Let me guess, he's catching everything in camp.

He's not John Baldwin, lower your expectations please.

Sammy two years with the Chiefs 89 receptions for 1094 yards 5 Touchdowns.
7 year pro



Mecole two years with the Chiefs 67 receptions for 1098 yards 10 Touchdowns.
2 year pro



Mecole is still in developing stages and getting a full offseason work in that he didn't get last year. So I got great expectations and hope that he is going blow defenses up and take pressure off of Tyreek and Kelce along with our running game CEH and revamped line. Holy **** Mahomes pulling the trigger this is going be fun.


I've said this before but **** the haters.

DeMarcus has been taking the majority of #2 WR reps at camp so yeah, there's that. Hopefully Powell is what I hope he is cause I don't really want to go to far into the season with Robinson as a starter. If Hardman was seriously being looked at for that spot, he would have likely been taking those reps from the start of camp or at least splitting them.

Ew.

Well that isn't very endorsing for Mecole Hardman but I'm still going stick with what Honey Badger said about him and think he is going have a really good season under his belt that will be eye openers to what he can do and give defenses fits.


I also want to see what Powell can do and am stoked for his emergence. I wouldn't complain if he took the #2 spot but I'm still a fan of Mecole Hardman.

LMAO

So you still don’t understand that Hardman isn’t the X in this offense and never will be.

He might not be the X, but he will absolutely be #2 in targets for WR’s.

And they clearly drafted Powell to be the future X while Robinson was signed to be a stopgap/insurance.

This is only news to you because you don’t have a ****ing clue.

Mecole may produce as a number 2 but it will likely not be from where sammy lined up.

You know who our “#2 WR” was last year in terms of production?

Mecole Hardman.

McLaurin was a third round pick and Metcalf isn't even the best WR in that class that belongs to AJ Brown.

I can't stand this Metcalf stuff, everybody in the league passed on him. We got great return for a second rounder, it could have been worse, a lot worse. Just look at the Pats and N'Keal Harry.

You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?

LMAO

Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

“You must spread some reputation around before giving it to DaneMcCloud again”

Have a great weekend Dane!

Not shocked but the "number 2" barely played, so its hard to use that example. People have differing definitions of #2. I used to think of it as your best two outside WR's as 1 and two but, that just isnt the case realistically. Hardman will likely be our second best producer, just not at the X role and people will probably still bitch about Sammy being replaced by the Robinson, Pringle and Powell committee.

Well that #2 is completely out of the picture now, so I don’t see any reason that’s going to change.

Yeah, because the late second round is just packed with guys that can be Week 1 starters on a Championship football team, and Veach just keeps missing on them.

:facepalm:

A “project” with over 1,000 yard and 10+ TD’s the last 2 seasons.

I don’t think people understand what a “project” is. You’d think Hardman hasn’t even gotten on the field yet.

Man that ball where Mahomes jumps against the titans, Mecole scorched the entired titans d but hes a project.

It's always like that around here. If you shit on a pick, it's that the Chiefs know best and don't question Veach... etc etc. If you turn out to be wrong too, then hooo boy, what an idiot you are. The same goes if you champion a player that most everyone shits on. The only right way is to agree that all picks are the greatest ever and that we are all idiots because we do not work in the NFL.

I scoffed a bit at Hardman as well, mostly because I really thought Parris Campbell was going to be a player. Two injury-filled years later and I'm not looking really good on the flip side of my argument. I do feel like Hardman is at least a fairly decent, if not above average, #3/slot guy but it is evident he gets scheme-based production. I also feel like that is Hardman's ceiling.

I shit on Breeland Speaks and nobody pushed back




But let's be honest that was fish in a barrel

I don't understand the consternation about Mecole Hardman. Sammy Watkins played in ten games last season and had abysmal stats.

I'd rather have Mecole Hardman starting 16 games than Sammy Watkins, not even factoring in that Watkins' cap number was detrimental. We are a better team today for having replaced Watkins with Hardman, and using that money to get Thuney.

It all goes back to the CP draft. Mecole was NOT their guy, so they will hate him forever for it.

"Just look at who we could have had!!!"

"Chiefs could have traded back, picked up extra picks and then parlayed those into extra picks- and then used them to fill 10 spots on the team with All-Pro players----but we ****ing picked Hardman instead!" :cuss:

I just want Mecole to get better at route running and concentration because I WANT him to keep getting better.

I understand he isn't the X receiver but I guess I just want him to be more clutch because he is explosive as hell.


But also CEH is going to get more look in the passing game along with Noah. We have a lot of good options without having that traditional second receiver.

