I can see the Raiders being appealing, playing for Gruden and being in Vegas.

It made more sense when the raiders were in California. Of course that's where rich young athletes want to live. But Las Vegas? **** that.

If he goes there then Denver stays in the basement for a looong time. Unless of course they get Watson. :banghead:

If Raiders get Wilson it will be Wilson and no one else.

Isn’t Carr in the middle of signing a long term deal with the Faid?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> don&#39;t want to trade QB Derek Carr and are closing on a contract extension, per <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@caplannfl</a> <br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> recently looked into acquiring Carr but were turned down. Caplan adds that &quot;Last year around this time, he was 100% available.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/Kb5w1m53vu">pic.twitter.com/Kb5w1m53vu</a></p>&mdash; Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1363902984552382464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I somehow missed this. That's awesome. Hope they back up the Brinks truck for this one. Raider for life.

Vegas is one of those tax free places. Unlike CA which has one of the highest tax rates in the nation.

Wilson and Watson in the AFC WEST. That sounds like a lot of good football for all of us to watch.

good lord the raiders are dumb

CARRbage will never do anything he is such a bitch

This.

Shootouts vs Mahomes!

No taxes.

Money always talks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seahawks’ QB Russell Wilson has not demanded a trade, his agent Mark Rodgers told ESPN. Wilson has told the Seahawks he wants to play in Seattle but, if a trade were considered, the only teams he would go to are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, Bears.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1365007710496948239?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hey everybody! I DO NOT want to be traded! (But if you are going to trade me I'd love to go to the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, or Bears.)

Nagy and Pace are on life support. Might as well go all-out and try to acquire Wilson

History shows that Wilson goes deeper in the playoffs with a great defense. Chicago's O-line is crap but Wilson is used to that.

Bears just need some OT help, interior of that line is just fine.

I wonder how long the Bears will be able to keep that D together, though. They've been really great for a few years now and I feel like those elite defenses only last for a handful of years before it starts to fall apart.

Here is my dream scenario - Bears Trade for Wilson

Their offensive line was a mess last year with injuries, but that team basically has three young centers. Cody Whitehare is 28 and under contract, he's been their center. But they drafted James Daniels two years ago and have been playing him at LG, but he was injured last year with a torn peck. Then they have Sam Mustipher from Notre Dame who they rave about. They like him so much they are thinking about him at center, Whitehare at LG, and trying to move Daniels to RG.

If they trade for Wilson they are going to be desperate for picks. Who knows what they will do, but Daniels on a rookie contract would be awesome. Or maybe they want to move Whitehair, I don't know how that would work, but I'd be all over Daniels if I was Veach.

Report: Russell Wilson “stormed out” after his ideas for fixing Seattle’s offense were dismissed
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2021, 10:17 AM EST

Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson publicly said what he needed to say in the days after the Super Bowl. Someone has been speaking privately since then, and it has culminated in a lengthy item from TheAthletic.com that takes the closest look yet and the fractures and fissures in a relationship that currently seems to have a shelf life far closer to bread than bricks.

The article looks closely at the tension between Wilson and the coaching staff regarding Wilson’s desire to essentially be the offense, like Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City. That motivation drove the #LetRussCook phenomenon early in the season. But coach Pete Carroll freaked out after a turnover-fest against the Bills (four from Wilson) and another subpar performance against the Rams (three more Wilson turnovers).

After those seven turnovers from Wilson in two games, the Seahawks faced a short-week challenge against a Cardinals team that had a two-game winning streak against Seattle, and that was riding a wave of euphoria after the Hail Murray win over the Bills.

Here’s what happened next, via the story in TheAthletic.com: “Before the Thursday night game against Arizona, Wilson met with his coaches. For some time, Wilson has sought — even pushed — for influence within the organization regarding scheme and personnel. In the meeting, he outlined his own ideas for how to fix the offense. His suggestions were dismissed, multiple sources told The Athletic — another reminder to Wilson that the Seahawks did not see him the same way he saw himself, as a player who had earned greater control over his situation, his future, his legacy. He stormed out of the room.”

