Outside the box thinking, would you look around and see if someone might trade you a LT for 32?

Say if the Lions wanna rebuild fully, see if they'd trade you Decker for 32 and maybe next years 3rd or the Bienemy 3rd?

While I don't disagree with any of this, a kid like Jalen Mayfield is an interesting prospect. I think if he had one more college season he'd likely end up going high in the first. As it is, I think he's a late first/very early 2nd.

Niang I loved when they drafted him; and I kind of think this opt-out was a medical red-shirt for him to heal the hip injury, I really doubt that Veach and Reid were caught off-guard.

Anyway, I'm uncomfortable just handing him the spot. And at any rate, we're going to need TWO offensive tackles just to tread water.

And could use an upgrade or two inside too, especially considering Reiter's a FA and I think Wylie is too?

They don't have to be round one, but typically good OT's come there.

Braden Smith, 2nd round (37)
Dion Dawkins, 2nd round (63)
Andrew Whitworth, 2nd round (55th)
Trent Brown, 7th round
Orlando Brown, Jr., 3rd round (83rd)
La'ell Collins UDFA
Mitchell Schwartz, 2nd round (37)
Terron Armstead, 3rd round (75th)
David Bakhtiar, 4th round (109th)
Taylor Moton, 2nd round (64th)

And that doesn't include guys that were drafted in the 1st but after pick 22 (Duane Brown, Bryan Bulaga, Isaiah Wynn, Anthony Costanzo, Ryan Ramczyk,

That's the kind of panic move bad teams do.

They'll do they're due diligence, maybe move around the cap and see what is available in FA as a stop gap.

So how does that help with the loss of Fisher?

You reach for an OT in the 1st with so many other needs and better value available only to plug him in on the right side and still have a gaping hole at LT.

Sorry man, that's just dumb.

No way. Too many needs to do that.

LT is up there in importance with QB and pass rushers though. That may outweigh some other needs.

The majority of your LT's come from the first round, so thats gonna have to be figured out one way or another.

I think you could get creative and possibly trade 32 for a currently established LT if you had to. Wonder what the Eagles plans with Dillard are?

About half come from the TOP TEN. We're not trading up that high.

The next 25% or so come in around 22-32 in the first. That's always possible.

The last 25% or so come from everywhere else, although the vast majority come in the 2nd round.

If you really want to pick up an OT, the best value move would like to be to trade DOWN, take one in the high 2nd and get back some picks.

Could Remmers fill in at LT until Fisher comes back? Re-sign Remmers and figure out RT.

Or we could get lucky and have Durant or Rankin develop into the starter there. Thats best case scenario.

The only problem is that Fisher's contract only had 1 year left on it.

They could easily go with a stop gap if Fisher were back in 2022 but as of right now, that's only happening if he signs an extension, during an injury year.

With Fisher tearing an achilles, I'd think it's time to start looking for the next long term LT just in case.

75% of the LT's in the league come from the first so you'll have to probably start there. I dunno what I'd do. I haven't paid much attention to the current LT crop.

Hell, call up the Texans and see what they'd take for Tunsil

Did I say reach for one? NO.

Did I say it's now an area of need? YES.

There are a few guys that might very well be best player available at #32 that happen to be OT's. And we have Niang returning, and we have TWO offensive tackle spots to fill. Certainly there are a few OT's that are being mocked right around there. That's not dumb. It's just that it's not what YOU want to do, so you're arguing against it, which is fine, but there's nothing dumb about it.

In your previous OT list, by the way, are some RT's. I don't think it's a wild stretch to say that most quality LT's are first rounders. It's just not.

Maybe we can fill the spots in FA, or one in FA, and one from within with a young guy moving up, and only Veach and Reid know what we have there.

But to say it's DUMB to take a guy that would be taken right around where we'll draft at a position that is now of dire need is ridiculous.

so which is it? am I DUMB for saying take one late in the first/early second or not? I'm confused.

I literally posted a mock in which I moved down into the upper second and took Mayfield. So both of my thoughts on the matter you indicate here are total possibilities; yet you previously called me stupid for saying we probably need to look at OT with our first pick.

