He’s highly motivated too; didn’t get to participate in the Philly playoff run a few years back.

Again, I’ll just trust Reid if he thinks he’s a good guy to bring in. We aren’t asking him to come in and start 19 games or anything. I think you look to add high value players however you can and at the veteran minimum given our tackle situation, he is probably a solid value option..

I look at it like when we grabbed Suggs for the stretch run; Peters is insurance for the early part of the season just in case Fisher can't go and Niang isn't ready. If either of those things don't happen, then he's the super sub.

Unfortunately, I believe this will be the case also, based on personal experience. Of course, everyone heals differently, but it took me 10 months to fully recover to the point where I did not favor my achilles. Of course I did not have access to the Specialists or rehab team that Fish will, but I was in very good shape at the time. No way I could I have pushed off it like he is going to have to do, virtually every time he steps on to the field. I'm no expert, or Dr., I'm just a guy who had the same type of surgery.

Peters only wants to play LT

Well, he's got the world's best doctors and trainers too.

I'm hopeful; but I think the team would be wise to have contingency plans.

Yep. And it looks like Peters is falling into their laps to do just that.

I've not seen that anywhere at all.

He got a pay raise to move back outside to LT last season from RG. But the team asked him to do so.

He's played everywhere on the line through his career.

If he wants a ring, I don't think he'll be able to make any demands like that, and he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy that would.

Well, the Chiefs have a need.

Exactly. We can't rely on peters to stay healthy a whole season. But he seems perfect to have a veteran presence who can fill in as needed. Ideally niang looks great and he wouldn't be needed at all. Seems way more valuable to overpay for 1 year of that than bring someone else in long term when we could have two excellent options by mid season.

Speaking of old Philly linemen, I was about to ask on Jason Kelce -

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Lulz at people thinking he'd come here for peanuts.

That's a lot of cash.

If Reiter thinks he’s getting even 75% of that they better be planning on moving Allegretti to center.

https://nflspinzone.com/wp-content/u...180893637.jpeg
I respect your football takes Pug.. But you’re out of your mind if you think a 39 year old Peters can block this guy or anyone close to him.. Peters will need a concealed weapon to aid him in his endeavor...

He’s coming here. Kind of shocks me how many people are against it after watching Remmers and Wylie get annihilated in the Super Bowl. Put him at either tackle spot and he’d hold his own drastically better than either of those chumps.

How many guys can block that guy well very consistently? That’s a tough ask.

Peters would be a fine stopgap — he’d just need to hold the fort awhile until Fisher is truly ready.

I wouldn’t trust just any rookie to be better than Peters in the first 4 weeks of the season.

Hes washed

Jason Peters started 8 games and is credited for 7.5 sacks allowed. In no way shape or form would he be a fine stop gap. He'll be a year older and coming off another season ending injury. He's a really
really bad player that Eagles fans are hoping retires just for his dignity at this point.

7.5 sacks allowed in 8 starts last year.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/p...d=7122&team=21

Yikes. That's really ****ing rough.

I really hope we don't continue trying to solve this problem by stacking our roster with broke****s and pray one can stay healthy.

Carl Lawson ****ing wrecked him in their game. That's where at least 3 of them came from.

Well we’ve got 2 injured veteran tackles in the last year of their deals taking up like $30 million in cap space. We have a veteran right guard coming back making big money who we basically can’t cut due to the backlash it would create no matter how he looks when he returns. We don’t have a lot of short term flexibility unfortunately.

I’m sure they’ll bring in some draft picks and they still have high hopes for Niang, but for next year we’re in a very tough spot.

Well since Mahomes got plenty of practice running for his life in the Super Bowl, it should not be a problem...

He also was protecting for a mentally broken QB who lost his confidence and started holding the ball for long periods of time.

Check this out: It's a really good breakdown that assigns "blame" on sacks. They drop Peters to "responsible" for 5 sacks.

There's also video of all the sack reps, so you can see Peters in action.

I wouldn't want to count on him for a full season by any means, but I can see utility in bringing him in on a cheap, no-risk deal to band-aid LT for the first 4-6 games of the year while either Fisher gets healthy, or Niang or a rookie draft pick gets up to speed to handle.

He's obviously not what he was, but he could be a good cheap option.

Backlash? WTF? The Chiefs can't cut LDT because of the Dead Cap hit.

You are ****ing clueless.

