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KC_Connection 02-08-2021 11:25 AM
Everyone who watched the game knows the bullshit that was the 1st half of that thing. There's a reason you even had the CBS panel saying it without saying it at halftime. It was the most obvious Brady ref show in his entire 20 year career, which is saying a lot.

Now you can certainly say the Chiefs might not have won anyway as badly as their line was outclassed, but the Bucs undeniably had 14 points gifted to them by the refs. Arguably more. Mahomes has overcome a lot in his short career, but there's just no coming back from that against a team as good as Tampa was.

Pants 02-08-2021 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15538269)
I really wish there was an overhead shot of this to see exactly where he was lined up. He may be in the neutral zone, but for crying out loud he's looking directly at the ball. How is he lined up wrong?

There were four game-changing calls in the first half that completely altered the outcome.

There was the completely wrong call against Breeland that resulted in a touchdown for the other team. There's zero doubt that the call was wrong. It's a bright line. It was not a penalty according to the NFL rulebook. I can see where the official could have screwed up honestly, though. When I saw the play live it looked like Breeland was beat and tackled the guy. That's not at all what happened, but since the official on that side of the field is not the top of the profession, I can see an honest mistake happening.

There was the neutral zone call above. It's frustrating that the same official only seems to see neutral zone violations on key plays. Maybe Mecole is over the line, because Mecole played pretty much the worst Super Bowl game ever played.

There was the call that negated Matthieu's interception and cost the Chiefs a possession. I need to see that one again to make a judgment on whether it was a legit call that would have been called on other plays.

There was the call in the end zone on Matthieu. Did that one result in a score or was that the goal line stand? Either way, I think most reasonable people didn't see contact that was worthy of a penalty.

It would be nice to figure out which officials made those specific calls. Was there a pattern in one official making all of the questionable calls? We know this officiating group is not the best in the league and they were there for reasons unrelated to their performance, but how weak are they as a group?

That said, the Chiefs were not good yesterday. They dropped two touchdown passes that would have made them competitive and probably had less than a 50 percent chance of winning on their own merits. But it would have been nice if they weren't down 20 points early because of the above four calls to give them that chance.
Oh, for sure. No doubt about it. At half time, I was saying that was the single most referee-affected game I had ever seen.

Mecca 02-08-2021 11:29 AM
The Chiefs had an uphill battle in a fairly called game, the NFL decided they wanted to leave no doubt. This was about their boy being established as irreplaceable, no one else ever mentioned as GOAT.

KC_Connection 02-08-2021 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15538212)
I love how people keep saying we only scored 9 pts like the officiating didn’t impact our offense.

If we aren’t down multiple scores, we could have run the ball a lot more which was clearly working. They found something there, but they weren’t able to fully exploit it because they were down too much.

They took away our ability to constantly do the one thing we were doing well offensively last night.
Yep. Have been saying it since last night. When we're royally ****ed by the refs and fall behind two touchdowns at halftime, it changes virtually everything on the offensive end for us.

gold_and_red 02-08-2021 11:30 AM
Consistency or lack thereof. Can't let them play in the CCGs and suddenly call ticky tacky stuff in the SB. Did not see egregious fouls by the Chiefs D on the DPIs. If they hadn't been called nobody would have broken a sweat, hardly noticeable.

ShowtimeSBMVP 02-08-2021 11:31 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the obligatory disclaimer that “I’m not blaming this loss on the officials”, let me report that the Chiefs had 10+ penalties in just 5 of their 18 games. <br><br>Three of those five were with Carl Cheffers’s crew. Those were the only Chiefs game they did.<br><br>Cheffers 3/3<br>Others 2/15 <a href="https://t.co/NKMkJUZ4z7">pic.twitter.com/NKMkJUZ4z7</a></p>&mdash; Kurtis Seaboldt (@KSeaboldt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KSeaboldt/status/1358829330105827329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KC_Connection 02-08-2021 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15538354)
The Chiefs had an uphill battle in a fairly called game, the NFL decided they wanted to leave no doubt. This was about their boy being established as irreplaceable, no one else ever mentioned as GOAT.
It was my primary fear going into the game (even more than the offensive line in shambles) and it was why I was hoping hard that Rodgers (an undeniably better QB than Brady at this point in their careers and honestly for the majority of their careers) would pull that game out. Of course Brady got his DPI call at the end of that one too and that was that.

staylor26 02-08-2021 11:33 AM
I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the Bucs had more beneficial PI yards than any team in 12+ years.

