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DJ's left nut 08-26-2022 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16430751)
No, he's not an actual rookie, but he's very young and inexperienced, right? My point was, he still has tons to learn. And right now there's not a single LT on the team that has much to show the kid.

Prove me wrong, I guess. Is OBJ already a savvy veteran that doesn't need a mentor or not?

The average NFL career is about 3.5 years.

OBJ has been in the league for 4.

Yes, OBJ is a savvy veteran. We have offensive line coaches as well as a head coach that has been coaching up O-Lineman for about 40 years now.

Eric Fisher isn't gonna be a guy who unlocks the secret sauce for OBJ. They don't play an even remotely similar style of football and are about as physically dissimilar as one can be. This is akin to suggesting that the Royals should re-sign Michael Taylor so he can teach Vinnie Pasquantino how to play.

It's kinda silly.

suzzer99 08-26-2022 02:38 PM

Man we got so lucky last year with injuries. Total missed opportunity to bag another SB.

Every year the NFL championship is largely just an injury lottery among like 8-10 teams with good QBs. We ran very very good last year.

saphojunkie 08-26-2022 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16430225)
Shit. Its going to be a long 2 weeks guys.

I'm not going to b shocked if one of the 53 isn't currently on the roster.

DJ's left nut 08-26-2022 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16430805)
Man we got so lucky last year with injuries. Total missed opportunity to bag another SB.

Every year the NFL championship is largely just an injury lottery among like 8-10 teams with good QBs. We ran very very good last year.

As much as the 2018 AFCCG stings because of the sheer absurdity of losing because a guy lined up offsides, the 2021 might hurt worse because it's just so inexplicable. And it rests awfully heavily on the shoulders of 15.

Yeah, we missed in a big way there and it may be the one that we look back on and cringe most 20 years down the road. I just can't understand what happened.

Prison Bitch 08-26-2022 02:53 PM

We have a guy named Bushman?

LMAO

AdolfOliverBush 08-26-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 16430830)
We have a guy named Bushman?

LMAO

Not to be outdone, the Raiders will sign Dick ****ington to a multi-year deal.

Prison Bitch 08-26-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16430853)
Not to be outdone, the Raiders will sign Dick ****ington to a multi-year deal.

LB Diego Fa.Got was just cut by the Ravens

We need to sign him asap and play him alongside Gay

DJ's left nut 08-26-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 16430879)
LB Diego Fa.Got was just cut by the Ravens

We need to sign him asap and play him alongside Gay

When Spags dials up a blitz and "Gay, bundle of sticks0t sandwich the quarterback in the backfield!" things will get weird...

Prison Bitch 08-26-2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16430893)
When Spags dials up a blitz and "Gay, bundle of sticks0t sandwich the quarterback in the backfield!" things will get weird...

Id also look at signing him:

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...2339?s=612x612



My bro bought a Gay jersey last year, gets lotsa laughs at the games. If I bring my Diego F*** along…..we will make the local news . Or Deadspin

Chief Pagan 08-26-2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16430805)
Man we got so lucky last year with injuries. Total missed opportunity to bag another SB.

Every year the NFL championship is largely just an injury lottery among like 8-10 teams with good QBs. We ran very very good last year.

Yes, KC did get lucky with injuries and came up short.

But the year they did win it all, that was sort of improbable to have so many late double digit come backs in the post season.

Yea, yea, it helps to have the best QB in the business.

Still rather improbable.

POND_OF_RED 08-26-2022 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16430751)
No, he's not an actual rookie, but he's very young and inexperienced, right? My point was, he still has tons to learn. And right now there's not a single LT on the team that has much to show the kid.

Prove me wrong, I guess. Is OBJ already a savvy veteran that doesn't need a mentor or not?

Usually the players that make 3 straight pro bowls are the mentors. Don’t know how bringing in a guy with 1 less pro bowl in twice as many years in the league will do much to help him.

Megatron96 08-26-2022 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16430804)
The average NFL career is about 3.5 years.

OBJ has been in the league for 4.

