If B-Enemy's claim to fame is setting up our run game...I don't think I'd be shouting that out too loudly either.

He should have been dumped in the offseason, and it's on Reid that he wasn't.

Reid cares more about his coaches/buddies than his players. If there were ever an ultimatum between Mahomes/ Bienemy you best believe Reid is going to side with Bienemy.

You've been here how long?

Then Reid would have to go

Twitter made the argument out to be worse than what it looks like.

Seems rather tame on the whole. Of course, I don't know what words were said but Reid playing the old peacemaker was funny.

Well yeah, sometimes it kinda does sound like Andy lol

But your point still stands, EB was clearly the shot caller yesterday and it showed

Seen plenty of bitching about his performance last week, including my own... but I've yet to see anyone call Moore a bust

Reid is not immune to human nature. He's ultimately going to side with what best suits his interests and that will be Mahomes in 90% of situations. To imply otherwise is disingenuous.

Non issue. We have had tons of success so every little thing looks like the sky is falling. We play tough defenses this year damn near every week. Even with Hill it would not be a track meet. Mahomes had all new WRs outside of Hardman. Gonna take weeks to flow together.

Bigger concern is the OL. They are not as good as we thought.

I don’t think so in this case. I don’t habe particular feelings either way about EB but I think even his biggest supporters feel like he shouldn’t have too much power or influence in this offense. And many wish him well but just think he’s outplayed his usefulness by a year or 2. That’s been happening since cincy.

Many peoples optimism for the season post tyreek was predicated on skyy moore contributing. I don’t think there were too many rainbows about who mvs and jjss are. I still like them but acknowledge they are support players. Now, anyone labeling skyy a bust because Andy wont play him… that’s definitely an overreaction.

It’s not like last year where the sky was falling. I feel like fans got taken down a peg last year. Turns out mahomes does need some work. Reid’s offense isn’t infallible. There are other qbs out there who are actually pretty good now. I actually feel like there’s way less doom and gloom and way more optimism that we’ll be mostly ok even if things aren’t going great now. However, I think understandably we don’t think the way we’re doing things now is going to sustain success

I mean...

The 2nd half of the Colts playoff loss in Jan 2014
The 4th qtr and OT of the loss to Denver in Sept 2015
The 2nd half of Titans "forward progress" playoff loss
The 2nd half of BOTH Bengals game last year
Yesterday

Yeah. 3 different OCs and 2 different QBs...the common denominator is Andy Reid.

So maybe it IS Andy who needs to go.

Look, teams, like life, are built on energy, communication, cohesion, and effort.

**** the X's and O's part (give me a month and I could probably be an OC for Reid) but if Beinemy is as toxic as pretty much everyone says behind closed doors, coupled with his past, AND the offense not being consistent...and Reid won't get rid of him, then we may have to move on from Reid. Because it's no longer cohesive.

Won't happen, Clark Hunt will allow Andy Reid will be the Head Coach and de facto Administrator of Football Operations of the Kansas City Chiefs for as long as Reid wants to be here.

And that in and of itself may be the problem : his legacy is now secure, he doesn't really care about winning another Super Bowl, and he doesn't HAVE to care about winning another Super Bowl.

And it shows.

Interior is still a blue chip tour de force, Smith is just dinged up a bit and not quite himself just yet

There's more to it than that.

Beyond the DUIs and giving drugs/booze to his players while he coached in college (who in turn gave drugs/booze to underage girls in a scandal that got swept under a rug), but when he was a player he beat a woman up and told her that "getting raped by a gang of *n-words* would be her worst nightmare"

THAT'S why no one wanted to hire him.

Yeah, he's actually a grade-d piece of shit. The NFL (and I'm sure Clark Hunt) pleaded with the Saints to hire him (they're in NFL purgatory for the drug scandal that 'Bountygate was designed to cover up anyway; they won't be good for years anyway.)

And even though the Saints have no chance of being good anyway, and it literally doesn't matter how good their coach is or isn't...they want absolutely nothing to do with Eric Bieniemy, and damn sure didn't want his toxic ass making things worse for their already beleaguered organization.

"Thanks, but no thanks. We don't care how cheap he is, we'll find another way to suck."

For real. It's like THAT with him.

10 days to prepare.

10

4 AFCCG's at home in a row but Andy doesn't care? I hope this is sarcasm.

I don't think this one is totally on andy. The colts were running the ball a lot early in the game. It was chewing some clock. The defense was holding it's ground more or less. Moores fumble took a possession away from us. We didn't really try and run the ball early. Mahomes took that deep shot on third and I get it was single coverage but even if they sync up on that pass it's a 50\50 chance. Convert that with something shorter and we probably go down the field and score. He was pressing at that point.

