Then that would mean somebody like Jenkins or Cosmi would fall.

No man, people say that shit all the time around here. "I'll default to the guy that got us a Super Bowl." You're not the only one to have said it. Veach, undoubtedly, was our leader to the promised land and made changes required to get there but those changes didn't come in the draft.

Let's look at the important players for SB 54.

John Dorsey added these players:

Mahomes - Draft
Kelce - Draft
Fisher - Draft
Hill - Draft
Schwartz - FA
Duvernay-Tardif - Draft
Robinson - Draft
Sherman - Trade
Jones - Draft
Sorensen - UDFA
Kpassagnon - Draft
Ragland - Trade

Veach added these:
Hardman - Draft
Reiter - FA
Breeland - FA
Mathieu - FA
Ward - Trade
Nnadi - Draft
Clark - Trade
Hitchens - FA
Wilson - FA
Niemann - UDFA
Wisniewski - FA
Pennel - FA
Fuller - Trade
Williams - FA

The historic offense that we love was built by John Dorsey through the draft. Veach added the pieces in free agency and via trade to sculpt the rest of the roster. I like Veach a lot more than maybe I indicate, but he hasn't built anything with the draft just yet. Veach has proved he can bring in the right guys in FA or trade and litter in a few draft picks. I don't assume Veach isn't without fault until I know he can bring in more talent through the draft than he has when the chips are down and he has to, much like Dorsey had to face.

Dorsey hit on a lot of players that aren't with the Chiefs anymore on top of those that are. There may be varying degrees of talent, but guys like Morse, Hunt, Conley, O'Shaughnessy, Fulton, Peters, Nunez-Roches, Kush, and Gaines have had some longevity in the league and some more significant success than others. He brought in Smith to turn the franchise around. We owe alot to John Dorsey here that he doesn't get credit for.

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This guy is very underrated. Absolutely shut Ojulari down.

Maybe, but I dunno if Jenkins is a left tackle in the nfl. I haven’t paid much attention to him but I like his tenacity.

So I've just watched a ton of OT film this weekend.

Eichenberg absolutely has to be the pick at 31 if we don't get a LT in FA.

Simply because he's the only guy outside of the first couple elite dudes who you can put at LT on day one.

You can't do that with Mayfield. You can't do that with Vera-Tucker or Jenkins -- who are both right tackles, in my mind. And you might be able to do that with Cosmi, but Cosmi has a lot of technique work to clean up.

Eichenberg is David Bakhtiari. He may make Pro Bowls but he's going to be super reliable in all of his non-athletic glory -- which is actually a blessing because athletic studs who are still learning the position like Darrisaw are going to be taken well before him as a result. Eichenberg is currently in pole position to have my endorsement.

I'd rather have a passrusher, but our hands are tied at this point.

There are people here that don't give Dorsey any credit at all and there are some that give him WAY too much credit.

One guy has stood on the sideines of 2 Super Bowls in 3 years. The other has been fired twice in the same span of time. Neither of them are perfect. Both of them know way more about evaluating football players than anybody here.

Like I said, agree to disagree. I'm not interested in discussing it further.

False.

Ooo! I am! I am!

Dorsey's and Veach's failures (aside from landing a generational QB) in the 2017 and 2018 drafts are why we have gaping chasms across this roster right now!

We have a generational QB that we've paid $500m to right now.

If we don't plug LT with a free agent who's capable of holding the edge, which is really just Okung right now, then we have absolutely no choice but to invest our first rounder in a left tackle.

Hell, you probably can't even stand pat -- you probably have to trade up to ensure you get the one you want.

What second rounder are you comfortable with at starting left tackle week one!?

I like Eichenburg too. He'd be my choice if he's there.

You NEVER approach the draft with that mindset. Ever.

Regardless of need.

His knowledge of how to play tackle is leagues beyond everybody in this draft, including Sewell.

His feet are pretty good, but his hands are outstanding. He knows how to get to his spot and stymie hand-fighters. He anticipates counter moves and even if he loses on the first step, which can happen quite often against the smaller, faster rushers, he compensates with his mastery of technique.

The big problem with Eichenberg is manageable: he's not athletic enough to really dominate people on screens, but we've gotten away from screens anyway.

