He should be pretty good, he’s basically been playing against the Denver Broncos in college.

Love that Veach is rocking the All-Juice Hoodie

I think Bryan Cook transferred from Howard to Cincinnati. Andy and Veach must have liked that connection to Terez Paylor and the scholarship.

Need more people like this kid on this Earth. Gosh dang I want him to succeed and be able absolute star for us.

I like him a lot. I want him to come in and ball out too.

Impressive young man- easy to pull for

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top 5 Max Speeds from Senior Bowl National Practice per <a href="https://twitter.com/ZebraTechnology?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZebraTechnology</a>:<br><br>*Fayetteville State CB Josh Williams - 21.75 mph<br>*Nevada WR Romeo Doubs - 21.25 mph<br>*Arizona St RB Rachaad White - 21.15 mph<br>* Ole Miss WR Braylon Sanders - 20.84 mph<br>* NDSU WR Christian Watson - 20.71 mph</p>&mdash; Jim Nagy (@JimNagy_SB) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1488628624680968194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Folks tend to get caught up in the measurables, and rightly so. The intangibles, including smarts and coach-ability, are really important as well.

It really was. He ****ing erased Gronk for damn near 4 quarters.

That game, following his insane 2016 season, man, I thought he was headed for Canton, for sure.

He’s probably my favorite Chiefs “What if..?“ for injuries, along with Jamaal Charles, of course.


I’m trying to find some numbers but advanced statistics are hard to find.

I remember we were one of the top 3 teams in defending TEs and Berry had a lot to do with it.

He spent a lot of time in 2013 in the box, like you say, and a fair amount of the responsibility he had in the box was covering TEs.


He’ll play as long as Brady does.

If Williams and McDuffie pan out, you let Fenton go and pay Snead right?

Clearly the Packers wanted some top end speed at WR in Watson and Doubs.

Yep.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs 4th round Pick Joshua Williams with wear no. 23, formerly of Armani Watts.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; Arrowhead Live (@ArrowheadLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadLive/status/1522638380558917633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I absolutely love this guy.

Every pick is taking old players numbers lol

Was the standout of today’s OTAs, apparently.

Would be fantastic to hit on another 4th round CB.

Yeah, but not this one. Pesty will become unbearable.

You have no ****ing idea.

It’s a price we should be willing to pay.

Nice!

Where are these OTA observations?

At OTA.

Also Nate Taylor of the Athletic.

If anyone Is gonna have a Sneed type of rise I think it's this guy. His measurables for the position are insane already so it's all about how quickly he learns the playbook tbh.

Right. Smacks of Veach's attempt at Sneed part II.

Sneed, McDuffie, and Williams could really be a great young trio.

I never want to hear another person dismiss 4th round picks as inconsequential.

This guy's 40 in no way truly captures what kind of speed he's capable of.


And he's 6-3

Vlurch certainly seems to use them well.

My god if vetch got two starting corners and a starting safety from this draft this secondary is good for five years

Most impressed with his ability to not stare intently at Kay and drool. He’s got me beat on that front. GMF lost a good one.

Gonna be more people in just the club level then he has played in front of. Outta be an awesome experience for him.

KEEP DOUBTING FENTON!!

You want to pay him next year?

No but we feature him this year so he can get paid somewhere else. We seem to be good at developing CBs. D-linemen, not so much.

I'm worried that Sam Madison might have been a lot of that magic.

Why do people say that about Sam Madison?

He was a good position coach? Okay, sure. We also had another position coach working with DBs, a guy who wasn't the assistant. How the hell can ordinary fans tell which coach was "responsible" for successful play in a position group?

And if Sam Madison was a lot of that magic? Hire his ****ing replacement and keep trucking.

Lol no.

DBs are Spags specialty. Sucks to lose Madison, but it doesn’t mean we will suffer because of it.

I'm worried that Britt Reid might have been a lot of that magic...

Also, did Dave Merritt die?

Dude has been our DB coach since Spags got here. Why do people assume he has absolutely nothing to do with our success there?

:)

He looks like a complete steal. We needed someone to cover taller receivers.

Imagine if McDuffie and Williams are both studs.

You have so much potential on this D. The LBs are going to be aces. Bolton, Gay, Chenal, Carter Jr. Absurd talent.

Imagine if Clark and Jones start caring again. So much beasting could occur. Saunders is going to get his shot. Just an athletic freak.

Just so much young talent.

Fenton's an odd one to me. I think he's great and the coaches have done a phenomenal job with him. Not a great athlete but sticky, really good concentration and competitiveness. I'm surprised more people don't rate him here and that fewer people aren't less wild on Sneed. He has a much lower ceiling but he's shown way more consistency to me.

If the NFL rates Fenton as little as a lot on CP I'd pay him, because it sounds like we'd get him at a decent price.

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Chances are pretty good

That was a great jam he put on Adams on that last play. Adams is one of the hardest guys in the league to do that to. Might’ve saved the game for us.

Definite stud move.

Spags brought the house and left him out there with Adams. Risky but it worked out.

Before the snap, I turned to my buddy and said I bet they go to Adams again.

He blew it up. Disrupted the timing and caused Adams and Renfrow to collide. If McDuffie lives up to that 1st round pick we’re gonna have 3 good CBs on rookie deals for the next 4 years.

Coaches said during training camp that Joshua Williams was very good at his technique on press coverage.

Exactly.

Press coverage isn't designed to keep guys blanketed for 5 seconds or stuff them at the LOS. It's designed to do nothing more than **** up the timing and ruin route combinations.

