I'd give them 4-121 and 7-259 for Shenault and 5-157. Makes Shenault's value about the same as the pick they'd be giving up. No ****ing way I'd give up a day 2 pick for him and I feel generous giving the higher 4th. I'd just assume drafting a guy that fits a bit better than giving up any more than that, plus you're only getting 2 years out of the guy instead of 4.

That's 3 of the worst droppers in the league in one WR corp. Gross.

Yep. Go find guys that haven’t blown up on their drafted team and bring them in. You’ve got a guy with untapped potential on a rookie contract to work with. Sprinkle in some rookie WRs with a guy like Shenault and then a vet….and we’ll be fine.

What stats are you using?

Drops are an extremely subjective (and unofficial?) stat anyway.

The Panthers may need picks to trade up for a Qb at some point.

Send them a first for DJ Moore.

Shenault had an over 70% catch rate his rookie year. The only player on that list who has catch issues is MVS and if we didn’t sign him….it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Pretty sure he just extended as well. Not happening.

The guy they JUST signed to an extension? You gotta actually check numbers before throwing out names.

If we're looking at 2-year WRs, I'd love to pry Van Jefferson from LA and Quez Watkins from Philly

I want a more true 3-down back as well. I think that's what they thought they were getting with Clyde Edwards-Helaire. I will always wonder if he would have still been the pick had they been able to have a normal run-up to that draft, with in-person workouts and etc.

I don't think trading for McCaffery is the answer. I think finding that guy cheap and young is the answer.

There are several backs in this draft that profile that way. And won't require premium picks to get them (Day 3).

I’d be good with Jefferson. Not sure Philly would want to let go of Watkins considering they don’t have shit else.

We all thought that, because someone (Andy?) said he was going to be the Chiefs' Westbrook.

But we haven't used him like that AT ALL.

How bout just draft a guy Vreach likes and call it a day. We got ammo to move up in the draft . I know the focus is the D line and pass rush but we do have a void at WR but plenty of picks and Vrouch will find us a daisy.

Why would the Jaguars want to trade this guy?

Seems they'd want to surround their new QB with talented players.

He never worked his way up the depth chart last year under Meyer.
They just spent a ton of money on two new WRs.
Pederson didn’t draft him.

This is good news, since this clown is usually wrong about literally everything. Nice to see he's carried shitting all over every game thread into the offseason as well.

Hella on the Shenault bandwagon. Been wanting him since rumors broke the Jags could move him.

Perfect, he's already under contract.

Intriguing guy for sure, but I wouldn't want us to give up too much for him. I would draw the line at anything over a 3rd. Loved watching him when I lived in CO and he played for CU. Thought he'd project better in the NFL, but so far he hasn't really panned out like I thought he would. If used the right way it seems like he could be a nice asset. He just "out-athleted" most college guys, that's a little harder to do in the pros.

Well, let's be honest... he hasn't been in a great situation his first two seasons.

Minshew and then a rookie with the bullsh at HC and all that drama.

Still, he had a solid rookie season with 58 catches and over 600 yards with 5 TDs. Similar production last season, but 0 TDs and his catch rate dropped with the rookie QB.

I think he has a lot of upside with a solid QB and system. Hell, if he can be had for a 4, I would like Denver to go get him.

It’s amazing that people are concerned about a rookie WR having an impact on this team when Andy Reid got so much out of Hardman and Tyreek their rookie years.

Those guys were still learning to play the ****ing position, more or less the offense, and they both had 500+ yards and several TDs.

It also helps when you have a future HOF QB.

They were used as weapons. It’s not like they were running the entire route tree.

Is it fair to think that Reid would be able to figure out how to work them in? Yes. But they aren’t coming in day one and being Justin Jefferson.

An impact is an impact.

Whoever we draft is likely to be a more polished WR than those guys were in year 1.

I’m not saying we should expect them to come in and be a 1,000 yard WR or anything, but you don’t have to be to have an impact.

Mahomes certainly helps...

Smith was the QB for Hill's rookie season, but Hill is also a rare talent. Aside from Kelce, Maclin was the only other real threat.

Hardman - he played with Mahomes and was behind Kelce, Hill, Watkins in the pecking order. Since his rookie year, he really hasn't changed much with his production. REC's have increased but not the yardage really (YPC is 1/2 of what he had his rookie year and TDs have fallen.

Hardman was a beneficiary of Mahomes and the surrounding talent more than Hill was - Hill is just a different level. So, going out and finding the next Hardman... not really the plan, if it were me.

This isn’t about finding the next Hardman, or Tyreek for that matter. That wasn’t at all the point.

I get it... but you used those 2 guys as evidence that Andy can pluck rookies from the draft and turn them into success stories. Just providing a bit of background.

No, I said that Andy Reid took 2 guys that were still learning the position and got an impact year 1.

Nobody said anything about “success stories”.

Same thing really... no big deal.

Are you denying that those guys had an impact despite being incredibly raw? I don’t really see how that’s debatable.

Not sure it is an Andy thing but it is tough for a rookie wr to have an impact. Our problem is that it is looking like we need a late 1st rounder rookie Wr to be a solid #2 wr right out of the gate.

