I don't, though.

Yes

Another low risk, high reward move from Veach. Absolutely love his style.

So we traded the last pick (not counting comp picks) in the 6th for a top 5 pick in the 7th to get a former 1st rounder.

Breelands 30 now at that age a CB can fall off the map so it makes sense to get younger.

What’s the plan at DE then if Clark or Charlton miss any time?

A rookie? Tim Ward?

No way.

He actually just turned 29 in January.

Ok I'm a year early. It's either his age or they'd still like to bring him back and let some of these other dudes battle it out like Keyes, Baker, Hughes etc.

Tim Ward is physically a prototypical Spags end, they probably do like him.

But is he ready for meaningful snaps? I guess you don’t know til you try, but we don’t have much reason to believe so.

He's been around for 2 years now so it's basically shit or get off the pot at this point.

Sounds like if he can get and stay healthy there's potential for a high upside signing.

I'll go 50/50

Vichyssoise with another low risk high reward move.

Comment on PFT regarding this trade:

"Why do people keep helping the Chiefs!"

Love It, GO VEACH!

Nice job Mr. Veach! Keep 'em coming! :clap:

Reggie Ragland.

Kelvin Benjamin.

Cam Erving.

Deandre Baker.

Mike Hughes.

If you’ve ever been mocked to the Chiefs but someone else swiped you from the Arrowhead NICU, just know: we’ll get you back. A Veach never forgets.

Such a smart little deal. Saves the Vikings a few bucks. Chiefs get a guy with upside.

I'm not sure what they're liking if he barely saw the field.

Speaking of our other second chance first round CB signee, where are we at on him... out of these two, who's most likely to stick?

On phone otherwise I’d embed

The #Chiefs have a fun looking young group of cornerbacks right now.

Charvarius Ward - 24 years old
Deandre Baker - 23 years old
L'Jarius Sneed - 24 years old
Mike Hughes - 24 years old
Rashad Fenton - 24 years old
BoPete Keyes - 23 years old

(I think these are correct)

If they're both 100% I'd lean Baker because other than the leg he's been ok. Hughes has a very extensive injury history.

Although most likely a move like this puts guys like BoPete Keyes on notice same as Will Parks should do to Armani Watts.

Baker was released after one season because he was a likely felon and potential attitude issues.

Hughes was released after a few seasons because of injuries and a lack of production.

You always go with the likely-felon-not-felon in these situations. That's Veach 101.

seems like a fine deal, low risk. Contract year so he'll want to play real good.

Small sample sizes on both obviously, but overall I'd give the production edge to Hughes based on his best season vs Bakers best

Not trying to argue for either of them really, both are a roll of the dice... just providing some stats to consider

Baker
https://www.nfl.com/players/deandre-baker/stats/

Hughes
https://www.nfl.com/players/mike-hughes/stats/

So they got him for nothing and that's fine but the guy appears to be a broke dick. The ACL can be overlooked - it happens but I had forgotten about the broken neck. A broken neck for a CB is not a good thing at all. I wonder what he has left to offer. The trade for a late rounder is one hell of a gamble (being positive) - I hope it pays off and Spags can get him on point. Fingers crossed!

Heard on the radio Patrick Petersons 8mil cap is higher than all of the Chiefs cornerbacks combined. That's crazy.

Bretts playing 5D chess

Everyone else is playing Candyland

Low risk move, why not. If it works out, it’s a steal. If not, meh, cut him and move on.

That’s now two former first round CB’s we’ve traded for in last 2 years. Hopefully one of those two ‘hit’ and figure it out.

At least with Hughes, he should have some value as a returner if the CB thing doesn’t work out.

We’ll see, I guess . . . . .

Baker was a FA signing after being cut.

No idea who Mike Hughes is and I don't watch enough Vikings games to form an opinion.

I've given Bart Vouch my general power of attorney, so it should go without saying that I trust him wholeheartedly to make this move.

love it.

One of these days we're going to hit the jackpot on one of these guys.

Breeland on Twitter

“Welp there u go”

Minnesota fan... I loved Mike Hughes out if the draft. Since then he's proved he can't cover and as a run stopping CB he got his neck broke... There's a reason this trade happened, and you're not dealing with the Raiders front office. We just turned a seventh ouch and into a sixth by giving you a completely destroyed prospect


Mike Hughes.. after breaking his neck and his knee..