Sorry man, I shouldn't have said "dumb". You know full well what I think of you and your opinions. Much respect here and you know that.

OT is the same position it was before the injury. Most of the guys that could replace Eric Fisher right away are going top 10-15. We have no realistic or practical shot at those guys.

So we're sitting at #32, just like we always were, and there's guys available that were available before the injury. They're either worth #32 or they're not. Fisher's injury doesn't change our draft board at all.

Unless you're going to panic and take an OT at #32 that wasn't on the list prior to Fisher's injury. That would be a bad move, period.

I didn't see your mock until after I posted that - obviously, we agree.

See my previous post.

I think you can forget about getting a legit blue chip type LT for sure. Those go way early, can't get that high.

Look at the developmental type

So we need to come out of this draft with a center and a tackle. I think guard is good for the most part. Allegretti is probably your LG and barring something drastic happening....LDT is your RG.

I have to wonder what Taylor Moton is going to cost.

Lots of ways to skin the cat. It still all comes down to me to who they feel is the best value in that spot.

If it's a T like Jaylen Mayfield or Teven Jenkins, or a WR like our boy Marshall, or a DE like Azeez or Phillips or Odeyingbo, OK. All work for me.

This is, fortunately, a really good T draft.

I had heard the same on Mitchell Schwartz, actually.

Makes the Niang pick even more interesting. I assume Veach is aware both are mulling retirement rather than extension.

Fisher has been so good for them and so critical to the team's success... I have a feeling they'll try to take care of him in some way. Maybe that means they extend him to reduce this year's cap hit and spread out the cost of cutting him over two years or something like that (or give him the option to see how rehab goes and come back in 2022 for one more year).

I think they'll have to get creative. I like the idea of drafting and developing one, but we'll just have to see.

I don't see them going into next season with a rookie on one side and Niang, who will essentially be a rookie, on the other side.

They need two tackles and at least one of them needs to be a vet, IMO.

I guess we will see.

Yeah, you gotta figure Niang slots in there somewhere. He was good at LT at TCU, so if he can do it, you put him there IMO.

I think Remmers is now our most important FA. But I don’t feel as bad bc I think Rankin needs more time to rehab. He was a rock solid G in 2019 but has looked poor this year.

I would be open to signing Jason Peters. Yes he’s old but he’s still pretty solid and he would be cheap. Oh and he’s an Andy Reid guy.

We need G’s but Andy has proven he can get quality G’s late in LDT, Fulton and most recently Allegretti (what a find!). I’d like Andy to take at least one G in the 5th or 6th rd.

I think our biggest needs are still receiver and pass rusher and C.

We really need a receiver badly bc if something happens to Tyreek or Kelce? Then the offense will really be in trouble.

I think so too.

I would be really tempted to shop their first rounder around to some of the teams looking to really rebuild and see if they'd swing a pick for a LT.

The Lions, the Falcons, maybe the Eagles with Dillard.

If you could get one of those guys for 32 and next years 3rd, I'd be interested.

I agree with a lot of this.

We need to make sure we have a steady influx of play makers. No amount of OL help is going to keep Mahomes from getting murdered if he's missing one of his safety outlets. He's got to be able to get rid of the ball.

You're making a major leap of faith saying that Fisher will be the same. There's a very good chance he'll never be the same player again.

It would help a ton if they can talk Mitchell into 1 more year and he holds RT steady.

I'd see about Rankin at LT. He was ok at guard last year, I don't know about "rock solid". IF he coudl play LT well, that would be huge.

Peters is so ancient. I'd be hesistant there. I'd keep Remmers over that.

It's situations like this where you always just have to keep stocking talent on your roster. You don't know where holes will occur or when things pop up.

Usually when you lose a LT like this, you're gonna have to pay to get one somewhere.

I woudln't be upset trying to keep Osemele around another year or two on a nice cheap deal.

I'd be open to something like that.

Just keep in mind that the big reason Rankin is a Chiefs and Tunsil is a Texan is because Rankin was AWFUL at tackle.

For sure.

