Yeah, Mosley gets them back to the tourney bubble.

18 wins with 20 as a possibility but it really depends on how they incorporate him. How will Gates use an Iso ball scorer? He’s not a ‘let Mosley cook’ sort of coach from what I can tell.

But if they use a small ball lineup similar to what Haith did that first season, they can do some things with Brown at the 5 that’ll make them a tough out.

Mosley is a massive add for sure.

Fyp

Diarra-Brown-Mosley-Hodge-East

Brown-Carter-Mosley-Gholston-Honor

^ probably the top two lineups right now.

Both offer a lot more skill and scoring punch than Mizzou has been able to put on the floor since CuonzNOs first year.

Mosley's NIL deal is 250k plus a car and house. His deal in Springfield was 150k

FijiTiger prolly ass-ploded hearing this !

That's nothing compared from the cash siphoned from your trash football program to your hoopers.

Money well spent

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022...superJumbo.jpg

Whoa that's alot. I'm also surprised MO state could pay a guy 150k too

Haven't watched that trash in a few years. College hoops is a very poor product. 1 fluke shot way from being empty in the 30 years I did watch though ROFL

Especially in a secondary sport

For some universities, it’s their main sport.


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Mizzou has no idea what a championship feels like.

Mosley is a good pickup for the slavers though.

At least some universities have a main sport.

Yes he is.

We going undefeated bitches! Eat shit KU fans. Get outta my thread.

Tigerboard is the worst P.O.S message board ever. The design is ****ing horrid.

Mizzou has never had a chance to win championships, there are too many Jayhawkers running the NCAA.

A beaker raider ROFL good lord

Worst human on earth.


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I've become so damn jaded with college sports right now that I see announcements like these and think "well...until someone comes along with a better NIL offer...."

Or just presume we'll have him for a season and if he does well THEN someone will come along with a better NIL offer. Or if he proves to be a dynamic young player, some better team will just snipe him because they can.

This combination of free transfers and NILs has turned the college game into a more mercenary style sport than ANY of the professional sports. I really wish they'd have found some way to come in for a soft landing here instead of just say "eh, **** it - wild wild west time!!!"

Wasn't that kind of inevitable especially in football with the "covid" year. Guys getting extra eligibility is going to cause movement

I'm used to one of my favorite teams being a farm team for the rest of the sport. Royals have been there for most of my adult life.

It's always nice when we can inject race into a basketball discussion . . . . .

The lowest form of human life is a Faider/Chickensquawk fan.


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Not if they didn't also make the 'free transfer' thing permanent at the same time as the rise of the NIL deal providing straight up financial incentive to jump programs.

I liked the idea of letting kids transfer out if/when their coach gets fired. That seems eminently reasonable. I don't even mind some sort of accomodation for NIL deals. But I wish they'd have been run through the the schools via a stipend of some sort.

Letting businesses/boosters really just buy players by working with their 'advisors' and getting into bidding wars is just really bad for college sports. It's essentially the same as making every player in one of the 4 major sports leagues a FA every season and then removing any sort of salary cap.

They need to make it where there is a cap on the amount these kids can get, but there should be 2 different caps. Give them 2 options;

Sign a contract that keeps that player at that school until they are no longer college athletes.

Or

No contract, but the cap on what they can make is significantly lower than if they would sign a contract.

I don't know what the amounts would be, but this would probably keep kids at the original school.

Almost like 'Bird Rights' as it relates to college players.

I just don't think college sports benefit in the slightest from the instability. And over a long-enough timeline, when college sports suffer, so too will the players.

I understand every one of these kids getting what they can, while they can. But doesn't the NCAA have some obligation to its members to do something to keep this from swirling down the drain? They get bopped on the nose so they just took their hands off the wheel and now things have gone completely sideways.

It appears to me to be a complete failure of leadership.

They sent from one extreme to the other. God forbid they do a little bit of work and figure out a happy medium.

Which is pretty much the defining aspect of Emmert's decade-plus at the helm.

His business cards probably say:

Mark Emmert
Complete Failure of Leadership
National Collegiate Athletic Association
Indianapolis, Indiana

That is one hell of a compliment coming from you. Thanks

So Mizzou opened against Southern Indiana and pulled out the 97-91 win.

