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RedinTexas 09-07-2022 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16447622)
Ok but what about spiking the ball to stop the clock?

They should be open to allowing this as a special exception or they could go back to what they used to do before that rule was implemented. The QB used to throw the ball way out of bounds and only a few seconds would run off the clock. I never thought they needed a new rule for spiking the ball, but if people like that aspect of the game, I don't think anyone would have a big problem with allowing that exception.

Balto 09-07-2022 12:31 PM

I’d still love to see the NFL take on college OT rules after let’s say it’s still tied after the first OT

RunKC 09-07-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16447650)
College football does DPI correctly. The NFL should do it that way.

I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?

Simply Red 09-07-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16446487)
1) Im ok with this


2) no


3) no


4) not sure about this


5) i kind of agree, but might be difficult to enforce properly


6) definitely needs a look at the rule, live ball is a bit extreme though


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htismaqe 09-07-2022 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?

15 all day, every day.

I hate the way the NFL does DPI

Balto 09-07-2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 16447652)
They should be open to allowing this as a special exception or they could go back to what they used to do before that rule was implemented. The QB used to throw the ball way out of bounds and only a few seconds would run off the clock. I never thought they needed a new rule for spiking the ball, but if people like that aspect of the game, I don't think anyone would have a big problem with allowing that exception.

Could be hard to implement the rule and still keep spiking. Refs would have like an imaginary box that the QB could spike it and it not be a fumble. Then again you could have issues of was he spiking it? Did he fumble a snap and then pick it up and spike it before getting sacked? Just saying you’d be putting judgement calls back into the refs.

Maybe something as simple as you can spike the ball only taking the snap from the center and can not take a step before it’s spiked. Could easily look at a review camera IF it ever was questioned.

Balto 09-07-2022 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?

I agree and I guess that’s where the refs have a judgment call on if the PI was intentional or not.

RedinTexas 09-07-2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16447667)
Could be hard to implement the rule and still keep spiking. Refs would have like an imaginary box that the QB could spike it and it not be a fumble. Then again you could have issues of was he spiking it? Did he fumble a snap and then pick it up and spike it before getting sacked? Just saying you’d be putting judgement calls back into the refs.

Maybe something as simple as you can spike the ball only taking the snap from the center and can not take a step before it’s spiked. Could easily look at a review camera IF it ever was questioned.

There are always some growing pains in implementing new rules, but if there are implementation problems that can't be overcome like some of the things you suggested they could always go back to the old way of chucking it out of bounds. It only uses up a few more seconds than spiking the ball.

the steam 09-07-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?

I don't think I've ever seen that done in college football

RunKC 09-07-2022 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16447665)
15 all day, every day.

I hate the way the NFL does DPI

I agree but I think there should be intentional PI and unintentional PI. If it’s not intentional then sure 15 yards, but if that rule gets set they can’t take advantage.

If that’s the rule and a DB gets beat and purposefully trips, pulls or hinders the WR then I think that should be intentional DPI and be a spot penalty

htismaqe 09-07-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447682)
I agree but I think there should be intentional PI and unintentional PI. If it’s not intentional then sure 15 yards, but if that rule gets set they can’t take advantage.

If that’s the rule and a DB gets beat and purposefully trips, pulls or hinders the WR then I think that should be intentional DPI and be a spot penalty

I'm not in favor of giving refs MORE leeway in interpreting the rules. They already have too much agency in the outcome of a game.

Balto 09-07-2022 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16446628)
Home team gets the choice in OT (and might as well at the start of the game, too), no more coin flip bullshit... especially in the playoffs where you've earned HFA.

I actually like this one. Yes the coin flip is tradition and all but home field advantage should give more “advantage”. Hell even visitors get to call the coin flip….what is that?

They could still do the coin flip but it only determines which side of the field you start at. So for example….Chiefs are at arrowhead playing Raiders. Chiefs decide they want to defer but captains still go out for the coin flip to determine which side of the field the winner of the coin flip wants. Could actually make still a difference if wind is crazy.