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that a PI call helped the Bucs seal the win against GB.

RunKC 02-08-2021 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15538212)
I love how people keep saying we only scored 9 pts like the officiating didn’t impact our offense.

If we aren’t down multiple scores, we could have run the ball a lot more which was clearly working. They found something there, but they weren’t able to fully exploit it because they were down too much.

They took away our ability to constantly do the one thing we were doing well offensively last night.
We beat ourselves too. I counted 3 passes that either hit our hands or the face mask and were dropped.

Kelce had one that killed a drive, Tyreek should have had a Td but dropped it and the miraculous Patrick pass that hit Darrel Williams in the face at the goal line.

Refs sucked but we didn’t help ourselves either

staylor26 02-08-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15538383)
We beat ourselves too. I counted 3 passes that either hit our hands or the face mask and were dropped.

Kelce had one that killed a drive, Tyreek should have had a Td but dropped it and the miraculous Patrick pass that hit Darrel Williams in the face at the goal line.

Refs sucked but we didn’t help ourselves either
I don’t disagree.

But it’s not as simple as “they only scored 9 pts., so they would’ve lost anyways”.

The officiating changed the dynamic of the game so much that it’s impossible to say what would’ve happened.

CaliChief83 02-08-2021 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 15538269)
I really wish there was an overhead shot of this to see exactly where he was lined up. He may be in the neutral zone, but for crying out loud he's looking directly at the ball. How is he lined up wrong?

There were four game-changing calls in the first half that completely altered the outcome.

There was the completely wrong call against Breeland that resulted in a touchdown for the other team. There's zero doubt that the call was wrong. It's a bright line. It was not a penalty according to the NFL rulebook. I can see where the official could have screwed up honestly, though. When I saw the play live it looked like Breeland was beat and tackled the guy. That's not at all what happened, but since the official on that side of the field is not the top of the profession, I can see an honest mistake happening.

There was the neutral zone call above. It's frustrating that the same official only seems to see neutral zone violations on key plays. Maybe Mecole is over the line, because Mecole played pretty much the worst Super Bowl game ever played.

There was the call that negated Matthieu's interception and cost the Chiefs a possession. I need to see that one again to make a judgment on whether it was a legit call that would have been called on other plays.

There was the call in the end zone on Matthieu. Did that one result in a score or was that the goal line stand? Either way, I think most reasonable people didn't see contact that was worthy of a penalty.

It would be nice to figure out which officials made those specific calls. Was there a pattern in one official making all of the questionable calls? We know this officiating group is not the best in the league and they were there for reasons unrelated to their performance, but how weak are they as a group?

That said, the Chiefs were not good yesterday. They dropped two touchdown passes that would have made them competitive and probably had less than a 50 percent chance of winning on their own merits. But it would have been nice if they weren't down 20 points early because of the above four calls to give them that chance.
They said there was over 100 cameras for the game. You're telling me we couldn't get one shot of down the line. Come on

Sassy Squatch 02-08-2021 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15538388)
I don’t disagree.

But it’s not as simple as “they only scored 9 pts., so they would’ve lost anyways”.

The officiating changed the dynamic of the game so much that it’s impossible to say what would’ve happened.
Nope. Fully confident the game doesn't change all that much. They got pressure on over 50% of our drop backs while only rushing 4 a vast majority of the time and our receivers dropped a good portion of the balls Mahomes manages to get to them.

Being down 15 at half isn't an insurmountable task, especially for this offense. But when we came out and kicked a FG to start and they scored a TD that's when it became clear we were in some deep ****ing shit.

staylor26 02-08-2021 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15538405)
Nope. Fully confident the game doesn't change all that much. They got pressure on over 50% of our drop backs while only rushing 4 a vast majority of the time and our receivers dropped a good portion of the balls Mahomes manages to get to them.

