If it hadn't have already happened 3 times in the playoffs with 3 different OCs, 2 different DCs and 2 different QBs (one of whom is already in the discussion for best ever), then I'd be a lot more hopeful that the situation could be corrected.

https://theathletic.com/news/super-b...%20at%20%2B750.
Super Bowl 2023 odds: Chiefs, Bills tie as favorites; Rams, Bengals, Cowboys round out top 5. The Rams (+1100) and the Bengals (+1200) rank third and fourth, respectively, to win the 2023 Super Bowl.
The Chiefs and the Bills are the initial betting favorites to win Super Bowl LVII, via BetMGM. The participants in an epic AFC divisional playoff game during this season's playoffs are tied as favorites at +750.

The Rams (+1100) and the Bengals (+1200) rank third and fourth, respectively, to win the 2023 Super Bowl. The Rams won Super Bowl LVI on Sunday night, defeating the Bengals 23-20 in SoFi Stadium.

The Cowboys (+1200) sit tied with Cincinnati. A three-team cluster comes in next — 49ers, Packers and Broncos. The Buccaneers dropped down the list of contenders after quarterback Tom Brady retired with Tampa Bay at +2500. The teams with the worst odds are the Jaguars, Lions, Jets and Texans.

Here’s a look at the Super Bowl LVII odds for every team:

Buffalo Bills: +750
Kansas City Chiefs: +750
Los Angeles Rams: +1100
Cincinnati Bengals: +1200
Dallas Cowboys: +1200
Denver Broncos: +1600
Green Bay Packers: +1600
San Francisco 49ers: +1600
Baltimore Ravens: +2000
Arizona Cardinals: +2000
Tennessee Titans: +2200
New England Patriots: +2200
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: +2500
Los Angeles Chargers: +2500
Indianapolis Colts: +2500
Cleveland Browns: +3000
New Orleans Saints: +4000
Seattle Seahawks: +4000
Philadelphia Eagles: +4000
Pittsburgh Steelers: +4000
Minnesota Vikings: +4000
Washington Commanders: +5000
Atlanta Falcons: +5000
Carolina Panthers: +5000
Las Vegas Raiders: +5000
Miami Dolphins: +5000
New York Giants: +6600
Chicago Bears: +6600
Jacksonville Jaguars: +10000
Detroit Lions: +15000
Houston Texans: +15000
New York Jets: +15000

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That's the most updated link I could find .

Two main things are at work:

1. The league is always a copy cat league and they just saw the Rams go all in with free agents and win a Super Bowl.
2. Teams now realize that windows are really short. If you have that young QB on his first contract, it's best to strike quickly. If you have a relatively good team that's been missing one or two critical pieces, you need to make a move before your key pieces age out or suffer injuries.
3. You need to win your division. The best way to win the west is to pressure Mahomes with four down lineman and drop the rest.

Her name is spelled "Bette" you asshole!!!!!

Now, now. Asshole is such a pejorative word.

I'd say, "uncultured Philistine" for misspelling Ms. Davis's first name.

Asshole is more for being a Bronco's fan. :thumb:

I don't think they'll "cruise" to anything. If nothing else, the Chargers are always a spoiler, even when they're not very good. Denver obviously got better.

I welcome the competition. When the Chiefs win the division again, they'll be battle tested. :D

Fyp.

Counterpoint: Aaron Rodgers has played his whole career in a division with the Lions, Bears, and Vikings. He's only played in 1 Super Bowl.

See in the grand scheme of things the measurement of QB GOAT is flawed. Instant'

Brady didn't have to go up against the Buccs defense with Kansas City offensive line.

Brady chucks it 10 feet over the heads out of back of endzone gets defensive PI.

If you watched how individually they played just by that posission then Patrick outplayed Brady by a mile but his top protector Eric Fisher went down the quarter before the Super Bowl. No excuses of course but Patricks ball placement and skills were amazing and Tom Brady female ref that named her kid after Tom Brady wasn't bad herself.

I just think there needs to be another measurement of greatness when the Patriots and Tom Brady have been fined and draft picks taken away for cheating yet that isn't accounted for.

It's not Tom Brady beating Patrick Mahomes II it's Tom Brady taking advantage of bad PI calls and a defense that beat Patrick Mahomes II.

The better quarterback doesn't always win but in Super Bowl it doesn't matter in a valiant effort Patrick Mahomes was the true Super Bowl MVP.

