deep posts 40 and 50 yards downfield, but they do get a lot of their chunk plays on deep overs, deep comebacks and sideline scramble drills.

Bills are not going to allow the Chiefs to beat them deep. We have what might be the best safety combination in the NFL in Poyer and Hyde and they are exceptional at taking those throws away. Have allowed the fewest number of those pretty much every season they have been together. A lot of teams don't even bother trying them. Bills play a lot of 2 high safety looks and disguise coverages sometimes post-snap even. TE's in the middle of the field can give them issues tho, although they did a decent job holding Kelce to 6 for 65 last game. Bills also have a tendency to allow too much yardage on swing and flat routes by RBs to the outside.

Serious question. Do you think the Bills are going to let KC control the middle of the field and gouge them in the running game again by keeping those safeties deep for 60 minutes? If the Bills don't change what they did last time, it's going to be the same game all over again. They almost have to gamble on taking away the short stuff at the risk of Hill and Hardman torching them deep. And if they do that, it's a difficult task. What is Buffalo's play here?

ShortRoundChief 01-18-2021 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490328)
Is that dude here to talk about football or be a ****ing detective? If he is, tell him don't quit his day job because his theory is wrong. Seems like he is trying to make the evidence fit what he believes to be true instead of allowing the evidence to help him decide what to believe. Epic fail.

Yo brah? What's your GPA?!

Mecca 01-18-2021 10:06 PM

Just remember, the Bills are assholes at covering TEs. The Colts went 14-130-TD using Jack Doyle and Mo Allie Cox, what's Kelce gonna do?

TribalElder 01-18-2021 10:14 PM

we are the second game next weekend

5:40 central

jhawkinVA 01-18-2021 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15490329)
Serious question. Do you think the Bills are going to let KC control the middle of the field and gouge them in the running game again by keeping those safeties deep for 60 minutes? If the Bills don't change what they did last time, it's going to be the same game all over again. They almost have to gamble on taking away the short stuff at the risk of Hill and Hardman torching them deep. And if they do that, it's a difficult task. What is Buffalo's play here?

I'm fascinated to see this, too. KC controlled the game last time. Part of me thinks Buffalo knows how that turned out and they won't want to watch that again. But my gut says they'll risk it and hope we get FGs instead of TDs in the red zone.

MahomesMagic 01-18-2021 10:15 PM

The more that I think about it, expect the public to be on the over but I think this game is an under.

Bills were terrified of our passing game last time. I think they continue to keep safeties deep forcing us to grab 5 to 7 yards a carry and hit passes in the middle of the field.

On defense I think Spags will have the false reads ready to play with Allen's head along with even more exotic pressure looks to consider.

All this adds up to low scoring.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15490329)
Serious question. Do you think the Bills are going to let KC control the middle of the field and gouge them in the running game again by keeping those safeties deep for 60 minutes? If the Bills don't change what they did last time, it's going to be the same game all over again. They almost have to gamble on taking away the short stuff at the risk of Hill and Hardman torching them deep. And if they do that, it's a difficult task. What is Buffalo's play here?

I'm not sure. McDermott said as much they allowed the Chiefs to run because they didn't think they would allow 245 yards rushing and they felt they had to 'pick their poison' because you can't stop everything. To a degree it worked decently well...the Bills held them to 26 points and were in a 1 score game in the middle of the 4th quarter, even though it never really felt the Bills were in the game.

I think they may start out that way again because they have been a lot better against the run(and on defense in general) in the 2nd half of the season, and even in the playoffs. The numbers look bad against the Colts, but they held Indy to under 3 YPC through 3 quarters until they went up 14 in the 4th and figured the Colts would abandon the run and start throwing every play. They didn't and they allowed 3 big runs that boosted their average. Against the Ravens, their back up QB had 3 runs for 32 yards that really boosted their average in what amounted to garbage time, otherwise the Bills held the Ravens to 118 yards and around a 4.0 or 4.1 YPC average which is outstanding against them. The Bills allow far too much when they are up by 2 scores late on defense and play much too soft for my liking.

I felt the Bills played too passively and gave Mahomes way too much respect by almost never blitzing until late in the game and that actually started working a little bit, especially against the run. In fact after that game the Bills became a much more aggressive team the rest of the year, blitzing far more than they ever did under Frazier.

