If a guy in his second year is a broke dick...along with the other picks you aren't gonna be good.

If on average, your team scores on a higher percentage of possessions than your opponent, it doesn't matter how many possessions there are. In fact, you will reduce variance (getting bitten by bad luck) by having more possessions in the game. If you are our opponents, do you want to see the Chiefs play up tempo or seeking to grind clock? If I am playing against the Chiefs, I rejoice every time they throw short or run the ball. If the Chiefs take 15 plays to score, chances are better they will not covert a 3rd down or commit a penalty or turnover. We have to find a way to stay aggressive. We have Kelce and Tyreek. He have to make those player count.

Okay, here it goes.

1. Turnovers. Mahomes is pressing. Why is he pressing? See #2.

2. Defense. When the defense couldn’t stop a wet paper sack from getting a touchdown it causes the offense to feel like they need to do everything which leads to risk taking. This is a multipart fix and I’m not really sure where to begin other than start with healthy starters.

3. Running game. I am tired of seeing CEH only get 3-4 yards on runs that should go for 10-15. Something needs to change there. McKinnon needs to be given a shot as a change of pace. Williams and Burton are great for short yardage. But our running game needs a game buster at RB.

4. Gordon. He needs to be more involved. Ideally The depth chart should be 1. Hill 2. Gordon 3. Hardman 4. Pringle. I’m over Robinson he doesn’t bring anything to this offense.

Can this be fixed? Yes. I think we will trade for some defensive help. Possibly part ways with LDT to make that happen. The good news is that 3 losses isn’t insurmountable. There is a good chance we travel in the playoffs this year if we do turn it around.

Three players are in their first year on the OL. All but one are under 25. They are five games in during their first season together. They are playing notably better in the run game than the Chiefs OL from a couple of years ago. I am willing to give them time. But don't insist that Patrick throw from the pocket when he has a great record when scrambling.

Yeah just because he's leaving the pocket doesn't mean he's panicking. He likes to make throws from outside the pocket. It opens up throwing angles and puts pressure on the defense to cover Hill and Kelce longer. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on this shit.

I agree. But teams aren't budging from the 2 deep look because we have nothing to counter it with. Our WRs other than Hill suck. So either he breaks out and defeats the coverage himself or nothing happens.

Do you want Mahomes to just chuck 50/50 balls deep or something? Or how exactly do you think we're going to beat defenses if we don't show that the short stuff will kill them too? Why would safeties ever come down if we can't beat them with short passes or runs?

We don't have the back on the roster for #3. McKinnon is a training camp phenom. Save the running game for short yardage or when the game is salted. Mahomes or bust.

All but maybe one or two of his INT's this season were unlucky bounces off WR's hands.

And the 2nd INT tonight was just a great play by Rousseau.

It's not like he's throwing them recklessly into triple coverage.

Hope Darrell runs like Damien

Hope Gordan becomes a legit 2WR in our system.

Defense?

Front seven just isn't good enough, especially the LB corps.

I legit lol'd when Hitchens turned around and ran away from the play at one point when Moss turned a small catch into a big play.

The short stuff isn't killing them. It's helping them win. I think we aren't investing heavily enough in the 10 - 20 yard range. We have to use the entire field. When the +20 stuff got shut down, we seemed to default to the 5 and 10. We have too much talent to be running an Alex Smith offense like we did tonight.

....yeah. I don't think you're reading what I said.

Hardman, Robinson, and Pringle don't scare anybody and they're extremely limited. They should be abusing teams short and in the middle like Watkins used to. They don't so teams will never creep up. If they never creep up, we can't throw deep and get chunk plays as much.

This could all be solved if Gordon is legit. If he is, then teams will have to respect his ability and start coming down. Once they do that, bombs away.

Yep and a couple other interceptions were 3rd and long plays that basically ended up as short punts. Yeah, you don't want them to occur, but you can live with them. The fumbles have been the big issue. We're sitting pretty at 4-1 right now if our guys could hold on to the football. And that is even with our trash defense and brutal schedule. Mahomes has been amazing this year.

On offense, the intermediate passing game is there and works when the Chiefs make it a focused part of their gameplan... i.e. against Baltimore.

The turnovers and dropped passes need to get cleaned up obviously.

Also maybe the CEH injury will force Andy/EB to recognize that 1) Darrel Williams is the more explosive runner currently and 2) The Chiefs should not be running the ball on almost every first down.

