Our defensive line is so deep that the line of scrimmage on defense will be the Marianas Trench.

Can't get behind the Reiter/Allegretti comparison

Nicky Boy is far tougher customer IMO

I didn't follow him in Indy, has he fallen off that bad?

He was extremely disappointing to watch in person at camp.

Hes the definition of a guy that won in college on strictly talent and no work, but got destroyed on every rep I watched from no more than 20 feet away. Everyone on the DL had their way with him with any move they made. Constantly lost his balance and lunges and held on damn near every rep. It was impressive in a bad was….like if they let Mecca suit up.

It sucks because we all hoped he would be this years late round gem of a player that wins a starting job early on and is a stud right away.

He’s not.

He looked like he didn’t belong out there at all and matchups in PS reinforced what my eyes saw and reported on at camp.

I’d cut him unless they feel they can keep him as an insurance policy at guard.

True. Just going with the idea that he's mostly correct. I'm sure there will be at least one or two surprise cuts/keepers tomorrow.

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:)Can't tell if you're giving me shit or not.:D

Anyway, I don't know about all that. Honestly didn't get a chance to even really take a look at either Coleman or Powell at all. I did think that Ross had a shot after seeing a few TC clips.

Just really liked the way Skyy ran routes and how reliable his hands were.

He's potentially the Chiefs version of Deebo. Do everything kind of guy that can run every route no matter if he's the X/Y/Z/H whatever. He'll probably even run/catch the ball as a RB now and again.

Then when I watched that interview with him and he talked about how invested he was as far as studying the playbook, that's when I thought he had a pretty good shot at making it so long as he didn't just shit the bed in any of the preseason games.

That's actually why I thought McDuffie was going to make it even before PSG1; that episode of the Franchise where he's in his film room in his new home and how he already had it set up with the dry-erase board and all told me a lot about what kind of player he was going to be.

Ditto Karlofogus. He's another 'hit the books as hard as possible' kind of guy.

Those guys are all cut from the same cloth insofar as they are all students of the game even as rooks. Not one of those guys is relying just on their God-given physical talent.

Barring anything catastrophic, these three guys are going to be among the best players on the team for years to come. Mark that down.

What do you mean by "making it"?

You do know why you're being made fun of, right?

Already addressed that a couple posts ago. But I'd bet money all three of those guys do make it.

That's not the reason.

How often do NFL teams cut their 2nd round picks before Week 1 of their first NFL game?

Have we entered another dimension? I always thought your football takes were actually pretty good but you seem to be suggesting here that calling for first and second round picks to make the team is a commendable accomplishment.

The other day you posted this:
Megatron: I called for the sun to rise in the East this morning and I’m doubling down and saying it’s gonna set in the West. Bet me I’m wrong?

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A little surprising that Sony Michel was released today. I’m sure someone will pick him up.

I guess. I've been watching the NFL for about 40 years, so I've seen plenty of 1st and 2nd rounders not make it across the league.

Plus, there was a lot of chaff right here on CP about whether Karlaftis was really going to make it/was even worthy of a first-round pick. Though at 30(think he went at 30?), that's basically a high 2nd rounder, imo. Shit like, 'not bendy enough,' or 'he only got 4 sacks last year,' or whatever. As I recall I made the suggestion on draft day that he could work on his 'bend,' but look at how he played the game, which is to say he could read and react at a very high level, and he was used to playing from different spots, not just DE. In short, he's a very cerebral player, not just a really strong bull-rusher.

And early on McDuffie got some crap here as well, as I recall. Something about not being fast enough. Oh, and his arms were too short, lol.

It's all good though. I've been playing the Devil's advocate and/or soft troll since mid-season last year, and i'll probably keep it up this year, so I expect to get some shit this season.:thumb:

"Not making it" implies nothing about whether they fail to make the roster in their first season.

I'm not sure there's a single first round pick in this century who was cut in their first preseason.

Last I could find was Dimitris Underwood with the Vikings in 1999 and the guy had mental health issues.

Oh hell, I couldn't remember one off-hand that got cut before the end of preseason. I meant never started/maybe benched by mid-season, that sort of thing. Or even earlier. Seen lots of high picks just shit the bed basically from Day 1. Lot of guys that probably should've never been picked in the first three rounds, much less the first.

But getting back to the point, there was plenty of talk about Skyy not being tall enough, fast enough, didn't play for a big school, etc. from the get-go. Ditto McDuffie for many of the same reasons. For myself, I saw a lot of a young Tyrann Mathieu in McDuffie. Especially how smooth his hips are.

And a lot of crap about how Karlaftis wasn't going to translate to the NFL, whether it was about his lack of 'bendiness,' lack of speed, and if I remember correctly there was some talk about how he wasn't going to be able to make it because his arms were too short. Which, if I remember correctly, he's about an inch short of the NFL average, which is to say, who frikking cares?

