If Williams is healthy...he won't be there at 20.

Really good point here. This would be an excellent draft to restock the roster. I get it. I also hate seeing this window with one of the greatest TEs of all time vanish without enough firepower around mahomes to win it all again. When does kelce retire? I’d like to see a rookie wr come in like waddle and Devonta smith have and light it up and help this team win a championship.

If that's what you really want, why do you want Williams so bad? It's unlikely he's going to have that kind of impact year 1 while he's recovering.

Reids system usually takes a year to really learn...so it would be prudent to get a couple young WRs up to speed. Hardman likely wont be resigned...Pringle/Robinson/Hill are gone...JuJu in on a one year...if he's great, how much will he cost?

Then you have to pass on jameson. As much as I like him, I don’t want to give up our 2nd rounders. I’d be tempted to. The only situation where I’d give up a 2nd rounder would be if we could get one back. Say, if we traded up from 29 and then traded back from 30. Say Seattle wants to get in front of Detroit and wants to move up from 40 to 30 and we could somehow get back in the 2nd, Then I might be able to justify moving up a little higher for jameson. Watson has made me a little less desperate for jameson. His ceiling is :drool:

You get it.

I know I get it - Williams is quite the prospect. I know why you like him and in any normal year, I would too.

But trading up 10+ spots is just too costly for a guy trying to rehab a knee.

We have one of the best qbs ever and now he has limited firepower. Say kelce is injured this year and retires next year. Who’s pm throwing to next year? MVS and Fortson? I feel like we can sign average wrs in free agency cheap. I’d like to go for a legit game breaker. And jameson could still light it year one like waddle and Devonta. That’s one reason why I like him, I could see him being productive year 1. Again, all this is a guess. Just forecasting as best as possible.

This draft is so deep at WR, though.

I can't bring myself to draft for 2023 when we have 2022 needs and could conceivably get a WR in the 2nd round that satisfies BOTH without having to trade away picks...

Also, I wouldn't ever approach the draft thinking I needed a contingency plan for something freakishly random like Kelce getting a career-ending injury.

Let me just say this right now-

You guys that think we 'won't have enough firepower' to win are going to be very wrong.

Trading Hill was not punting on 2022. This team WILL be a play-off team, I fully expect that they'll be much better in January than September and that nobody's going to want to play them in the play-offs. I can't say they're going to the Super Bowl, because who knows? But they're going to be a really tough team, and they WILL be in contention. Book it.

I really like Williams and feel he is as close to replacing Tyreek as we could possibly expect. I really want him to be a Chief!

I also do NOT want to give up ANY of our top 8 picks!

The reason we all got excited about the possibility is that after the injury, we thought he could drop to us. Without that we would never have a shot at him.

If he does drop and hes there when we pick, I'll be ecstatic! This would give Patrick the deep shot, game breaker we lost trading Tyreek!!

If he is gone and we land a guy like Treylon Burks, I'll still be ecstatic! Sure we have a different offense now buts its still going to be incredible!

We have to many holes to fill and this draft is incredibly deep, allowing us to fill these holes with really good, cheap young talent!

As much as I like Williams, I want the team to be better overall even more!

I think Philly is going to take him at 19 so it doesn't matter

I would be really shocked if he was available at 29. Packers would snatch him in a heartbeat with one of their picks. You have to trade a second or third to get him. It's the only realistic option.

Packers may pass because their QB is 39. If Williams is less than 100% it doesn't help Rodgers in one of his last shots at the brass ring.

Probably true but the pack still probably takes a wr.

They almost never take a WR in round 1. They are just like the Steelers. They pluck value in the late 2nd.

The last time GB took a WR in round 1 was in 2002 when they took Javon Walker. That's right, 20 years since the Packers took a WR early. You have to go back another 14 years to get to the next time they did it when they took Sterling Sharpe in 1988.

Don't count on it.

If you want to bet on Green Bay, bet on the offensive and defensive line in the first this year. They need RT, LG, and DE pretty badly.

EDIT: I'd actually be inclined to bet on them trading 22 and 59 to Baltimore for 14 to take Penning. Perrion Winfrey makes a ton of sense at 28 if Wyatt is off the board. At 53 they can swing for a WR per their usual course. I see this as the spot for Watson who kind of fits their tall, fast profile of late.

Again, the history lesson is why I like chiefs planet. :clap:

Which teams do you feel are likely to take a WR in the first?