On defense Sorensen needs to be benched/deactivated/cut... whatever keeps him off the field. Chris Jones/Frank Clark/Jarran Reed need to commit themselves to playing somewhere closer to their fat contracts and Spags needs to wake up to the reality that the Chiefs are not generating any type of consistent pressure from simply relying on their front four.

And on special teams any kickoff that is caught in the end zone should be kneeled down for a touchback.

Not play the Bills...

We can bench Sorenson, but the aids is already deep in the unit. They are werthers original ****ing stupid now.

Hitchens running hard to run away from the play, dirty Dan just randomly stopped on a route because???? The AIDS is deep.

That's kind of the beauty of playing that safe Cover 2 though. Dungy and Lovie Smith made a living at that. Play the Cover 2 all day and keep everything in front of you. Every time a ball goes through the hands of a WR, and it will happen, it's a potential INT.

I hope Darrell Williams touches don't go up even though I know they will. He's ok, but he's still not a "good" RB. Reid has to learn the concept of if you give a fast player a big hole, really good things will happen. I don't understand why McKinnon isn't involved more. Imagine his speed through the titanic sized holes CEH sees but can't fully exploit.

Cause for some idiotic reason this team is loyal to vets.

Naw. 3 -2. If you're gonna site fumbles as the reason for losses, you have to also look at the other side of the coin and apply it. We beat Cleveland b/c they fumbled.

What a terrible signing Hitchens turned out to be. Another great move by the genius Veach

He looks completely lost. I'm really not sure we lose anything just chucking in Bolton and Gay and hoping for the best. He is not diagnosing or reacting.

Hitchens is a very blah player...but a real issue we have is Willie Gay is the only LB we have that has actual NFL athletic talent.

Hitchens, Bolton, Niemann those guys are all below average NFL athletes, it's why they get bent over in coverage.

Yep, agreed. Think Bolton could have value in a limited role, but I'm far less excited by the pick now. That goes for a lot of guys.

We need to draft better and use those players better. We can't do much about injuries but Saunders, Nnadi, DOD, Watts, CEH, Thornhill, Sneed, Kaindoh, Gray, Hardman, Niang, Danna. Then Brown for a 1st and Reed, Hughes, Baker. It's not a great haul.

Obviously Smith looks a great pick, Creed as well. Hardman has a role as a gadget player. Thornhill is an upgrade on Sorensen. Other than that we've seen Thornhill and Sneed look OK in small patches and Nnadi as well - none of them look anywhere near good enough right now.

The fact players look completely unsure of their roles feels like a coaching issue. But there isnt the talent there on defence.

No mention of that noodle arm interception machine behind center needing to improve?

2 of his 6 interceptions are a direct result of him making a mistake. Three of them went through his receiver’s hands and one was a fluke/phenomenal play by a defensive end. Mahomes is not part of the problem.

The offense has moved the ball pretty much at will against every team they’ve played. It hasn’t been as flashy as in years past because of the deep cover 2 teams are playing, but they have been patient and methodical on offense. Turnovers is what has stymied the offense. I expect that to even out over the season.

I did like what I saw from the defense in the second half of this game. More aggressive, bringing pressure from different levels, and they played their younger, faster players. I believe the defense only gave up 7 points in the second half.

According to Reid post game, Hill injured his knee, Thuney fractured his hand, and Kelce had a stinger. If any one of these turns out to have long term ramifications we're in some serious ****ing shit.

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What even the **** is this?

Two of them are on him. The rest are dropped passes that ricocheted into the defender's hands, fluked tip ball at the line of scrimmage, and a stopped route.

Any update on super fan X-Factor getting KO’d on the lower level end zone stairs?

Thornhill for Sorenson is not enough because Sorenson will still be on the field due to the 3 safety look Spags prefers in dime situations.

Either Spags needs to go traditional in dime with Thornhill and Badger with 4 CB's or they need to cut Sorenson and sign his replacement.

Uh..... Wut?

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Exactly! Thornhill and Sorenson were on the field together a lot last night. Thornhill playing deep and Sorenson on a tight end. Would rather see Fenton on a tight end with Hughes, Baker, and Snead as the other CB's.

Frank Clark doesn't need to take anything.

He just needs to ****ing go away.

Kelce’s stinger is because Reid was being a complete moron at the end.

Don't worry, I'm sure in a presser he'll say it's his fault and he'll fix it, you know, what he says every single game...

Manufactured excuse that allows them to stroke their ego and not take full responsibilty for their poor play.

Another manufactured excuse.

its over chiefs players are making excuses and not taking responsibility for anything that is happening.

its not a good look for any type of turnaround.