My preference would be for the Bills to come after Mahomes up the middle and try and contain his escape lanes to the outside like they did against Jackson. Maybe show a lot of simulated pressures and have guys drop out. Bills are a very good pressure team in that they force the ball to come out quick a lot of times even tho they don't get a ton of sacks(15th in sacks with 38) and they can scheme up free runners by setting up overload blitzes where the team won't have enough people on 1 side to block everyone coming, even tho they only might be rushing 4 or 5. Ideally with the Bills, what they want to do is to use simulated pressure to confuse or overload the protection schemes and force the ball out quickly so the D can then keep everything in front of them and rally to the ball to keep it to a short gain.

If we are going to go down, then go down trying to make something happen instead of sitting back passively. That isn't going to work. It also isn't going to work if you come after him every time either, they need to really mix things up from series to series and even from down to down on the same series.

It is a really tough challenge no doubt. I think the Bills probably see if they shored up their run defense enough to play the way the wanted to in the first game more effectively and if not they probably switch to something else pretty early, maybe after the first 2 drives or so.

DRM08 01-18-2021 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490344)
I'm not sure. McDermott said as much they allowed the Chiefs to run because they didn't think they would allow 245 yards rushing and they felt they had to 'pick their poison' because you can't stop everything.

I think they may start out that way again because they have been a lot better against the run(and on defense in general) in the 2nd half of the season, and even in the playoffs. The numbers look bad against the Colts, but they held Indy to under 3 YPC through 3 quarters until they went up 14 in the 4th and figured the Colts would abandon the run and start throwing every play. They didn't and they allowed 3 big runs that boosted their average. Against the Ravens, their back up QB had 3 runs for 32 yards that really boosted their average in what amounted to garbage time, otherwise the Bills held the Ravens to 118 yards and around a 4.0 or 4.1 YPC average which is outstanding against them. The Bills allow far too much when they are up by 2 scores late on defense and play much too soft for my liking.

I felt the Bills played too passively and gave Mahomes way too much respect by almost never blitzing until late in the game and that actually started working a little bit. In fact after that game the Bills became a much more aggressive team the rest of the year, blitzing far more than they ever did under Frazier.

My preference would be for the Bills to come after Mahomes up the middle and try and contain his escape lanes to the outside like they did against Jackson. Maybe show a lot of simulated pressures and have guys drop out. Bills are a very good pressure team in that they force the ball to come out quick a lot of times even tho they don't get a ton of sacks(15th in sacks with 38) and they can scheme up free runners by setting up overload blitzes where the team won't have enough people on 1 side to block everyone coming, even tho they only might be rushing 4 or 5.

If we are going to go down, then go down trying to make something happen instead of sitting back passively. That isn't going to work. It also isn't going to work if you come after him every time either, they need to really mix things from series to series and even from down to down on the same series.

It is a really tough challenge no doubt. I think the Bills probably see if they shored up their run defense enough to play the way the wanted to in the first game more effectively and if not they probably switch to something else pretty early, maybe after the first 2 drives or so.

Blitzing Mahomes is not the best idea. Ravens found that out the hard way. I think the key is getting to him without a blitz. Need some monster pass rush guys in the DL who can do it without sending extra guys.

Bearcat 01-18-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15490329)
Serious question. Do you think the Bills are going to let KC control the middle of the field and gouge them in the running game again by keeping those safeties deep for 60 minutes? If the Bills don't change what they did last time, it's going to be the same game all over again. They almost have to gamble on taking away the short stuff at the risk of Hill and Hardman torching them deep. And if they do that, it's a difficult task. What is Buffalo's play here?

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15490341)
Bills were terrified of our passing game last time. I think they continue to keep safeties deep forcing us to grab 5 to 7 yards a carry and hit passes in the middle of the field.

I was thinking about that during the Bills/Ravens game... how they were absolutely not going to let Lamar Jackson do what he does best, just like the very different strategy to accomplish the same thing against Mahomes.

Of course, one is far easier, especially in a bit of winter weather, but curious how they adjust this weekend.