He's a washed up 39 year old man who should not be on the Chiefs "radar".

Good grief.

King doesn’t understand context and nuance.

All he does is post stats that support his stance and leave it at that.

There will be better options than an old, broken 39 year old once Free Agency begins.

Oh, I think there will.

I also think Peters is likely to sign on a deal that's so reasonable/low it doesn't even actually count towards the cap (similar to a lot of those vet deals they signed last summer).

If you watch tape of him from last year, you see a guy who is still massive, still has solid LT-quickness, and still can absolutely stone guys if he gets his hands on them.

Then what happens if Peters is playing well but Fisher is ready to return? Peters hasn't exactly been known as a great lockerroom guy. He got pissed off last year that he had to move from right guard to left tackle, then immediately demanded more money.

He also had toe surgery, which isn't a good sign for a starting tackle, let alone, a guy as old as Peters.

You tell him:

“Hi. Fisher is back and ready to play LT. We’d like to keep you in the lineup at (position) and also as our top insurance if he or Schwartz go down. Do you still want a ring”

And if he throws a fit, you release him.

Sure but even if you say some of them are because of Wentz, that's still a shit load of ****ing sacks in half a season. And he's still a 39 year old with major injuries the past few years.

So make the context better for me. Is he not a 39 year old oft injured player who allowed a shit load of sacks last year? Can you show me any person who thought he was playing well before being injured and out for the rest of the season?

Is 5 sacks in 8 games like the article Duncan linked really changing the context much?

Did you watch the tape?

There are three real WINS out of those five sacks they credit him with, 1 by Chase Young and 2 by Carl Lawson (who was a top 5-10 pass rusher in the league last year). The one by young, it actually looks like the RB chip helped young move through his spin to beat Peters back inside.

He’s got warts. But he would be a fairly low cost, practically no risk option for addressing an issue.

It’s a band aid that makes sense if you’re confident you 1) get Fisher back around midseason or 2) have a rookie T or Niang lined up to take over but need some seasoning.

If he's on the Week 1 roster, his salary is guaranteed for the entire season, so if he doesn't take Vet Minimum (and I assume he won't, given his stance in Philly last year), there's a Dead Cap charge as well.

Again, if they decide to go with a veteran in place of Fisher I think there will be much better options than old man Peters, especially coming off of toe surgery that ended his season in December.

I'm kind of with Dane on this one due to the toe surgery. But out of curiousity, what would the vet minumum be for Peters? Let's get real, we've seen what the duo of Remmers and Wylie did and that wasn't pretty. We have to have a servicable REAL T by opening day. Not a G that knows where the T lines up, a REAL T.

Told you guys Kelce wasn't going anywhere.

How many people can block him one on one? The expectations here are pretty unrealistic.

Yeah. I mean, peak Mitchell Schwartz can probably handle him 1x1. There aren't many T in the league who are going to hold up against him on an island without fail.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. Vet minimum for him would probably be something like 1.1 or 1.2 million, but if he signs for a deal where he isn't one of their top 51 salaries, there's no impact to the cap. If he DOES sign for a deal that puts him in the top 51 you'd be liable for dead money if cutting him... but that's money that's spent and under the cap already at that point.

He signed for 1 year, $3M last year. I can't see him getting that again. It will be less. If it's more than 1.5-2 with incentives that take it higher, I'm 100 percent out.

See above. I'm not saying it's THE plan. Just one potential way to approach it that COULD work or make sense.

He signed for 1 year 3 million to replace Brooks at G after his achilles injury. Once Dillard tore his bicep as well Peters strong armed more money out of the Eagles to replace him at LT.

yeah, a couple of posters here keep bringing this up as an example of being a bad locker room guy.

I mean, I don't see the big deal. If he's going to play the premium position on the line, he probably ought to be paid like it.

'strong-armed'? Says who? that makes it seem like a super confrontational thing when it more than likely was not.

I mean, yes, he's 39, yes he's been hurt a lot, and if you don't like the idea that's fine and I ain't mad about it. I just think for a guy you might need for a handful of games and will be dirt cheap you could do a whole lot worse.

But whatever.

When did I ever say it made him a 'bad locker room guy?' It's more to do with the fact that if you want him to play T, he's already made it clear by his actions previously that he's not exactly willing to do it for dirt cheap.

It's been brought up a couple of times. I didn't say you specifically.