Tyreek is just different - yes, he had an impact. Hardman was just a guy, likely could have had one of a dozen other guys (rookie or not) at that spot in the depth chart put impactful numbers up. I don't think there was anything special about him being a rookie.

Your personal opinion of either of these guys is irrelevant to the point.

We’re talking about rookie WRs having an impact in Andy’s offense.

Also, Hardman really came along down the stretch this year, and he was already the best gadget guy in the NFL, so this idea that he’s a JAG is pretty silly.

He made the Pro Bowl his rookie year as a returner and had 538 yards and 6 TDs. That’s an impact by the very definition. How you personally feel about him as a player has literally nothing to do with the point.

Have there been any updates on this situation?

Rep for any useful answers. I don't have the time to read through 100 posts.

Jaguars probably won't trade anyway. KC won't give enough. Most fans would rather draft the next Cornell Powell rather than going higher than a 4th. End of story.

If he’s an up and coming player ready to breakout, why do the Jags want to trade him?

Nothing substantial, no.

Would the Wash Football team trade Scary Terry?

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Looks like Sammy Watkins during his EJ Manuel tour.

Did Brad Peach sign this piece of shit yet?

Just another JAG

Yeah...he's on the Jaguars. You would be correct.

Shenault is about to pop. He would be a 1100 yard guy in our offense. Not a Tyreek Hill but it may help us be in better shape with (3) legit WR options and Kelce instead of just (2) guys total we'll have (4) guys to help move the sticks. Two speedsters in Hardman and MVS.

QB: Mahomes

RB 1: Ronald Jones
RB 2: Clyde Edwards-Hellaire

TE: Travis Kelce
TE 2: Draft one

WR 1: Laviska Shenault
WR 2: JuJu Smith-Schuster
WR 3: Marquez Valdes-Scantling
WR 4: Mecole Hardman

Just another Just Another Guy?

I’m all in on this. I think McLaurin could be as good as Tyreek - in a different way, sure, but the dude is sick talented.

That would be a wet dream.

No way it happens. Hope I'm wrong.

No way the commies trade Scary Terry. I'd take Terry over viska but just dont see it happening.

McLaurin is a bigger TY Hilton.

Loved him in that draft, had him as a 1st round talent. Then the dumb Washington team picks him and says they liked his special teams play...

Yikes!

I don't think so.

We would have to trade some very valuable picks for him (1st +) and then pay him as an elite WR as well, when by that measure we may as well have just paid Tyreek instead.

This will happen on draft day.

Please let this come to pass.

Which would you rather do?

Laviska for our second 3rd
(23 years old, 2 years left on deal - $2m, $2.5m)

Lockett for our first 2nd
(29 years old, 4 years left on deal - $10m, $16m, $24m, $24m)

Cooks for our second 3rd
(28 years old, 3 years left on deal - $16m, $5m, $2.5m)

Viska.

We need to get younger and cheaper. We need upside.

None.

I think a 4th could get Shenault though and I'm willing to do that.

If a 4th takes him idk why hes not on the roster yet.

If we offer a 4th and the Jaguars counter with the compensatory 3rd you do it? Think I'd just go ahead and say yes.

If I'm forced to take one of those....then I'll do Shenault for #103.

Yeah I would. I'd try and get a late pick back....maybe a 6th. Or use one of our 7th round picks in the trade to get their 6th.

This year or next years?

Something like:

Chiefs get: Shenault and #188
Jaguars get: #103 and #243

Wouldn't that be nice. But I don't like the fact this was made public.

Nate Taylor said some thought this was done yesterday. *before MVS i believe*

A.

LS2KC!

if his middle name is James or Jonathan or something - we could call him LJS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but has to have 69 exclamation points following!

Cooks and Lockett are both better fits for what we need right now.

How much for Locket AND Metcalf instead?

Cooks is 1 concussion away from being a vegetable and there’s no indication that Seahawks are actually willing to trade Lockett, just rumors.

Veach doesn’t want older guys that are around 30, especially if they’re goin got cost a high draft pick. He wants young high upside guys.

I liked Shenault in the draft and I'd probably be OK with the 103 pick going for this - but his 40 was a little concerning alongside not exactly setting the world alight. Not totally convinced we don't just have a crack at WR at that point. A 4th I'd be very happy with.

which is why he's awesome.

Juju
MVS
Hardman
Shenault
Rookie

Kelce
Fortson
Gray
Bell

That's too bad.

We need actual players right now that challenge a defense.

Starting to think it’s gonna take a 3.

If a 4 would’ve done it, it would be done by now.

If it takes #103 then I’m fine with it.

I wouldn’t do it pre-draft.

There could be a CB or even WR I like more than him at 103. It’s a good spot for safety or RB as well. There are a TON of athletic LBs likely to be available there.

And again, I like Shenault, but you’re only getting him for 2 years. That is a substantial ding in his value.

I wouldn’t give up 103 until I knew who was there for me.

Are we guessing or is there speculation that a 4th will do it…

I think it’s a better chance that it doesn’t happen now anyways.

Theres pretty minimal speculation about the whole thing.

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