DRM08 01-18-2021 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 15490281)
Bills fans are absolutely PRAYING that Mahomes is concussed on their board.

It’s pathetic and disgusting.

It's the ultimate sign of respect though.

Matter2003 01-18-2021 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15490349)
Blitzing Mahomes is not the best idea. Ravens found that out the hard way. I think the key is getting to him without a blitz. Need some monster pass rush guys in the DL who can do it without sending extra guys.

Typically the Bills like to blitz but still play cover 2, 3 or 4 behind it and "give" the team a quick and easy 3 or 4 yard throw and then come screaming up to make the tackles and limit it to a minimal gain. Their strategy on 3rd and long is the same...if the team needs 13 or 14 yards for the first down, they will "give" them an easy throw for 7 or 8 and then come up and make the tackle for a 10 or 11 yard gain and force a punt. Sometimes they break tackles tho and end up with the first down, which is the downside of that strategy.

It worked a lot better last year for whatever reason when the Bills were an elite defense. This year they have gotten much better as the year went on but never quite made it back to that level although they have done a fantastic job of turning takeaways into defensive touchdowns this year(4 in the past 6 games I believe including last week) after not having any since 2017.

KChiefs1 01-18-2021 10:51 PM

Best defenses I've seen vs Patrick Mahomes are probably the Chargers & 49ers. That of course requires you to manufacture a pass rush using 4 down lineman named...Bosa, Ingram, Buckner & Bosa. Good Luck.

You have to get pressure by not sacrificing people in coverage. You bring a blitz & you are dead meat.

The combination of Mahomes, Andy Reid as a play designer and caller, and the Chiefs WR's makes the Chiefs nearly impossible to cover. This season, defenses have hoped to prevent the big passing play by using two deep safeties. It is the best way to slow down the Chiefs offense that I've seen. Buffalo kept two deep and a light box up front in order to dare the Chiefs to run. The Chiefs obliged but the Bills couldn’t stop them on the ground. The Chargers were able to use that deep coverage and add on with four-man pressures that allowed for more coverage on the second level. And just by keeping the game close, that still left a chance for the Chiefs to pull away at the end of the game for wins.

The coverage aren’t so much about if the Chiefs will beat the defense but more so how the Chiefs will beat the defense. That’s the problem with stopping the Chiefs offense, solving one problem creates another. This is incredibly oversimplified, but Tyreek Hill has been able to feast on single-high coverage and when the Chiefs face two-high safeties, it’s time for Travis Kelce. Pick your poison.

Even the best corners in the league haven’t been able to hold up and few safeties have the range to get from the middle of the field over to the sideline in order to catch Hill on the outside. Take the Tampa Bay game when the Buccaneers tried to run their typical defense, but even Carlton Davis, who had played like one of the better corners in the league, could only do so much in man coverage. He repeatedly got burned in the first quarter. Hill had six receptions on seven targets for 188 yards and three touchdowns against single-high coverages in that game.

Kelce’s ability to work the intermediate middle of the field when the safeties are playing deep has been a huge part of the Kansas City passing game this season and a big reason why he has had the greatest season by a TE in NFL history as teams have been employing the 2-high tactic. Between Reid's route concepts and Kelce’s run after the catch ability, he’s been one of the more productive receivers after the catch.

For as much as defenses have tried to vary game plans against the Chiefs, the best defense this year has been an offense able to keep up. That’s how the Raiders gave the Chiefs their lone loss with Mahomes.

Buffalo might still present the most interesting test as a team that figured out how to slow down the offense, but couldn’t stop the run when they dared the Chiefs to do it. But since that game, the Bills’ run defense has improved, which could limit the damage done on the ground, though it’s no guarantee the Chiefs would give in to the light boxes again. But the Bills’ pass defense has also improved after a rough start and on its best day, the Buffalo offense has the ability to put up points.

Still, we’re talking about everything breaking just right for a team to defend and hang with the Chiefs. It’s not impossible, but even without blowing teams away, Kansas City has made it as hard as possible to take them down.

Good Luck! :p

htismaqe 01-18-2021 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490328)
Is that dude here to talk about football or be a ****ing detective? If he is, tell him don't quit his day job because his theory is wrong. Seems like he is trying to make the evidence fit what he believes to be true instead of allowing the evidence to help him decide what to believe. Epic fail.

