Yep, and the Donko's will collapse wins against the jets, jags, and giants ?

ROFL spare me

Do the Broncos get to keep playing the Giants and Jaguars and Jets every week?

i can take the end of mahomes spectacular septembers

i cannot take the end of donk dominance

we must sweep them

Denver may walk out of October with only one win, the WFT

Yeah, the Raiders' 3-0 is far and away more impressive at this point.

And the Broncos have already played their two last place teams, so I believe the only difference at this point is the Raiders play the Colts later on while the Broncos still have the Ravens... so I guess they're saying all is equal except the Broncos would beat the Ravens and Raiders would drop the Colts? :shrug:

Yeah, doesn't make sense, even with a small difference.

Yeah, it's definitely the schedule, but it's still a bit hard to wrap your mind around. They've already played two of their three "last place" games (Jaguars and Jets), so those don't matter anymore. They still have the Lions (while we have the Packers), so that's another almost gimme for them.

Still, you wouldn't think a two-game lead would carry that much weight. Guess we'll see.

Oops, yeah so the Raiders get the Bears and Broncos get the Lions.

More broadly, I think I may have underestimated the impact that adding a third game that is based on division ranking would have. Maybe it's just because there are so many awful teams these days, but just look at this:

Chiefs - Bills, Titans, and Packers
Raiders - Dolphins, Colts, and Bears
Chargers - Patriots, Texans, and Vikings
Broncos - Jets, Jaguars, and Lions

I know that's 100% on purpose, but man, that's a pretty big disparity in quality across those three games.

at this point I think it'll ultimately come down to being between the Chargers and the Chiefs. I don't trust Gruden enough yet, and Broncos ha ha no. It'll still most likely be the Chiefs winning the div once the Chargers Charger themselves out of winning it.

I see Chiefs finishing first and Broncos finishing last, while both the Raiders and Chargers could finish either second or third depending on what happens, they are too shaky to accurately predict right now. This MNF game coming up will tell us more about the two teams.

If the Chiefs were 3-0, I probably wouldn't even put a ton of effort in finding their game this week and dealing with any streaming issues (assuming we don't get it here), especially after catching some of MNF last night and with the weather being amazing (they either win easily or it would just be frustrating). .. and I might actually watch MNF this week.

It's definitely elevated my interest some, given the Chiefs' rough start and putting some importance behind these early season games now.

That’s exactly what the NFL wants.


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It’s why I’m rooting for the Faid over the Chargers on MNF.


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KC is not winning the division. I'd bet the Raiders do. I think KC and the Chargers will both be WC teams. Denver will finish last.

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That does suck and meanwhile douche bag Brady avoids the other div champs because he was wild card team. The NFL will blow a nut if the Raiders and Chargers met in the playoffs. Chargers vs Rams Super Bowl would be a full on league orgy.

Hard to say. If defense gets its head out of its aas and the offense stops giving the ball away like a drug dealer giving away free meth on a Saturday night then yes maybe.

I don't think it's unreasonable (at all) to ask this question this year.

Still LOLing at this.

We lock up the #1 seed in the AFC with 1 or 2 games to play.

:shake: Throwing in the towel after four games.

We only have 13 games left to bridge the 2 game gap with the division leader- impossible!

That was after only 3 games.

Nobody in the division is that scary. We should have beat LA if not for dumb turnovers and it wouldn't have been close.

Raiders? Nah. Broncos? Nah.

Ravens should have lost to us as well. Buffalo got beat by Tennessee who isn't doing shit now. Pitt? Nope.

We dont have any real worries as long as we stay out of our own way. The only team that beats KC is KC and I think we will get better not worse.

Buffalo lost to Pittsburgh, not Tennessee.

ROFL

The sky fell hard on a few guys last week.

I understand being concerned with the defense, but at least we’re in every game unless we have a line full of third stringers starting.

Hell, look at the Rams today. Their defense is getting trashed and their offense can’t do much. That never happens to us.

We just need a couple stops to take control, and sometimes we don’t even need that. We were an interception away today from possibly scoring a TD on every drive this week. The offense really is THAT good. Hard to imagine us losing a game when we don’t turn the ball over.

Same point.

The division-leading Donks took a beating tonight. The first step to slumping back to suckville.

For those who are down on this team, which teams do you think KC can't beat?

I think the consensus is that we can beat any team, but that we can lose to nearly any team as well.

KC's turnovers are the biggest reason we are 2-2 and not 4-0.

This is correct. I’m reverting to 2018 expectations. I’m only judging this team by the offense. No turnovers = we win.

I think there are 10 or so teams that would have little chance of beating the Chiefs.