Just from a cost standpoint, being able to have Rankin there making peanuts woudl really help alleviate some cost elsewhere.

I figure, from a financial standpoint you've got LT slated to always be highly paid so that woudln't be an issue here

Would try to keep Remmers at G or RT and Peters at LT. Either way I think Remmers is a must sign even if Schwartz is okay.

Give that man a raise and bring him back. He’s cheap

Absolutely on the table, in my opinion.

We actually have a direct precedent for this with Brett Veach.

Gotta think they'd want more than that for Decker but if they'd do it, you jump at the chance. Still young.

A 1st and throw in a few kneecaps.

ROFL

That should definitely give them something to chew on.

Why would the Lions want to trade Decker though. I’d assume they’d want to protect whatever QB they end up with.

dumb sounded a little harsh and I took some offense. But I was undercaffeinated, so it's probably my fault.

I think you're right of course that guys you could expect to replace a healthy Fisher on day one with little to no drop off are certainly going top ten.

Problem is, nobody in the NFL is going to trade a guy like that for even a #32 because then they'd be in the same situation. So you can pay top dollar for one in FA, or you can draft a guy that you hope can be serviceable to begin with, learn fast, and get to Fisher's level quickly. I think a kid like Jalen Mayfield has all the tools, but only two years of playing. I think if he had one more year in college, he'd be a top ten pick. If we were to nab him, we'd have to hope we could coach him up and speed up that process. It's not ideal, but I don't know what better option there is.

Nah, I definitely said "dumb" and shouldn't have. Of course, I've now had my coffee as well so we're good. :)

Take Mayfield in the 1st and have Rankin or Remmers play OT next year. ;)

I think they're going to have to get a FA tackle somewhere, whether in actual FA or retaining one of our guys.

Niang better be ready to go after opting out. No excuses.

Rankin has been a disaster at LT in the past, that's why he's here. Remmers has done okay, and I absolutely think you have to bring him back, but he's long in the tooth and a stop-gap. I think you're right that Niang is a must-hit draftee at this point, but you're going to need another old vet on a one year deal type of guy to maybe hold the fort. It's going to have to be cheap, which means you really need to hedge that with some real draft resources.

Damnit. I really wanted a Jaelen Phillips type as I felt we were one more pass rusher away from a dominant defense. Of course, I kind of like that kid from Pitt maybe in the third.

That's just the thing - if Phillips is there and you really feel he's the missing piece, you take him. Period.

You don't change your draft board. If you have an OT on your board now and he's there, take him sure. But you don't move lesser guys up just because Fisher is hurt.

Stick to the draft board. Fill needs in free agency, even if they have to be cheap or stop gap moves. Eventually, that need will coincide with the strength of the draft board and you can make your move.

Agree.

There will be good OL available in the 2nd round. Maybe this means you use some of the Chiefs' comp pick draft capital to move up a bit in the second to make sure they can land their guy there.

well I only mean that if you've got two players of relatively equal ranking that you take the guy that's a position of need, right? Not REACHING, but hey, these two guys are equal prospects, and we need a DE more than say...a WR. But NOW, we are in need of an OT or two really, and if the DE and OT are equal, you've really got to think about the OT as more of an area of need. And an area in which good veterans are very expensive.

OL in general, absolutely. but offensive TACKLE? I don't know.

Dude, we got a really talented OT in last years class in the 3rd and could easily add another like him on day 2 this year (for example Walker Little from Stanford).

OT is the deepest position in this draft class. There will probably be 15 selected in the first 2 days.

Hey, if that's the case I'm all about it.

It would come down, for me, at that point you trade up for someone. If there's a LT that you love that gets into the 20's, just trade up and grab him.

Yeah, this is a great OT class.

Guys like Abraham Lucas, Spencer Brown, Dillon Radunz, Walker Little would be sure-fire top 40 picks in a lot of drafts.

It’s why I’m good with DE/WR, still, at 32 (though I suspect the OT situation may work out there).

He was the Chiefs best left guard in 2019 by a wide margin and played his ass off against the Chargers in Week 17.

Veach got him for a reason and there's no way that Bill O'Brien's coaching staff got the best from him.