I've been talking football here for 20 years, long before you Bills trolls showed up and long after you go away.

By the way, the whole "talk football" thing is really funny ThaDix. Every time you post, you give it away, dumbass.

bringbackmarty 01-18-2021 11:45 PM

Those of you who thought Leveon Bell would have any type of role in these playoffs, shame on you. It's gonna be Darrell Williams/Clyde Frog 50\50 in the Super Bowl. Maybe Darrell Gets the start this week, with a bit of Clyde frog mixed in. Darrell is a vet in the system, Andy will use him on third downs and may even feature him.

bringbackmarty 01-18-2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490344)
I'm not sure. McDermott said as much they allowed the Chiefs to run because they didn't think they would allow 245 yards rushing and they felt they had to 'pick their poison' because you can't stop everything. To a degree it worked decently well...the Bills held them to 26 points and were in a 1 score game in the middle of the 4th quarter, even though it never really felt the Bills were in the game.

I think they may start out that way again because they have been a lot better against the run(and on defense in general) in the 2nd half of the season, and even in the playoffs. The numbers look bad against the Colts, but they held Indy to under 3 YPC through 3 quarters until they went up 14 in the 4th and figured the Colts would abandon the run and start throwing every play. They didn't and they allowed 3 big runs that boosted their average. Against the Ravens, their back up QB had 3 runs for 32 yards that really boosted their average in what amounted to garbage time, otherwise the Bills held the Ravens to 118 yards and around a 4.0 or 4.1 YPC average which is outstanding against them. The Bills allow far too much when they are up by 2 scores late on defense and play much too soft for my liking.

I felt the Bills played too passively and gave Mahomes way too much respect by almost never blitzing until late in the game and that actually started working a little bit, especially against the run. In fact after that game the Bills became a much more aggressive team the rest of the year, blitzing far more than they ever did under Frazier.

My preference would be for the Bills to come after Mahomes up the middle and try and contain his escape lanes to the outside like they did against Jackson. Maybe show a lot of simulated pressures and have guys drop out. Bills are a very good pressure team in that they force the ball to come out quick a lot of times even tho they don't get a ton of sacks(15th in sacks with 38) and they can scheme up free runners by setting up overload blitzes where the team won't have enough people on 1 side to block everyone coming, even tho they only might be rushing 4 or 5. Ideally with the Bills, what they want to do is to use simulated pressure to confuse or overload the protection schemes and force the ball out quickly so the D can then keep everything in front of them and rally to the ball to keep it to a short gain.

If we are going to go down, then go down trying to make something happen instead of sitting back passively. That isn't going to work. It also isn't going to work if you come after him every time either, they need to really mix things up from series to series and even from down to down on the same series.

It is a really tough challenge no doubt. I think the Bills probably see if they shored up their run defense enough to play the way the wanted to in the first game more effectively and if not they probably switch to something else pretty early, maybe after the first 2 drives or so.

Dude, if mahomes is playing we are throwing 90% of the time, good luck. We aren't going to do death by 1,000 paper cuts because yo secondary got regular season reid offense the first time and andy aint scared of Josh. We will score at will. It's on honkey magic to keep up and he will not.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty (Post 15490436)
Dude, if mahomes is playing we are throwing 90% of the time, good luck. We aren't going to do death by 1,000 paper cuts because yo secondary got regular season reid offense the first time and andy aint scared of Josh. We will score at will. It's on honkey magic to keep up and he will not.

You'll get your points but I don't think you are going to score at will. Bills secondary is pretty good with an all-pro at CB in Tre White. Very good ball hawking slot corner in Johnson with 2 pick 6's in the past 5 or 6 weeks.

Guess it is up to Josh to change his mind then.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15490201)
You would have thought the Bills organization would have figured out they were drafting a pussy or not. It seems every little thing bothers him. :deevee:

Lucky thing he doesn't break his knee cap on a QB sneak or get choked out by a defender on a run tho right? Then we would really be in trouble! :evil:

Matter2003 01-19-2021 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 15489957)
Bad matchup for the Bills. They can't run at all. We can gash them with the run and once again, Kelce will eat.