Being down 15 at half isn't an insurmountable task, especially for this offense. But when we came out and kicked a FG to start and they scored a TD that's when it became clear we were in some deep ****ing shit.
You’re missing the point that the refs put the game out of reach by completely taking away the one thing we were doing well last night, running the football.

Sassy Squatch 02-08-2021 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15538412)
You’re missing the point that the refs put the game out of reach by completely taking away the one thing we were doing well last night, running the football.
They didn't. That's complete horse shit. If you're completely abandoning the run while only being down two possessions at half that's on the coaching.

Dbag 02-08-2021 11:46 AM
Tampa Bay has seen a lifetime of crappy calls and unfortunate breaks. There will be no apologizing for yellow flags, homefield advantage or substitute tackles on Kansas City’s offensive line.

staylor26 02-08-2021 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15538415)
They didn't. That's complete horse shit. If you're completely abandoning the run while only being down two possessions at half that's on the coaching.
Lol ok.

They didn’t completely abandon it, but there’s no way you can tell me they wouldn’t have run the ball a lot more if they weren’t down multiple scores.

This is common sense.

RunKC 02-08-2021 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15538412)
You’re missing the point that the refs put the game out of reach by completely taking away the one thing we were doing well last night, running the football.
No man. As much as it pains me to say this, Andy put the game out of reach at the end of the first half

Sassy Squatch 02-08-2021 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15538423)
Lol ok.

They didn’t completely abandon it, but there’s no way you can tell me they wouldn’t have run the ball a lot more if they weren’t down multiple scores.

This is common sense.
And being down multiple scores was on the Chiefs stupidity, not the refs. Hardman is the one that lined up a damn near full yard offsides on a 4th and 5. Reid is the one who gave them an extra possession to score another TD to end the half with his ridiculous timeouts.

stevieray 02-08-2021 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dbag (Post 15538416)
Tampa Bay has seen a lifetime of crappy calls and unfortunate breaks. There will be no apologizing for yellow flags, homefield advantage or substitute tackles on Kansas City’s offensive line.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Sassy Squatch 02-08-2021 11:54 AM
You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.

Bearcat 02-08-2021 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 15538206)
I agree the officiating wasn't good, but it was magnified by ineptitude of the Chiefs. Of course a penalty is going to seem worse when the team has spent the entire game shitting down its own leg. The Chiefs embarrassed themselves.
Yeah, but go into halftime at 14-6 or possibly even better and then they still kick the FG to make it 14-9 (or better) and the whole dynamic of the game changes.... I mean, it's not like the Bucs' offense was amazing either in the first half, and the first quarter+ was actually kind of great to watch in the sense that you knew it would be a dog fight, until the Bucs were gifted so many times (and I don’t even care so much about the first retaliation unsportsmanlike conduct, they should know better anyway).

And like I said, they probably still lose, but I hope the NFL takes all the shit it deserves (not that it matters in terms of future officiating bullshit).

ChiTown 02-08-2021 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15538448)
You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.
There were far too many wtf moments to suggest it didn't have a significant impact. I've never seen this team, with PMII as QB, lack the sort of focus we had for an entire game. A qtr, maybe a half, but NEVER for a full game - not like this.

Easy 6 02-08-2021 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15538448)
You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.
Now this I agree with you about, it clearly put a dark cloud over our heads

TripleThreat 02-08-2021 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15538431)
No man. As much as it pains me to say this, Andy put the game out of reach at the end of the first half
That score before half really was a gut puncher...

Game was close, Then we started calling time outs with 50 seconds to go on a short third down.

Tampa scores a TD
HalfTime
We score a FG
Tampa scores another TD


This sequence of events right here put the game out of reach because Tampas defense was playing really well and any time Tampa got the ball they just somehow managed to eat up clock and before we knew it, we were half way into the 4th.

staylor26 02-08-2021 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15538434)
And being down multiple scores was on the Chiefs stupidity, not the refs. Hardman is the one that lined up a damn near full yard offsides on a 4th and 5. Reid is the one who gave them an extra possession to score another TD to end the half with his ridiculous timeouts.
Complete and utter ****ing bullshit. You want to blame it on both? You won’t find me disagreeing there, but to say the refs had nothing to do with it? Totally ridiculous.

