Possibly a trip to the SB. Bengals would get the ball back with 1:30 and no timeouts. No telling if our defense can hold in that situation.

that was the steelers...

there was no fear in that game ..

I mean if u dont think he was playing scared this weekend then I dont know what to tell you ..

its not 100% of the time but he makes alot of business decesions these days he wasnt making in year 1 and 2

If he got directions to “castle” on that play I can see that being on his mind.

But putting pressure on the Bengals to score is a vastly preferable situation than setting for a FG there

was he playing scared on his last pass genious?

The more I think about it, the Chiefs should have just pounded the ****ing ball up the middle three times and told the offensive line to go win it.

I agree. Would be a better look for Mahomes too.

That last interception hit Tyreek in the hands and it tipped up for an interception super tough catch but that was the money shot.


I just think maybe the "Grim Reaper" made him feel he can do anything and then got to his head and he over thought everything in the second half over throwing backs in the flats. Second half just wasn't his game he had a collapse almost as epic proportion as Derrick Thomas collapse. He takes blame for the game and he should but it was also on the coaches for not reeling him in and turning it into a running game when our running backs were gashing them in the first half we had none of that in the second half and they changed coverage to 8 so why the **** didn't we run the ball down their throats in the second half between tackles?

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I still can’t decide if this sequence was worst than Rodgers last season but I’m leaning worst. Rodgers should have ran it just didn’t have a wide open TD twice he passed on.

I don't understand why we didn't do this in the second half. The interior line is a strength and McKinnon and CEH could have took turns running 10+ yards a carry till the Bengals have to adjust but that's not what the Chiefs did they threw out side or ran sideways thinking the RB can turn the corner up field but the Bengals shut that shit down. Run between the tackles worked in the first half and we drove down their throats for three touchdowns.

I just... don't have the words.

That's frustrating to watch, but I also wonder what happens if they run on that 2nd down play. We'll never know but they had the numbers. Humphrey could have went downfield and took on the linebacker if he didn't have to avoid an ineligible man penalty. Everybody wins their blocks and McKinnon scores, or at least is down at the 1 or 2.

the first half, he throws a laser to a decently-covered Reek for a TD.

End of regulation, he passes up EASY passes (easy for mahomes) to Hardman and Kelce.

Why? he had time....those looks were open way before the pocket collapsed and he had to start scrambling.

Something about that, and the entire second half, is not sitting well with me.

the interception? no he was playing dumb and desperate after playing scared and overthrowing D-Rob two times. .

Confident Mahomes wouldve done whatever it takes to win that game..not just chuck up 3 shitty quick throws. .

He was playing emotionless, defeated and unconfident

It's very simple to me.

When he's not thinking he's lights out.

When he starts second guessing himself, he hesitates just enough to let the defense recover. This is NFL football. The margin between success and failure. Elite and average is that slim.

I hope he spends this offseason in the lab. Rediscover himself, build his mental game. He knows what he's capable of. He used to preach it to his teammates. "Stay in it. Keep firing."

This thing can go one of two ways. He's a competitor though. He wants to be great. I believe he'll figure it out.

If they run on 2nd down, they either score or have a shorter 3rd and goal. Instead, the sack pushed them back to the 9 yard line.

Also, getting stuffed wouldn't be a bad thing because it would still run clock.

It's horrible to think that Henne would have looked better and Mahomes should have been benched in the 3rd quarter. ****ing other worldly. I don't know what happened, and we likely never will, but it is definitely strange. Something. Happened. And guys on this team know what it is. I'd be amazed that it could be kept under wraps. If it was something sinister, it'll get leaked. And as was stated, if it was purposeful, I'm out.

I don’t understand where all this potential sinister stuff is coming from. People just need to accept Mahomes was trash from the moment he messed up the end of the first half until the end of the game. I guess people don’t want to believe that?

This is complete nonsense. If anything, he ran more. Took even more chances.

Pat popped his knee back into place on the mother****ing football field, then begged to go back in the game. Fast forward to the AFC Championship game vs the Titans. Mahomes had every opportunity to step out of bounds, slide, fall over, or "play scared". What does he do?