I think the inevitable run on T’s in the 1st will make it very difficult to take one at 31/32 unless we’re reaching for one of those guys.

Teven Jenkins and Vera-Tucker are two I could see slotting there at 32. Just depends on how the predraft workouts go.

I think KC’s best bet might be planning to sit at 32 but then move up from 64 to move to the mid-50s using some comp picks/future picks.

Take DE/WR at 32 and a T in the 50s.

The saints are in cap hell.

Would you trade 32 for armstead?

Nope. Last year of his contract so he'll be looking for a big extension.

610 said the Chiefs could save 16 million by cutting Fisher and Mitch.

I don’t see Vera-Tucker making it, and I think there will be a WR/DE there that I like more than Jenkins. I agree that a trade up in the 2nd would be our best bet.

If Veach believes there's a dire need he'll sell the farm to get it which would be in the 15-20 spot to get a LT

Cant cut an injured player.

The silverback to the rescue.

Can't they reach an injury settlement?

Even better for us. They'd take less in a trade knowing you had to sign him. That woudl be an easy trade.

32 for him, give him a big deal. Done.

I really like Leatherwood. Would he be ther in the 2nd?

O City wants to trade our 1st round pick!? I’m shocked!

LMAO

If we're picking after pick 30, I'm dealing that ****er every year!

Gotta keep up my rep.

I really hope they don't do that. We need all the cheap, drafted players we can get.

Trading 2 or 3 of them to get one player just isn't a good idea at this stage.

Yes.

Veach has shown he can get those cheap players later or as UDFA though.

LT is just so important for what KC does on offense. If they think there's a legit guy they love there, go get him.

It depends on how much they have to give up.

The team simply can't afford to give away 3 rookies to get 1 rookie - a bunch of UDFA's isn't always going to pan out. You need those mid-round picks and those are the ones you'd likely have to give up to trade up 10-12 spots in the first.

For a LT though, you wouldn't?

No, this team can't afford it.

Clark, Jones, Mahomes, HB. If they are lucky enough to get Fisher's massive contract off the books, maybe they can spend some of that on a FA LT.

But this team is going to be building primarily through the draft for the rest of Mahomes' career. Giving up multiple draft picks to get one player, regardless of position, isn't sustainable. We'll end up with holes everywhere, lack of depth, and inability to withstand injuries, which is one thing we can actually do right now.

LT is just such an important position, if you have to give up some role players for it, you do it. They can easily afford it if they hit another guy or two in the mid rounds etc.

As much as they throw the ball, they've gotta have a LT.

The Chiefs started the 2019 season at 5-3, which included a ridiculous 13-19 loss to the Colts and a really ridiculous 24-31 loss to the Texans, both at home and both fairly inexusable.

The starting left tackle for those initial 8 games of the season? Cam Erving.

The same Cam Erving, who was cut after winning the Super Bowl and could only get a Vet Minimum deal with the Cowboys in 2020.

Left tackle is important to any team but I think you've overstated the importance in this Chiefs offense, when a guy of Cam Erving's, um, caliber, can help a team win a Super Bowl.

I think we can agree they wouldn't have went on to actually win the SB with him there though. Fisher coming back was huge. They were significantly worse with Erving there, which is enough for me to see they need someone good there long term.

LMAO Yeah, thats a strange argument. I can distinctly remember Erving being a huge part of that Colts loss. Got pushed back into Mahomes so badly he stepped on his ankle and tweaked it again, and let Houston blow up our 4th down play to seal the game for the Colts.

Uh, Shady McCoy's fumble in Colts territory was the killer.

He also played LT when the Chiefs beat the Vikings at home and nearly beat the Packers, both with Matt Moore at QB.

My point wasn't that Cam Erving was even remotely special, but that Andy Reid can scheme around any offensive deficiencies.

No.

I don't agree.

There are many ways to get a tackle that don't require sacrificing at other positions.

Draft one at 32. Draft one at 32 AND at 64 if you think it's that much of a need.

This team has too many needs to be trading up from 32, for any postion, regardless of need.

Absolutely not. Unless we're getting Sewell