Mizzou went into the half up 47-31. Southern Indiana was 1-13 from 3 point range in the first half. Those mother****ers caught fire in the 2nd half and went 14-17 (83%)! They scored 60 in the 2nd half and 42 of those points came off threes.

Kobe Brown is preseason 1st Team All SEC and he 20 points and 14 rebounds. So pretty good game!

Everyone always hits their threes against Mizzou, it’s ridiculous. Snakebit school all around.

And it's usually the Southeast Nowhere State schools that do that :banghead:

Just for what it's worth, Mizzou has lost this exact game (including in the NCAA tournament) a dozen times in the last 10 years.

A mid-major gets hot behind the arc, Mizzou isn't hitting their 3s, they lose by 8.

Was this a pretty game? No - but until we see a trend of teams drilling 3s against us like they did with Haith (who's teams gave up 3s because their perimeter defense was dog-shit), I'll just consider this one bad luck and a decent team pulling off a win anyway.

I don't think Mizzou is going to give up 50% from behind the arc often. I don't think they'll shoot 25% from behind the arc often either.

In the end I'll take the win here - if only because we've lost this game a LOT in the past.

Oh, and Aiden Shaw actually played. As opposed to many of our higher profile freshmen who Cuonzo used to bury. It's a nice start.

Oh yeah, and it's amazing how your turnover percentage plummets when you put actual point guards on the floor and emphasize smart ball movement, eh?

Man, I don't care if the records end up the same as the Martin era, last night was just different. It was a team that was actually fun to watch because it wasn't just a bunch of Norm Stewart era pluggers out there trying to scrap their way to Ws. There was skill on the floor and they were allowed to showcase it.

Cuonzo was just so damn antiquated and it was never more apparent than one game into the Gates era. Maybe Gates is just mediocre in a different way - we'll see. But he's different in a more aesthetically pleasing manner and for now I'll take that.

As I was watching I kept thinking "last years team loses this game". Every time they would hit a couple threes & close to single digits Mizzou would answer with solid offensive possessions to re widen the gap.

Last years team would have definitely folded to one of those runs. I do think part of the amount of threes they made had to do with Mizzou still figuring out the switching defense they're running, but even leaving people wide open most teams won't shoot over 80% from three for a half.

Such a smart decision Mosley made. 4 points, didn't even start. Hope the money is worth it.

Exactly.

I mean wide open shooters in college don't hit that ball 85% of the time.

Basic regression probably takes at least 9 points off the board and a 15 point win in a debut is a cruise.

It was a good first step. I think Mizzou ends up a bubble team most of the year and eventually comes up short, but if Shaw is as advertised and the perimeter play (offense and defense) tightens up as one would expect, they could sneak in.

I only was able to catch the second half last night (boy scouts. 10 7-year olds in a room. As fun as watching Kim Anderson coach basketball), but I liked several things:

1) Length and athleticism upgrades. This team is way longer and more athletic at every spot, and that is huge.

2) Versatility and skill upgrades. This team has more skilled players and more players who can do multiple things. It's a more modern hoops looking squad. So nice to NOT see some big lug get minutes just because he's large.

3) Pace and depth! Wow. They played a lot of guys, and I think the rotation will tighten up. But I really like what I saw from the squad. It can go 9-10 deep without making you cringe, and that's a major change.

Shaw's length and athleticism really popped off the screen. Kobe Brown looks like a really dynamic player when he has good players around him. I like East's ability to penetrate and distribute, and the little teardrop floater is (chef's kiss). With Mosely and Hodge, they have a pair of long wing scorers. Honor has a nice role as a spot-up shooter and secondary ball handler. I think we'll utlimately see the rotation tighten up and look like this:

Diarra/Shaw
Kobe Brown
Mosely
Hodge
East

Bench
Honor
Diarra/Shaw
Carter
Gholston
Gomillion

I'm not sure it's a tourney team, but it can get close. And will be more fun to watch than most Mizzou teams in the past decade.

The 2015 Warriors wouldn't do that most nights

So none of y'all have any reason to remember this guy, but Jed Frost, a walk-on for the '94 team that went undefeated in Big 8 play, killed his wife and committed suicide a couple days ago.

He coached my HS Basketball team; took us from a 1 win season to the state finals the following year. I had him for one of those blowoff gym classes my Senior year; kind of a surly guy but mostly just a forgettable washed up jock/HS Coach sort of gruff. Nothing of any note, really. Though he did make my buddy do pushups until he couldn't move his arms because he insisted on not wearing underwear to gym class and his dick fell out in the warm-up lines.

