This is the best team the Chiefs have ever had. They nearly went undefeated last year. This team is much better. I believe.

Pfft. If you're 16-0 you don't rest your starters, you go for it. Would be a complete disrespect to the team to do otherwise. The Colts actually did that years back and it caused bad blood along with failure in the playoffs anyway.

He said 15-0 AND 16-0.

Sure, if you're one game away from an undefeated season, go for it. But the goal is winning a championship, period end of story. If you're sitting at 15-0 with 2 games left and have already wrapped everything up, you don't play 2 full games just to try and get a perfect season.

That’s a nice thought until Mahomes or Tyreek or another key starter God forbid sustains an injury in a game with no playoff implications just to get to an undefeated record.

Eric Fisher goes down in essentially garbage time of the AFC Championship Game and it effectively cost the Chiefs the Super Bowl.

Not again.

If you rest starters and win the Super Bowl, you’ll never regret it. Maybe wonder “what if?”, but no regrets.

If you don’t rest starters and lose a key player which costs you the Super Bowl, you’ll always regret it.

Why?

The Super Bowl is an unpredictable single elimination corporate event that the NFL can steer to their liking by instructing refs to throw bs P.I. and Holding flags. Winning it is obviously great but losing that game would do nothing to invalidate an 18-0 season in my mind.

I'd much rather go 18-0 and lose the Super Bowl than go 12-5 and lose it.

Patrick Mahomes wants to go down as being immortal. Going 20-0 would do that, let the kid dream!

The Super Bowl is basically who got hot at the right time/who got more timely help from the refs.

The best team only occasionally wins the Super Bowl.

ROFL

And yet going undefeated remains a completely unrewarded event. The whole discussion is stupid.

You'd rather lose more games over the course of the season than you win?

You're a strange "fan".

You kidding me you join a elite company of 1

Your hypothetical ended with a Super Bowl LOSS in both scenarios.

You're not even on topic.

That's why I'm laughing. At you.

If Patrick Mahomes' only accomplishment for the rest of his career is going undefeated one time and never winning another Super Bowl, he'll go down in history with guys like Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly.

That's quite the accomplishment.

Yeah, I get having that on your goal poster... but, it's not incredibly realistic in this day and age. Too much self imposed stress to finish perfect. It's all about the ring, few care how many wins you got along the way.

20–0 would be amazing. If there is anyone that can pull it off, it's Mahomes.

That Colts loss from a couple of years ago convinced me to never keep your hopes up when it comes to wanting an undefeated season. Just see how the season plays out and if it happens, let's just see it happen instead of anticipating or predicting it to happen.

If a team goes undefeated, everybody will "care". Would we talk about the 72 dolphins if they had lost one game in the regular season? Going undefeated gives you a pretty ironclad claim to being the greatest team in league history.

To truly go undefeated, you have to win a championship. Without that championship at the end, it's a footnote and nothing more.

This is interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_season
The best start from an NFL team who failed to complete a perfect regular season is shared by two teams:

the 2009 Indianapolis Colts, who started 14–0 before losing their final two regular season games to the New York Jets and the Buffalo Bills to finish 14–2

the 2015 Carolina Panthers, who went 14–0 before losing to the Atlanta Falcons and going on to finish the regular season 15–1.

Four other teams have started 13–0 before losing their fourteenth game: the 1998 Denver Broncos, 2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2009 New Orleans Saints and 2011 Green Bay Packers.

We all know about the 16-0 Patriots finishing 1 game shy of the SB at 18-1

'84 49ers, '85 Bears and '07 Patriots tie for the most total wins (18) in a season through the SB.

Well, yeah. I believe Mahomes said 20-0, which would include a Super Bowl win.

Of course but that's not where we are at in the discussion. BWillie took us down the path of talking about an either/or scenario.

Of course, if you can can go 20-0, that's an amazing accomplishment.

BWillie said going 18-1 is a bigger accomplishment than winning a Super Bowl.

In a veritable sea of bad takes on CP over the years, his ranks up there with the very worst.

I missed that take, but if that's the case I agree. For me the only interesting discussion is "rest/no rest" if you get to 15-0/16-0. The Patriots were very open that they were going for undefeated and played all 16 games. If I had to guess I think Andy would do the same.

He’ll never be in their company, because he has a ring

Just use the Roman numerals.

How can I? He used years. I was responding directly to a question.

18-1 with six of those wins coming against the horrible AFC Least (no other team finished above .500 in the AFC Least that season).

That makes their 18-1 sans Super Bowl season even less impressive.

Good chance for 6k passing too. More 50td seasons,

This has to be the bottom line. Keep the focus on the finish line, not winning every stage.

If going 20-0 there would be little argument to who the actual GOAT is considering it wouldn't need an *

Well, he's basically PB Lite.