This ****ing living legend dances on a goddamn razorblade. Straddles the sidelines, cuts it back inside, then spins and staggers into the end zone like a hero. That kid has never been anything but brave.

Now, I don't know what happened yesterday with PM15. That 2nd half performance has destroyed the structural dynamics of human understanding. Sort of, like your continuing existence on this planet.

And no answers for eight months.

:(

Also, I wish I didn't watch that video...it really looks like he's shitting the bed...on purpose...even the dancing around and the fumble look forced, like he's reacting to shit that in the past is not there for him...this is disturbing.

No, because we've never seen it before like that. Watch the damn video, he's looking RIGHT AT KELCE...and then starts to run around when he's not even under pressure. If you think this is a normal looking **** up...you have not been watching the Chiefs since Mahomes has been with them. Interceptions, yes. But NOT throwing the ball when you have an easy TD? When have you EVER seen this type of shit from him?

but ur not gettign the point..when was the last QB sneak?

I didnt say the QB sneak stopped him from scrambling and fighting for extra yards..I said the fumble this year did..which it did. .

if youre going to reply learn some reading comprehension

This is where I'm at something was up. Not a rigged guy but this video especially bust makes no sense these are throws he makes in his sleep. Something was up here I just don't know. Mahomes doesn't do this he just doesn't.

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This video made me mad again

it was 3rd and goal the last series or regulation. Again the evidence is clear. Two receivers wide open directly in front of him.



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He was doing this multiple times early in the season. Missing guys, bad pocket presence, seeing ghosts, etc. This isn’t new for him but because of how easy the first half was the collapse is that much more noticeable.

I hate this. The Bengals didn’t do anything “unbelievable.”

I worry about Mahomes mental state of mind. We seriously need to look at a decent backup QB. Mahomes may have tot sake the year off to get his mind back to normal

It's gonna be okay, dude.

Running the ball twice there at the end of regulation was definitely the play. Maybe even three times depending on how close to the goal line we got. I believe the 2nd down play was a RPO that Mahomes pulled out to throw (which was a bad idea).

lol what

I think he was embarrassed with himself by the way he handled the last play of the first half. On top of making a bad decision that cost us points, he tried calling timeout when we didn’t have any. Could have been a little humiliating for someone that was getting the sort of praise he was getting after the Bills game.

He just lost confidence and played badly against a different coverage look. It's not the first time this season that has happened with him. Not really a big mystery.

I pretty much always want the ball in Mahomes’s hands with the game on the line, but even I have my limits.

The interior OL was so dominant, that I really can’t understand why we wouldn’t trust them in that spot.

No doubt in my mind we’re heading to the Super Bowl if we run it on second and third.

Did we even have a single carry for negative yardage? I think practically every run gained at least a yard.

Or in his career.

BB had Mahomes looking like a ****ing reerun. Twice.

Denver's D also gave him trouble in those early matchups.

Being able to shift into the Kareem Hunt Experience was a massive, massive deal and Reid was quick to do it in that era.

Extremely. Even the ass whoopin we took in 55 and he was flinging awesome passes

UIGHHHHHHHHHGHGAS

I was shocked when Mahomes pulled the ball out to throw. Just another of his bad decisions that half.

Worst case scenario if you run there is you get stopped for no gain and the clock runs down to 40ish seconds left (which would render it nearly impossible for the Bengals to score a TD in response). The best case and perhaps most likely scenario is they would have scored. They shouldn't have even given Mahomes the option there.

He throws it on probably 95% of the RPO plays. Defenses know the tendency. Scrap those RPO’s from the playbook and just run the ball or throw the ball on those plays. No options.

We have had some of the dumbest takes in the Planet's history today. I know people need to vent but yeeeesh.

I don't appreciate the way this threads going right now, it'd probably be best if everyone just shut the hell up and let it go... before they say something that can't be taken back

{sigh}

Yup.

Smith wouldn't have tried that throw to Kelce and hell, maybe he shouldn't have. It's a throw Mahomes has made in his sleep 20 times because he has the arm to get that in there before anything can close up.