At this point, I dont see KC beating Buffalo, Tennessee, Green Bay, Las Vegas (one game), and Pittsburgh. I'm on the fence about Dallas and the Giants. KC has historically played like ass when on the road in NY. As much as I hate to say it, I even have a feeling that KC loses to Denver.

Holy shit dude...:spock:

Tennessee just lost to the Jets. Please tell me you are joking. Pittsburgh is horrible this year. The Giants are also awful. Not sure if you are trolling or serious.

Not trolling...If KC doesnt score a TD on nearly every drive and has zero turnovers, this team is capable of losing to any of those teams.

Lol

I think most expect to lose some more games, but I don't see any teams on the schedule that they can't beat. Even if the D doesn't improve, which I expect to happen.

I think KC would have to make a lot of mistakes to lose to the Giants or Pittsburgh.

I didn’t think the Ravens were better than us. I felt like we unwisely played them like a cat playing with a mouse the whole game. And it bit us in the end with the CEH fumble.

I also didn’t think the Chargers were better. We aren’t going to have four turnovers again this year.

In the bottom 1/3 of outcomes we might lose to Buffalo, Green Bay and two other random games. Sure it is always possible that we repeat 2004, but that isn’t the most probable outcome at all.

Maybe I misunderstood the question, but if KC loses to a team it's technically a team they 'couldnt beat'...I listed those teams that KC most likely loses this year.

I dont think losses to Pitt or NYG is all that improbable. Quite likely, in fact.

C’mon, you are way smarter than this. Just because team A beats team B on any given Sunday does not mean team A is the better team or that team A will even be favored in a rematch.

This team does not have that luxury...I'm pretty sure you might be right, and I've been frustrated that Andy doesnt go 'pedal to the metal' every game. I do think he exposes only as much as necessary, but this team cant live on the razors edge.

Again, this team has no margin of error and it's been replete with 'errors' all season so far.

I respect your statistical analysis, cdcox...Always appreciated that from you. I'm guessing at least 7 losses and maybe backing into a playoff spot and a quick flameout thereafter.

I think the term is 'Any given Sunday'...sometimes the 'better' team does not win.

I'm not saying KC wasnt the better team, instead I'm saying their play currently doesnt indicate to me they're going to win the games I listed.

And if KC doesn't turn it over like they were, they are capable if beating anyone. KC has beaten themselves far more than anyone has beaten KC this year.

I agree that we have less margin for error this year than the past three. Today it seemed like Andy realized that. I think we are still a healthy margin better than an average NFL team, as long as Andy utilizes the whole offense for the whole game.

Against the NFL elite it all depends on how we are playing. If the OL comes together, if the defense can play “average”, we can run with anyone.

Why do you think those two are likely?

Personally, I think this team will make the doomsayers look kind of foolish by the end of the year. I see them ultimately becoming much more balanced than they are currently, and I see the offense becoming a complete juggernaut.

I would agree...that and a defense that cannot stop anyone.

I think turnovers will regress to the mean (fewer than the first 4 games) and Andy will not harness the offense in order to eek out a win. I also think somehow Spags gets more out of the defense down the stretch.

Big...BIG... If's in that statement. Without new talent or a major change of philosophy, I dont see this defense changing anytime soon

If the defense continues to suck as bad as they have, this team will be lucky to win nine games.

Well, I guess it's a good thing we play NY at home then, huh?

For Pittsburgh, you might recall the last time KC played in Pittsburgh, they almost got to a 35-0 lead and barely walked out of there with a win. Pitt roasted KC's defense to catch up and ultimately get within one score. If KC doesnt get to get a 4-5 TD lead in their next game, I dont like the potential outcome.

As for NYG...i read the schedule wrong...see my next post.

Frankly, they could lose to the Wooft...but I'm not willing to go that far.

You are correct...I misread the schedule. I'd say the chances of a KC win in that game improve dramatically...the only thing that gives me pause is its a national game and KC typically pulls out the 'monkey ****ing a football' look on national TV.

They won 12 in 2018 with a defense as bad or worse than this one.

We just blew out the Eagles today. :huh:

4 games in but it sounds like the season is over for you. Maybe listening to too much Petro and Adam Teicher? Best wishes.

It's week 4. Not overly concerned.....yet. We were better the last two years and we still have a majority of our better players. We didn't lose anyone of significance this year, so we will see. I just know that if we don't make so many silly mistakes on offense and turn it over like we did we are 4-0.

'blew out'...is a relative term and if you want to call what you saw a 'blow out', I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

Didnt say the season is over, I said the team playing the way it is shows me nothing to indicate SB caliber and frankly more frustrating losses.

I dont know what a Petro is and never heard or read Adam Teicher...just my watching this team for 30 years...this team has a SB hangover and it's evident.