4 in a row at home...but 1 SB trophy to show for it.

My opinion is that if he cared, truly gave a shit, the disharmony that is obviously created by Bieniemy's presence would have been eliminated in the offseason.

Would rather have had Kafka...but I hear Kafka wanted away from Bieniemy, too.

Worst kept secret in the NFL.

Reid doesn’t care, he just wants to play with his toys.

i stand by everything marty wrote but this wasn't part of that

mahomes is just too aggressive sometimes

**OH-FISSHUL Replace Eric Bieniemy with Matt Nagy THREAD**
 

All I could think on that drive was td or bust. Andy had no faith in the kicker and shut it down is my bet.

Did Marty write that story from Belize?

Oh my.... stop.

Three of the five instances you bring up are before we won a Super Bowl and one is a regular season game that we lost by one score without our kicker who would've clearly made the difference in this one. And you have over 9 years of games to choose from.

You keep rotating into and out of insanity and I just wish you'd pick a side between Jekyll and Hyde.

*shrugs*

Sometimes, you feel like a nut...

I agree.

Its in EBs contract to call the plays. Now Reid makes the scheme but he can't override every play.

Then we might as well call 75 yr old Al Saunders & tell him to get his bony ass and his walker to KC. He can coach the WRs..... AND make Pete Carroll feel young again...all at once.

Lol ok champ.

Sometimes based on your football opinions I can see why you live such a ****ed up dysfunctional life

Ok dipshit,

Reid or Mahomes

Who the **** do you think 99% of this board is going to side with

EB is a useless tyrannical wannabe. Fire him now or the whole season will be a bust.

Andy, you didn't deal with him in the offseason, and the festering issues are still there. This one is on you.

Don't punt again. Kick him out.

A few players have came out and pushed back against Shady McCoy a little bit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">bro you don’t even know EB like that everybody he coach he brings out the best of all his players. If he was a problem why he still there because everybody know he it’s a great coach big Red don’t have no problem with him. <a href="https://t.co/H0cqZuj7PV">https://t.co/H0cqZuj7PV</a></p>&mdash; Jamaal Charles (@jamaalcharles) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamaalcharles/status/1574592674216165382?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please believe the guys that spent more than 7 months with EB like myself and J Charles. Y’all can believe Shady if y’all want to ����*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/oiYD32T6py">https://t.co/oiYD32T6py</a></p>&mdash; The Cookie Expert (@JeffAllen71) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffAllen71/status/1574782964466065411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Based on what's happened to me, it's really amazing that I'm even still alive.

Sometimes surviving gets underrated, but you can judge me all you want if it makes you feel better about yourself.

The fact that former players have to come forward and defend him really says it all.

A couple things noticed in the game last night:

• The cameras only showed Mahomes discussing plays with Nagy and Andy. It appeared EB was not included in strategy/play discussions.
• Only saw one shot of EB the whole game and his mic was turned up over his head.
• Andy was working the play sheet like the menu at Jack Stack. A couple camera shots of Andy pointing to the sheet and discussing with Mahomes directly.
  
  Sure looked like EB got reassigned to "desk duty".

I think there may be something to this.

The thought that Andy would choose EB over Mahomes is almost as ignorant as rabbles games are fixed posts.

You’re Marty’s KC Star, John Geimer

Kick EB to the curb after this year.. Time to move on

I think that creates bad optics for Chiefs

Black man who has been in his role for 3-4 years and an offense that ranks near the top not to mention Chiefs W-L record.
Clark would not allow it

Bad employee gets run off regardless if he’s black , red , white or yellow screw this pc bullshit .It like an old man told me on a job yrs ago two kinds of can’t if you can’t get it you can’t stay

Has Nagy always been on the sidelines this season? Iirc he's been in the booth for the previous 3 games.

Interesting. Good catch.

They showed Nagy on the bench with Mahomes during the Indy game.

I know he's been on the sidelines for at least one previous game, perhaps Indy. I remember because I was telling my wife about it Sunday morning BEFORE the TB game aired.

EDIT: KCUnited confirms for me. :)

There is a reason NO ONE wants him as a head coach.

Let's hope the Colorado Buffaloes can woo him back to Boulder for that gig.

He was on the sideline in the Indy game.. Not sure about the first two..

Nah, he was only in the booth first 2 weeks.

Last week and last night he was on sidelines.

Looked like someone different had input into the game plan, they literally went Red and Blue formation in the running game, they incorporated pure WCO Hi-Lo concepts, they attacked from the first snap, minimal RPO, more pre-snap reads, snaps from under center...

Tampa didn't know what happened.