Moving up a few spots from the 7th to 6th round is how title teams are built.

Emmanuel Ogbah and Taco Charlton were pretty useless too early in their careers.

Until they joined the Chiefs under Steve Spagnuolo’s defense. We’re OK taking a swing here.

Wow. You went from the top of the 7th to the bottom of the 6th. Such value.

We'll see, it was a nothing trade either way

Meanwhile, your QB is Kirk Cousins lol

Well, Bye

Tells you what he thought of Hughes at the time of this draft and when he would be possibly available(or better, making him available by approaching them first but we really don't know who approached who first) but yes I totally concur that a good GM never leaves any stone unturned but even better creates a stone to be turned when there are none, to meet a need.:thumb:

BOOM !!!


ROFLROFL

Mighty Mouse 2 - Electric Boogaloo

Now all the Vikings need is a head coach that is not such a prick with his kickers that they all become bums while playing for him.

I really like getting that 2018 first-round pick. It looks like Nick Chubb and Darius Leonard are both available.

ROFL Great catch

Potentially add Breeland to that group and you don’t have a single weak spot


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Wait, are you saying the Minny Ha Ha front office is better or worse than the Faiders?ROFL
YOUR veritable estimators of talent took said broke dick/can't cover cb IN THE FIRST ROUND, now you're selling him for about a 10 spot move up into the 6th round.
That's clever???LMAO

So?

it literally means nothing to KC.

We take fliers on these kinds of guys all the time, and sometimes it works out. He's still young, and the injuries weren't related or chronic. Maybe he gets healthy and some better coaching unlocks his potential.

If not, we literally do not give a shit.

I like you, noob.

When I first read it this afternoon, I thought it said 2022 first-round pick. I thought Beach might have won the trade.

Remember when the David Amerson pickup ruined the Chiefs. This is a smart gamble with huge upside.

Wow what a pickup by you guys. Really a Chess vs Checkers kind of move.

May have been a bit harsh, but the fact remains. Mike Zimmer doesn't just give up on cornerbacks. I truthfully wish Mike all the best, but I promise you neither Zimmer, nor Rick Speilman (our GM) are in the business of giving away useful players in the secondary. If you guys can bring him back, more power to you. It's one thing to have spinal fusion surgery when you're Peyton Manning at 38 years old. It's another thing when you're a dimeback at 25.

Maybe so, but based on this year's draft, all you did was move up from 14th in the seventh round to 31st in the 6th round in exchange for this guy. That's nothing. Maybe the guy will do absolutely nothing for the Chiefs, but all we gave up for him was moving down 15 spots with our pick in the 6th round!

Not quite. We got you to pay his salary for the year. And as much as you all would like to think we don't know what we're doing, I promise you that money is meant for someone who can actually help our team.

Paying salaries is part of the game. Let's not pretend that you won't be paying the salary of whomever you add to the team in his place. This guy isn't going to bust our salary cap and if he is able to perform this year, whatever we pay him will be a pretty good bargain. If he doesn't perform, it will have been a flyer that was worth the risk.

Job security for LDT.

Of course it is. So you know, this is a front office that just fleeced the league in round 1 not 2 weeks ago. Mike Hughes was a great talent, he even had a rookie year that showed a ton of potential. Then he broke his neck. Since then I believe he's played a total of 4 games in 2 years and was nothing like the player he once was. He couldn't get on the field when we had rookies and UDFA's playing in what our coach openly called "the worst defense he's ever coached at any level", and Mike Zimmer is obsessed with his secondary.

As I said, I wish Mike Hughes the best, but the chances of him doing anything at all are almost nill. Decent flyer on a player, but I'll be amazed if he even gets through training camp.

Pretty sure this is the same front office that paid Cousins a ton of guaranteed money as well.

Lurked and saw Vikings forum on the guy. Big disappointment for them. He was okay when on the field but he’s a broke dick.

I don’t mind those guys as depth

I'd say the fleecing came several days before the draft:

Orlando Brown protecting Pat Mahomes sounds a helluva lot better than Darrisaw protecting Cousins!

EDIT: Also forgot that we got a top linebacker in the draft as a result of the Brown trade as well! But keep fleecing away Vikings!

Can't wait to see what your GM does with that 32nd pick in the 6th round! Watch out Chiefs fans, we just got fleeced!