Mecca 02-08-2021 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliChief83 (Post 15538398)
They said there was over 100 cameras for the game. You're telling me we couldn't get one shot of down the line. Come on
That's on purpose.

stevieray 02-08-2021 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 15538457)
There were far too many wtf moments to suggest it didn't have a significant impact. I've never seen this team, with PMII as QB, lack the sort of focus we had for an entire game. A qtr, maybe a half, but NEVER for a full game - not like this.
They've averaged 30 pts a game and put up 9.

And just like some of the fans here, most likely a finger gets pointed at Andy by the some of the players. ( at least in their head)

They were mentally handicapped.

A little girl is fighting for her life.

You can't stop human nature.

notorious 02-08-2021 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 15538508)
They've averaged 30 pts a game and put up 9.

And just like some of the fans here, most likely a finger gets pointed at Andy by the some of the players. ( at least in their head)

They were mentally handicapped.

A little girl is fighting for her life.

You can't stop human nature.
This is the reality.

There is no way it didn't affect them.

Sorry 02-08-2021 12:15 PM
That’s funny. Y’all weren’t saying that when the refs helped you in the other super bowl

RunKC 02-08-2021 12:15 PM
We did get ****ed by the refs but it was 14-6. We made it through the storm and Brady was just ready to go to the locker room.

Then Andy made a huge mistake and they got a TD.

It would have been 14-9 after our first possession of the 2nd half of not for that error.

staylor26 02-08-2021 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15538521)
We did get ****ed by the refs but it was 14-6. We made it through the storm and Brady was just ready to go to the locker room.

Then Andy made a huge mistake and they got a TD.

It would have been 14-9 after our first possession of the 2nd half of not for that error.
You’re right, but it also would’ve only been 17-9 if it weren’t for the one sided officiating too.

BlackOp 02-08-2021 12:34 PM
NFL is dead to me...I'm not wasting another year following a team just so the officials can hand another trophy to Brady.

Two decades of this shit is enough...and two of the past three years in Mahomes case.

I might start caring when he retires...when/if it becomes a sport again...starting to wonder if it ever really was and I was just too young to notice.

It's like the NFL is just trolling it's own supporters...nobody cares about Brady anymore except NE hanger ons and the 20 or so Buc fans. The Bobble-heads try to make it seem like everyone is still enamored in watching him play... and getting gifted SB titles.

He's not Micheal Jordan and never will be in the same stratosphere....people are only watching him because there is no other choice. He's not this transcendent talent...People loved Jordan because he was actually better than everyone else.

I had a bad feeling at the end of the Packers game...actually when I first learned Clete was officiating that game.

I'm not interested in the game drama being directly tied to if and when officials will bail him out every year.

Last night was ridiculous...and insulting to anyone who has followed this game for more than 10 years. I didn't watch the Rams/Patriots SB...and tuned out of this one in the 3rd.

Learning Tampa had the most PI calls in history this season.. then sets a SB record for 1st down penalties the same year is the final nail...the cancer keeps spreading... and has finally consumed the host.

Tom Brady's 7 rings arent a symbol of athletic greatness...they are a symbolic of corporate greed/corruption.

stumppy 02-08-2021 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15538448)
You'll never convince me that Britt Reid didn't **** the Chiefs mentally last night. There was a lack of focus all over the field from players and coaches alike and their demeanor was piss poor.
What? You think the players and coaches on this team are a bunch of mental midgets? You think they were unable to do their job because of Britt Reid? Get the **** out. The biggest game of their lives and you're saying a ****ing position coach getting in trouble holds so much sway over this team that none of them could stay focused on THE BIGGEST GAME IN THEIR LIVES?
Bullshit!

Mecca 02-08-2021 01:12 PM
You could tell by the teams body language they didn't think they were going to be allowed to win.

KChiefs1 02-08-2021 01:15 PM
Refs made the game unwatchable.

The AFC & NFC championship games were reffed better.

Mecca 02-08-2021 01:19 PM
The Superbowl crew was an ass crew that didn't deserve the game. But because ba woman was on it they got the game.