Yes, OBJ is a savvy veteran. We have offensive line coaches as well as a head coach that has been coaching up O-Lineman for about 40 years now.

Eric Fisher isn't gonna be a guy who unlocks the secret sauce for OBJ. They don't play an even remotely similar style of football and are about as physically dissimilar as one can be. This is akin to suggesting that the Royals should re-sign Michael Taylor so he can teach Vinnie Pasquantino how to play.

It's kinda silly.

Well okay, I guess. Though I'm not sure I believe that a 9-year vet (as a top-10 pass-blocking LT for much of that span) doesn't know more about footwork, hand placement, basically the minutiae than a guy that's only been in the league for four years, and mostly as a run-blocker vs. a pass blocker at that. I get that they aren't the same physically, but a lot of those things do translate regardless of size, or at least that's what I've been told.

But I also realize that I never even played on an OL at any level, so what do I know?

But I did fly commercial turboprops for nearly 20 years, and I know that I could teach a four-year guy volumes about the business of flying after just 10 years, but I guess that's just too different from football.

Coochie liquor 08-26-2022 07:14 PM

What’s the news on McDuffies injury? Really need him week 1.

staylor26 08-26-2022 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16431195)
What’s the news on McDuffies injury? Really need him week 1.

Even if he has a concussion, I highly doubt he isn't cleared by the week leading up to Arizona.

He has 17 days.

Dunerdr 08-26-2022 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16430818)
I'm not going to b shocked if one of the 53 isn't currently on the roster.

I guess we could cut one of our 53 hall of famers to sign another one.

Megatron96 08-26-2022 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16430802)
You are a ****ing moron

Maybe. But I'm a moron that's been right a lot more often than I've been wrong, so there's that.

Regardless, the fact remains starkly the same: we have no one in house that can play LT adequately if OBJ goes down. Never mind that a prime Eric Fisher was far better than whatever we have in OBJ right now. He's decent, but not a top 10 LT by any means. Fish was for years.

Whatever happens, the Chiefs could use a solid LT, as a backup or whatever. Because right now that guy doesn't exist.

RealSNR 08-26-2022 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16431135)
Well okay, I guess. Though I'm not sure I believe that a 9-year vet (as a top-10 pass-blocking LT for much of that span) doesn't know more about footwork, hand placement, basically the minutiae than a guy that's only been in the league for four years, and mostly as a run-blocker vs. a pass blocker at that. I get that they aren't the same physically, but a lot of those things do translate regardless of size, or at least that's what I've been told.

But I also realize that I never even played on an OL at any level, so what do I know?

But I did fly commercial turboprops for nearly 20 years, and I know that I could teach a four-year guy volumes about the business of flying after just 10 years, but I guess that's just too different from football.

Dude. You do know the Chiefs have an OL coach on staff, right?

thabear04 08-27-2022 10:34 AM

Released: OT Roderick Johnson
Waived: QB Dustin Crum
Waived: RB Tayon Fleet-Davis
Waived: WR Aaron Parker
Waived: LB Mike Rose

jjchieffan 08-27-2022 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 16431733)
Released: OT Roderick Johnson
Waived: QB Dustin Crum
Waived: RB Tayon Fleet-Davis
Waived: WR Aaron Parker
Waived: LB Mike Rose

I would like to see most of those guys land on the PS

smithandrew051 08-27-2022 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 16431733)
Released: OT Roderick Johnson
Waived: QB Dustin Crum
Waived: RB Tayon Fleet-Davis
Waived: WR Aaron Parker
Waived: LB Mike Rose

Roderick Johnson looked terrible

T-post Tom 08-27-2022 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 16431733)
Released: OT Roderick Johnson
Waived: QB Dustin Crum
Waived: RB Tayon Fleet-Davis
Waived: WR Aaron Parker
Waived: LB Mike Rose

Not the Crum! Well good luck son, I hope you latch on somewhere.

TwistedChief 08-27-2022 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16431478)
Maybe. But I'm a moron that's been right a lot more often than I've been wrong, so there's that.