Theoretically, a team could go 21-0 if another team in its conference is also undefeated and wins the tiebreaker for the #1 seed.

The undefeated team that loses the tiebreaker would be #2 seed and could win 4 postseason games.

NFL players know how the '72 Dolphins players celebrate when the last undefeated team suffers it's first defeat. Imo, an undefeated season means more to the members of the undefeated championship team than the fans could ever know. If they have a chance, I believe the Chief's players will want the chance to achieve football immortality.

Well, good luck with all that...

4 pages devoted to why Mahomes' goal of 20-0 is unrealistic. You gotta be kidding me.

Obviously it's just a personal goal to keep himself motivated.

I will take 3-4 titles over one season of undefeated.

That's just me.

I don’t think it’s going to happen for any team any time soon, especially now they they are adding a 17th game. You almost have to catch every break all year long to even have a chance.

He may have had a few beers there at the golf course also.

This is a great post! :thumb:

If not to win the game, why do they play?

Do not the majority of competitors in any sport wish to go undefeated or is PM the first?

;)

Gimmie those titles!!!

I never thought as a fan I would experience an era of football like we are now. We're on the verge of a dynasty. It's absolutely incredible.

If you mean that KU fans think it’s more impressive to win 14 straight conference titles than 1 national title....yeah, I’d say it is. Without a doubt.

That must be what this is about. He knows that he needs to pull off something insane to get “back” into the GOAT conversation (as silly as that is). Doing something that no one has ever done and that Brady failed to do would definitely do the trick.

I have high hopes he can eventually throw 8 (or more) TDs in a game. That's a record that's ripe to be broken. He can definitely do it. It'll take a barnburner of a game but it'll come.

Or maybe he just called this out because it is the ultimate "team" goal and that's what he's really all about.

I think it have to be in a shootout where as they'd have to keep him in the game and not get pulled just like Derrick Thomas had 6 sacks against the Raiders in the 3rd quarter but unforgivably they sat him on the bench he deserved to get the record or beat his own record I should say.


**** yeah i've said Patricks first season he could throw for 8 tds in a game I'm expecting it and now I think he can do it more than once in a season and a few times in his career. It could also be done against a very good defense like when we rushed 8 TDs against the number 1 ranked rushing defense the Atlanta Falcons.

The sky is the limit with this team with Patrick Mahomes II at quarterback and I don't think 20-0 is too much of a lofty goal to have and it certainly would motivate Patrick but as long as they stay focused on the games in front of them like the Browns first game that is the most important win at this point in the season.

I bet Patrick Mahomes II could bowl a perfect game if he wanted too.

He is the NFL’s Chuck Norris.

Good to set high expectations but this team is not a 20-0 team. No way. That's extremely hard to do if not almost impossible.

That doesn't mean this team can't win the SB but D is not solid enough for 20-0 and our offense really needs to get back on track after that embarrassing SB performance. Plus injuries you never know who will get hurt

Only in the minds of ku fans and maybe Atlanta Braves fans.


There are many ways.

The Chiefs are arguably improved on both offense and defense from a squad that went 14-1 without really breaking a sweat, the lone loss coming in a fluke game, and then cruised on the AFC side of the playoff bracket before being favored in the Super Bowl.

19-0-1 compromise

I agree, it is. It absolutely is. One is an achievement that may never be broken in Power 5 conference basketball. On the flip side, it's just a team winning a single elimination tournament.

I'd personally rather enjoy the ride than solely the one game at the end of the year, because the latter makes for a pretty miserable sports fan existence... but, it's also pretty easy to see the differences between only caring about playoff/SB success versus NCAA championships.

One is a bunch of dumb college kids who have to win 6 straight in a tournament where only a handful of teams have won multiple titles over the course of 30-40+ years, against teams that are routinely capable of big upsets...... and one is a professional sport where the regular season is largely pointless, and once you hit the QB lottery, you're automatically put in a class of a few teams that may only need to win 3 postseason games per year, largely against teams that you have a distinct advantage over.

I personally don't solely care about SB victories, but the regular season is absolutely pointless at this point for the Chiefs, so I couldn't care less about beating up on shitty teams all year and going undefeated in the regular season.... just fast forward to mid-late January so we can watch the best versus the best in games that actually matter.

Yeah, try selling that to non-kansas fans and see how it goes. Oh, sure, we only won one title during this stretch, but we won our division all these years in a row. Do baseball fans care that the Atlanta Braves won the AL East 11 straight times? Do NFL fans care that the Patriots won the AFC East 11 straight times?

Or do they talk about the Braves choking and only winning one title in all those years, and talk about how awesome the Patriots are for winning 3 SB in that timeframe? (And also point out things like the extreme homefield advantage Patriots/Brady received, or the expanded strike zone Braves starters got... similar to the extreme home court whistle at Allen Fieldhouse).