To me it looks like a Super Bowl hangover. Speaking of the Super Bowl, at this point it looks like it could be Rams and Chargers at SOFI which would be crazily ironic on a bunch of different levels.

Looked like cover 2 all night more or less, to me. But I didn't see the all 22.

What the does that Even mean ?..a superbowl hangover?...such a dumb term,. .
its a shit defense and an offense that is starting to look like a 1 trick pony if a basic cover two can shut them down. .

andy reid hasnt coached a good game since his son drove around drunk

Spags is eating reerun sandwiches all year

Zero heart on this team. .

Mathieu has disappeared . .

Mahomes is having some kind of breakdown like when a 2nd baseman cant throw to first base aka the yips.. throwing balls in the dirt... behind people.. and ints. .

we have an easy schedule so we'll make the playoffs but we'er not a Superbowl contender at this moment

Oh yeah, every team wishes that they too could have just as shitty of a defense that you "lead"

Yeah, it's rare that corners cover receivers, then a couple of safeties cover them on the back side. THAT'S SO RARE PAT

It sounds like the attitude needs to change as well; not liking the excuses from the team leaders.

Winning covers up a lot of warts, losing can bring out the true character.

I know everyone loves Hill; he seems to be looking around for a defensive player to make contact before he has the ball. Two big drops today, one that went thru his hands and hit him in the facemask (like the SB) and a second which resulted in a pick 6. I think expecting him to catch passes in traffic is a poor strategy. He's simply not made for it. Really need someone not named Mahomes, Hill or Kelce to step up.

I haven't seen many players on this team that line up and beat the guy on the other side. Success has gone to their heads.

All these quotes tell me is that the entire team expected to just sleepwalk through the regular season again. Look at last year. How many wins were close games that we only won because we decided to actually try in the second half? They all thought they could do that shit this season and now it isn’t going their way.

Yeah, that above all else is incredibly damning. No wonder the team has been playing so sloppy and lackadaisical. Mathieu in particular is expected to be a leader and that's the bullshit he's trying to peddle.

This team is soft right now. This is the NFL. If you come out with no desire to hit you will get punched in the mouth.

Linebackers were a joke against Allen scrambles. QB running you need to hit him.

Scheme. Spags 1st half was mind boggling.

Book on Allen is keep 2 high safeties, don't let him get comfortable with knowing your coverage. We showed our hand, brought no pressure, then left Sorenson as the deep safety.

Sorenson is not that. He can play coverage linebacker and blitz.

Our linebackers are slow and or have bad instincts. No more read and react. Just have them cover space or shoot gaps.

DL needs to fight to the QB. I don't care who...cut guys and sign PS if need be. Need effort.

Move Jones inside.

Move Badger around.

On offense stop with the cute 1st down runs.

If teams play deep get speed into the middle of the field and get ball into their hands.

Uh… Cover two has been around for years and years…

Teams aren't beating the Chiefs talent. They are beating Andy and EB.

Yeah Pat, don’t give info like that away. Stick with the normal player-speak.

It must be out of context. I can’t imagine him saying that.

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Play good football!

Sorenson still playing close to 100% of the snaps. Of everything that can be said about how shitty this defense currently is, that's the most damning indictment yet.

Why would they have a hangover this year and not last year? If anything, last year's SB performance should motivate them. Or is playing in the SB every year mentally draining?

Last years SB showed them they arent as good as they thought they were. Teams are following the Buccs blue print and our coaches can't scheme around it.

Drop 8 in coverage a lot more.

Tell Mahomes to stay in the ****ing pocket.

Simple.

Chiefs are not going to always score a lot a ton of pts every single game which is why it is so important to have some balance. Offenses have games where they are off. It happens.

Overall, Chiefs are 3rd in total yards and 5th in ppg. Not bad at all and I'm sure they will get back on track next game.

20 INT isn't terrible if paired with 55 TDs. I also highly doubt that he'll have 20. Most of them have been unlucky.

I'm going to say one thing here before I catch up on the rest... I mean you people do realize how ****ing wet it was last night?

Mahomes putting a few in the dirt and a few drops by WRs should have been largely expected. I don't think it anything else had to do with it. You guys act like Mahomes forgot how to throw a football or Reek forgot how to catch. Silly.

Coaches refusing to adjust is also a big one.

Running game,slants and halfback passes with safeties so deep shreds this.

The problem is we want chunks when we should just eat them up five yards at a time.

Pride.

People haven't learned to ignore what he says by now?