"Nobody wants to see your dick, son - so just !@#$ the floor for a bit if you can't figure out something better to do with it..."

So that's a thing that happened.

Shit man. I didn't realize you knew him. I have a few friends who had worked with him/covered him while he was coaching.

I hadn't given him any thought until I won a basketball signed by that '94 team and saw his name on it. "oh shit, it's Coach Frost!"

First time I'd thought about him in a decade. Last time for another decade. So it's hard to say I 'knew' him really.

But hey - that's the 2nd dude I've conversed with who murdered someone. I had the most bizarre conversation of my life in Atlanta before the SEC Championship game against Auburn with none other than Ryan Ferguson. We were pretty sure we knew who he was, but he introduced himself as Robert or some shit like that.

Then he started trying to get us to talk shit on Kevin Crain because we were from Columbia and he found out I was an attorney. Then after like an hour of just generally being weird at the bar, he 'fessed up'. ****ing weird cat.

He absolutely killed Heitholt.

I knew Ferguson, too. He was buddies with a bunch of my townie COMO Rock Bridge friends, and a J-School pal was part of the team that helped him get exonerated (and also was on his short-lived show on MTV).

Of course, my knowledge of him was pre-Kent's murder (I was in J-school at the time of that and had met him. Nicest guy in the world.)

Re: Frost, it looks like the wife filed for divorce right before the murder-suicide. Sucks. They had a 9- and 5-year-old.

Drugs will **** ya right up...

Yeah, the Frost thing is pretty much one of those worst case scenario sorts of things. I just don't think there's any way to really identify that kind of darkness.

"Signs of Depression" and what not happen all the time, especially when financial hardship and divorce are in play. But they don't often yield that. It just seems completely unpredictable when things go THAT far.

Anyone got a stream?

My go-to's are coming up blank. Is it even televised in Columbia?

It's on ESPN+. You can get it Disney plus and Hulu in a package for like $13.

DJLN, Duncan, anyone else that might know.

Whats going on with Isiaih Mosley?

He s got to be better than Kobe Browns brother

I read on TB that he was riding the bench for skipping some classes. But, it’s TB so caveat emptor.

Just saw this… my go-to for streams is vipbox dot tv. Lots of ads to navigate but if you figure that out the streams are usually quality

WTF?

Yeah, I have the response. I was a sophomore at Mizzou when that happened. Don’t remember much of it while I was there as I was pretty much drunk and chasing tail 24/7 but I’ve followed the story rather closely over the years.

And I know that shows like Dateline and other documentary type specials can present a one sided story that serves their narrative, but I’ve never read or seen anything that led me to think he actually killed him.

What am I missing?

Here's a cool stat. So far this season Dennis Gates' Missouri Tigers have had 20 or more assists in all 3 games. Cuonzo's Tiger teams had no 20 assist games in 5 years.

Wow. That is eye-opening. Looks like we're on the right track.

I don't disagree that the prosecutor did some shady shit in how he pursued the case.

But the evidence that DOES exist is plenty damning and would've been sufficient for a conviction 9 times out of 10. And frankly, the people that 'recanted' did so under circumstances just as shady, if not moreso, than anything Crane ever did. Both Erickson and Trump shifted their stories more in their recantation of their original testimony than they did in providing the testimony the first time.

Hell, even in recanting, Erickson went from saying he did it but Ferguson was a bystander to saying he didn't do it to saying he doesn't remember anything so he's pretty sure he didn't do it. Meanwhile after he'd been imprisoned he provided details to associates that weren't publicly available (witnesses he spoke to, key locations and details of the murder) and even admitted to striking Heitholt. In interviews after the fact he spoke of his own mental impressions upon striking Heitholt and the sounds Heithold made when he was hit. Oh, and he wrote apology letters from prison to Heitholt's family after he was convicted whereby he admitted to robbing and murdering Heithold and apologized for same.

Funny how he suddenly had 'amnesia' when he was remembering this stuff in vivid, graphic detail. Accurately and in ways that were not available to the public. Erickson is 100% making shit up at this point.

But as you've noted, Dateline, etc... doesn't cover it that way.

