In fairness - that IS kinda how Gore has been used.

Right at half the snaps he's been in for have been handoffs to him. That's a pretty hard 'tell'.

But as we've kicked around in the various "Chiefs are a power running team now that Patrick Mahomes is ass and the Cover 2 cannot be beaten" threads, it just doesn't take all that many times running the football to scare teams. The inverse would also be true. If you're throwing the ball even half the time Lindsay is in the backfield, that's going to be good enough to keep teams from truly selling out to beat it.

Moreover, they're just not going to dedicate much in the way of valuable practice reps trying to deal with stretch plays to Lindsay and diagnosing same.

There's no reason to worry about tells here.

You know, I hadn't considered (A).

They are cheap.

Going to go with DJLN on this one -- that is how they call plays. They sculpt the plays to what the players do well and avoid plays they don't do well.

What?

DJ just said they run Gore around a 50/50 split. He just told you that they'd use Lindsay similarly. That's exactly wtf i've been saying. THAT THEY AREN'T GOING TO JUST RUN HIM EVERY SNAP. WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO "TELL". DJ and I disagree there. 50/50 to me is balance, not a tell. And it's telling you that the Chiefs are as likely to throw as they are to run with Gore in.

Your initial argument is that he "can't" passblock, therefore they won't use him on passing downs, thus telegraphing plays. I told you that was dumb.

So yes, thanks for agreeing with me i guess.

Disagree, I'm afraid. If they're running Gore "50%" of the time he's in, that's a tell, given his limited snaps.

Also, take it down a notch.

It's a tell. It's a tell that they're as likely to run as they are to pass. How the **** else do you interpret equal distribution other than equally?

If you want to pose your argument as, "they're more likely to run with Gore than say, with CEH" - purely based on the volume of passing plays. Sure. Specifically because we pass at such a large clip. Even so, it's 50/50 instead of what, 60/40 with CEH? That ain't enough to swing the pendulum.

Either way, it makes no difference as these defenses aren't coming up for Gore. Or CEH. Nor would they for Lindsay. Only one team has gotten away from the "Chiefs Defense" this season. That was the Raiders and look what happened to them.

Bah, all of that is moot. The point is, your initial argument sucked. We've moved the goal posts now, and you can latch onto DJ's nuts all you want, but the point is the Chiefs can do a variety of plays with Lindsay, none of which would insinuate they're telegraphing shit.

Tells aren't 100% certainty, pal. Maybe you haven't played sports, but surely you've played poker.

Think of it this way.

There are a number of things you can do with a RB who can stay in to block. But you scratch out those plays when you have one that can't.

DCs know that better than anybody. And seeing Lindsay in the huddle means they can reliable scratch out the plays you know they're not going to do because the RB in question can't do them. That allows you to call a defense geared towards the smaller set of plays, and it gives you better odds on nailing the offense.

See Ingram, Melvin.

For complimentary pieces nothing wrong with taking a flyer on guys that might add something you don’t have, in this case speed at RB.

Marcus Allen and Joe Montana

He's 27 and was good LAST year. No running backs on the Texans roster are faring much better, and they have some good ones.

Lindsey ran wild on us one game and then we shut him down after that, even with terrible Sutton defenses.

I think his spastic running style causes problems when a team isn't prepared for it. But once they adjust, he's not very dangerous.

Didnt dirty Dan lay a hit on him and injure him ? Or was that just McCaffrey i'm thinking of.

he's not that old. Why did he fall off so much in production from his first 2 seasons? I don't know.

Truthfully speaking, I think he overachieved in his first two seasons. Gordon was acquired in his 3rd season and that put him on the backburner in Denver, then he ends up in Houston and nothing good happens in Houston.

Pros:

He's shifty as **** and he has great acceleration, body control, vision, and speed. Even though he only weighs about 17 pounds soaking wet he runs tough and will go right up the middle if the line gives him so much as a crease to exploit. He will engage and try to block defenders on pass plays. Although he looks like a change of pace scatback he can carry a larger load of plays during a game than you might expect. He's a play maker when the opportunity presents itself.

Cons:

He's not a good receiver and that hurts because short passes would be a great way to get him the ball in space, but he's just as liable to have the ball bounce off of his hands as catch it. He's not a good blocker and you can't expect him to hold up any more than about a half of a second in pass pro on a regular basis. He's most likely not going to be an asset on a passing play at all. Defenses can completely shut him down by flooding the running lanes.

Gordon can run and catch. The Broncos went after Gordon Junior in the draft. Made him expendable.

Have we signed this piece of the ship yet

Exactly and it makes total sense. I think Williams has better upside than Gordon, we just need someone that knows how to get creative with the offense.

I'm just not seeing the benefits here for our offense, really. CEH has (for some reason) not developed into a receiver and is also a liability in pass protection.

Kansas City's Pass Block Win Rate is 66% which is 5th in the NFL.

Kansas City's Run Block Win Rate is 74% which is 4th in the NFL.

I guess I'm not seeing CEH as horrible in pass protection this year. Last year, he needed work and he was a rookie.

I'll start to believe when he's still out there on 3rd downs, which should help his pass catching, too.

I keep waiting for the coaches to mix it up a bit... it doesn't seem their style ... :-)

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