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siberian khatru

01-25-2022 12:41 PM

Has this been brought up anywhere?

If the other team is guaranteed a possession, they do so with the extra knowledge of what it takes to win the game. In other words, if the first team scores a TD and kicks the PAT, the second team not only knows it needs a TD, it also can go for 2 for the win and not give the ball back. (Or risk not making it and losing.)

Now, the first team could go for 2 to go up 8, but if they fail, the other team knows it only has to kick to win.

See what I'm saying?

Maybe the solution would be to require both teams to go for 2 each and every time in OT. But then you're still looking at long games and player safety, etc.

Dayze

01-25-2022 12:43 PM

Detoxing nailed in in #73

Red Dawg

01-25-2022 12:43 PM

What a ****ing stupid ****ing idea. Why not just play the game forever until we get the winner we want.

Him and Pat Mac can go **** themselves in their pussies. The Bills had 60 minutes to win the game. In that time they failed. They had to keep us from completing a 75 yard drive to get a td and hold us to an FG. They failed to give themselves the ball back. The NFL didn't not fail to give them a second chance, they failed to give themselves a second chance.

But Allen didn't his shot? Well, then he can blame himself for not having more points and winning outright or he can look to his left and blame the 11 guys that went full bitch in the OT.

Whine like pussies all you want Bills fans. Life isn't fair.

kccrow

01-25-2022 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16106150)

I don't necessarily love/hate the sudden death aspect, but would much rather HFA determine who gets the ball first in OT... use something that's already been earned, not a freakin coin.

And go one way or the other... not the "score a TD and the game is over, but not over with a FG". I don't like changing rules for OT. Either do sudden death, guarantee one possession each, or do a 10 or 15 minute period.

I'd prefer the timed period for the playoffs, but would be fine with simply guaranteeing one possession each and sudden death after that.

I like and don't like parts of this but that's kind of the issue. Eventually, someone has to win and someone will be pissed off.

Personally, I'd kind of like to see a continuation of the game for an additional 15-minute period but that's asking a lot of the players.

If anything, I'd like to see both teams guaranteed possession and if that ends in a tie then the current rules go into effect.

Dayze

01-25-2022 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 16106300)

How about each team gets to pick their own "Pickup sticks with your butt cheeks" contestant?

hope we never play the Raiders with Nassib.

New World Order

01-25-2022 12:45 PM

So much butthurt

tk13	01-25-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16106356)

I don't remember where I saw this but one idea I saw floated was just make it so first team to score 8 points wins OT. But that still creates long games and it seems like a lot of the players aren't fans of anything that makes OT longer.

ToxSocks

01-25-2022 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16106356)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16106292)

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Ok, how about this for not fair:

Team 1 goes down and scores and elects to kick the XP.

Team 2 now has a HUGE advantage, as they can now elect for a 2pnt conversion and win the game outright.

In a situation in which both teams are guaranteed a possession, there's a very clear strategic advantage to receiving the ball 2nd.

Team 1 has to decide if they should kick the XP or go for two. If they go for 1, team 2 has a decided advantage over team 1 in their next possession as they KNOW they can win with a 2pt, while team 1 risks either losing by NOT going for 2, or going for 2, missing and then losing to team 2 who now only needs to kick an XP to win.

That's such a massive advantage to the team with the 2nd possession it's not even funny. Much bigger advantage than just winning a coin flip

No, you're dead ass right. It's a massive advantage. It's almost like...this wasn't thought out very well.

So now we have all these jackasses trying to fix a problem that isn't even a problem (20-mother****ing percent) and are instead making it even MORE broken. If they could rub two damn braincells together and think for a second....

TimBone

01-25-2022 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16106292)

These overtime rule changes are so poorly thought out.

Im so sick of hearing this. It's STILL not fair. All you're doing is extending the game.

Ok, so Mahomes get the ball and scores. Great.

Then Allen gets the ball and scores. Great.

NOW what? Now the next score wins? NOW the defense matters? So Mahomes gets the ball after Allen scores, goes down the field and scores. Can the game be over now, or does Allen still get another chance to make it fair?