This would give more meaning to home field advantage and could make playoff push’s for home field even more important to teams.

the steam 09-07-2022 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16447687)
I'm not in favor of giving refs MORE leeway in interpreting the rules. They already have too much agency in the outcome of a game.

Absolutely. I did like the suggestion of 1 play to gain 15 yards instead of attempting an onside kick but after I thought about it that would just invite more terrible officiating deciding games. Imagine the outrage after stopping the offense and a phantom PI or defensive holding being called

Pepe Silvia 09-07-2022 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 16447011)
Anyone who whines about the NFL being rigged should be banned from watching the NFL. And definitely banned from posting about it.

You still believe in Santa Claus too?

the steam 09-07-2022 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16447630)

2. Make pass interference a 15 yard penalty. They call is so often. I really dont know why teams just dont go deep everytime.

This drives me crazy on 3rd and 15 or more. Hate it when teams call a "give up" screen, draw or short pass that rarely get the 1st down. Why not throw it 50 yards downfield? The risk is an int which is almost like a punt. The reward is a 50 yd completion or PI penalty.

Still remember the Miami ND 3rd and 43. Straight fly pattern. On 3rd and 43 in today's game they would throw a 7 yard in and scream at the ref to call PI or defensive holding

the steam 09-07-2022 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16447543)
It'll never happen, but the Super Bowl should not be at a neutral site. It should always be at the home stadium of the highest remaining seed. No extended halftime either. Super Bowls feel "Disneyfied"...a spectacle for casual and non-fans, rather than the actual football fans who have been watching all season.

Don't know if the smaller NFL cities could accommodate that. Especially on short notice because you wouldn't know where the SB was being played until 2 weeks before, but 100% agree with getting rid of the long, annoying halftime show.

kccrow 09-07-2022 01:23 PM

1. I don't really care, but my preference would be no TNF.

2. This is insane, no.

3. No.

4. The NFL is not going to cut into advertising opportunities. If we looked at it purely from a football angle, one TO per team per game might be a bit of a reach. I do agree, most situations don't require 3 timeouts and if they do then it's primarily posturing one way or another before a last-second field goal. Teams could certainly live with 1 per half. Hell, do them a solid and give them 1 per quarter. The chances of teams using 1st quarter and 3rd quarter TOs are probably slim, but not none. In any event, its a waste to think they'll change this.


5. Sure, we all agree this shit is as ticky-tack as it gets but the NFL and it's owners has made it an absolute that they protect the QB even if it looks ridiculous. I guess, if you're spending 100's of millions on a long-term deal, you don't want it getting all dinged up. I still think it takes away from the game. At least let the guys get touched if you're not going to let them get hit. Like 4 above, they won't change this.

6. Yeah, I kind of agree with this one in that it's be fun to see your rule in action. The "outside the pocket" rule has really made grounding a bit of a gray area. They still have to get the ball to the LOS but it has made it too easy for QBs to not lose yards and not get hit.

the steam 09-07-2022 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16447769)

6. Yeah, I kind of agree with this one in that it's be fun to see your rule in action. The "outside the pocket" rule has really made grounding a bit of a gray area. They still have to get the ball to the LOS but it has made it too easy for QBs to not lose yards and not get hit.

I'd be fine with the old rule that you can't intentionally ground the ball ever.(exception for spikes) Take the sack or make a reasonable attempt at a completion, don't care if the QB is outside of the tackle. Rodgers and Wilson abuse the hell out of this rule, especially in the red zone.

L.A. Chieffan 09-07-2022 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?

Also rewind clock to start of previous play. That way not only 15 yard penalty but no time is taken off so makes penalty worse for defense without being crippling

Rain Man 09-07-2022 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the steam (Post 16447812)
I'd be fine with the old rule that you can't intentionally ground the ball ever.(exception for spikes) Take the sack or make a reasonable attempt at a completion, don't care if the QB is outside of the tackle. Rodgers and Wilson abuse the hell out of this rule, especially in the red zone.

I've never understood the penalty for intentional grounding. They say it's a loss of down and the ball is marked where it was thrown. So if Russell Wilson is about to get sacked on 1st down 6 yards behind the line of scrimmage and he intentionally grounds the ball, then the refs mark it as 2nd down and 16.