Do I think the conviction was properly overturned? Yeah - we have rules and Crane didn't work within them. Do I think Ferguson is 'innocent'? Not even a little bit. I was in law school at Mizzou at the time and followed the case closely. The people who are 'recanting' now were 100% more credible and believable in their initial testimony than they were when they changed their stories a decade later. It's not even close.

I simply don't buy it. I think Erickson and Ferguson were absolutely responsible for Heitholt's death. The rehab tour that the networks are willing to provide Ferguson absent any sort of critical analysis annoys the piss out of me.

Looking great tonight. Hodge is on a HEATER

And another 20 or more assists game.

I know we've played a bunch of cupcakes and it's only been 4 games, but we are 15th in the nation in ppg, 2nd in assists, 3rd in steals, 22nd in O-Rebounds, 38th in total rebounds.

We need to tighten up defensively, but I love this offense over the bullshit offense Clownzo and Kimmy Boy ran. We have 5 guys over 10 ppg and once Mosley is finally playing, then he will add even more offensive firepower.

5 straight games now with 20 or more assists. Really like what Gates is doing with this team. Its nice to see us just rack up points. Makes for exciting basketball.

If they had a legit 6-9 guy with some experience, this team could really make some noise.

As it is, they’re fun to watch and I see Gates getting the most out of the talent he has so far. Impressive.

Really hammers home the incompetence of CuonzNO. He’d probably have a few losses with the same squad and schedule.

He's be 3-2 or 2-3 and be scoring 65 ppg.

In all game but one they've had equal or more steals than turnovers.

Mosley is a ****ing stud too. That dude's gonna win us some tough games with his shooting.

I’m looking forward to seeing him and Kobe Brown running pick and roll action. Especially if Aidan Shaw is the weak side baseline guy in that action.

KU homer here.

I'm actually really pumped to see how our styles matchup in Columbia in a couple of weeks.

I really hope we can be competitive. ****ing CuonzNO and Kimmy Anderson ruined this team for too many years.

We're 6/6 at 20+ assist games. This is what previous years looked like with 20+ assist games.

2021 - 0
2020 - 0
2019 - 0
2018 - 1
2017 - 2
2016 - 1
2015 - 3
2014 - 3
2013 - 0
2012 - 3
2011 - 1
2010 - 6

Gotta go back 7 years to equal what Gates had done in his 1st 6 games.

Going to watch my first Mizzou basketball game this season this morning. Hope I don’t jinx them.

Against Houston Christian? They will likely win by 40 but the team is fantastic

***Official 2022-2023 Missouri Tigers Men's Basketball***
 

I was going to wait until the Wichita State game but I have a free day tomorrow. I can watch the game then flip it over to Ohio State vs Michigan afterwards.

Some stats about this team.

6th in ppg with 91.3
1st in assists per game 22.3 and total assists 134
7th in assist/turnover ratio with 134 to 73 or 1.84
7th in fast break points per game with 22.67
21st in FG% with 50.74
1st in turnover margin
2nd in steals, but first place has 87 in 7 games and we have 81 in 6
2nd in steals per game with 13.5

I love watching this team. I'm so excited to watch them go against someone that's actually good though. If CuonzNo is here, then I think this team is 4-2 at best and 3-3 is very likely. First of all that clown can't run an offense and 2nd of all he couldn't bring in anywhere close to the offensive firepower that Gates was able to recruit.

I'm so happy that I can finally enjoy Mizzou Basketball. I probably like them as much as I like the Chiefs.

Going to watch my first game in 2 years or so today. Gates has managed to get me intrigued.

Seems like a really fun group to root for. Bunch of kids trying to come together quickly and prove they belong in the SEC and the Horizon or MVC.

Dec 10th. Are you ready to rumble? I am going to kill myself if we lose to you clowns (unless we beat your football team in the Liberty Bowl instead)

Yeah it got boring. I’ll definitely watch the whole Wichita State game.

Boring for the right reasons. How many times would we say that under Martin or Kermit?

Wtf is going on with Mosley? He's back to the bench and doesn't have any minutes so far.

This team reminds me a lot of early CMA teams. A bit under-talented and undersized, but still a fun and energetic bunch that could end up surprising some teams. Maybe second round tourney exit? I’d certainly take that for year one of the Gates era

This perimeter D …. Yiiiikes