Let's be realistic about what you got in return though. You moved up a few spots into the 6th round in exchange for a player. You didn't get a draft pick free and clear, because we got a pick in return. However, even if you did get that 6th round pick free and clear, what has Spielman done with 6th round picks in the last few years?

2017
Bucky Hodges selected with pick #201. Released 9-12-17

2018
Colby Gossett selected with pick #213. Waived 9-1-18
Ade Aruna selected with pick #218. Injured, then waived 8-31-19.

2019
Armon Watts selected with pick #190. He played in 23 games with 1 start and had 42 tackles combined and 2 sacks.
Marcus Epps selected with pick #191. Waived 11-6-19
Oli Udoh selected with pick #193. He played 7 games with 0 starts.

2020
Blake Brandel selected with pick #203. Waived 9-5-20
Josh Metellus selected with pick #205. He played 15 games with 9 tackles.


I only went back to 2017, but it's not like you guys have amazing success with these 6th round picks and the 6th round pick we traded you is likely to be very near the end of the 6th round as opposed to those listed above. What you got in return for trading us a player and a pick is not much at all.

So we dropped 1 late round pick for another late round pick AND a player? Consider the Vikes were at 14 this year and we were at 31. The Vikes aren't going to get that much better and we'll still be at the bottom of each round. Veach is the man!!

This provided us with the opportunity to use our original 2nd rounder to draft the best center in the draft as well. We did quite well this offseason.

Since he is only 24 and has youth on his side, maybe more of a sprained dick?

You guys literally gave up on your first rd corner Xavier Rhodes and he went to another team and had a decent year last season.

First I’ve ever heard the term “run stopping CB”. LOL!

First I heard the Vikings are smarter than everyone else.

Seriously, Minnesota fan wants to do this over Mike ****ing Hughes?

We know what we got. And we know what we gave up (nothing).

If he turns out to be broke, and he probably is, we're out NOTHING.

JFC, what a stupid thing to argue about. But I guess that's what happens when you have a mediocre QB making $45M guaranteed.

So his prorated bonus is against the Vikes cap? His base salary was 1.8/m which is ours , only 600k guaranteed so we're on the hook for very little

The more i read about his first two years as a pro the more i think that, if this guy even makes the team, it'll be as the last corner on the depth chart and he stuck because of his return abilities.

If i were a betting man i'd wager he gets injured in training camp.

I was about to bring up Stefon Diggs, but he went in the 5th round, not the 6th.

I know 6th round picks aren't supposed to be franchise cornerstones or anything, but that's really not much of a list you brought up. There are a couple nice depth guys the Vikings got on the list you put up, but again, it's all relative for what 6th rounders generally get you.

Going back past 2017, the next most recent noteworthy 6th round selection for the Vikings (infamous to the franchise, though) would be taking Blair Walsh in 2012.

If you want an honest-to-goodness good solid starting player drafted in the 6th round by the Vikings, you have to go back to 1998 with Matt Birk.

Absolutely!

We didn't give up much of anything

the only real risk is a potential injury settlement because of his neck.


Worth it. I hope that doesn't mean Breeland isn't coming back though.

I doubt this guy has anything to do with Breeland.

We're talking about two different areas of the depth chart.

This guy enriches competition on the back end of the roster. He's here to compete with Baker and Keyes.

Breeland is an immediate starter.

Rumor is that the Chiefs got fleeced lol.....

Don't know that we have a lot of luck with consistently broken people coming in and suddenly being luckier health wise. I'm interested how much faith he has in his body at this point, and will he play afraid because of it. Didn't give up much at least.

Over the years of being a fan of the Chiefs, I can recall some horrible trades that left us worse off and in some cases, much worse off. Some of those trades set the franchise back severely. There is no way in hell that this trade will ever be seen as having set the franchise back even slightly, though the upside is distinctly possible.

How lame is your team when you go register on a perennial SB contender's fanboard to chortle over how you think they got fleeced on a 6th rounder trade?

I mean, really?

I'm willing to bet that Veach gets a more productive player with the 7th rounder than the Vikings will get with the 6th rounder. As evidence for my claim, I will merely point at Veach and say, "He's Veach".

If this is the move that we can look back on and say "Wow, Veach went full blockhead with that one!", I think I'll eventually be ok with it.