Let's actually take a look at that statement that we can't run at all.

Bills rushing avg: 4.2 YPC (20th in NFL)
Chiefs rushing avg: 4.5 YPC (12th)

-overall team rushing average per carry

Bills RB rushing avg: 4.49 YPC (11th)
Chiefs RB rushing avg: 4.22 YPC (18th)

-RB only rushing average per carry

Bills power success rate: 66% (T 16th)
Chiefs power success rate: 51% (32nd)

-power success is a run on 3rd/4th down of 2 yards or less that results in a first down/TD

Bills stuffed rate: 16.9% (15th)
Chiefs stuffed rate: 17.7% (20th)

-stuff rate is percentage of runs for no gain or loss of yardage


The Bills are actually a better running team than the Chiefs are in a traditional sense with the RBs. They average more yards per carry, are better on power runs and get stuffed less often.

The Chiefs are better overall due to their success with WR runs(Hill/Hardiman) for the most part boosting their average whereas the Bills WR runs were basically no gains or lost yardage.

Kind of what I have been saying all along...the Bills are not "bad" at running, they just don't like to do it. There is a big difference. They would rather drop back and throw it because they think they have an advantage against most teams that way. I would like the Bills to mix in some more runs in this game, although I don't think they will.

ShortRoundChief 01-19-2021 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490453)
Let's actually take a look at that statement that we can't run at all.

Bills rushing avg: 4.2 YPC (20th in NFL)
Chiefs rushing avg: 4.5 YPC (12th)

-overall team rushing average per carry

Bills RB rushing avg: 4.49 YPC (11th)
Chiefs RB rushing avg: 4.22 YPC (18th)

-RB only rushing average per carry

Bills power success rate: 66% (T 16th)
Chiefs power success rate: 51% (32nd)

-power success is a run on 3rd/4th down of 2 yards or less that results in a first down/TD

Bills stuffed rate: 16.9% (15th)
Chiefs stuffed rate: 17.7% (20th)

-stuff rate is percentage of runs for no gain or loss of yardage


The Bills are actually a better running team than the Chiefs are in a traditional sense with the RBs. They average more yards per carry, are better on power runs and get stuffed less often.

The Chiefs are better overall due to their success with WR runs(Hill/Hardiman) for the most part boosting their average whereas the Bills WR runs were basically no gains or lost yardage.

Kind of what I have been saying all along...the Bills are not "bad" at running, they just don't like to do it. There is a big difference. They would rather drop back and throw it because they think they have an advantage against most teams that way. I would like the Bills to mix in some more runs in this game, although I don't think they will.

Kudos on that whole cherry picking of the stats. "runs by rb only"

The jet sweep, rpo and short passes that are basically runs (i.e. shovel pass to kelce) are a huge part of our game. So spank your dick about being 8 spots behind the running backs, even after we lost our starter.

Newsflash: Not a good way to view that.

ShortRoundChief 01-19-2021 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490444)
Lucky thing he doesn't break his knee cap on a QB sneak or get choked out by a defender on a run tho right? Then we would really be in trouble! :evil:


LOL I think I call you candy dumb. I can't figure if you're equal parts candyass to dumbass or lean one way or another.

Pat got choked and looped. less than 2 minutes later he's sprinting to the locker room, presumably so he can show what he needs to get back in.

Denver pushed his kneecap to the.side.of. his leg. He hobbled for 50 yards and it popped back in.

You can say what you want puss cakes. Pat's a ****ing beast.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 15490462)
Kudos on that whole cherry picking of the stats. "runs by rb only"

The jet sweep, rpo and short passes that are basically runs (i.e. shovel pass to kelce) are a huge part of our game. So spank your dick about being 8 spots behind the running backs, even after we lost our starter.

Newsflash: Not a good way to view that.

We also use jet sweeps and pop passes quite a bit to McKenzie and they work really well.

Exactly how is that cherry picking? The vast majority of running plays go to the running backs(almost 80% for the Chiefs).

Newsflash, passes don't count as runs, they count as passes.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 15490465)
LOL I think I call you candy dumb. I can't figure if you're equal parts candyass to dumbass or lean one way or another.