And he'd signed for $3m to play guard. Moving to LT, he asked for a raise.

Here, it's his best chance for a ring which he says he's looking for. He also wouldn't be signing to be THE GUY, he'd be A guy.

I absolutely wouldn't give him a bunch of money. If that's what he's looking for, hard pass.

If he's cheap, and willing to be helpful as a fill-in/swing tackle/super-sub type guy, which I think is reasonable at his advanced age, then I'd take him on. You could do much worse.

Hard pass, but I’d understand.

I'm with you on this. I don't think it makes much sense.

hard pass / brokedick

It's a pretty big deal. Pederson didn't design an offense to Wentz and Wentz holds on to the ball way way too long because he's afraid to make the first throw these days. Reminds me of alex Smith when he was tentative to throw a guy open.

He's gonna be a little expensive. But not sure what LT people think we're gonna get that's cheap, capable of starting, and willing to take a one year contract and sit the bench when our starters get healthy. Any LT who can start is going to cost a fortune and expect a multiyear deal.

If you give every other LT the same excuses you guys are giving Peters, they'll all look better too. Peters still accounted for the most or 2nd most sacks allowed on his O-line in only 8 games. And all of them had to deal with Wentz and Peterson.

No one is going to give a 39 year old lineman with an injury history a multi-year contract unless they're crazy. How bad does he want a chance at a ring? We kind of hold the cards here.

Did you read the link/watch the videos within? I found them informative.

I wouldn't be cocky or anything about Peters and agree there are other options that would work better, but he still looks like an upgrade over starting the season with someone like Remmers holding down LT.

Injuries, age are understandable reasons as to why a signing like this may be questionable?

Maybe such a circumstance or situation could be indicative of him being a role player on a good team like ours?

With that being said, he could be a good backup provided if he is willing to accept that role. Chiefs could use some depth on the oline. We know that from what we saw in the superbowl.
If I were the Chiefs I would be open to signing Peters if it means we could solidify the depth along the oline. Why not.

Yeah I watched the video and read it. I agree with all the sacks they assigned him. Only borderline one was the chip one and I agree that Peters shouldn't have been protecting that far outside knowing he had help there anyway.

He still gave up a bunch of sacks in only 8 games. He still suffered a season ending injury and he's still 39. I don't know what part about him screams that he'd be reliable if/when Fisher comes back.

And just because he's be better than Remmers at LT isn't really a great point. Remmers played probably the worst game I've ever seen a tackle play.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2017/...ve-tackles-nfl
Good article in 2017 about the age wall left tackles hit after around age 32.. I’m not in favor of signing Peters even for a few games.. A rookie or younger player would at least get in the way some of pass rushers.. Peters will be beat right off the snap..
Sorry can’t embed on my phone..

Nobody would be thrilled about having to start Peters at LT. We all wish there were far better realistic options. The truth is, there’s not.

The thing people like King that are clueless about the NFL don’t understand is that:

1. OL play around the entire NFL is down.

2. The Chiefs won’t have much cap space even after restructures and extensions.

3. There aren’t many cheap options in free agency that can be a temporary fix at LT.

4. The likelihood of a day 1 LT being available at 31 is also very slim.

5. Peters, even at age 39, is a far better option than a Remmers or Erving at LT.

6. The rest of the OL should be much better than the SB and the Eagles last year.

If the Chiefs signed Peters, we’d all be hoping that Fisher would be ready week 1 and Peters becomes insurance. Hell, we’d also be hoping that Niang could beat him out if Fisher wasn’t ready.

Erving was a better tackle than Peters was the past two years. Even if we blame the system and QB it's not like Erving was playing with a great QB or system last year in dallas and he allowed 0 sacks in the 5 games he started. I think it's kind of funny how much you guys are understating how bad Peters was. 7.5 sacks, 5 sacks, 3 sacks. Whatever amount of sacks you want to assign him in 8 starts is terrible.

Imagine being this ****ing clueless LMAO

Your football knowledge or lack thereof is priceless

How was he not?

I watched enough Cowboys and Eagles games to know how stupid that ****ing take is. I don’t care about the stats. I watch a lot of football and I trust my eyes.

Even the idiots at PFF could see the difference. That’s how ****ing clueless you are.

You’re literally the only person that would say this.