KC_Connection 02-08-2021 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15538679)
You could tell by the teams body language they didn't think they were going to be allowed to win.
The defense stopped playing at the same level of physicality in the 2nd half because they knew they couldn't get away with it any longer. Of course they had been playing with that same level of physicality against the Browns and Bills without getting penalized.

I wonder what the difference was this time.

Mecca 02-08-2021 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15538709)
The defense stopped playing at the same level of physicality in the 2nd half because they knew they couldn't get away with it any longer. Of course they had been playing with that same level of physicality against the Browns and Bills without getting penalized.

I wonder what the difference was this time.
Yet at the same time everyone is sucking Levonte David's dick for being physical with Kelce, it's a great double standard.

The Franchise 02-08-2021 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15538709)
The defense stopped playing at the same level of physicality in the 2nd half because they knew they couldn't get away with it any longer. Of course they had been playing with that same level of physicality against the Browns and Bills without getting penalized.

I wonder what the difference was this time.
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15538713)
Yet at the same time everyone is sucking Levonte David's dick for being physical with Kelce, it's a great double standard.
Yep. And it put the game out of reach which allowed Tampa Bay to just run it down our throats. No pass rush is going to happen with that.

We still beat ourselves on offense but **** man. That first half was complete bullshit.

RunKC 02-08-2021 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 15538566)
NFL is dead to me...I'm not wasting another year.
Lmao yes you will. You bring this up and talk about this literally every season.

The NFL owns your ass

displacedinMN 02-08-2021 01:39 PM
#investigatecarlcheffers

Mecca 02-08-2021 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15538739)
Lmao yes you will. You bring this up and talk about this literally every season.

The NFL owns your ass
To be fair we should care less, it's a show.

BlackOp 02-08-2021 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15538739)
Lmao yes you will. You bring this up and talk about this literally every season.

The NFL owns your ass
Nope..I've been done for awhile

Chiefs won a SB in my lifetime...and after being indoctrinated into fandom 40+ years ago..it's all I wanted.

I dont care about a dynasty or GOAT talk...that's for meatheads to argue over.

Mahomes was the only reason I was even still paying attention...had he been average...I would have already been gone.

This is entertainment/corporate marketing not sport...so there is no reason for me to continue investing any energy in following it...keeps getting dumber and dumber every year too...

Tribal Warfare 02-08-2021 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 15538668)
What? You think the players and coaches on this team are a bunch of mental midgets? You think they were unable to do their job because of Britt Reid? Get the **** out. The biggest game of their lives and you're saying a ****ing position coach getting in trouble holds so much sway over this team that none of them could stay focused on THE BIGGEST GAME IN THEIR LIVES?
Bullshit!
It was ****ing with Andy, Bieniemy called most of the plays in the 2nd half with Andy going into a PTSD thousand yard stare.

TEX 02-08-2021 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15538713)
Yet at the same time everyone is sucking Levonte David's dick for being physical with Kelce, it's a great double standard.
Nailed it! KC was NOT allowed to play physical, but TB was.

suzzer99 02-08-2021 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15538383)
We beat ourselves too. I counted 3 passes that either hit our hands or the face mask and were dropped.

Kelce had one that killed a drive, Tyreek should have had a Td but dropped it and the miraculous Patrick pass that hit Darrel Williams in the face at the goal line.

Refs sucked but we didn’t help ourselves either
Pretty much every one of those dropped passes though either had hands in their face or someone draped on them. Still should catch it - but TB's defense made the catches a lot tougher.

tmax63 02-08-2021 02:35 PM
It was a game the 1st 2 series then the flags came out and let KC know they couldn't play defense the way they had all year. They kept the flags in their pockets for TB. After that it was basically over.

suzzer99 02-08-2021 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 15538857)
Nailed it! KC was NOT allowed to play physical, but TB was.
TB's pass rush was so dominant, their DBs knew they didn't have to grab. So calling the secondary play super tight was a huge benefit to TB.

There's no way the NFL wanted to see a blowout like this - one of the most boring SBs ever. Unless Brady literally has compromat on Goodell, that's silly to even think.