At what point do we acknoweldge that a stop has to be made? And if a stop HAS to be made, then wtf is the point of extending it at all? Just so Allen can score one more touchdown and still lose the exact same ****ing way when Mahomes gets the ball back?

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Ok, how about this for not fair:

Team 1 goes down and scores and elects to kick the XP.

Team 2 now has a HUGE advantage, as they can now elect for a 2pnt conversion and win the game outright.

In a situation in which both teams are guaranteed a possession, there's a very clear strategic advantage to receiving the ball 2nd.

Team 1 has to decide if they should kick the XP or go for two. If they go for 1, team 2 has a decided advantage over team 1 in their next possession as they KNOW they can win with a 2pt, while team 1 risks either losing by NOT going for 2, or going for 2, missing and then losing to team 2 who now only needs to kick an XP to win.

That's such a massive advantage to the team with the 2nd possession it's not even funny. Much bigger advantage than just winning a coin flip

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And here's the real kicker:

In the playoffs, only 20% of the teams that receive the ball in OT are actually winning them on the first possession.

20% you dolts!

20%!

For that math illiterate, 80-mother****ing percent of the time BOTH QB'S ARE touching the ball under current rules.

80-mother****ing percent of the time both offenses get a chance in OT. Jesus.

This isn't even a real issue! LMAO It's a completely false narrative drummed up by pouty bitch ass losers. It's not even a real ****ing problem in the NFL for christ's sake.

Not to mention, team #2 is in 4 down territory the whole drive if they know they have to score a TD.

staylor26

01-25-2022 12:53 PM

Every solution I’ve heard ****ing sucks dick.

Rain Man

01-25-2022 01:03 PM

Overtime is decided by a quarterback skills competition. Problem solved. (Sly smile in the direction of Patrick Mahomes II.)

Marcellus

01-25-2022 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16106192)

Buffalo deserves zero sympathy. Buffalo voted against KC’s idea to change the rule a few years ago.

/Thread.

Marcellus

01-25-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16106396)

Every solution I’ve heard ****ing sucks dick.

I think playing 10 minute quarters until there is a winner is reasonable but I also don't have an issue with the current rules.

ChiTown

01-25-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16106396)

Every solution I’ve heard ****ing sucks dick.

Yep - no one is EVER going to be satisfied. Most of the bitching is coming from pundits and fans. The majority of Players and Coaches have NO DESIRE to play any longer than they have to in an overtime. They also have no desire to play anything close to the College Clown Show rules.

If you lose the toss, make a ****ing stop and hold them to 3. If you can't do that, then **** off. I felt the exact same way after it was handed to the Chiefs in the 2019 AFCCG.

Realbaddog

01-25-2022 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curé (Post 16106221)

this is the best idea of the whole lot. hfa would really be an advantage then.

Why not do a "jump ball" at the 50? Live ball, sudden death.

staylor26

01-25-2022 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16106464)

I think playing 10 minute quarters until there is a winner is reasonable but I also don't have an issue with the current rules.

Then you’re completely ignoring player health.

The reason the rules are the way they are is because the studies they’ve done show that the likelihood of injuries goes way up.

BWillie

01-25-2022 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16106323)

You realize that there is an NFLPA, right? And contractual time obligations, right?

Like, games can't just go on forever. There's a reason sudden death was put in place in the first place.

Yeah, go ask the NFLPA how they'd feel about adding additional quarters to a game.

I think the 17th game is bullshit, but a fair overtime is a very small issue in the grand scheme of things as far as more football.

ToxSocks

01-25-2022 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16106481)

Then you’re completely ignoring player health.

The reason the rules are the way they are is because the studies they’ve done show that the likelihood of injuries goes way up.

Yup. NFLPA gonna step in if the NFL tries to enforce a full quarter OT, you can bet your ass on that.

BlackOp

01-25-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16106065)

LMAO

These guys are teenage girls.

The people who care what they think are teenage girls...

staylor26

01-25-2022 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16106486)

I think the 17th game is bullshit, but a fair overtime is a very small issue in the grand scheme of things as far as more football.

There is no “fair” OT that doesn’t prolong the game even further and increase the likelihood of injuries.

The Franchise

01-25-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16106496)

There is no “fair” OT that doesn’t prolong the game even further and increase the likelihood of injuries.