It takes no magnifying glass or other Sherlockian investigative tools to conclude that this nugget comes from the Seahawks, who finally are pushing back against the notion that Wilson’s skillset justifies more power and control.

Consider this quote in the story, from an unnamed source who surely isn’t connected to Wilson: “He’s finally catching heat. That’s the main reason for all of this. . . . People are talking and holding him accountable because he’s one of the highest-paid quarterbacks, he says he wants to be the greatest, so now people are holding him to that standard. . . . It’s a PR game. He’s trying to protect himself.”

It’s unclear whether the unnamed source is a Seahawks source. If it is, it suggests that the Seahawks should indeed try to finagle a major trade package from a team who views Wilson the way Wilson views Wilson. If it is, it also suggests that the Seahawks should be more discreet about their true feelings, since if that’s how they regard Wilson then maybe a huge trade offer isn’t justified.

That’s really what this comes down to. If the Seahawks view Wilson as an all-time great, they should treat him that way. If they don’t, they should trade him to a team that does, since that team would put together a trade offer that the Seahawks would regard as one they can’t refuse.

Wilson surely sees himself as someone who has the potential to crack the top five in league history. And he has every right to think that. The current problem between player and team seems to be that the Seahawks don’t share that assessment and/or they aren’t willing to transform their overall strategy to let Wilson create the kind of numbers and outcomes that will prove that Wilson belongs in the pantheon of the best pro football quarterbacks in history. Given Wilson’s current objectives for his career, it’s not a question of if but when the two sides go their separate ways.

The Mahomes effect. Mahomes has turned the expectations of these QB's on its head.

QB's want to have fun like Mahomes.

I'd fire Pete Carrol before I would trade Wilson

Without a doubt. The Seahawks would have no trouble bringing in a top name with an offensive focus to coach that team.

Now that the word is out, look for Jerruh to sell whats left of his soul to make it happen

I would say Dak would be traded to Seattle, but he's not under contract iirc. Maybe Jerruh, General Manager and Owner of the Dallas Cowboys, will slap the tag on him then trade him along with a couple of firsts to Seattle?

Saints I get. Contender.

Cowboys I get. Exposure.

Bears? What do they have to offer honestly? Are they a contender with Wilson?

And the Raiders? ROFL

Wilson is dumb.

Former QB
Players coach
Good offensive mind
Came from Reid tree
Very open to feedback on offense

Matt Nagy

May not be employed by the Bears if they don't dramatically improve next year.

The roster is the issue in Chicago, not Nagy. Even a decent QB should get them to 10-6 but their QB's are garbage.

They don't have any offensive weapons really, either, so if anyone should be fired, it's Ryan Pace (who should have been fired for trading up for Trubisky, anyway).

It's a miracle that he coached them to 8-8 for the past two seasons.

Oh I know that. I'm just saying that Nagy will be the fall guy or he'll be fired with Pace. The Bears seat is a hot one right now. Not sure I'd want to go there but hey, maybe Wilson thinks he's the missing piece (and he might be).

All I know is, I'd be trying like hell to upgrade Dak

Dude is so overrated, he's had some pretty good statistical years but just doesn't have "it", IMO

He's Alex Smith with a slightly bigger pair of balls

Is the ownership so hands off that they can't see the pitiful way Pace is general managing the Bears? His job is to ensure the coaches have the pieces to ensure success, and so far he hasn't come close to hitting that. On the offensive side, anyway.

That team has been so bad this past decade but I hadn't realized until I just checked that they were 3-13 and 5-11 in the two seasons prior to Nagy's arrival.

He coached them up to 12-4, then 8-8 the past two seasons. But like you said, they'll probably fire him because the McCaskey's are absolutely clueless.

If he's fired, he'll get snatched up immediately.

A bit bigger an arm, but yeah, that's spot on.

Yeah, the McCaskey's have been hands-off, terrible owners for decades.

The Lions are garbage, the Bears are garbage and for the most part, the Vikings are garbage, which always makes the Packers look better than their record.