Cosmi needs to learn the position a bit more, but once he's coached up, he should be outstanding, with a higher ceiling. The problem with him is he has no sand in the pants and he's going to be absolutely victimized by bigger passrushers his rookie year. He's 6'7" and is pretty much an automatic loss against bullrushes. His footwork is outstanding, though, easily one of the best outside of Sewell and Slater.

Oh, are we inventing rules for football?

Let me fall back on this old chestnut:

You Don't Trot Out The Best Quarterback Of All Time With Subpar Protection On His Blindside

Whatever man. We aren't hamstrung, our hands aren't tied.

They don't HAVE to do anything. It may not be bright to ignore LT but they could literally take any position in the 1st round and still be fine. They're A LOT smarter than you or I.

Well you are correct -- it would "not be bright to ignore LT."

I'd rephrase that, though, to Catastrophically Stupid.

Let's not overthink this, alright? The Chiefs cannot protect Mahomes blind side right now, which you have to if you want to win the Super Bowl, because JPP and Shaq Barrett are going to do it to Mahomes again if you don't.

The Chiefs are extremely lucky this year. A Pro Bowl caliber tackle is likely to fall to at least the mid 20s this year because there's a glut of freak athletes at the position and he's not very athletic, for all his talent.

Get the guy you need to win the Super Bowl.

Brought to you by the creator of the thread “Talk me out of trading up for Kwity Paye.”

They have plenty of options. They can win the Super Bowl without drafting a LT in the first round.

Teams that enter the draft with a must-have mindset never come out ahead. Ever.

The draft is always a balance of value and need. Always.

I don't think Direk is wrong here though. The Chiefs are gonna have to be aggressive in regards to the LT spot. That doesnt' mean blowing out the draft to trade up or anything, but they need to address it pretty hastily.

Operation Eichenberg is a blend of value and need though.

In a normal year Eichenberg is a top 25 pick but this year he’s gonna get pushed down the board. Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker and Jenkins are near locks to be taken before us.

Cosmi and/or Eichenberg should be there around our pick. That’s incredible value

He's absolutely wrong that the Chiefs hands are tied. They simply aren't.

They do need to address the LT position and I have no doubt they will. That doesn't necessarily mean it will be in the 1st round of the draft. It doesn't HAVE to be in the 1st round. It doesn't HAVE to be anything.

Of course.

My quibble is with the idea that they HAVE to pick a LT. They don't. They don't ever HAVE to pick anything.

Luckily, OT is a great position this year so taking a LT won't be a problem. It still isn't the only move they can make.

Their hands are tied that they're gonna have to take a LT early in this draft, especially if they don't sign Okung (big bag of meh from me there).

Depending how the board falls, they may decide to wait to round 2 or something and go developmental, but that would mean you're playing someone already on teh roster at LT, or signing a vet stop gap.

The best option is taking someone in round 1 who can step right in and play.

This is simply not true.

This is true.

They don't currently have a LT man, or really, anyone on the roster who you'd feel comfortable playing it.

They're pretty tied to taking one early in this draft.

They could sign Okung today.

They're not tied to anything. You may not like the idea but that doesn't mean they view it that way at all.

For all we know, they are going to have Niang play LT and Remmers at RT. Remmers did say he signed to be the starting right tackle.

We simply have no idea what they intend to do. Did you see them signing Reed at this time yesterday, considering the need at DE over DT?

Definitely not.

But them going hard after T. Williams means they seem to think the same as we do about LT.

Middlekauf is pretty plugged in with Veach and Reid. On his last pod talked like the Chiefs were pretty enamored with this LT class.

Stupid teams doing things stupid teams do. That’s how we get a good LT there at 31.

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They have Jonah Williams. Why would they take Sewell?

They went after Williams because they wanted Williams. Obviously LT is a position of need but notice that after Williams, they've pursued basically nobody.

Of course they're enamored with this LT class, everybody is. That doesn't mean they're enamored with same specific players we are.

This entire offseason has been Veach zagging when most people expected him to zig. At this point, I almost expect there to be a mixture of surprise and dismay on draft day.

Because he isn’t very good, Sewell is a generational LT prospect and Williams has been hurt 3 times in his 2 year career, two of them being on IR

They've pursued no one because there isn't anyone else to pursue. Okung is hurt all the time and isn't dependable. He's fine for a emergency only type thing, but other than that, there isn't shit out there.