Pat got choked and looped. less than 2 minutes later he's sprinting to the locker room, presumably so he can show what he needs to get back in.

Denver pushed his kneecap to the.side.of. his leg. He hobbled for 50 yards and it popped back in.

You can say what you want puss cakes. Pat's a ****ing beast.

I think you have spent too much time sniffing nail polish remover while posting.

ShortRoundChief 01-19-2021 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490466)
We also use jet sweeps and pop passes quite a bit to McKenzie and they work really well.

Exactly how is that cherry picking? The vast majority of running plays go to the running backs(almost 80% for the Chiefs).

Newsflash, passes don't count as runs, they count as passes.

You miss the point. We have substitutes for the traditional run game which is a significant part of our game. Even with that, we still average more yards per rush by rb than your team.

Dull Tools 01-19-2021 04:49 AM

The amount of people saying Allen is close to overtaking Mahomes. People have such short term memories. They have been starting QBs for the same amount of time.

Allen really didn't play well against the Ravens and he wasn't much better against the Colts. He has had a really good season but they really need to calm down the hype.

Why Not? 01-19-2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490453)
Let's actually take a look at that statement that we can't run at all.

Bills rushing avg: 4.2 YPC (20th in NFL)
Chiefs rushing avg: 4.5 YPC (12th)

-overall team rushing average per carry

Bills RB rushing avg: 4.49 YPC (11th)
Chiefs RB rushing avg: 4.22 YPC (18th)

-RB only rushing average per carry

Bills power success rate: 66% (T 16th)
Chiefs power success rate: 51% (32nd)

-power success is a run on 3rd/4th down of 2 yards or less that results in a first down/TD

Bills stuffed rate: 16.9% (15th)
Chiefs stuffed rate: 17.7% (20th)

-stuff rate is percentage of runs for no gain or loss of yardage


The Bills are actually a better running team than the Chiefs are in a traditional sense with the RBs. They average more yards per carry, are better on power runs and get stuffed less often.

The Chiefs are better overall due to their success with WR runs(Hill/Hardiman) for the most part boosting their average whereas the Bills WR runs were basically no gains or lost yardage.

Kind of what I have been saying all along...the Bills are not "bad" at running, they just don't like to do it. There is a big difference. They would rather drop back and throw it because they think they have an advantage against most teams that way. I would like the Bills to mix in some more runs in this game, although I don't think they will.

I’d be curious to see what those numbers look like since Moss went out?

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 07:03 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a>! Appreciate you watching the show. And those highlights, particularly the one where you sack Tyler Huntley, are very impressive!<br><br>Can’t wait for your trip to Arrowhead, Sunday. I don’t imagine this will age poorly, at all, after Mahomes &amp; Co. hang 40 on you. <a href="https://t.co/6lejq2iY6s">https://t.co/6lejq2iY6s</a></p>&mdash; nick wright (@getnickwright) <a href="https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1351498503369928705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kccrow 01-19-2021 07:24 AM

That video is more hilarious in that Nick wasn't wrong aside from the outcome. The Ravens had the better defense in that game. The Ravens ran the ball straight up for a buck fiddy. So, he wasn't wrong in those regards. Kind of silly to pimp that for the Bills. For the Bills, it truly was a miracle they won that game.

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15490592)
That video is more hilarious in that Nick wasn't wrong aside from the outcome. The Ravens had the better defense in that game. The Ravens ran the ball straight up for a buck fiddy. So, he wasn't wrong in those regards. Kind of silly to pimp that for the Bills. For the Bills, it truly was a miracle they won that game.

Both QBs in that game were bad but Ravens offensive playcalling was stunningly atrocious.

So your team is good at power running and throwing over the middle.

Buffalo is susceptible to both

So constantly play away from your strengths and into the other team.

Example: 3rd and 6 let's run a slow developing sweep to the outside on Buffalo.

Reminded me of Steelers who kept trying little passes to the outside.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15490592)
That video is more hilarious in that Nick wasn't wrong aside from the outcome. The Ravens had the better defense in that game. The Ravens ran the ball straight up for a buck fiddy. So, he wasn't wrong in those regards. Kind of silly to pimp that for the Bills. For the Bills, it truly was a miracle they won that game.