But man, that throw to Hardman is a throw that Smith makes 10 times out of 10. Because it was just easy money. It's a little flip out wide and if you put it out there, there's no picking it off.

He was freaked the **** out. He was afraid he'd hang it up and get it cut under. And when he sees the tape he'll understand how wrong that was. But when he was out there in real time he was scared to hell and gone.

He just had so many bad hops and unlucky bounces (one more to effectively end the season) that he started seeing ghosts. He passed on that Hardman throw a couple weeks ago as well when he had to scramble for the 2-pt throw to CEH.

He just got rattled this year. Hopefully the off-season helps him shake it off. Kid's been a gunslinger his whole life and I think some pretty overwhelming pressure to be great all the time finally got to him.

We saw just how young PMII really is. He's caught between being too young to know any better and old enough to not give a shit.

I hate to see that. Not for me as a fan (again - we won a title so I can die in peace). But for Mahomes. He's taken so damn much on himself and he finally cracked. And he's gonna kick the shit out of himself for it.

Go fist a kitten.

Jesus Christ.

Mahomes is still young. Still learning the position at an NFL level. He will learn to just hand it off if the box is light because that makes him more dangerous.

Some just really can't handle tough losses in sports. This was a particularly bad one, I admit, but we literally won a SB two years ago and will be a contender as long as Mahomes stays with this organization. I can't have any real complaints.

This won't break him.

If anything, we see a more aggressive Mahomes in these situations to start next season.

He's going to let it rip. He did on his last pass.

Shit man, guy's still learning if he likes boxers or briefs.

He's a ****ing kid. And when you're Burrow or Herbert or Allen or whatever, you can hang it all out there because you're just too young and too stupid to know this game is hard. Expectations haven't been heaped on you yet. You're playing with house money so you just don't care. We saw it for 3 years with PM.

He's under a sort of pressure that NONE of these guys have been under. There are, what, 3 guys in the league right now that have? Brady and Rodgers - possibly Wilson?

This 'face of the shield' shit is just different. And when you have every swinging dick in the media waiting for you to make a mistake so they can shit on you as some overrated flash in the pan, it just makes it worse.

I just hate it for him. Fairness seems a silly thing to talk about but man, it sure doesn't seem fair at all, does it?

Go check out LeBron's season after the Mavericks series embarrassment. Arguably the best year of his career. Played with an anger that has been rarely been seen since.

I wouldn't expect anything different from Mahomes either.

My only worry is burnout. Not just him, but the rest of the team.

4 AFCCG in four seasons is a **** ton of extra football, and Herbert is right there in our own division.

This season was tough, next season might be tougher.

Because it was 3rd down. It was convert or, at worst, arm punt. He wasn't scared because there really wasn't a true downside.

lol what?

I thought I saw him talking to them in a huddle in a video or on tv.

I knew that on that 3rd and goal from the 9, that someone had to be open, unless the Bengals were holding all over the place. I'm actually happier that we missed the play than the Bengals getting away with holding.

Clearly, Mahomes uncharacteristically lost his nerve in the second half of that game. It happens. It is just really unexpected for it to happen to Mahomes with the game on the line. Probably goes back to the last play of the 2nd half and whatever happened in the locker room during halftime. Normally he would shake something like that off. He just played way too tentative in the 2nd half.

He'll shake it off, it is just a really unsettling way to end the season for him not to even throw a pass with all that time and guys open.

It certainly may happen eventually (and I do think the Chiefs will eventually lose the AFC West division at some point with Herbert and potentially Rodgers in-division, it's inevitable), but I expect him to be particularly motivated and focused next year coming off this loss.

Wow. Hill had goddamn nothing in the second half of this game. Not one touch.

What a complete failing by Mahomes and our offensive braintrust.

The biggest weapon in football. Shutout.

Now I'm really mad.

Now in complete fairness, Hill is someone that needs to have guys in his ear to stay pumped up. We've heard it it in his own words several times where he'll acknowledge getting down and having Kelce or Mahomes get his mind right to get back out there and play.

With whatever funk Kelce and Mahomes were in, that probably left a hell of a vacuum that could've easily sucked Hill in as well.