Nobody thinks we are going to cruise to another divisional win. Did you not read the topic post? It specifically states that teams are loading up the talent to make it as hard as possible.
And as far as us being "divas"...that's something you donkey fans perfected. It kind of sucks to have your shit pushed in year after year after year, after year after year, doesn't it? It's what we had to endure from donkey trash for a while. Now it's your turn.

And Peyton Manning had a bigger penis.

We got joe burrow?

Over/under 643

643x2? Sounds good.:thumb:

Broncos fans coming back now that they got their cast off retread QB again.

Reminder:

13 Straight Wins

You have never beaten Mahomes. ROFL


Win a game maybe and we'll talk.

Can’t remember an offseason as bad as this one has been versus the rest of the league. Chiefs have no money bottom line.

The saints went from 80 mill over to 30 mill under in like 12 hours. There’s room if you want it

Cool, the Chiefs still have no money.

we still feeling good about Veach?

Maybe Clark is heavily invested in business interest in the Baltics? Perhaps he held his AMC stock too long? He may be cash poor.

There are a bunch of no-dick pussies in here.

Be cool. The Chiefs will be just fine.

only no dick pussy is Veach

Big money free agents/trades guarantee Superbowls?

Holy shit i can't wait for the dust to settle because


AFC West if they manage to make this their season they will be ****ed soon and are shooting themselves in the foot with these high end deals. Either paying a guy more than they are worth or giving up draft picks for down the road. They are just ****ing themselves and we have Chiefs Fans panicking over these desperate moves.



Oh **** I forgot Raiders Head Coach Josh McClown :o)


This is turning into a fun offseason and we can just sit back and watch our rivals spew their load premature ejaculation. Then we take over the draft and anything else to improve but not over pay.


I'm stoked more than ever for 2022 season.

You’re a ****ing reerun.

yeah raiders really going to regret signing one of the best pass rushers and recievers in football. .

you have to be the dumbest member on this site

worked for the Rams..worked for the Bucs, worked for the Chiefs. .

last 3 superbowl winners have made huge offseason moves in free agency...so yes

Its definitely no lie, Bowz

The AFCW is loading up like I've honestly never seen before, like a Cold War worthy arms race, talking about some pretty fearsome edge combos and backfields

All we can do is trust that Veach is eagle eying everything, and has a very specific plan in place to counter them... but I'm not afraid to say I fear for Brown Jr at LT facing elite competition six times a year

He earned my respect, but not necessarily my complete trust over there last season... Veach needs to miracle up some offensive scares to keep them all honest

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So let&#39;s recap this AFC West offseason<br><br>Broncos: Russell Wilson, DJ Jones, Randy Gregory<br>Chargers: JC Jackson, Khalil Mack<br>Chiefs: Well, they still got Patrick Mahomes <br>Raiders: Davante Adams, Chandler Jones</p>&mdash; Chris Rosvoglou (@RosvoglouReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/status/1504602284919074823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AFCW is lit.

Veach ain’t stupid. He knows standing still, hold ‘em and hope for the best gets you beat in the NFL. He’s got a plan. Most of these deals we’d be pissed if Veach did them. They way overpaid. They are desperate.

BUT DOING STUFF IS EXCITING. SITTING BACK IS BORING.


Something like that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The AFC West is going all in on the Bengals blue print to beat the Chiefs with their moves so far. Have edge rushers, upper echelon QB and throw a trio of elite athletes against them. And the moves also help them keep pace with the Bengals and Bills.</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1504607033487732739?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I can’t believe Chief fans reactions to these signings. WTF? :( We are being chased. We are not falling behind.

Everyone knew that going into year 5 of the Mahomes era, the AFC teams would try to do something, get desperate to try to catch up. We haven’t done shot yet. Drafted a single player and we are still obviously better than any of the other teams.

I can't believe anyone could think it's all good. It's not. All the other teams in the division have gotten a lot better thus far and the Chiefs have not improved.

So? You really think Veach is doing nothing to improve the team this off season?

Have we started training camp? Is game 1 next week? Patience grasshopper. Last I checked Mahomes is still on the beach.

Exactly. Some here are in serious denial as to the changing landscape in the AFC West, and in the AFC in general.