Regardless, the fact remains starkly the same: we have no one in house that can play LT adequately if OBJ goes down. Never mind that a prime Eric Fisher was far better than whatever we have in OBJ right now. He's decent, but not a top 10 LT by any means. Fish was for years.

Whatever happens, the Chiefs could use a solid LT, as a backup or whatever. Because right now that guy doesn't exist.

Hmmmm....

Do you think Geron Christian is worse than Cam Erving? Chiefs won a SB with Cam Erving as the backup LT.

PFF had Erving at 44.8 in 2019. Christian has been above 60 every year of his career with the exception of this last one when he dipped to 59.5.

So, your argument almost literally makes no sense whatsoever.

oldman 08-27-2022 03:43 PM

Christian is the swing OT, at least for now. While I'd love to have Fisher back, he's not coming back for what we could pay him and Brown isn't going to move back to RT.

rtmike 08-27-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16432138)
Christian is the swing OT, at least for now. While I'd love to have Fisher back, he's not coming back for what we could pay him and Brown isn't going to move back to RT.



OBJ might slide to RT in a pinch but that's it.

He's made it apparent his old man, (rip) taught him where the $$ at.
What he didn't teach him was he needed to be a top LT to get the $$ he preached.

Dunerdr 08-27-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rtmike (Post 16432159)
OBJ might slide to RT in a pinch but that's it.

He's made it apparent his old man, (rip) taught him where the $$ at.
What he didn't teach him was he needed to be a top LT to get the $$ he preached.

I can’t even think of what kind of pinch would move him to RT.

smithandrew051 08-27-2022 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16432184)
I can’t even think of what kind of pinch would move him to RT.

Mahomes deciding to beat the Broncos left handed for an entire game, which would reverse his blind side.

Dunerdr 08-27-2022 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16432221)
Mahomes deciding to beat the Broncos left handed for an entire game, which would reverse his blind side.

DILLY DILLY!

Pitt Gorilla 08-27-2022 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 16431733)
Released: OT Roderick Johnson
Waived: QB Dustin Crum
Waived: RB Tayon Fleet-Davis
Waived: WR Aaron Parker
Waived: LB Mike Rose

Rose looked really good to me. Would love to see him on PS.

RealSNR 08-27-2022 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16432425)
Rose looked really good to me. Would love to see him on PS.


I remember when Niemann looked really good for an undrafted guy…

Dunerdr 08-27-2022 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16432434)
I remember when Niemann looked really good for an undrafted guy…

Don’t you put that evil on me

JPH83 08-28-2022 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16432425)
Rose looked really good to me. Would love to see him on PS.

Yeah I liked him too, REALLY liked Sanborn, gutted he went to Chicago. Rose looks a decent option, seems a smart player who'll play above his athleticism.

TEX 08-28-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 16432138)
Christian is the swing OT, at least for now. While I'd love to have Fisher back, he's not coming back for what we could pay him and Brown isn't going to move back to RT.

Yep. Deal is Christian is terrible. KC will be in serious trouble if OBJ goes down. Lack of Tackle depth is pretty scary.

BigRedChief 08-28-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16429836)
Veach is something else. They turned over almost the entire back half of the roster. We actually have meaningful cuts coming, this team is so much better than it was a year ago, especially on defense.

The only way we are going to compete for a SB every year and not waste Mahomes years is to follow the NE/Bellicheck model that allowed then to win Super Bowls.

HOF QB
Great Oline
WR JAG's
Great defense
Trade great players with one year left that you're not resigning to long term big contract for draft picks

They turned their roster over every year. Aging players, players with pending big contracts traded, replaced with cheap draft picks.

If Jones is traded this off season for draft picks, we will know that Veach is going to take this path.

Coogs 08-28-2022 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16432743)
Yep. Deal is Christian is terrible. KC will be in serious trouble if OBJ goes down. Lack of Tackle depth is pretty scary.

You move Thuney out and put in Allegretti at guard. :shrug:

BigRedChief 08-28-2022 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16432745)
The only way we are going to compete for a SB every year and not waste Mahomes years is to follow the NE/Bellicheck model that allowed then to win Super Bowls.