Detroit Lions - I don't see them going WR at #2 but I think it's on the table at 32 or in a trade up from 32. They signed DJ Chark and Amon-Ra St. Brown is a good piece but neither are a viable #1. If they can get a guy that has a chance to be "the guy," then I think they'll take the shot.

New York Jets - They are a popular pundit choice for a WR but I'm on the fence. Corey Davis isn't terrible even if he should be a #2, Elijah Moore looked good as a rookie, and they added Braxton Berrios in the slot. It really comes down to how they feel about Davis. I'm leaning towards they go WR, at least at 10.

Atlanta Falcons - I almost feel bad for Falcons fans. They now have no QB and no WRs. If the Falcons don't feel good about QB, they almost have to go WR. If I'm them, I load up around a future QB this year and get my QB next year when the crop should be much better.

Washington Commanders - Jury is out on whether they'll still go QB after trading for Carson Wentz, but they desperately need someone to take pressure off McLaurin. Curtis Samuel is back in the slot after missing most of last year but Dyami Brown didn't emerge as a rookie and Logan Thomas is very average at TE (and missed 2/3 of 2021 as well). They could look for someone that can take the top off and open things up underneath.

Minnesota Vikings - The Vikes are definitely a long shot to take a WR in 1 but they could look at the success the Bengals had and put another piece with Jefferson and Thielen. Thielen is also 32 and has been knicked up 3 years in a row. They could be a dark horse in the Jameson Williams sweepstakes, honestly. No pressure for him to rush back with them but could give them a really dynamic duo once he gets healthy and would replace Thielen in the long-term.

Houston Texans - They have the who's who of mercenary WRs on board this year with Cooks, Dorsett, and Conley. They also have Nico Collins, who looked okay as a rookie, and Chris Moore. You look at that list and there really isn't a "dude" in there. If they are intent on building with Davis Mills, then go defense at 3 and get him a certified weapon at 13, IMO. I think they take a poke at a true #1 with one of those picks.

Philadelphia Eagles - DeVonta Smith was a nice get last year and Quez Watkins is a fine slot. Having subpar performance from Jalen Reagor and JJ Arcega-Whiteside hurts though. They could really use another guy. With 3 first round picks, they "could" opt to add another weapon even though I see them rebuilding that defense.

Los Angeles Chargers - The Chargers have a full-tilt defense and a good QB plus two good veteran WRs. The iron is hot for them. Keenan Allen is 30 and starts making serious money now plus they don't really have a 3rd guy (2 if you consider Allen their slot). The biggest thing the Chargers could do to compete for a SB this year is add an electric playmaker to that offense.

Arizona Cardinals - I fully expect the Cardinals to go pass rusher but they could opt to replace Christian Kirk early. Rondale Moore is a nice player but at 5'7" 180 he's probably stuck in the slot only. They really need a guy opposite Hopkins, but the question is more about when than if. I won't rule them out, even if I figure it unlikely.

Could come up from 2:

Chicago Bears - The Bears desperately need someone to pair with Darnell Mooney. Equanimeous St. Brown is not starting caliber. They added Byron Pringle from KC but he's not really starting caliber either. The Bears have 39 and 48 in the 2nd, so moving from 39 is more likely than not IMO.

Cleveland Browns - The Browns traded for Amari Cooper but they really don't have much else. Donovan Peoples-Jones emerged as a threat last year but whether he can be a viable starter on the outside or not is yet to be determined. Cleveland isn't afraid to move about the draft, so I could definitely see them adding another threat.

Indianapolis Colts - The Colts are in a similar position to the Bears. They have Michael Pittman but after that??? Ashton Dulin and Parris Campbell don't wow anyone. They can't count on Campbell to stay healthy and Dulin is a relative unknown heading into year 4. It's obvious they are trying to win now by trading for Matty Ice, so they may look to give him more to work with.

What’s your guess on how many wrs go in the 1st?

5

Agree. BUT........just depends on how the draft falls as to what we do, staying put or trading up. I think this will be a very fun draft for us and I expect top quality picks !!

I'm on the fence between 5 and 6 WRs in 1. DL, QB, and OL are going to push these guys

McShay is projecting Chiefs to #17 for J Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dtInXakqI

McShay also has us taking a RB in the 2nd round.

He's a ****ing idiot.

Whoa! I see that.