Fair is only when your team wins.

Bearcat

01-25-2022 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 16106465)

Yeah, and it always goes further than that, too... beyond "just stop them in OT", but make a stop at the end of regulation or in the 4th quarter or in the 2nd half.

That's why I've always been pretty 'meh' on the sudden death part... had the Chiefs lost the toss and the Bills scored a TD, it would have made it two TDs in the last two minutes or so of regulation and a 3rd in OT. And the same for the Bills..... both teams had their chances to prevent OT all together.

DRM08

01-25-2022 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16106509)

Or stop them in the first half. Every play counts. KC had two touchdown drives in the first half where Mahomes kept pulling off miracle plays on 3rd and Long. It was the first half, so Buffalo’s defense was not worn out at the time. They had plenty of chances to win in regulation. Heck, the Chiefs’ great kicker gave away 4 points. That was pretty helpful to Buffalo in such a close game.

Jamie

01-25-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16106396)

Every solution I’ve heard ****ing sucks dick.

That's where I'm at. The overtime system sucks, but I've yet to hear an idea that's better.

The one idea I like is skipping the coin toss in the playoffs, and giving the home team the ball. Because, A) the home team earned it, and B) the visiting team knows going in they better not let it get to OT.

Buehler445

01-25-2022 01:53 PM

Reason 6,073,973,114,893,267,888,531 not to watch these shit for brains open their ****holes.

Those pointing out this guy being a hypocrite are absolutely correct. Guess what’s also correct, these mongoloids DO. NOT. CARE. They have no aspirations to be fair, reasonable, genuine, or correct. Just spew hot takes, get clicks, get money. It’s literally the worst thing about sports.

Just turn the shit off.

ChiTown

01-25-2022 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16106574)

The Gentleman from Scott City, KS has nailed this one. Therefore...

/thread

ptlyon

01-25-2022 02:05 PM

What does he win Johnny?

TimBone

01-25-2022 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 16106596)

What does he win Johnny?

A good year of corn crop.

DRM08

01-25-2022 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16106553)

Agree with the home field idea. A bye week does not seem to help the #1 seed that much. Packers got knocked out early with it. So did the Titans.

KChiefs1

01-25-2022 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16106087)

The OT rules should be changed. I’ve thought this ever since it happened to Mahomes in 2018 against Brady.

If Josh Allen won that coin flip our season would be over. That’s the truth.

Both teams should touch the ball. It’s a huge advantage for offenses in that scenario bc not only is the game changed to favor offense, but both defenses are gassed. They’re dead tired.

Keep the rules the same except the team that lost the coin flip gets a chance to get a TD if the team that won the coin flip gets a TD first

I haven’t heard one decent alternative yet.

Teams would always want to get the ball second because they’d know exactly what they had to do.

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KChiefs1

01-25-2022 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16106094)

Fair - but I've always been against these rules. Funny now how Chiefs fans now DONT want the rule to change.

Both teams should get to possess the ball in overtime, period. Don't do it like college does, but you can make teams start further away and always go for two.

I’m all for a rule change.

As long as we have Mahomes we wouldn’t have to worry about losing the coin toss. He would get a chance to touch the ball.

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DRM08

01-25-2022 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 16106624)

I’m all for a rule change.

As long as we have Mahomes we wouldn’t have to worry about losing the coin toss. He would get a chance to touch the ball.

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Probably still at a disadvantage. If both teams score a TD, does that turn it into sudden death? If so, the coin toss winner still has the advantage.

Lzen	01-25-2022 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16106292)

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In the playoffs, only 20% of the teams that receive the ball in OT are actually winning them on the first possession.

20% you dolts!

20%!

For that math illiterate, 80-mother****ing percent of the time BOTH QB'S ARE touching the ball under current rules.

80-mother****ing percent of the time both offenses get a chance in OT. Jesus.

This isn't even a real issue! LMAO It's a completely false narrative drummed up by pouty bitch ass losers. It's not even a real ****ing problem in the NFL for christ's sake.

Wow! Great post. That last section really puts things into perspective.

unothadeal

01-25-2022 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16106199)

And yeah, if we're in an OT situation where our defense truly is utter trash and we're just going to end up getting ****ed in the end, I'd like to see Andy Reid employ that strategy.