They don’t think it’s good they’re pissed like the rest of us. But they won’t admit it because it’s more fun for them to bash the posters raising concerns about our lack of activity. Thus far we’ve lost a solid starting CB in Ward, signed an average/above average S to replace an aging vet, lost a decent role playing WR in Pringle and that’s it. We need help badly at Edge, RT, WR, and CB and have done nothing to address these issues because the Chiefs are cash strapped and the rest of the division isn’t.

Reminder - we had Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill in the AFCCG and scored 3 points in the 2nd half against a very mediocre Bengals defense. Having Mahomes isn’t a get out of jail free card.

I think that Varch has been severely outplayed so far by every team in the AFC West. Maybe it's by design, maybe the numbers just won't work... However, your points about the improvements the Chiefs can still make are not exclusive to them. Every other team can also still improve through the draft, in addition to how they have immensely improved during preseason. The Chiefs are behind.

We didn’t make it to a 3rd consecutive super bowl!?

That’s unacceptable.

We should cut everyone!

I don’t think it’s “all good”, but we don’t know the plan yet. Clearly the plan wasn’t to be the highest bidder for the big names. We replaced Mathieu, but it sure seems like our plan is going to be different than what people might have expected based on years past.

I honestly don’t mind the lesser known FA and drafting approach. We still have guys with talent on this roster and I’m sure we will add some guys who will contribute more than we realize at this point.

Nah, just like the Chiefs losing in the 1st quarter of a game, people are weeping about what's in front of them with blinders on.

It's one thing to raise an eyebrow at some of the moves, but we have no idea what the plan is at the moment, how much the Chiefs have been involved thus far (there is this thing where they can go after someone and not get them), what they're looking to do.

Ya'll can be as mad as you want, but the seriously reeruned thing is in day 2 of free agency, talking about how it all WILL impact next season, like opening weekend is Sunday.

But, just like all the times the Chiefs have come back from those insurmountable first quarter deficits that you guys cry about, there's really no explaining it.... the chicken littles will always find something to cry about or a complete unknown to panic about.

Just let it out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I signed in KC in 16 I faced Justin Houston + Tamba Hali in practice.<br><br>Then Von Miller + DeMarcus Ware, Khalil Mack + Bruce Irvin, and Melvin Ingram + Joey Bosa twice a year.<br><br>Chiefs OTs now? Maxx Crosby + Chandler Jones, Mack + Bosa, Randy Gregory + Bradley Chubb. <br><br>LOADED</p>&mdash; Mitchell Schwartz (@MitchSchwartz71) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchSchwartz71/status/1504162977670664192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I really don't think so not where we are at with cap numbers and dealing for aging vets giving up draft picks just isn't the way to do it. Somehow we got to make it through this season and get the best out of Clark but we had to pay the price to get the Super Bowl in the first place. Houston wasn't getting it done and what Ford did was inexplicable so at the time you make moves that are right at the time. Then down the road you got to look at it through the GM eyes two three even four years down the road and I think that is what we are doing now so that we will still be good doing our best in the draft and farming out the older players.

Really I watched this and our rivals blew their wad or prematurely ejaculated because they took the older vets and gave up a lot of draft picks and then pay these vets high price denaro. I like our approach because Tex when the dust settles it will be us still on top of the mountain.

Two three four years from now we will look back at this year and be laughing at our rivals that will lucky to win 7 to 9 games. While we will still be riding high.

How are they going keep up without first second 4th or 5th draft picks they've all given up high price and have to pay high price for a return that more risk than reward.

exactly how they are looking at us now..we are nowing paying for our Superbowl. . like i said a mini rebuild for 2 years. .not a fire sale rebuild but a mini 2 or 3 years of being a "good" team. .

its part of the cycle..and im tired of people saying we build from the draft...because lately we groom these young guys and let them walk when they want what they deserve ..

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Patrick Mahomes is the BIG BAD WOLF!

They could just do what the Rams did / do. :shrug:

Why is everyone tits up already?

Teams are going to try to improve... duh.

The only move that has given me much pause is Mack to the Chargers. They are a good overall team to begin with and Mack opposite Bosa is a huge upgrade for them. They still have to replace 50% of their IDL with Jones, Covington, and Joseph all UFAs.

The same goes for the Raiders. Sure, they added Adams but losing those picks doesn't help them replace their SLB or the 5 IDL they lost. They got nice pickups in Nichols and Jones but Jones is 32 so his best days may be behind him. Raiders may get better but they aren't anywhere near competing with KC yet, IMO.