Which baseball team is perceived as having more success in the first 20 years of the 21st century - the Braves or the Giants? The Giants had a 5-year run where they won 3x. Meanwhile, the Braves won their division 10 times in that span and have zero World Series wins.

And then there's the "Shared title" component of the achievement...

What are those four asterisks?

Oh, well, four of the titles are shared.

But you were the 1 seed in the conference tournament those years, right (Indicating if there was a tie breaker, you would have won the league regular season title)?

Actually, we were the 2 seed 3 of those 4 times.
... ... Okay... Cool story, bro.

14 division/conference titles in a row is impressive, sure. But it's a "trivia" level accomplishment that is less important/memorable than winning the whole thing.

One could say exactly the same about college basketball. That the regular season is meaningless, that the team that is going to win in all likelihood is going to be a blue blood university with an elite all time coach. You'll have quirky outliers, but the sport is dominated by special "haves" classes who define the quality of their season on how they do once the Sweet 16 round kicks in.

I'm not a Super Bowl or bust guy or anything. But they trump any sort of regular season accomplishment for an NFL team and especially the Chiefs.

The only way the Chiefs going undefeated is significant is IF they complete the perfect season in the playoffs. THEN it becomes a monumental achievement.

Mahomes is all in on winning. I really don't know why there is so much bitching going on in this thread.

Great! Every player should have this goal and this attitude!

Of course, Andy has to temper this enthusiasm with decisions that are best for the team overall, which means resting starters if/when the postseason schedule is decided in order to win championships.

How many more championships would you expect from Kansas in the past few decades (just using "in my lifetime" as the metric, since I personally don't care about things that happened in the 50s)?

To be on UK's level, they need one more title in the past 40 years... UNC, +2... Duke, +3.

Sure, one or two more titles in my lifetime would have been great, but they also don't have seasons that end in the NIT or worse like the other 3 teams mentioned (and sure, their fans don't care because they have the extra titles).


IMO, the difference is the level of parity... CBB's regular season is more interesting to me because teams can't just sleepwalk through a conference schedule and get a 1 seed. But, you could say the regular season is largely pointless due to that parity, even though you see far more ranked vs. ranked matchups than marquee NFL matchups.

OTOH, the Chiefs were literally talking about how they just wanted to fast forward to the postseason all of last year, how they were opening the playbook in January, etc.

In the past couple of seasons, if you said "take the Chiefs or the field", most people would probably take the Chiefs... just like for most of 20 seasons, you would take the Patriots over the field.

I don't think that's really true for CBB, outside of say Kentucky's 2012 pre-NBA team.

Bottom line is that Patrick Mahomes doesn't like to lose! What else would you expect out of him after that horrible loss to the Buccaneers in the Superbowl? He has to have a sour taste in his mouth and the only cure for that is to go out and destroy every opponent in his way to another Superbowl victory! I wouldn't expect any other response from him, let's sit back and enjoy the ride!

I get that you're a Missouri fan and probably refuse to credit KU for any achievements....but what exactly are you arguing? You don't think that 14 straight Big 12 titles is more impressive than one nat'l title? It's immaterial anyway since they did win one in that stretch. But there's no way you can argue that it's more impressive to get hot for 6 games than to dominate one of the top leagues for 14 years.

I'm not comparing a national dynasty to a conference streak. I'm comparing one national title to 14 straight conference titles in one of the top leagues.

To act like only KU fans appreciate the achievement is ridiculous. In fact, I probably appreciate it less than a lot of national analysts because it got boring and expected about halfway through. Bilas and others have called it one of the great achievements in sports history. When Virginia beat Texas Tech, did you hear anyone call it one of the great achievements in sports history?

ROFL

This thread should be in hall of craptastics. Awful.

My argument?

That winning titles in sports is more memorable and important than even rare and cool and notable regular season accomplishments.

The conversation WAS about weighing which was more memorable/important - an undefeated regular season that doesn't end with a Super Bowl win, or a 5-loss regular season that does end with a Super Bowl win. That's the context my original comment dropped into.

Unless you're a ku fan. As several of them (you?) have shown in this thread. What's more impressive on the national landscape: North Carolina winning 3 national titles (and 9 conference titles, with a long "streak" of 3 years) since Williams and Self got there? Or kansas winning 1 but pulling off the 14* year title streak?

Which baseball team is considered to have been better this century - the Braves with all their division titles and long division title streak, or the Giants with their World Series wins?

End point: Focus on the winning the Super Bowl. If they can add some cool trivia items along the way, awesome. But regular season accomplishments are distantly secondary to postseason ones.