I do think they were worried about the Chiefs blowing out the Bucs like the first meeting. So the refs were directed to deliberately skew their pregame "points of emphasis" or whatever they call it - to call the game tight. The unpsoken part is that this is to level the playing field and hopefully get a great game with crazy Mahomes magic. I fully believe the NFL tries to nudge games like this to get exciting outcomes - see the Rams Monday night game. I don't think they ever say it out loud though.

Unfortunately all they did here was tip the playing field completely out of reach for us.

KChiefs1 02-08-2021 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 15538901)
It was a game the 1st 2 series then the flags came out and let KC know they couldn't play defense the way they had all year. They kept the flags in their pockets for TB. After that it was basically over.

Agreed

Sassy Squatch 02-08-2021 03:52 PM
LMAO Tampa Bay scored 10 points in the second half. That's it. The offense failed to do anything all game and that's why we lost. Period

GoChargers 02-08-2021 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15538688)
Refs made the game unwatchable.

The AFC & NFC championship games were reffed better.
The NFC title game was just as much of a farce as the Super Bowl. Same story there, the league didn't want an actual GOAT contender to beat their manufactured "GOAT." So the Bucs' defense was allowed to do whatever they wanted all game (for example, the blatant hold that Murphy-Bunting got away with late in the first half that led to a Rodgers interception) and then Brady got a clutch bullshit PI call to seal the win.

dlphg9 02-08-2021 04:35 PM
Cheffers officiated 2 other games for us. 9/20 against the Chargers and 11/22 against the Raiders.

9/20 - 11 penalties for 90 yds
11/22 - 10 penalties for 89 yds

He also officiated the January 2017 Pitt loss with the Fisher hold on the 2 point conversion.

The 2nd quarter alone last night we were flagged for 90 yards. The most ever in a single quarter of a SB game and the most in a single quarter of an NFL game since week 1 of 2018.

Last night was a ****ing joke and now all I get to see, read, or hear about is how great Brady is and how no one will ever be better.

staylor26 02-08-2021 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 15539221)
Cheffers officiated 2 other games for us. 9/20 against the Chargers and 11/22 against the Raiders.

9/20 - 11 penalties for 90 yds
11/22 - 10 penalties for 89 yds

He also officiated the January 2017 Pitt loss with the Fisher hold on the 2 point conversion.

The 2nd quarter alone last night we were flagged for 90 yards. The most ever in a single quarter of a SB game and the most in a single quarter of an NFL game since week 1 of 2018.

Last night was a ****ing joke and now all I get to see, read, or hear about is how great Brady is and how no one will ever be better.
It’s all a coincidence.

Just like the Bucs being the beneficiaries of the most PI yards in 12+ years.

Just like the Bucs getting a beneficial PI call to help win the NFCCG game when they were letting the Bucs corners mug GB’s receivers all game.

It’s all a coincidence.

threebag 02-08-2021 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 15537623)
The Bucs defense beat the shit out of our backup O line. It sucks but I’m not gonna blame the refs for that.
This is where I’m at, now load up and let’s go again. It’s a great time the Chiefs other than the social shit the league wants to shove down everyone’s throats.

GoChargers 02-08-2021 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15539235)
It’s all a coincidence.

Just like the Bucs being the beneficiaries of the most PI yards in 12+ years.

Just like the Bucs getting a beneficial PI call to help win the NFCCG game when they were letting the Bucs corners mug GB’s receivers all game.

It’s all a coincidence.
Jameis Winston was probably watching the game and wondering where all these refs were last season.

staylor26 02-08-2021 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 15539375)
Jameis Winston was probably watching the game and wondering where all these refs were last season.
Absolutely.

“If all I had to do n 3rd down was overthrow my WR where nobody else can get it and wait for the flag I wouldn’t have thrown 30 INT’s!”

Bugeater 02-08-2021 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 15538745)
To be fair we should care less, it's a show.
Yep. It's not worth an emotional investment.

KC_Connection 02-08-2021 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15539235)
It’s all a coincidence.

Just like the Bucs being the beneficiaries of the most PI yards in 12+ years.

Just like the Bucs getting a beneficial PI call to help win the NFCCG game when they were letting the Bucs corners mug GB’s receivers all game.