The Broncos gave up a haul for Wilson, which doesn't help them fix all the holes in that defense. Yes, Wilson helps them win games, no doubt about it. Gregory is good when he's available, which isn't often. The same goes for Chubb. He had a great rookie year but hasn't been much since. The Broncos, honestly, worry me about as much as the Raiders in terms of real threat to the division.

To me it's still between KC and LA.

Veach is playing it smart and not overspending right out of the gate. There are plenty of good players that will be had for good deals yet.

To all the Chiefs Kingdomaniacs let me tell you brothers and sisters

Chiefs Offensive line is loaded. I'm preaching Orlando Brown Joe Thuney Creed Humphrey Trey Smith Wiley or someone better most likely by week one.

So **** **** **** the division trying to get to Patrick Mahomes II he has a knack for destroying blitzing teams oh and now that he has an offseason to figure out cover 8 the NFL is ****ed Patrick Mahomes is going into his prime years we haven't seen the best out of Patrick Mahomes .


Think about the continuity we have for these guys on the line and they are bruisers. Trey enjoys knocking the shit out of on coming linebackers.


**** ALL YOU PUSSIES THAT ARE GOING DOUBT THE CHIEFS BEFORE WEEK ONE


Our line is ****ing loaded our offensive line is ****ing loaded. Pffft what did Bosa do to us last year? Week 3 he had 5 tackles and 1 sack week he had 3 tackles and shared a sack so .5 La De ****ing Da

K Mack is coming off of foot surgery missed much of last year I'm sure he will be ready but will he be anything to fear? Not with our line and Trey Smith is going pancake his ass.

Watchya gonna do when Chiefs Kindomaniacs runs wild on you"

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Big seeding game for who? The Bengals? Maybe. The Chiefs still got the #2 seed and ended up hosting the AFC Title Game, yet again. Everyone knew the Titans were frauds and would lose their first game. Hell, pretty much everyone on here universally predicted it. So the ‘seeding game’ against the Bengals really didn’t even matter.

The amount of football I watch is not really applicable to our discussion, but I do know how to spell you’re, you ****ing rerunned dumbass.

BTW, when did you turn into such a beta pussy? Disappointing dude. Sack up.

I want to see him catch 3 yard passes and turn them in to 10 to 13 gains and once in a while take it to the house.

You mean like this second from bottom?

Y'all mother ****ers are underestimating CEH and what he can bring. Granted he has to stay healthy we need another dynamic back but Clyde can be elite running back and he will make fools of you.

Keep ****ing doubting him.

i say we sacrafice Rasputin the the football Gods and ask for the Chiefs to aquire Kareem Hunt in return. .

Think it's fine to say you expect it to still be between KC and LA, but the upgrades for the others are significant. The Broncos don't have a ton of holes in their defence that i can see, and given everyone was saying "come back when you've got a QB" well, now they have. That was the major hole and difference.

There's a long way to go but there's a crazy amount of homers pretending like nothing has changed. This is now comfortably the toughest division and every game is going to be a slog. At this point every team has imprroved more than KC. It's going to be interesting to see who now comes in.

all these teams making huge moves trying to beat us.

Does anyone remember what happened with the Eagles during Reid's last year (or close to it)? The year that they went out and signed a bunch of high profile free agents and because of that they were instant favorites to win it all and then disappointed and didn't even make the playoffs?

Chiefs are a good team but they are not like way up here and all the rest are way down there. Some of you guys act like there is no stopping you no matter what any team does. Chiefs are 2 games a year out of 16 or 17 and of course division rivals want to beat them but it's not the end of the world if they don't. Chiefs were exposed last year and that great QB WR and TE was shut the **** down hard. PM is not the same guy when he is being chased, of course he has made some great throws on the run but the pressure will be coming hard next year, he won't just be sitting in that pocket going through his reads as slowly as before. Raiders will suffer the same problem , the edge rushers have really upgraded this year and you can't double team but so many rushers.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Laugh all you want but the Bangles shut you guys down hard and DC's all across the NFL have studied the tape...

'Exposed' is one second half meltdown at the end of a run of 11 wins in 12?

That loss was more of what we didn’t do rather than what the Bengals defense did to us..

Which Bengals loss are you guys discussing?

The AFC Championship game.

I doubt if you even remember what the playoffs are, since its been 7 years since you've been there.

Kinda.

All that has to happen to get edge rushers on their heels, is for Reid to pull his head out of his ass and stick with the running game. Had he done that against the Bengals, with KC up a few scores and gashing them for over 5 yards a carry, KC wins the game easily.