So, yeah, they're pretty much locked in to take a LT early in the draft.

Maybe.

But I'd say Chase is the same?

Honestly if they don’t take Sewell I’d get Kyle Pitts assuming he’s still there

Ahhhhh, it seems our good friend Pesty is The Guy Who Says He Read The Article But Only Read The Headline:

The Chiefs have not stayed true to that, at this point. They have not bolstered their left tackle situation yet.

If that's the case, then they must do what they can to plug that hole in the draft.

Read the actual article next time.

What other options are there, at this point? I've been looking.

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Totally agree, actually, which is why maybe you set yourself up so that's not what you have to do.

But the need to protect Mahomes' blind side trumps our need to adhere strictly to the value/need balance. The need is simply too severe at this point.

Nope.

That's your perception of the situation.

Nate Taylor has stressed that Niang will be given every opportunity to win RT, but that Remmers will be the incumbent there.

Just FYI

It's going to be Niang at RT. If anybody is flipping to LT from that combo, it's Remmers.

Which, so help me god, htismaqe. So help me god.

I guess I missed where you are an NFL personnel man and actually know who is and isn't available.

I absolutely disagree and that's the last I'm going to say on the subject. The upside here is that if the Chiefs take a tackle in the draft, I'm good.

If they don't, you guys are going to lose your shit. Don't say I didn't warn you.

its not complicated

I don't need you to warn me that I'm going to be upset if the Chiefs enter Week One with Remmers at tackle. Buuuuuuuut thanks

Chiefs will resign fisher and make do until he’s healthy. Pick DE or CB round 1 and bpa the rest of the way. No need to panic.

I will only lose my shit if the following happens:

1. The Chiefs sign no FA stop-gap LT (i.e. Okung, no others out there).
2. The Chiefs do not draft a LT in Rounds 1 or 2.
3. The Chiefs execute 1 and 2, giving me overwhelming fear, and Walker Little does not fall to 94 and the Chiefs are left holding their dicks.
4. This is the point where I lose my shit.

I can’t get over this. This is the kind of guy that Veach loves.

I think Leatherwood is my darkhorse Chiefs pick if there’s a run on T’s like some are concerned about.

I always felt like he wasn’t a scheme fit, or he might have to play G, but he’s exactly what they’re looking for physically.

I think I would only lose my shit if they didn't sign a veteran LT OR center.

Say they bring back Reiter for center, then went DE (Phillips?) WR (E Moore?) in the the first two picks, or somehow got say Bateman then Tryon? I guess I would be okay with it, you're adding a lot of talent with your first 2 picks.

They would basically be saying "hey the line is better or the same in 4 of 5 slots, we couldn't get the guy at LT with how the board fell but we're going with Rankins plus chip help and we will try and get Fish back mid year if it looks like a disaster" - I could live with it.

Clearly its not something I would want them to plan to do, but the plan was Williams..

per Nate Taylor of the Athletic:

Round 1 (pick 26): OT Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma State

Yes, we started this mock draft with a fairly significant trade: The Chiefs sent the 31st, 94th and 136th picks to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for the 26th and 91st pick.

The reasoning here is pretty simple: The Chiefs need to acquire the most talented tackle they can in the first round of the draft. Sure, the Chiefs could still strengthen their roster by signing a veteran left tackle with either Russell Okung or Alejandro Villanueva. But for the future of the franchise, as protecting Mahomes matters most for Veach and Reid, the Chiefs should do what they can to move up in the first round if a tackle prospect they covet is still available. And that was the impetus for our make-believe trade.

The more film of Jenkins I watched, the easier it was to see why he can have a successful career. Chiefs fans should start falling in love with Jenkins. Listed at 6-foot-7 and 320 pounds, Jenkins can bully defenders and has long arms to stay attached to the pass rusher to disrupt their path to the quarterback. Jenkins is athletic, too, and works hard to engage in a block when he’s downfield, which should pair well with the complex screen passes Reid designs. One issue, as Brugler notes, is that Jenkins could stand to be more consistent with his technique. The Chiefs should have faith in offensive line assistant Andy Heck to help polish Jenkins’ technique and hand placement.

In Brugler’s new Top 100 Big Board, Jenkins is the 20th-ranked prospect.