I think people were just hoping that Hardman would turn into Calvin Ridley in his second year and it didn't happen partly because there are so many other options

Mecole played 6 more games than Watkins and only had 140 more yards, 4 more catches, and 2 more touchdowns a lot more drop. On a per game basis, Watkins was better and they didn't have to run plays specifically for him in order for him to succeed. He fit the natural flow of the offense whereas Mecole really doesn't.

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.

How exactly is he every bit as good as Sammy yet still doesn't get the snaps even when Sammy is injured? Sammy is a lot better. Just made of glass

This is such horseshit. There has pretty much always been a role like Mecole’s in Andy’s offense whether it’s him, Tyreek, or DAT filling it. This is pseudo football expert bullshit that people like you just regurgitate to try and sound smart.

It’s not like Andy stops and writes plays up for Hardman in the middle of the game. It’s still HIS offense, therefor it “fits the natural flow”.

I’d like you to go through a Hardman highlight reel and tell me how all the plays he has made don’t “fit the natural flow of the offense”.

So ****ing dumb.

There’s a reason Andy’s offense is often described as “gimmicky” by opponents. It’s what he does. If you don’t think plays designed for Mecole “fit he natural flow” of Reid’s offense, then you clearly don’t ****ing understand Reid’s offense at all.

"Not clutch" but look at all these clutch plays

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Yeah **** the haters he has done good his first two years and I think he is going get better and make some more incredible plays that will be apart of championships for us.


That back of the endzone TD doesn't get any more clutch.


Has he made mistakes yes. Can he get better, also yes.

But it didn’t fit the natural flow of the offense so it doesn’t count!

Anyone said it doesn't? Like I said, hes a gadget player who can occasionally have the big game. But as of now, he's a gadget that hasn't shown that his role should be expanded despite numerous opportunities. Our #2 missed 6+ games last year and Robinson was the one who took up the majority of snaps Sammy left behind. And so far in camp, it looks like that will continue to he true next season.

You answered your own question

Remember Dexter McCluster? Other than his last year in KC with Reid, THAT'S a player who didn't fit the natural flow of the offense. Where he comes onto the field, and the defense already knew the ball is going to him. Yeah, the designed play might involve trickery and bullshit, but the end result was largely the same, because "Getting him the ball in space" isn't easy when the player in question is only suited for that one task. It didn't matter where we lined him up, either. Until McCluster figured out a damn route tree, he was absolutely a worthless gadget player.

Hardman getting the ball on trick plays isn't the same thing. The time period of him only coming in for trick plays on offense was relatively short, and while he was limited and his role was limited initially, he was still operating and working through the flow of the play. Just because a relative chunk of his production came on trick plays doesn't mean that's all he was good for.

Yeah, I agree. He's certainly leaps and bounds better than DAT and I really have no issues with Hardman at all and the role he plays in the offense. It'd be nice if he could evolve into more, but if he doesn't that doesn't make him bad.

Mark me down for also getting fooled on Parris Campbell


Edit holy shit

“The Athletic's Nate Taylor reports WR Mecole Hardman "has made sizable improvements, whether it’s his route running, his consistency when catching the ball or his overall demeanor on the practice fields."

Probably hope for more than Pro Bowl return specialist, yeah. But like I say, he's fine, hopefully he takes a step forward, if he doesn't it's not the end of the world.

Thank you for your warm welcome.

Yeah you may be right. I meant more he hadn't yet imo, but we live in hope.

Probably hope for more than Pro Bowl return specialist, yeah. But like I say, he's fine, hopefully he takes a step forward, if he doesn't it's not the end of the world.

Thank you for your warm welcome.

That’s great to hear.

He looks different too. Seems like added a little more muscle.

King isn't exactly wrong with saying Mecole has been Andy's "gadget" receiver, and there is nothing wrong with that when you've got Tyreek, Kelce and a healthy Watkins out there. And even when Watkins wasn't out there, Robinson played Watkins' role because Mecole was good at what he did in this offense, and there was nothing wrong with that either.

Things may very well change this season for him, and by the sound of Nate Taylor's comments they will. As long as Mecole can run the routes for the X and be 80% the blocker Sammy is, he might be the guy. We'll see.

He's hard, man

This cracked me up:


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Look at who said the quote in the graphic this guy tweeted

If he worked hard this offseason, he can be a big time weapon for us.

His weaknesses are things that work can fix.

1) Getting off the line better. Using his quickness and hand speed to get off press. With his speed, if he can simply do this better, he’s goi g to break a lot of big plays because he can get fairly instant separation if he can beat press. His routes get majorly disrupted or just flat out walled off right at the line way too much up to this point.