Sure, he didn't get a lot of big numbers in college, and yeah, he's not the fastest or bendiest guy, but mentally he played at a pretty high level, and his core strength is off the charts. probably a lot of that is due to his time in water-polo, and why he can keep coming at full speed for as long as he can. Regardless, he has both a ton of lower body strength and stamina that should give him an edge throughout his career. A lot of people are going to underestimate him this season, because they just aren't going to understand how strong he is through his back/abs and lower body.

He actually restructured his contract today to pay around $16MM with incentives and roster bonuses and it makes him a free agent next year.

Niang is injured so writing him off right now would be stupid when he still has three years of low pay on his contract. Also those folks writing off Kinnard need to relax.. he was actually decent against the packers according chiefs media on twitter who watched the film so again letting a young guy with upside go would be naive. I highly doubt Prince gets snapped up if released and hopefully he can go back on the practice squad if needed.

Ah, I see the problem. In this thread I said they’ll make it. In the separate threads I said they’d all be starters by mid-season.

I can’t finish this post right now. But I get it now. Sorry for the confusion

I still don't get Winchester taking up a roster spot just for long snapping. Let Kelce do it and he can catch passes from out punter.

You act like the keeping a dedicated long snapper is something only the Chiefs are doing right now. And that it's some real novelty.

If you want to talk about novelty items, look to Chris Lammons.

Long snapping isn't as easy as it looks. And if it's remotely subpar, you're getting punts blocked left and right. And this is a guy who is being used multiple times each game. It's not your 6th CB who is a gunner on ST.

:facepalm:

This is so much worse than your backup QB thoughts it is not even funny.

They replayed the Iowa vs. Kentucky Bowl game this weekend. I watched Kinnard, he struggled. Iowa had 8 sacks that game. I was surprised, I don't think anyone picks him up and he will be on the practice squad.

Hog doesn’t actually watch football. He is busy, you know doing stuff like jerking off hogs.

But I approve, because bacon is important.

What team is going to watch Kannards preseason tape and put them on their 53? I think he easily makes the practice squad.

They know Lance isn't good. Either he shocks everybody including his coaches and plays well or he's replaced by week 6.

From what I can tell he hasn’t been good preseason and they have a stout defense. Perfect scenario for a QB like Jimmy. Just like in 2019.

Weird they decided to hitch the wagon to Lance.

If we release/cut him he can be signed to any team's PS. We are 28th, I think, on the waiver priority.

It never made sense to anyone but then. The idea of a gunslinger sounds good. But he barely had any experience. Definitely nothing that justifies trading the farm weeks before the draft.

I asked the very same question earlier in this thread and didn't get a response. Nobody is putting that guy on their 53.

Any team that picks him up off waivers has to put him on their 53.

I get this team has had success with doing the one-year 53-man roster stash with OL guys who have physical traits and a lot of potential but don't quite know how to put it together. That's how we wound up with LDT, who didn't exactly click the greatest in his first preseason. We've also had some players who just wasted our time, though, like Kahlil McKenzie.

I think if Prince is actually that good, it's worth having him on the team and rolling the dice that Kinnard won't get signed off of waivers before we can practice squad him. In LDT and McKenzie's case, who was the steady guy we were trying to figure out if we should keep? ****ing David Mims? If Prince is David Mims, then no, we should stash Kinnard. That doesn't seem to be the case here, though.

that may be true but Kinnard is a lock to make the roster and team.

Lol no he's not.

He MIGHT make the roster, but he's far from a lock.

You may be right, but I certainly don't see him as a lock. From the OP, who are you removing to make him a "lock"?

I agree about keeping Prince over Kinnard. Kinnard may very well develop into a passable RT, but it's not this year. The other thing you have to look at is the waiver period is only 24 hours. After that, it doesn't matter where we stand in line.

That said, I think there still may be some new faces on the team before the 1st game.

Some contracts and how that could affect Chiefs roster decisions -

QB Chad Henne is either $2M (overthecap.com) or $3.265M (spotrac.com) of dead money if cut. All money guaranteed.
Chiefs try to trade Shane Buechele and if that does not work, they waive and try to sign to Practice Squad.

LB Jermaine Carter Jr. will cost $1.77M to cut or $735K of dead money to trade with a savings of $1.035M
Chiefs make an effort to trade but probably cut and have the $1.77M of dead money.

RB Ronald Jones II would cost $750K of dead money to cut and $250 to trade.
Unless a better RB option emerges for Chiefs, Jones will make 53-man roster.

DT Taylor Stallworth will cost $300K of dead money to release and they save $747K. Trading would save $1,047,500. Chiefs try to trade or release.