Williams
Mafe
Hall

...that's certainly different. I'd be happy with a legit stud RB, but scared to pull trigger early after CEH. I don't personally know enough about Hall to comment on his game specifically, but hard not to take Ojabo at that 50 spot IMO.

Breece Hall is a potential 3-down back and a home run threat. Ran great at the combine, a lot faster than I thought he was.

A BEAST this offense could use...

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Would LOVE him in KC! Remember all those goal line stands that we couldn't get it done? Well my peeps here is your answer.

McShay is a former QB, he has a proclivity for prospects on offense

Jameson’s top speed on camera was faster than hills last season. He also has a way bigger catch radius.

He’s a long strider and has nowhere near the stop start of hill but hills arm length / height were certainly issues with certain routes.

He's a guy that's currently rated around pick 40. That's just too high to take a RB IMO given team needs. Otherwise, yeah, he'd be awesome in KC.

If he falls to 29, great.

If not, hopefully someone else drafts him.

Honestly - I don't HATE the idea of Hall in the 2nd.

it's not exactly the direction I'd go, especially if we went WR in the 1st (and traded up to do so, thus presumably burning substantial draft capital to get there).

But I think Hall could do a lot to clear some chaff off this roster. We wouldn't need to have these 1-trick ponies like Jones and CEH going forward.

Hall's the best overall RB in this draft by a fair margin, IMO. He's going to be a really good player and can do anything we'd ask of him in t his system.

EDIT: NO MAFE IN THE FIRST, DAMMIT! This is a 24 yr old rookie who simply was not a very good player in college. Man that's a wrong-headed decision. That's just ignoring everything this guy put on tape over a 4 year career prior to the Senior Bowl.

If we keep all of our picks, Hall in the 2nd makes a lot of sense, even if I don't particularly love the move.

I feel the same way about Trey McBride, BTW.

They seem like luxury picks but they'd be GOOD luxury picks, so it balances out.

Do I think Breece Hall is going to be a good player? Yeah.

Do I think the Chiefs should take a RB in the 2nd round when we have a ton of other needs? **** no.

Grab a guy like Pierre Strong Jr. in the 4th after you've filled some holes and then we'll talk.

Could not agree more on Mafe, absolutely no interest in him in the first. Re Hall I want two weapons in this draft so I might be convinced even if we had a R1 WR, but definitely not my preference.

I mean he's obviously not. He's probably not going below 20. But if he DID somehow drop there I'm honestly amazed how few people seem willing to go up for him.

Not saying it's a home-run or that there aren't legit alternatives like DE, or even that there won't be loads of value later. But the guys people are talking about - Pickens, Moore, Watson, Metchie, Austin - they're not this guy.

It's also possible that Jameson Williams isn't Jameson Williams after tearing his ACL.

Ford or Cook are also good options I think.

This is true

Breece Hall reminds me of Derrick Henry. The guy is a monster who produced consistently and dominated in games he played. I would hate to use a 1st on a RB but if there is one player I could use it on it's this guy. Our offense would be unstoppable. Defenses wouldn't know what to cover, the pass or the run.
I don't think this would blow up like the CEH pick who many here hated btw at the time. I was hesitant myself. With Breece I would not hesitate. He will not be available by pick 50.

What? This guy is a HOME RUN! We NEED a run game and CEH is not that guy! I am so tired of getting to the goal line and not getting the score ie, settle for a FG! I do not give a rats ass if he needs to be taken with pick 30! This team is NOT going to sit idle @ 29 and 30 - if you believe that than you are alone. Shoot for:

Devonte Wyatt
Travis Jones
George Karlftis

In the first

In the second, move up to get Breece Hall - then let the rest of the draft take it's course. This team is up against some fierce competition this season. We have the toughest schedule in the league. All draft picks focused towards the D are going to be pointless. So give a little on the D side and surround Mahomes with as much ammo as you can. Next off season, fill the D a little more. We ARE NOT going to build a D like we did the O last offseason - not going to happen. For one, the Chiefs are NOT going to fill the CB void so we fail at this point on D. We all know we need CB's, DL and DE that is not going to happen this season mark my words. The alternative to remain competitive? A killer RB, WR to fill the void and RT. Fill in the rest as BPA.

You can get a bunch of good football players with 8 picks in the first four rounds.

A running back isn't making the offense unstoppable.

If we draft a RB in the 2nd round, I'm shooting all you ****ers to the moon.

No chance, no way just don't do it. Learn from the CEH mistake. Just not.