2) Running a whole route tree. #1 will definitely help this one, but he needs to be able to diversify his routes to get on the field more. This is a big reason he didn’t get on the field and be productive more in this first 2 years. He needs to take the next step of not relying strictly on his speed to make plays. He needs to develop his quick twitch to explode in and out of his breaks more instead of rounding off his routes. A big part of this is his sight adjustments. He needs to be able to read what the defense is doing much faster and adjust his routes the way Pat is looking for him to. Sight adjustments are huge in Andy’s WCO.

3) “Keep running” dude just stops once he’s not initially open. That pissed everyone off as a rookie, and didn’t improve much last year. This offensive line is going to give Pat a lot of time to find the open man and with Pats ability to improvise and keep the play alive, Mecole has a chance to make a ton of explosive plays when Pat has 3-5 seconds to find the open man. He just needs to be better prepared to know where to go to give Pat a target to hit after his initial route is convered.

…

Honestly, I think most of Mecoles weaknesses are things that can become strengths if he puts in the work both mental and physical.

What a moron. And the tweet makes zero sense.

Mecole Hardman has to step up because he has an elite pedigree?

What in the mother of ****?

Not buying it. I think Powell beats him out.

Bet not.

I think Powell will take Robinson’s job if he does overtake someone

Beat me to it

Yep.

Expected to come into camp as the #2 WR according to Nate Taylor.

He's the best of the veterans (not named Tyreek).

I'm targeting Powell late in redrafts.

His competition is Robinson, Pringle, Callaway and a rookie. He should be the #2

Put me in Camp Pringle.

Not a chance. Hes getting traded for N'keal harry.

KEEP DOUBTING GEHRIG ****ING DIETER!!!!!

Ok, I will.

ROFL

Who the **** is that? Dollar Store Cris Carter?

Really good presser with Mecole today.

He seems like he’s matured quite a bit, and he understands that he needs to be better, along with where he needs to be better.

I REALLY had high hopes for this guy when we drafted him…

He’ll be fine. Completely different role for the kid now.

1st year pass, rookie.

2nd year COVID no offseason

3rd year, bigger role no excuses.


Put me down for first 1,000 yd club. LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He will have 1 yard for every post in this thread!!! LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!!

So will I.

Hes no Tyler Wilson but hes been carving out a decent career.

True although I was a little annoyed he didn’t make an effort to work out with Patrick at all this offseason. “We just weren’t in the same vicinity.” Dude you played video games and bowled at Olathe lanes all offseason.

Remember the offseason before the Super Bowl when Kelce, DRob and Patrick were running routes every day together? That’s what I was hoping Mecole would do.

Dude, I thought I was the only that was disappointed in this. How did he not make time?

147 posts so far. Sounds about right.

I’ll bet Gehrig Dieter made the time!!

Soren Petro is trying to run Hardman out of town.

"The guy doesn't get it!! Andy, Andy, what do you think of Mecole not working out with Mahomes!"

He is still ranting over a play Mahomes told him to come back for the ball-lol

Mecole caught a deep TD today in camp- so, I think he will be fine.

He’s a ****ing idiot.

This. He loves to find 1 guy and just rail on him endlessly while getting himself all worked up. He makes Mecole out to be dumber than D Bowe.

Sounds like he, like a lot of people, doesn’t understand how raw Mecole was coming out of college. He hasn’t even been playing WR for more than a few years, and Andy Reid’s offense has a reputation of being difficult to learn for WRs. Not everybody is Tyreek Hill.

Soren hated on Reek too- especially with the legal trouble. Now, he is trying to hold Mecole to that standard.

Hardman just needs to be John Taylor- we already have our Jerry Rice.

Probably not the thing to get worked up, training with Mahomes in the offseason probably won't make or break his season.

But him catching a deep ball from Mahomes means nothing, he's been able to run go routes from day 1 on pure speed and athleticism alone. I'll hold my judgement until I see any semblance of being able to run a route tree.

raw coming out of college, but plus-plus speed.

year one, some big plays, limited route tree, limited snaps.

year two, no training camp, weird covid year.

I'm not overly concerned. I expect Hardman takes a natural progression forward.

I also think he will be helped by Andy and Co knowing that they will need to game plan for him more now that Sammy Watkins is out of the picture.

Everyone acted like Hardman should have emerged as a star in year two, but I really think this is the time for him to step up and show what he's got.

Limited sample size to be sure, but apparently Robinson was lined up across from Hill in 2WR sets and Hardman only came on as WR3.

I like Fortson.

1. Robinson has more experience than Hardman

AND

2. Robinson and Mahomes have had a natural chemistry together since 2017, and I think that's a big part of why Robinson is still around.