By trading picks with the Browns, the Chiefs were able to jump over AFC contenders in the Baltimore Ravens (pick 27) and the Buffalo Bills (30), two teams that could select Jenkins. In The Athletic’s first beat writer mock draft earlier this month, the Ravens selected Jenkins.

In our mock, one reason the Chiefs were able to select Jenkins (after the trade) was because they benefited from a run on edge players, as four such prospects were selected ahead of the 26th pick. At Oklahoma State, Jenkins played a few games at left tackle, and Brugler projects him as a starting tackle who is more talented and possesses more athleticism than Liam Eichenberg, the left tackle from Notre Dame who we selected with the 31st pick in our first mock draft.

The Browns then use the 31st pick to select Zaven Collins, the talented outside linebacker from Tulsa.

Other notable prospects potentially available: receiver Terrace Marshall Jr. (LSU), defensive end Gregory Rousseau (Univ. of Miami), defensive end Azeez Ojulari (Georgia) and tackle Samuel Cosmi (Texas).

Is Teven even a capable left tackle?

I know we all love the dude but he’s an NFL right tackle.

But Taylor has connections, sooooo

A trade like that I’m fine with. We move up in the first and third and only give up a fourth.

From what I've read, everyone seems to think he's a RT.

But if they like him there, I'm good with it. Up to them. I trust them completely on it.

What TE did he have us drafting?

Round 3 (pick 91): TE Tommy Tremble, Notre Dame

Thanks

It’s far from “everyone”.

I think he can play LT, and I get the sense that the Chiefs do too based on Taylor and them meeting with him.

or that Niang can.

Jeremiah's mock draft from over the weekend had us trading up to #25 for Jenkins.

Now Taylor.

That's a little smoke. Probably time to start looking for the fire.

Link?

I’m having trouble finding it.

It wasn’t Jeremiah. It was Reuter.

He never said what the compensation was but then we didn’t have pick #136.

It was Jeremiah's from over the weekend, the one he did within hours of the SF trade up to #3. He has since released a new one and has us back to taking Dickerson at #31.

Nevermind, the link said Jeremiah but it takes you to Reuter's mock draft. NFL.com screw up.

Things we should be rooting for:

1. The Bengals give into their franchise QB and reunite him with Chase.

2. Mac Jones slides to 19/20 so the WFT or Bears draft him, or one of them trades up.

Both of these would really help push a T down to 31 or at least our range.

We really need for an early run on WRs and QBs too.

If 5 QBs go in the top 7 picks which I think is very likely then it could also start a run on Pitts and the 3 top WRs.

I really see a big run on OTs in the 11-25 range. I could see 6-7 tackles going in that range.

I think you will get OT2 if you jump to 12.

I also wonder if they are looking at Dickenson and that is why we are looking for a 1 year deal for a C until he is ready.

Kollman just did a video on him, no mention of him either being able to play left or being right only, but a lot of praise

It's not likely 6-7 tackles go in the entire 32 picks of the 1st round, let alone in half that space.

I sincerely hope not.

Ahem

Sounds like a guy we should ALL covert, not just Chiefs brass.

Where do you think he goes?

why hasn't this guy been on the draftnik radar?

He certainly looks the part and that tape looks really good.

I think we can all agree that Stone is a perfect first name for a guy that does that for a living. :D

Probably because how deep this offensive line group is.

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The notre dame head coach doesn’t think eichenberg is a LT

Honestly, he’s so underrated by everybody outside of Lance Zierlein that I have no ****ing clue.

To give some perspective, Zierlein has him over Cosmi, Radunz, Brown, Little, and just below Eichenberg and Leatherwood.

I would bet that Eichenberg goes to the Colts in the first round.

We’re going to shock everyone and draft Stone in the 2nd round.

I have to wonder with comments like that, if he's even on the Chiefs radar at all, at least for LT.

If Kelly sees it, Reid sees it.

And a CB in the first.

CB in the first, Stone in the second, a WR in the third and a DE in the fourth.

Ok, forgive me, since BR is out as our oline coach who takes his place? Do we believe in said replacement for our oline to BEGIN with?

He was our assistant LB coach.

Huh?

Pretty sure Britt was an assistant linebackers coach.

Shit! You are correct! My UBER BAD! Sorry!

I can see us taking Caleb Farley in the first. He is likely to fall given his injury.