Well, that's no different than if he was sacked, right? So intentional grounding is not really a penalty at all. It's just a decision to ignore that he threw the ball.

I like The Steam's Rule 6, plus my wire rule in Post 69 and my suggested penalty of actually losing a down instead of merely pretending that a play happened. If the NFL did that, we'd have no more complaints about intentional grounding.

oldman 09-07-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the steam (Post 16447613)
That is exactly right. I love watching red zone every Sunday 7 hours of commercial free action, but single games bore me. I literally feel like I'm watching commercials with a smattering of plays in between.

Big 3rd and 4 late in the game. "blue 22 hut HUT!! hut HUT HUT!!" timeout just trying to get them to jump. Commercial. Line up again timeout defense just wanted to see how they line up now the defense wants to talk it over. Commercial. After 7 or 8 idle minutes a play is run. Was his knee down before the ball got to line to gain? Was that ball moving when he we rolled over? Gotta have a look at it. Another commercial. Just gets frustrating and tedious to watch.

40-50 years ago 3 TO's per half probably was the right number. Teams ran the ball about 60% of the time and huddled after every play so the clock melted much faster. QB's weren't in constant communication with the coach through their helmet so sometimes they needed to call TO and talk to the coach. Spiking the ball to stop the clock wasn't allowed. There were no free TO's for replay. Just isn't the case today. All these TO's aren't necessary like they were when the 3TO's per half rule was made.

I know this will never change because it is a business and the max stoppages/ commercial time is what the NFL wants but I can dream

Gee, I'm sorry you have to be entertained for every minute. Play Madden instead.

Those are pretty important decisions.

Make all TOs 30 seconds. There are plenty of coaches that will not use all their 6 TOs per game. Now that you can challenge some rulings at the expense of a TO, how do you propose to challenge?

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-07-2022 03:53 PM

The NFL is never removing timeouts. Without them, the number of late game comeback opportunities decrease.

PHOG 09-07-2022 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16448034)
The NFL is never removing timeouts. Without them, the number of late game comeback opportunities decrease.

As do the all important commercial break opportunities.

Pepe Silvia 09-07-2022 04:09 PM

No more rule changes, just end the league entirely.

the steam 09-07-2022 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16447942)
I've never understood the penalty for intentional grounding. They say it's a loss of down and the ball is marked where it was thrown. So if Russell Wilson is about to get sacked on 1st down 6 yards behind the line of scrimmage and he intentionally grounds the ball, then the refs mark it as 2nd down and 16.

It's 10 yards from the LOS. If the QB was more than 10 yds behind the line then it is a spotted where he threw the pass. But if the QB has ran backwards more than 10 yds he was probably out of the tackle box anyway and it's legal as long as the ball gets back to the LOS

dirk digler 09-07-2022 05:14 PM

Definitely #1 but the rest meh.

With 17 games they need to expand the roster more and on game day no inactives unless injured. Also allow unlimited IR's and movement between practice squad and active roster.

Hoover 09-07-2022 05:19 PM

Just add a second bye and you could probably figure out the Thursday night thing.

As a consumer, I like having football to watch Thursday, Sunday, and Monday. I mean it basically covers 5 days of the week if you add in college. All I have to get through is Tuesday and Wednesday/

oldman 09-07-2022 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16448139)
Definitely #1 but the rest meh.

With 17 games they need to expand the roster more and on game day no inactives unless injured.

Expand the roster to 57 and everyone dresses for the game except those injured. Bring back NFL Europe for exposure and use it like a minor league.

ReynardMuldrake 09-07-2022 11:17 PM

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morphius 09-08-2022 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16447476)
Defensive holding (aka "the brady drive sustainer rule") is the scourge of our era. I'd be fine allowing pushoffs on offense if we would eliminate defensive holding from the rulebook. Let the receivers and defensive backs duke it out.

You'd have to get rid of illegal contact as well. I'd just like something done there, 'cause nothing more fun than D holding when trying to stay with a guy that is pushing you off, but only the D guy gets called for it.


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