Stats without context are meaningless. Lazy use of them by you.

32 of the yards came by their backup QB down 14. 20 of those came on a 3rd and 32 from their own 1 yard line. Those yards were useless. They were already down 17-3.

So when the game was in the balance, the Ravens ran for 118 yards, and for an average of about 4.1 YPC. Both well below their averages for the year. If you watched the game, other than 4 runs that gained a total of about 60 yards(literally the first 3 plays of the first drive and 1 a 15 yard scramble by Jackson on a 3rd and 14 later in the game), they did almost nothing running the ball. They were not able to consistently move the ball and constantly were in 3rd and long all game where they cannot really operate well.

That was a masterclass on defense on how to shut that offense down. They scored 3 points.

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490635)
Stats without context are meaningless. Lazy use of them by you.

32 of the yards came by their backup QB down 14. 20 of those came on a 3rd and 32. Those yards were useless. They were already down 17-3.

So when the game was in the balance, the Ravens for 118 yards, and for an average of about 4.1 YPC. Both well below their averages for the year. If you watched the game, other than 4 runs that gained a total of about 60 yards(literally the first 3 plays of the first drive and 1 a 15 yard scramble by Jackson on a 3rd and 14 later in the game), they did almost nothing running the ball. They were not able to consistently move the ball and constantly were in 3rd and long all game where they cannot really operate well.

That was a masterclass on defense on how to shut that offense down. They scored 3 points.

ROFL

Matter2003 01-19-2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15490601)
Both QBs in that game were bad but Ravens offensive playcalling was stunningly atrocious.

So your team is good at power running and throwing over the middle.

Buffalo is susceptible to both

So constantly play away from your strengths and into the other team.

Example: 3rd and 6 let's run a slow developing sweep to the outside on Buffalo.

Reminded me of Steelers who kept trying little passes to the outside.

Other than the first 3 runs of the game where Buffalo needed to make a few adjustments to their gap fits, how many runs up the middle did you see that worked for the Ravens? I can't even think of one.

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490639)
Other than the first 3 runs of the game where Buffalo needed to make a few adjustments to their gap fits, how many runs up the middle did you see that worked for the Ravens? I can't even think of one.

Ravens were too spread out. The runs up the middle are always there against Buffalo.

Poor coaching, bad QB play, missed field goals.

Lamar had guys running wide open and he kept missing them as well as his terrible read on the pick 6 that swung the game 14 points.

Were the Ravens running a "masterclass" of defense on Buffalo as well?

Matter2003 01-19-2021 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15490638)
ROFL

When you actually understand what you are watching, it helps. Maybe go watch some in depth breakdowns of the game that are out there because clearly you struggle with that aspect.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15490641)
Ravens were too spread out. The runs up the middle are always there against Buffalo.

Poor coaching, bad QB play, missed field goals.

Lamar had guys running wide open and he kept missing them as well as his terrible read on the pick 6 that swung the game 14 points.

Were the Ravens running a "masterclass" of defense on Buffalo as well?

If you watched the game you would have seen it clearly was not there. Bills stacked the box and many times were playing a "bear front", with a DT lined up directly over the center and 2 other lineman lined up directly over the guards. This caused all kinds of issues for the Ravens because they love pulling guards and using the center to reach block on either side. When the guards pulled, the Bills defenders simply shot the gap and ended up in the backfield to disrupt the play and had contain on both sides so there was literally nowhere to go whether Lamar kept the ball or handed it off. Part of the reason the center was having bad snaps was because he was trying to hurry up and execute a reach block a defensive end with a player lined up directly over him at the snap, which is almost an impossible ask for him to do that against that type of defense...just bad coaching and no adjustment from Roman.

Additionally, Harrison Phillips has been the 2nd best run defender in term of run stops in the entire NFL over the 2nd half of the year. He came back from a torn ACL last year and obviously wasn't his normal self over the first half of the season. Actually was inactive for a few games during that time. A big reason the Bills only were allowing an average of 94 yards rushing against the last 8 games.

He kept missing guys because he was under pressure all nigh with guys in his face. He is NOT a good QB in terms of dropping back and throwing it, like when you were a kid playing pick up basketball and there was always the one kid nobody ever bothered guarding when he had an open shot because he always missed and you called him a "self-check". Bills told Lamar we think you are a self-check in that regard, prove us a wrong and he couldn't for most of the night.