OT Darian Kinnard will cost $358,404 of dead money and they would save $436,197. A trade would result in the same cap numbers.
Kinnard will be waived and maybe signed to Practice Squad.

DE Joshua Kaindoh being waived would result in $374,508 of dead money and a savings of $575,328.
DE Malik Herring being waived would result in $16,667 of dead money and a savings of $696,666
Chiefs will make a decision on value of keeping either DE or look for other options.

I like Prince but imo there's no point in keeping him and Christian as they are effectively the same level of player. Kinnard showed improvement in the packers game and that 4 year cost controlled contract has to count for something. How many tackles do we have under contract for more than one year? Only Kinnard? That has to be a factor too.

I read yesterday Jimmy signed a one year deal.

Wait, are you saying he’s a lock to make the 53? I’d like to hear that reasoning because I strongly disagree that he’s a lock.

With Bell being out for awhile Bills released TE OJ Howard.

Veach loves former 1st round picks.

The #Chiefs are releasing WR Josh Gordon, per @TomPelissero. #ChiefsKingdom*

So much hand-wringing over a nobody player.

Regardless of whether or not he makes the team, why do people care? Kinnard is a nobody player.

This from the 2019 season:

Exactly.

draftniks were down on Creed for the arm length, too. No reason to pay attention to any of them.

It was worth a shot (and a measly 5th round pick) to try Kinnard at OT. It didn't work. He's not a tackle in the NFL. He's just not.

Chiefs have released veteran defensive tackle Danny Shelton, per source.

That is right, sorry. Once a player makes it through waivers any team can put him on their PS.

Now that's interesting. Must mean they intend to keep Stallworth.

Per Herbie Teope

The Chiefs are in the process of trimming the roster and one player won't be among the cuts.

RB Ronald Jones made the initial 53-player roster, according to a source.

I'm told Jones played his way on the roster in the last preseason game.

Makes sense to keep him I think.

Stallworth cut too

That's even more interesting! :thumb:

Even prior to the last preseason game I thought it would be a tough cut considering the injuries and style of runners CEH and McKinnon are. We need that RB that can run downhill and not have as many injury concerns for the playbook.

They have to keep bell on the roster before they ir him so someone has to hang around on waivers for a day

Wonder if it’s one of these two

Thank god that experiment is over

So either another move might be coming at DT, or will our DT group be precariously thin yet again? On the DL as a whole it would have been nice to have added more talent and depth, as it is now we’re basically counting on the same group as last year plus Karlaftis and maybe Dunlap if he can make any meaningful contribution. Karlaftis has been great and I have high expectations for him but the DL overall still seems pretty thin.

No risk of him being sniped.

They can put him on the PS or IR Bell and then re-sign Shelton.

He’s just not in football shape. Giving him the Spiller treatment to keep from guaranteeing his deal makes a ton of sense. Shelton isn’t someone the league is going to be falling over themselves to scoop up.

Makes sense.

Figured as much. He was great in that game and they can’t count on all the backs to stay healthy.

Good. That guy played like trash, to be honest.

We're still 4-deep with Jones, Nnadi, Wharton, and Saunders. Room to add a guy or replace one of them if we need to, but I really think Saunders played to the level of being worthy of keeping, so I wouldn't swap him out with anybody.

The winds were blowing strongly for Rojo yesterday when the likes of Nate and Verderam were suggesting he's gonna stay. Rojo never ran behind the first team O-line until the last game so what did the coaches expect? Very happy to see him stay as him & Pacheco showed the kind of speed and physicality we haven't seen in years in KC. If defenses continue to play two high just ram the ball up their damn noses Andy..no excuses now.

Yeah, Saunders really played well. I think they probably bring back Shelton.

I think, in hindsight, that the coaches expected him to make the team so they didn't feature him.

Noway it stays at four DT's imo. Either they bring in a Suh or Sheldon Richardson type of guy or they get Shelton back after Bell is put on IR..can't see it going any other way.

Interesting that Kingsley Keke got cut from Arizona. I'd rather him than Stallworth or Shelton. He's only 25.

i am the biggest jones fanboy alive. hope he ****ing murders shit for us this year. andy's just gotta give him an actual ****ing chance

Why in the world would you think Dunlap wouldn't make a meangful contribution? Dude puts up 8 sacks like every year.

He's on the wrong side on 30 and dealing with an Achilles injury. If healthy, you're totally right. If not, who knows.

Because of his health. I agree if he’s healthy he’ll contribute, but he’s dealing with an achilles issue which clearly isn’t ideal. Hope it’s a non-issue and he’s good to go.

It is probably more like he is a 30+ year old veteran that they need to conserve snaps for so they say he has a tight Achilles so no one questions him sitting.

He will be fine for week 1.