We've done okay in goal line stand situations this year. That's probably our best chance at victory if we lose the toss. And if the opposing team scored and won the game, I'd at least appreciate that we tried to take the matter into our own hands instead of just whining about losing by a coin toss because we were incompetent on defense.

Wonder what happens to the sudden death rule in that case. Is the team that recovers it only required to kick a FG to end the game or are they considered the first possession team?

ChiefsCountry

01-25-2022 02:38 PM

I misread the title I thought it said Bills fan caught flapping. Thought that seems about right for the Bills Mafia.

Lzen	01-25-2022 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16106356)

Pretty much why when college football had that system of each team gets a possession at the opponent's 25, the team who won the coin toss would elect to kick. It's just another type of strategy.

Buehler445

01-25-2022 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 16106599)

A good year of corn crop.

I’ll take that.

ARROW2

01-25-2022 02:50 PM

**** Kyle and any Chief hater out there.

Marcellus

01-25-2022 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16106496)

There is no “fair” OT that doesn’t prolong the game even further and increase the likelihood of injuries.

All this concern about injuries is nonsense. Show me the "studies".

A 10 minute period would like add 8-10 plays per team on offense.

We had several regular season OT games go almost the entire 15 minutes, injurious were not a factor in OT.

Again though I am fine with leaving it as is but the injury excuse is way overblown.

Our biggest injury in the game occurred in the first 5 minutes. Just like with the LT issue we had a few weeks back when Niang went out after Brown was hurt in warmups.

CasselGotPeedOn

01-25-2022 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16106494)

The people who care what they think are teenage girls...

Did you really not know the clock doesn't run on a 2 point attempt?

Jerok

01-25-2022 04:36 PM

I kind of like Colin Cowherd's idea of just letting the road team decide if they get the ball or not, because the home team already has the advantage of being at home. That way there's no chance involved, and home teams would try extra hard to score at the end of a game, say if they had 30 seconds left instead of kneeling down, resulting in less overtimes overall.

Hog's Gone Fishin

01-25-2022 04:39 PM

I've always thought Kyle is annoying as ****. He needs fired for this.

Hog's Gone Fishin

01-25-2022 04:42 PM

The ONLY fair way is to play a full 12 minute overtime. 10 minutes isn't enough because it's feasible for one team to control the ball close to 10 minutes. But in reality if the other team is lead by Patrick Mahomes all thats needed is 0:13 seconds

jettio

01-25-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerok (Post 16107028)

That seems to reward the team that failed to earn a higher seed.

Surprising that Colin Cowherd would be in favor of reverse meritocracy.

Hog's Gone Fishin

01-25-2022 05:25 PM

I read somewhere that in OT, the team that wins the coin toss in regular season wins 51% of the games . In the playoffs it's 90.1%

ToxSocks

01-25-2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16107104)

I read somewhere that in OT, the team that wins the coin toss in regular season wins 51% of the games . In the playoffs it's 90.1%

Yes, but of those 90% that are winning, only 20% are winning the game on the first drive.

Red Dawg

01-25-2022 05:27 PM

I think all the cry baby fans and media should hound the NFL to replay the entire game again until they get the winner they want.

RealSNR

01-25-2022 05:34 PM

Also, Kyle's comparing apples to oranges in that first video. The current rules are NOT the same thing as only a single half inning of OT baseball.

This is still not quite equivalent, but if MLB put in a rule that you bounce back and forth and go as many innings as needed until one team outscores the other (as it is) OR the team batting first puts up a grand slam or the equivalent (four runs).

Failing to prevent some dudes on base and maybe a few guys get home? Okay, yeah, that's about a field goal. Failing to prevent 4 runs in an inning? That's a TD. And that's what the rule currently is.

DTVietnam

01-25-2022 06:42 PM

this is a great find..this guy annoys the shit out of me. .

ThyKingdomCome15

01-25-2022 06:59 PM

Mahomes coming back has them running in circles.

KChiefs1

01-25-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16106634)

Probably still at a disadvantage. If both teams score a TD, does that turn it into sudden death? If so, the coin toss winner still has the advantage.

Leader in time of possession gets the ball first.

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