The defense worked EXACTLY as it was drawn up. Nobody's going to stay in Adams pocket on a 'gotta have it' play - he's just too damn good. But if you can throw the timing of the play off, you've won the rep.

In the key play of the game, with their big money WR against our mid-round pick, our guy won the rep.

There's simply no way to overstate how huge that is.

Made one play and I'm sure Pest is still hard.

I think it's worth noting that they felt comfortable throwing him out there to cover Adams at that point in the game.

I think we've seen, to Spags credit and detriment, that he's going to expect anyone he puts on that field to run the defense.

He's done it with Watson/Williams this year. He did it with Niemann and Sorensen last year.

I'm not sure it's that they felt 'comfortable' with Williams 1v1 vs. Adams - he was simply the next guy up and Spags called the defense he'd have called regardless of the personnel on the field. Because that's what he does, even when there's very little justification for it.

This time it worked out because our guy executed.

If McDuffie is the player we think he is, this DB class is just... :drool:

Who do you think the alternative was at that moment?

Exactly this. Perfect analysis.

Some DC's would've flipped to a 2-high zone or something like that; or a matched hybrid coverage kind of thing to protect him.

But like I said - that's not what Spags does. He's gonna call the play he'd have called with 5 pro bowlers at DB.

That's why I say it's not a Williams thing - it's a Spags thing. And sometimes it gets him burned.

Last night it didn't.

The Raiders, just like the Chargers, spent big bucks this off-season to overtake us and we still beat them.

God that has got to be absolutely infuriating for them. Thank God we have Andy

"Series doesn't start until the home team loses one..."

I think most of us had the Chiefs at 4-1 to this point, no? Like the Chargers game, this one was more important for us than it was for them. And while we were missing McDuffie and Gay, the Chargers were missing Allen and the Raiders Waller.

Nobody's thrown their best punch yet and we have won by, what, 3 combined points? At home?

The Raiders have Raidered themselves into a real hole schedule/standings wise, but I don't think either LV or LAC believe themselves to be obviously inferior to KC at this point and there's ample cause to think that.

Actually, last night it did in the first half. They were abusing Fenton terribly until Spags made some adjustments.

Read some of Williams' comments afterward. Guy exuded confidence and didn't seem to fear Adams at all. Whether talk or not, he's always seemed to have the right attitude to thrive (or at a minimum survive) in those sorts of situations.

There's something to be said for rookie ignorance.

Some guys haven't figured out how hard this game is supposed to be yet.

There are a few 'off ramps' for defensive backs, IMO.

Some simply never have the confidence to play at this level - Williams and Watson seem to have passed that off ramp. Some simply never recover when they hit rough patches. Think about guys like Terrance Mitchell and Marcus Cooper. Cooper was an EXCELLENT example of it. Cooper as a rookie simply didn't seem to worry about anything because he didn't realize yet that this game is hard and sooner or later he was gonna get his ass kicked a time or two.

That's the next test for guys like Williams and Watson. We'll see how it goes.

They need to stop putting Fenton in man coverage. He is too grabby and never looks for the ball.

It kinda sucks getting them here early in the year then having to go there later, I always prefer the other way around.

I have to think Fenton's snap counts are going to go down when McDuffie comes back. So there's always that.

And best part about is Rashad hold penalty Fenton will be gone. Right now I trust both Watson and Sneed a lot more than him. McDuffie more than him even though he's been injured and if Williams is even a little bit decent, there's no place for Fenton. Good place to be in right now for the chiefs.

Bingo.

Fenton seems like a player that’s always been better down the stretch than early in the season.

In the Cardinals game McDuffie had the clamps on Hollywood Brown. He was in his hip pocket the entire game. The guy was aces.

If we get that guy back it’s an enormous advantage. I watched the all-22 of his only game and it’s easy to see why he doesn’t get thrown at.

He’s got very good lateral agility and can change directions with ease. Guys just don’t get open against him often.

Love Sneed but think McDuffie may be our best corner.

Huh. Haven't seen The 'Chise yet. He must still be jerking it to that snap last night.

I'm not convinced that Fenton will be the guy going to the bench when McDuffie returns.

When they were in base last night, it was Sneed and Fenton, not Watson.

My guess is that Fenton come in for nickel instead of Watson, at least until he plays his way to the bench (for Spags).

And that's ok, but to have Fenton in single coverage against either Davis or Diggs will not be ideal. The fewer snaps Fenton has to be on an island the better.

My opinion of Fenton is that he's a straight nickel corner. He's pretty good in that role, and a little miscast outside.

It's my hope that by the end of the season, we're seeing Watson and McDuffie outside, with Sneed at nickel for the majority of snaps.

Sneed is just so versatile at that spot; he does so many things well.

I assumed Williams was playing due to them being in subs, but looks like Watson, Williams, and Sneed were out there on the last 2 plays.

Wonder why Fenton wasn't on the field. Did I miss something?

If it wasn't because of injury, that gives me hope that they will roll with Sneed, McDuffie, and Watson when McDuffie comes back.

Fenton is a not very good right now. Watson is a much better version of Fenton

I think we would all agree.

Hopefully Spags feels the same way and doesn't hesitate to play both rookies together.

Fenton's hurt every year, it won't be long.

Any update on McDuffie or Smith?

Fenton is a great 4th QB for depth. CBs are always getting dinged up. I hope we can somehow keep him for cheap.

It might be that Fenton stinks. Maybe the Niners can give him a big contract as well.

I remember folks questioning why we took so many DBs in the draft. I think we can all see why now.

Are you implying that Ward was no good? Because he was excellent and is doing very well in SF right now.

Fenton isn't a bad player at all.