It’s all a coincidence.
Going into the game, Brady had the most DPI calls (23) in a single season in the history of the NFL this year. Also a coincidence I'm sure.

dlphg9 02-08-2021 07:04 PM
Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

crayzkirk 02-08-2021 07:53 PM
Well, at least I won't be buying any SB Merchandise this year...

Can't we just blame Trump? I mean, isn't he the cause of everything bad now?

dlphg9 02-08-2021 08:59 PM
I hate the NFL and Tom Brady. Fake legacy cheating scum.

ShortRoundChief 02-08-2021 09:01 PM
There were calls that were made that I didn't agree with and calls that I did agree with. I defer to my "Remember the Titans" speech. We did not/could not do that to them.

We came in 2nd instead of 1st. It hurts but it beats the shit out of 16th every year.

Megatron96 02-08-2021 09:25 PM
I watched every playoff game this season and last. The refs allowed both teams to play "playoff-style" defense in every game, but this one. We also watched the refs put their heads together on nearly every questionable call throughout the regular season and playoffs and mostly they got the calls right, but not in the SB.

In LV, flags were thrown, at least twice were egregiously bad calls, and there was no discussion, barely a replay, and even the commentators were curiously silent. Did they even try to get the TV ref to explain any of them? I don't recall that either, and during the regular season they were quick to have Steratore or whoever explain what we were seeing.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, especially as it concerns the NFL, but it was very curious that the refs chose those plays, in those moments to suddenly decide it was week 1, instead of the Super Bowl.

Bearcat 02-08-2021 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15539807)

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, especially as it concerns the NFL, but it was very curious that the refs chose those plays, in those moments to suddenly decide it was week 1, instead of the Super Bowl.
I never did before last night, even though if they wanted TB to win, they certainly didn't have to make it that ****ing obvious. It was almost like Brady himself was mocking the entire thing, knowing he'd get the calls, because the NFL itself didn't need to hand the Patriots 5 first downs on such obvious bullshit calls to steer that game.

But one thing that's always been curious is there's seemingly never anything to fix. It's not like the NFL has to publicly fine refs or whatever.... but, like with the Rams/Saints crew that went on to officiate the SB that year, it's just a terrible look.

And shit like last night should be fire-able, really.

On top of that, I'd love to see leagues in general simply have a 'ref' in the booth who can quickly make things right.... I've always hated the whole "not reviewable" thing, either because it wasn't specifically a reviewable thing (example, a puck bounced off the net once and landed on the back of Jonathan Quick and went in the net, and they called it a goal because it wasn't reviewable at the time) or because it's subjective by nature.

And on top of on top of that, you have refs on the field using freakin' iPads in tents and bullshit when people at home have watched 10 replays with 6 angles before they even get that shit setup.

Just put someone in the ****ing booth to call down and say, hey dildos, there's obviously nothing there. Doesn't have to be every single play broken down into slow-mo with 10 different cameras... just the most obvious stuff in real time.

Showing zero desire to fix that crap just gives them an even worse look in the whole thing.

Megatron96 02-08-2021 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15539841)
I never did before last night, even though if they wanted TB to win, they certainly didn't have to make it that ****ing obvious. It was almost like Brady himself was mocking the entire thing, knowing he'd get the calls, because the NFL itself didn't need to hand the Patriots 5 first downs on such obvious bullshit calls to steer that game.

But one thing that's always been curious is there's seemingly never anything to fix. It's not like the NFL has to publicly fine refs or whatever.... but, like with the Rams/Saints crew that went on to officiate the SB that year, it's just a terrible look.

And shit like last night should be fire-able, really.
Seriously. It wasn't like TB needed that much help. Our OL was obviously completely outmatched on the edges, which was my only fear going into the game. And unfortunately I was completely right. Remmers and Wylie didn't hold up at all; they were going backwards so fast on many of those snaps you'd have thought they were wearing roller skates. They were so overmatched I doubt that we would've found a way to win even if the refs hadn't decided to treat the game as a preseason live practice. But when they not only took away our DBs ability to play their brand of defense at all, and curiously didn't throw any flags at their DBs/LBs, they effectively eliminated any chance for KC to even make a game of it.

And I just have to question why it was necessary at all. Why change the way they officiated this game? They could've just pulled that shit when we played CLE or BUF.