Improving more is relative. I expect the other teams in the division, who have been worse and have much more cap flexibility, to improve "more." The real question is whether or not you feel like they improved so much they will unseat KC.

The Chiefs have been to the AFC title game 4 straight years and no team has been significantly close in the division to matching them straight-up sans the Chargers last season. Sure, the Chiefs have laid an egg a couple of times and still came out on top, but you never got the feeling they were simply outmatched overall.

Do I think the division got a lot tougher? Absolutely. That doesn't mean I'm going to throw in the towel. The Chiefs can still do things in free agency (they haven't even touched restructuring Mahomes yet if they find a guy they really want). The Chiefs have 4 picks before day 3 comes. They can get more talent.

The Chargers, for me, are the team that added the most significant pieces. They were a pain in the Chiefs' ass and just got two big-time pieces on that defense in Mack and Jackson. Those are heavy hitters for an already really good defense. At this point, they are basically looking at just losing Kyzir White, across the board, and still have a full draft.

The Broncos are probably number two for me. I think they leap the Raiders at this point but they aren't on the same level with KC and LA yet, even with a QB (at least IMO). They lost a ton of depth in the secondary at this point. I don't think you can overlook losing Bryce Callahan at the nickel and Kareem Jackson at SS if they don't re-sign (which they might). I'm keeping my eye on what they do with the rest of free agency with keen eyes though.

The Raiders improved the ability to rush the passer on their DLine, but I feel like Nichols is a lateral move to Quinton Jefferson and they still lost a ton of depth. Obviously, getting Chandler Jones is a huge boost if he continues to produce at the level we're used to seeing. Adams undoubtedly helps that offense. We're still talking about a team that couldn't stay within 30 points of KC last year though, so we'll see.


So the big question I have right now isn't what the division did but what can KC best do to counter these moves?

It may just mean getting much better at RT. All three teams have dual threats on the edge now, and so too do most of the contenders in the AFC.

I'd still sign Texans' free agent Geron Christian, who is adequate as a swing starter. I'd also look a little harder at improving earlier in the draft at RT. There are some okay options on day 2 and I don't know if I'd rule out Raimann at 30, especially if Veach goes and gets a guy like Za'Darius Smith on the edge yet in free agency.

Alot of time remains for the puzzle to come together yet, so I'll hold some judgement until we see what the pieces are.

Bangles FORCED the Chiefs into a one dimensional game, The one flaw the Chiefs have is they are greedy as hell, Won't take what the D gives them and tries to always forCE the play style, There are times when that is appropriate especially when playing against a shitty D like my Raiders but when a team decides to live and die by the sword and targets people they are going to REFUSE or severely reduce their production on the field you must adapt and gash that team in other ways to force them to loosen the coverages to protect closer to the line. Chiefs were cocky and use to getting their way but on this day that cockiness cost them another loss in the SBo:-)

Great post.

Compared to most years, I think everyone would agree that the talent being brought into the division is much better overall than it has been in a long time.

KC is the team to beat, no doubt. The last 2 seasons, the Chiefs have not really been threatened. The talent additions are strong and will prove to be very significant for the Chargers, Broncos and Raiders. KC's path to winning the division is a lot harder, not impossible by any means.

Top to bottom, this should be the most balance we've seen these 4 teams be in the same year. It will be a dog fight.

LSo we can count on you for the weekly AFC West game threads again!

Or is that only if Denver is good and everyone else is bad, like last go around?

Seriously, as I've said many times... I believe I stopped those back in the 2013 season before DEN was stomped by SEA in the SB. I've done them maybe twice since then because you asked. So, it's been nearly a decade, but keep typing as if I quit in 2016.

And, no... I won't bring those back, it creates too much butthurt.

This was the last in the series that I posted... ended in 2013, when Denver beat KC week 11, 2013. I was pretty close to accurate on the score too by the way.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=278493

I've already been poisoned shot several times beat tied up and thrown into a frozen river and floated down under the ice where I emerged and survived so the sacrifice would be in vain.



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ouch

Ouch is the word. In fairness, I'd hate to be confronted with all of my terrible predictions.

woof

Oh word?

It sucks that the AFCW is stuck with mr limited for another 4 years LMAO

Man this thread is full of terrible takes.

It also has DTVietnam and 493rd showing their vaginas to the entire world.