What's more impressive, KU winning 14 conference championships and one title

Or Mizzou fans winning absolutely nothing but commenting on KU the entire time desperately trying to undersell their success meanwhile trying to convince us that wrestling is important

I'd say that Roy's 3 titles are more impressive, but I don't consider a lone title to be a bigger achievement.

This seems to keep morphing into different arguments. If you want to say it's more memorable to win one natty vs 14 straight Big 12 titles, that's a matter of personal opinion. But I'm not sure how you can say it's a more impressive feat to win six games in one postseason than to dominate one of the top leagues for 14 years straight. Come on.

Again...national analysts have called that streak one of the greatest achievements in sports history. No one has said that winning one single title is one of the greatest achievements in sports history.

There wasn't another team in the country who was consistently good enough during those years to have matched what they did. Even Duke had a few down years during that run. It's just silly to me to downplay something that no other program could have achieved.

But enough on that.

And yeah, it's lunacy to argue that any season that ends in a loss is better than one that ends with a SB victory.

Exactly.

"More memorable" can easily be championship or not and it's highly subjective. I watched "40-16" KU/UNC in the Final Four with my dad in KC, which was more memorable than DVR'ing the NC game against Memphis due to work and then watching it alone in my apartment in Omaha.

One of my absolute favorites was beating Duke and that douchebag Grayson Allen in the Final Four.... or there's the relatively unexpected run of 2012... or way back to the vastly underrated KU/Texas rivalry.

And for the Chiefs, the 2018 AFCCG ranks right up there with the past two in terms of being memorable, even though of course neither compare to the SB comeback.


But then the argument changes to importance/impressive on the national landscape..... yeah, don't care at all what ESPN thinks. They once ranked a horse as one of the top athletes of all time.

And then 'better this century'... of course, most people will look at titles first.


And that conversation isn't black and white, IMO... the Chiefs could go undefeated in the regular season (meh), then beat the Raiders and then a 52 year old Tom Brady playing for the Broncos in the playoffs, then lose in overtime in a 45-44 on a last second field goal.
....or they could go 12-5 and beat a couple of shit teams in the playoffs, then some unmemorable AFCCG, and some Patriots/Rams type of boring ass SB that would only have any entertainment value at all because the Chiefs were playing in it.

But yeah, most people would still look back on one with negativity for not closing the deal in the much more memorable season, and positively that at least they won a SB in a year where they might not have deserved one... guess I'd go back to saying enjoy the ride. :shrug:

Adam Teicher... LMAO

Link: https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-cit...ot-come-easily

They talked about this on 810 today. Evidently, Mahomes was specifically asked about going undefeated- and now the hacks in the media are trying to make it like he is arrogant.

How many times will they keep repeating that the Chiefs lost the SB?

You only build 'em up to tear 'em down. Sweat sucks

Not sure of the odds but I am guessing there are a few teams with equal odds as the chiefs in going 20-0. I am getting a bit nervous about the Dolts right now. On paper they are getting lethal....if their coaching is decent, they are contenders for this division right now. Yes I know there are idiotic fans that say they are going to be good every year but this year feels a bit different to me. Hope I am wrong.

Herbert feels like a star ready to explode. I agree that they have a great collection of talent and now they don't have Lynn to hold them back anymore.

Now it seems more possible.

LET THE BOY DREAM!!!!

Mahomes wants to be known as the greatest quarterback of all time. That much is obvious. And I would argue it's the very best trait for our qb to have.

If the team is ever in contention for an undefeated season, I assume they go for it. Superbowls are the ultimate measuring stick, but I think I would take an undefeated season with a Superbowl win than two, or even maybe three, with more normal regular seasons.

An undefeated season culminating in a Superbowl win would be iconic. Long after Jesus retires we would re-live the season every time the last remaining team loses. Glory forever.

I agree that it is highly, highly doubtful. Too many variables. But I love the dream.

As pointed out in this thread he was asked about going undefeated. Of course this "independent reporter" can't be bothered to follow up on a quote he saw on Twitter. Why the **** are you still posting here anyway? Pretty weird use of your time.

They hired a defensive head coach and are bringing in a whole new system.

Herbert could just as easily regress.

I'll always remember them as the team that lost a 3-1 series lead to the Cavs. I hardly remember their stupid record.

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"I believe the question I was asked is, what record did I want to break?'' Mahomes said. "To me, records don't mean anything if you're not winning that last game at the end of the season. It's about going in every single week with the mindset that we're trying to win, we're going to win. And at the end of the day whatever the record is, if it's 20-0 or wherever it is, you win that last game of the season and you're going to be happy with whatever happened earlier in the season.

"People get all hyped up about saying 20-0 because you have to take it one week at a time, but at the end of the day you want to continue to win every single week. I'm not going into the season hoping I lose any games."

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