Just doesn't make any sense.

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dlphg9 02-09-2021 01:39 AM
God damn Penbrook. Get that dumb shit out of my thread. You worthless bag of shit.

UK_Chief 02-09-2021 03:43 AM
Watching the presser, it’s pretty obvious Andy blames the refs. Pat looked broken in his, hope the guy shakes it off, seems like he’s blaming himself

IowaHawkeyeChief 02-09-2021 06:54 AM
Todd Bowles said their goal was to take away PMII's first read as the pressure could get to him. In rewatching the game last night, our receivers were being held/illegal contact all night. Yes, are Oline was atrocious, but them only calling it close on one side made it damn near impossible. That's what folks are not getting...

Coochie liquor 02-09-2021 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 15540089)
Watching the presser, it’s pretty obvious Andy blames the refs. Pat looked broken in his, hope the guy shakes it off, seems like he’s blaming himself
If we know anything about Mahomes, it’s that he’ll come back even more ready to prove the doubters wrong.

whats good 02-09-2021 08:07 AM
LOL @ blaming the refs.....

How do you go to the super bowl and not even score a touchdown?

Srs question

MahomesMagic 02-09-2021 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by whats good (Post 15540186)
LOL @ blaming the refs.....

How do you go to the super bowl and not even score a touchdown?

Srs question
ROFL

ARROW2 02-09-2021 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 15540192)
ROFL
Oh, I don't know, how about two passes bouncing off of face masks in the end zone?

ARROW2 02-09-2021 08:40 AM
and another off of the fingertips of robinson

ARROW2 02-09-2021 08:41 AM
Fluke of a game

Bearcat 02-09-2021 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15539862)
But when they not only took away our DBs ability to play their brand of defense at all, and curiously didn't throw any flags at their DBs/LBs, they effectively eliminated any chance for KC to even make a game of it.

And I just have to question why it was necessary at all. Why change the way they officiated this game? They could've just pulled that shit when we played CLE or BUF.

Just doesn't make any sense.
I think the Bucs also did a far better job at adjusting and slowing down the pass rush with their dump-offs to Gronk and committing to the run... Simms reviewed that and said they were still getting into that offense in week 12, but it's what has protected Brady the past several weeks. After the 2nd or 3rd one of those screens, I figured things would open up for them.

And it's exactly the kind of stuff the Chiefs desperately needed in their game plan, and we all thought they were holding back for a game like this... shovel passes to Kelce, committing to CEH, etc; and I think Simms touched on it, too, that maybe Reid was just too afraid of the offensive line to even do those things. :shrug:

As far as officiating, I think the Bills/Chiefs shenanigans would be a good excuse for the NFL to crackdown on some of that stuff, but that obviously wouldn't include completely phantom defensive holds and DPIs.

Sassy Squatch 02-09-2021 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15540232)
I think the Bucs also did a far better job at adjusting and slowing down the pass rush with their dump-offs to Gronk and committing to the run... Simms reviewed that and said they were still getting into that offense in week 12, but it's what has protected Brady the past several weeks. After the 2nd or 3rd one of those screens, I figured things would open up for them.

And it's exactly the kind of stuff the Chiefs desperately needed in their game plan, and we all thought they were holding back for a game like this... shovel passes to Kelce, committing to CEH, etc; and I think Simms touched on it, too, that maybe Reid was just too afraid of the offensive line to even do those things. :shrug:

As far as officiating, I think the Bills/Chiefs shenanigans would be a good excuse for the NFL to crackdown on some of that stuff, but that obviously wouldn't include completely phantom defensive holds and DPIs.
Offensive line couldn't handle it. We tried a screen and it got blown the **** up two different ways because of horrendous blocking. After that I don't remember us trying many more.

BigRedChief 02-09-2021 08:45 AM
The refs didn't cost us the game for crissakes. :shake:


Mahomes running around behind the line of scrimmage for 497 yards. Trying to not get killed by 340lb men looking to **** him up and coaching did us in.

displacedinMN 02-09-2021 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15539841)
Showing zero desire to fix that crap just gives them an even worse look in the whole thing.
that says it all. Normal football fans should get answers

#investigaeCarlCheffers


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