Eagles fans want nothing to do with Peters next year. But yeah I guess you know more than them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OT Jason Peters on <a href="https://twitter.com/gmfb?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@gmfb</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> on free agency: &quot;I still got something in the tank. I can definitely show the young guys how to play the game of football.&quot;</p>&mdash; Will Selva (@WillSelvaTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillSelvaTV/status/1367484901709258758?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> read the replies to that tweet

Read the comments in these threads
https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comm...on_free_agency

https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comm...g_6abc_he_will

But yeah bro. You know it all and watched it all. We know.

What does any of that have to do with Cam Erving you dumb ****?

I’ve already said that I would not be thrilled about having to start Peters at LT. Nobody would. Maybe read my ****ing original post and it might get through that head of yours.

What would YOU do about a short term answer at LT until Fisher gets healthy?

You’ve already claimed Erving is better, who’s a free agent as well I believe, so I’m very curious to hear what your solution to this problem would be because I’m certain it’s either going to be laughable or unrealistic.

Kind of like how chiefs fans ripped on fisher... Until he got hurt and they realized he was actually good. And cam Erving is a good example of why OL stats are misleading. Dallas had one of the worst OLs in the league without Zack Martin. Their entire strategy was built around getting the ball out of Daltons hands in 1 second before he shits his pants.

Of course peters is nowhere near what he used to be. But again, what we need is insurance if at all and not sure what LT selection you think would actually be available. Is peters good enough to plug in a few games if needed... The numbers don't scare me. And they'll look a hell of a lot different with Mahomes, CEH, and Reid.

Wait what? Who has ripped on Fisher the past few years? Please show me one thread the past few years where the consensus wasn't that Fisher is at worst case a solid tackle.

Anyone that's not Jason Peters is my solution. Literally anyone. Even you.

Wow thanks for proving my point that you’re completely clueless!

You realize not having a plan doesn't mean you cant disqualify terrible plans right? I don't know or have studied all the tackles in free agency but I do know a 39 year old injury prone tackle who was terrible and who has his owns fans wishing he'd retire isn't a good solution.

Fisher is actually a very good tackle who got ripped on for being average... Until he got hurt and people realized he was important. Peters is a serviceable tackle who gets ripped on for being totally terrible. The point is that emotional fans are not the best judge at this stuff.

For years fisher took a lot of heat, just like peters, for pressures and sacks from a qb who held on to the ball way too long.

Stats and Eagles fans on the internet. The be all end all for player evaluation and personnel decision making!

Coming up with a better plan doesn’t require you to “study” all the tackles in free agency.

The list of free agent LT’s is incredibly short to start. It would take 2 minutes to look at the list and come away with the conclusion that unfortunately Peters might be the best we can do, or at the very least, there aren’t any options that are clearly better.

“Not having a plan doesn’t mean you can’t disqualify terrible plans”, but it goes to show that you have no ****ing clue about OL play around the NFL, what’s available, and how Peters compares to other cheap/realistic options. Like I said, you saw that Peters gave up 8 sacks, with no context/nuance, and you’ve already decided that “anybody” would be better.

Peters still managed to come away with a 67.6 grade according to PFF. I know it’s PFF, but you can’t be SO bad that literally “anybody” would be better if you have a good grade according to them. It doesn’t work like that. Peters is clearly not the player he was, but he’s STILL a better short term option at LT than the Remmers or Erving’s of the world.

Actually I saw that Eagles fans hated the thought of him coming back and then I saw that he gave up 7.5 sacks on only half a season.

What makes you think he's serviceable?

ALL OF DAT. ALL OF IT.

Deciding to count on a rookie (either Niang or a draftee) to hold down the position seems foolhardy. They need to invest in a swing tackle and that swing tackle is likely going to start at LT for at least 4-6 games.

Here are the available left tackles:

Trent Williams (would require a long-term commitment at big money)

Russell Okung (might still have a bit in the tank but even a one-year deal is going to command a big salary)

Alejandro Villanueva (same as Okung, but likely will get 2-3 year deal)

Cam Robinson (it's his second contract, would require multiple years and be expensive)

Looking at that group, Okung and Beachum seem like better options than Peters, but they're likely to cost a bit more.
Kelvin Beachum (This is an option i like. He's 32, and very solid in pass protection. Likely going to command a mid-size deal.

Beyond that, you're into Remmers territory.

Yep.

There's not going to be a ton of options. It is what it is.