HOF QB
Great Oline
WR JAG's
Great defense

They turned their roster over every year. Aging players, players with pending big contracts traded, replaced with cheap draft picks.

If Jones is traded this off season for draft picks, we will know that Veach is going to take this path.

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16432743)
Yep. Deal is Christian is terrible. KC will be in serious trouble if OBJ goes down. Lack of Tackle depth is pretty scary.

Thats the weakness of this model above is the team doesn't have depth when a player goes down. But.... King Carl did the best 53 and we didn't win a playoff game for 20+ years.

jjchieffan 08-28-2022 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16432750)
Thats the weakness of this model above is the team doesn't have depth when a player goes down. But.... King Carl did the best 53 and we didn't win a playoff game for 20+ years.

Carl sucked as a GM. I'm sure that his head coaches had more to do with his players selected than he did. That's why the defense was top of the league but the offense sucked under Schottenheimer, then the offense was top of the league while the defense sucked under Vermeil. Veach, on the other hand, has put top talent on both sides of the ball I'll take that any day.

O.city 08-28-2022 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16432745)
The only way we are going to compete for a SB every year and not waste Mahomes years is to follow the NE/Bellicheck model that allowed then to win Super Bowls.

HOF QB
Great Oline
WR JAG's
Great defense
Trade great players with one year left that you're not resigning to long term big contract for draft picks

They turned their roster over every year. Aging players, players with pending big contracts traded, replaced with cheap draft picks.

If Jones is traded this off season for draft picks, we will know that Veach is going to take this path.

We aren’t going to be like New England in that run. Hell even New England didn’t compete every year they had a big gap in there.

More than one way to skin a cat

SupDock 08-28-2022 08:36 AM

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Best22 08-28-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16432818)
We aren’t going to be like New England in that run. Hell even New England didn’t compete every year they had a big gap in there.

More than one way to skin a cat

I don’t know. It seems the Patriots never had a down year with Brady at the helm

The Patriots 9 year title gap (2005-2013) included 2 SB appearances and three consecutive offenses that scored 500+ points (2010-2012). Brady won MVP twice (2007, 2010). Their only weak seasons were 2005 and 2009, where they still made the playoffs at 10-6 but combined for a 1-2 postseason record

Chris Meck 08-28-2022 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16432818)
We aren’t going to be like New England in that run. Hell even New England didn’t compete every year they had a big gap in there.

Why not?

I think we can absolutely draft better than Bill did. This draft and last year's would argue that we can. And we've got a shitload of picks again next year.

In58men 08-29-2022 12:40 PM

JuJu Smith-Schuster (knee), Rashad Fenton (groin), Carlos Dunlap (Achilles) & Trent McDuffie (out of the league’s concussion protocol) all returned to the practice field today.

No Frank Clark, Blake Bell, Matt Bushman & Leo Chenal.

Sassy Squatch 08-29-2022 01:13 PM

Frank Clark have a bad burrito from El Magueys?

Oxford 08-29-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16434392)
Frank Clark have a bad burrito from El Magueys?

That's a lead pipe cinch

htismaqe 08-29-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16434392)
Frank Clark have a bad burrito from El Magueys?

Frank Clark doesn't eat burritos anymore. He's a whole new man.

oldman 08-29-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16434303)
JuJu Smith-Schuster (knee), Rashad Fenton (groin), Carlos Dunlap (Achilles) & Trent McDuffie (out of the league’s concussion protocol) all returned to the practice field today.

No Frank Clark, Blake Bell, Matt Bushman & Leo Chenal.

Bell and Bushman both will be out for awhile. Clark, meh. What happened to Chenal?

crispystl 08-29-2022 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16434566)
Frank Clark doesn't eat burritos anymore. He's a whole new man.


Yeah he does falafels now bro.


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Urc Burry 08-29-2022 04:19 PM

Terrace Marshall appears to be on the roster bubble/trade block. Many of us wanted him in the Creed spot (thank god we’re dumb). But I’d be interested in giving him a fresh start.


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