I mean. It would be worth the chance to see if he can be that guy by actually handing the ball off to him on occasion.

Still not that worried. The playoffs don't start tomorrow. I think the defense will get better throughout the year.

If they start dropping games to shit teams, then it's time to worry.

Haven't posted in a long time, but feel the need to vent a bit after last night.

Going back even to the last year or two with Alex Smith, the Chiefs really don't lose games unless they get dominated at the LOS on both sides of the ball. Often with Mahomes, we win games even when that happens. We did kind of uncharacteristically gave away the other two games, but last night we were dominated up front. I think our OL is overrated as a unit. I haven't been impressed.

Hate to say it, but it seems Josh Gordon is going to be the key as to whether we will go on a run this year. With him in there, just forget about trying to establish the run (and giving up downs and effectively putting more pressure on Mahomes) and just throw it almost every down. With a third target, it doesn't matter if the OL is only average.

Winning this year has relied on Mahomes being almost perfect on third down and he's been very very good until last night. With this D, we can only punt a few times a game (at most) and hope to win. We have to internalize that into our game plan and give up on the run. If Gordon learns the playbook and stays clean, we have the ability to beat anyone if we completely unleash Mahomes.

The road looks much tougher than most of us expected, but I don't see the sky falling.

Basically, KC has a low margin for error vs the top teams, but I still think they're capable of beating anyone. And I still expect them to overwhelm the bad/mediocre teams.

From my TV it looked like Gay started playing more in the second half snd the whole defense played a lot better once that happened.

I doubt it was because of Gay. They started actually attacking instead of that bullshit "bend but don't break". They attacked all through the 2nd half and for the most part it worked.

I noticed McKinnon in on some early series. I think the coaching staff recognizes that Clyde leaves a lot to be desired.

Not that McKinnon did anything of note, but with working him in and picking up Gordon, at least the offensive coaching staff is open to making changes, unlike the other side of the ball.

Some of the takes I've seen on this and other threads are just foolish. Throw the ball every down, fire Veach, cut this player and play that one, blah, blah, blah. We can all blame the usual suspects (Sorenson, Neimann, etc.) but make no mistake, this was a team loss. Where was #32? Hill dropped passes he usually catches. Kelce couldn't shake defenders until the 2nd half. We didn't take the 10-12 yard slants and crossing routes the Bills were giving up. No pass rush. Two red zone turnovers by our half a billion dollar QB. Multiple errant throws by the same QB. I could go on and on. About the only players that didn't suck were our 2 rookie O linemen and our kicking specialists.

Opposing teams have got our number. Play Cover 2, sooner or later we'll shoot ourselves in the foot because we just aren't patient. Run the ball because our front 7 are reluctant to lay the wood to anyone. We have to start looking at the other team's weaknesses and make a game plan to exploit them. We can't wait until halftime to make adjustments on both sides of the ball. We can no longer expect Mahomes to win every game.

It also helped that the Bills stopped taking deep shots, ran the ball more and punted on 4th and 2 or 3.

With one of the worst Ds in NFL history, we are not going to win the SB unless we have perhaps the best O in NFL history. We have to leverage the strength of this team -- the passing attack -- as much as we can.

Well **** me running, knew Kelce got dinged but wasn't aware of the other stuff... it turns out the super bowl hangover myth is real, not sure what else to say

Veach has to go.

Dude is killing us with the lack of talent infusion through the draft.

Every GM misses.

I would say recently Mecole Hardman and CEH look bad at the draft and Frank Clark and Hitchens contract also very bad.

This year I really like the OL players he drafted but didn't like Hitchens not getting cut or not signing another DE like Ingram or Houston.

His hits have to include Mahomes so he will get more time.

We need to hit more early but he has added very good cheap players below market value.

Yes the long honeymoon is over, and it appears he may not be "teh greatest GM evah!"

But lets put away the pitchforks and torches for a minute, and stop to consider the great moves he HAS made...

Converted a 3-4 into a respectable 4-3 in one offseason
Completely remade the O line in one offseason, and the arrow is definitely pointed up on them
Has been nails at finding crucial role players like Damien Williams, etc etc etc
Then of course his ace up the sleeve... Mahomes (don't gimme the Dorsey did it line)

He is young, and hasn't been perfect... but I've seen more than enough positive developments to let him learn from his mistake, and continue growing into the role

Veach is going to attack this defense like a rabid dog in the offseason, we all know it

I mean it could also be that Clyde got hurt.

Dude hasn't looked anything like his rookie season at any point this year. A major disappointment.