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490644)
When you actually understand what you are watching, it helps. Maybe go watch some in depth breakdowns of the game that are out there because clearly you struggle with that aspect.

Anyone that disagrees with your take didn't "watch the game".

Weak sauce.

I watched two QB's play poorly. Allen will need to do a lot better than 1 TD drive this weekend to take out KC.

Matter2003 01-19-2021 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15490667)
Anyone that disagrees with your take didn't "watch the game".

Weak sauce.

I watched two QB's play poorly. Allen will need to do a lot better than 1 TD drive this weekend to take out KC.

Watching and understanding are two different things. Anyone who thought the Ravens ran effectively clearly didn't watch the same game.

Allen played OK, Ravens coverage was really great for most of the game, especially Humphrey, who might have been the best player on the field that game.

I would expect Allen plays one of his best games of the year Sunday.

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Matter2003 (Post 15490672)
Watching and understanding are two different things. Anyone who thought the Ravens ran effectively clearly didn't watch the same game.

Allen played OK, Ravens coverage was really great for most of the game, especially Humphrey, who might have been the best player on the field that game.

I would expect Allen plays one of his best games of the year Sunday.

I didn't say they ran effectively. They SHOULD have been able to. If you actually read what I wrote you would have not missed that. You are arguing with someone else.

Ravens coverage-They have very good corners. I don't think their plan was terrible but it wasn't A work either. Lots of man, some zone. Not much pressure. They showed the pressure and bailed which is good but they never actually went through with it enough.

That makes the show pressure/bail less effective.

Chiefs destroy those corners with our weapons.

RaidersOftheCellar 01-19-2021 09:07 AM

Buffalo's yards/game vs AFC playoff teams: 298

KC: 474 (including a half without Mahomes)

But tell us more about how well they compare offensively.

Sassy Squatch 01-19-2021 09:07 AM

Meh. Buffalo clearly adjusted and shut the Ravens down after getting obliterated that first drive.

I do have to laugh at the idea that Baltimore just needs a WR1 for Jackson like I've been seeing recently, though. Had a wide open Brown in the end zone and misfired badly, then threw the game clinching pick 6. The desperation of the media for Jackson to be successful is baffling.

FloridaMan88 01-19-2021 09:14 AM

Same ref that worked the Chiefs Super Bowl win last year... Bill Vinovich will be the ref for Sunday's game.

No Clitoris Blakeman.

Thank you Jesus.

MahomesMagic 01-19-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 15490704)
Buffalo's yards/game vs AFC playoff teams: 298

KC: 474 (including a half without Mahomes)

But tell us more about how well they compare offensively.

Buffalo fans will mention KC won by only 5 points.

I'm serious.

htismaqe 01-19-2021 09:20 AM

The Ravens defense held Josh Allen to 206 yards and 1 TD. QBR of 51.

Last year? 147 yards, 1 TD, and a 16.7 QBR. And in 2018? 74 yards, 0 TD's, and a QBR of 37.

Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes put up 385 yards, 4 TD's, and a near perfect 98.5 QBR on the Ravens earlier this year.

Last year? 374 yards, 3 TD, and an 86.5 QBR. And in 2018? 377 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, and a 59.7 QBR.

Mahomes' worst game against that Baltimore defense is significantly better than Allen's best game against that defense.

I told everyone the Browns wouldn't score 30 points against the Chiefs. They didn't even break 20. I'll hold off predictions for now but if Buffalo fans think Allen is going to outscore Patrick ****ing Mahomes, they're kidding themselves.

htismaqe 01-19-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15490706)
Meh. Buffalo clearly adjusted and shut the Ravens down after getting obliterated that first drive.

I do have to laugh at the idea that Baltimore just needs a WR1 for Jackson like I've been seeing recently, though. Had a wide open Brown in the end zone and misfired badly, then threw the game clinching pick 6. The desperation of the media for Jackson to be successful is baffling.

Yep.

Rukdafaidas 01-19-2021 09:22 AM

Will Kilgore start at C this week for the Chiefs?


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