90% of what we saw wasn't a disease in its own right - it was just another symptom of the underlying malady and that malady was a crisis of confidence for our generational quarterback.

****ing sucks, man.

Would make sense why Hardman and Hill were yelling at each other on the sideline

they need to a change is the coaching staff. No, not Andy. Some new blood. EB needs to go be a head coach. Let Kafka have a chance. Andy’s not getting rid of Spags but we need a few leaders on that defense that can play. The honey Badger needs to go. Clark, Hitchens too.

Just seems like things have got a little stale or something.

You seriously need to look at a new username.

Re-watching that final Chiefs drive of the 4th quarter, Kelce wasn’t even in the game on 2nd and goal.

A critical drive/down, following a Bengals time out and Kelce is on the sideline?

Just a complete cluster.

I truly do not get it. Somebody needs to be fired

Strange, but also irrelevant.

Hardman was open. Should’ve been an easy TD even with Kelce on the sideline.

I don't want to believe Mahomes threw the game on purpose. But something definitely happened just before the half.
Maybe we will never know.

I don't think it's that far fetched to say he just had a bad half. I've seen Mahomes have some pretty terrible games this season.

For whatever reason Mahomes lost his confidence in the 2nd half. It was obvious when he was missing routine passes but the 3rd down play with goal to go is the most egregious. Have to throw it on a rope to Kelce to attempt to win the game. We've seen him make that throw and especially to our most trusted target, hard to understand what changed mentally for him in the 2nd half.

Terrible "games." Not go from absolutely dominant to absolutely shit like someone flipped his light switch.

I can attribute this to one of two things:

1) He threw the game
2) He had a concussion we didn't know about.

There really isn't much else there to describe the failure to throw it to wide-open receivers drive after drive in that 2nd half.

I'd like to believe it wasn't 1, but my eyes tell me otherwise.

Couple that with Chris Jones miraculously missing 3 sacks he just doesn't miss and Sorensen running away from the receiver he was told to cover by 4 other players, and I just can't. I can't chalk this up to "well we failed because."

To be fair Sorensen doesn’t know what he’s doing half the time. Also, Mahomes has a QBR of 98 in first half and a 1.4 in second half. That is the biggest gap between two halves in NFL history just an fyi

He was refusing to throw balls that literally the worst QB's in the league can complete.

2 pt conversion?

Sorensen on the 2 pt play is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen...everyone tells him where to go, he's lined up right and he inexplicably runs backwards 3 yards and wide letting the dude have an easy catch. I just don't get why he did that at all.

Yeah, anybody seriously suggesting Patrick Mahomes threw a game has completely lost the plot and may want to stop thinking about this shit for a while until they're ready to return to the world of rational thought rather than crazy conspiracy.

He struggled against a different, unfamiliar coverage look (far from the first time that happened this season) and progressively lost confidence in what he was doing as the half went on. It happens.

Also, if I was going to throw a game, I probably wouldn't take the chance of leading my team down the field until they got inside the 5 at the end of regulation when a decent run is all it would have taken to score and win. Seems like a pretty unnecessary risk for the success of any rigging.

If Mahomes didn't "throw" the game, then he choked so bad his mind took a holiday...

And that may be an ongoing problem with Mahomes for his entire career... ala Brett Favre.

Which means when he's stressed AND unanchored (lack of ability to calm himself) then we're going to see this each and every time.

:facepalm:

Please see the Buffalo game.

I consider that game his best of his career. He handled the pressure and was NOT unanchored.

So what happened with Cincy?

We'll never know. My point was that he's been CLUTCH just about every time that he's had the chance, that I just can't buy your take that this could be an ongoing issue with him. I think it's anomaly and there is plenty of evidence to support that.

The coverage isn’t what got him. Teams throw different shit at him constantly in the playoffs and he rips it apart

He was less accurate, uncomfortable, and less confident in the 2nd half. Inexplicably

In the past when teams rushed 3 against him he destroyed the defense because they were giving him too much time. This was just a bad performance by him.

That was such a massive chokejob, it’s fair to wonder if he’s now damaged goods from a mental standpoint. We will see if he can dig himself out of it. I hope so!

Threw the game? Butt ****ing morons.