Not even average... they were on track to beat the Ravens despite the 36 points allowed. CEH doesn't fumble and take off a TD from the Chargers to win that game and they're 4-0 while allowing 29.5 points per game.

There's really no evidence that the offense has to be near perfect and commit zero turnovers or else they're in danger of losing to one of several teams on their schedule.

Of course, it needs to improve come playoff time, yet they've already beaten one of the best teams in the AFC and should have won a 2nd.

I appreciate your optimism...it's funny for the better part of 20 years on this forum, the season was over after the first preseason game and I used to rage at the posters who had given up already, and yet here I am...on the other end of that spectrum.

I am really disappointed in the team this far in the season. It is only week 4, but there is no indication, like the years before, that this team has the ability to dominate a game and dictate to the other team.

It's most frustrating as you note that KC has not lost key talent. I mean, WTF happened...why has the defense regressed to the 2003 version so quickly.

I agree, they're 3 plays from 4-0...but yet here they are 2-2/

Last year they weren't beating teams by enough.

In 2019, they were 6-4 with that ugly loss against the Titans in November.

In 2018, the defense sucked.

And I guess our spoiled asses can point to "only" one Super Bowl victory in that time along with hosting 3 AFCCGs and winning 2... guess I just don't understand why people choose pessimism over optimism with this team after decades of no hope at all.

Of course! I mean what is this teams goal? If they limp into the playoffs playing this kind of shit football, they dont move forward. THAT's my point!

Eh, at minimum we're probably still talking about the AFCCG... and like I said, they don't have to be top 15 or top 20 or top 25, they just have to be better than complete shit and they're competing for another SB victory.

That's what happened in 2018.

Maybe we are spoiled...dunno...it has been a great run so far.

I've watched this team suck the ever lasting suck year after year after year for the better part of 30 years. I've watched absolutely soul crushing playoff losses and stuck around. Forgive me if my PTSD as a Chiefs fan causes me to pause and think that this team might be regressing slightly.

I think I'm entitled to at least say that this defense looks eerily similar to one that we saw in 2003. It ****ing horrible and there's no indication of anything changing.

I want the team to make another run, but if they make Jalen Hurts look like Johnny Unitas, they've got problems.

Given this team's performance thus far, I would be ecstatic with that. So far, they've been complete shit on defense...especially redzone. If that doesnt change, I fail to see how KC makes it to the AFCCG.

I wish I knew why they dropped so much. All I can think of is Jones playing out of position and players not executing like they should. I fully expect Veach to go hard on defense and War this offseason.

They can outscore anyone. That's why they can make the AFCCG.

:) Lets hope...is it as easy to rebuild a D as it is an OL? Got to say, that OL is coming around. They really looked good against Philly. Keep that up and they're playing Gunther Cunningham football...well at least half anyway, running the ball and playing defense.

In Baltimore, they were on cruise control throughout much of the 2nd half. They seemed content with a double digit lead, both players and coaches. When the lead unexpectedly slipped away, they got serious again and began to methodically slice down the field on the final drive for the win. Then the unlikely fumble.

Last week, I think most of us agree that if you take away two or three careless mistakes, they win comfortably. Hell, if you just take away the questionable 4th down penalty, they probably win.

4-0 vs a tough schedule would have everybody feeling good about this team, regardless of defensive flaws. Obviously, these things happened and they didn't get it done, but history tells us that those problems aren't likely to continue. The offense generally closes games out well and mistakes are uncommon.

To lose the turnover battle 4-0 but still be in a position to beat a quality QB like Herbert was pretty impressive, to be honest.

He could by using the draft and the money freed from Clark, Reed, Hitchens, and Sorenson hopefully all being gone. The line, outside of Niang has looked pretty good so far.

That defense was better and this offense is worse.

LMAO

How is this offense worse? They are scoring at will. They clean up the turnovers and they become almost unstoppable. The defense in 2018 was epically bad. Remember that year KC scored 51.....and lost. Not defending this defense, just remembering how bad that defense truly was.

That offense didn’t have a turnover problem. I don’t need to remember scoring 51 and losing, next Sunday is setting up to be dejavu

2018 against the Patriots... two interceptions and settled for 3 FGs in the first half.

Against the Rams... fumble returned for a TD, a 2nd fumble, a pick six, and two other interceptions.

Not sure how that's different besides those losses being in the middle of the season with 7 turnovers in two games versus 7(?) in 4 games?

Imagine the outrage when the defense gives up 33 to the Rams, but 51 points weren't enough... apparently we were so outraged, we forgot the 5 turnovers and 21 points given back by the offense was the difference.

Chiefs will be 1 game back from the lead, but we only have 13 games to make up ground.

Seems impossible!!

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No team has ever won the AFCW more than 5 years in a row. We need to fix that.

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