Yeah, FWIW, I think Nagy has made chicken salad out of chicken shit. He's been borderline great given the mess he was handed.

.......and 8 pro bowls and a Super Bowl ring.......

I could be wrong, but I think he was talking about Prescott, not Wilson.

I never did understand why they let Brian Schottenheimer go,did Russ not like his philosophy or maybe it was Carroll.

I stand corrected, thanks

Bears went to the playoffs with Turdbisky last year.

They'd easily be contenders with Wilson.

Yeah if I was the Bears I'd be all over that. They'd be a legit force.

That said, Wilson has the perfect setup now. They've put him in an offense with guys who are great at running verticals, fades, etc. so he can just chuck it down the field. He's not going to have Lockett and DK Metcalf in these other places. Some other very good WRs like Amari Cooper sure, but that QB/WR group Seattle has is perfect for each other.

:thumb:

Will be interesting to see if a new OC does him good. Seattle just hired a pretty intriguing OC. Russell Wilson is a much more talented version of Alex Smith. Is that just who he is, or is that Schottenheimer pulling him down? I still wonder if it's both. People keep talking about his OL sucking but like Alex I think a lot of that is from holding on to the ball because he doesn't have the aggressiveness of mahomes.

Which also begs the question... Considering he's one of the most slippery qbs out there, how good will he still be when he loses his legs. He can make all the throws. But is he willing to be aggressive enough to try them?

Ok.

You wanna expand on this one some more? I don't hear that comparison too much.

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Pete Carroll is a moron

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The saga continues ��<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeSilver?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeSilver</a>) <a href="https://t.co/xcergqZX2i">pic.twitter.com/xcergqZX2i</a></p>&mdash; B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) <a href="https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1367509655237361665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He should add Miami to his list....and they should jump all over that. His preferred teams have to strip themselves to get him if this happens.

Seattle needs to STFU and do what makes their star QB feel appreciated and motivated.

Without Russel, that’s not a playoff team.

yeah other than being athletic QB's I don't see that at all.

Wilson is MUCH less risk averse and is more than willing to chuck it downfield.

Not nearly the same type of player.

I'll be honest, really do not want it to be the Raiders. Wilson would instantly make them a contender, and they were already an oddly tough match-up for us last year.

I do have to wonder if Paul Allen dying and Carroll becoming the de facto CEO of that team is why he seems so untouchable. Seriously, there is no legitimate reason to keep him around given his constant underachieving, the fact that he's a dinosaur in today's NFL, and the fact that he's pissed off the franchise player.

Carr has been very ****ing good for them recently. Not sure how much of an upgrade Wilson would be, especially given the resources it'd take to get him and how that subsequently affects their ability to fix the defense.

Wilson is miles beyond Carr. Last drive of the game, Raiders down by 6, which one of those 2 QBs is overwhelmingly more likely to get the job done? Not even close. If Carr can look good playing for that team, Wilson would be all-world. And with that young core of speed receivers? No thanks.

And they'd still have no defense. Not even 2018 Mahomes with the cracked out offense could overcome not having a defense.

They're also planning to get rid of both Gabe Jackson and Trent Brown. That OL is going to regress badly.

Why would Wilson want to go to a division with Herbert and Mahomes, if the whole crux of this rift is about his ego and his legacy? Like, wouldn't he want to go to a division/conference that gives him the best chance to win?

He has veto power on any trade. He should push for NYG.

Exactly.

The defense is bad and the Raiders haven't shown much progress despite all the high draft picks.

They guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He thinks that Recovery Water prevents concussions and also does not understand he leads the NFL in sacks because of his play not the players around him.

Exactly.

The Raiders are not a good option whatsoever.

You either have to have:

A. The talent to win now

B. Excess draft capital

They have neither.

Intredasting

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Betting outlets in Vegas have removed Russell Wilson trade destinations as a prop bet and the Bears Super Bowl odds just went way up 🧐</p>&mdash; SportsTalkATL.com (@SportsTalkATL) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsTalkATL/status/1369854926126522370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>