Agreed.

Assuming that the independent neurologist hired to examine players didn't do an exam and instead just said "good enough for me" after Tua told him "I'm good" seems pretty ridiculous.

Im obviously paraphrasing here dude, jesus christ.

Yes, Cosmo. I think the doctor said, "you good bro? Cool, now go win one for the gipper!"

:rolleyes:

I really don't think I read too much into what you wrote. My bad, I guess.

LMAO

any new news?

That is how I see it too. The doctors have a minimum standard based on really imperfect information. But the team should know better. Putting him back in the game is one thing but throwing him back in on a short week for a mostly meaningless regular season game is something else entirely. And it’s not helping matters that McDaniel insists on playing completely by the book that just because he received clearance they are totally in the clear. No, a team can and should exercise precautions.

Post of the year.

I just hope Chris Jones hits Brady so hard, that Tom throws up gang signs.


j/k

I’m sure that’s had to be done already. I’m interested to see if the whip tackle gets penalized or a fine.

That tackle is dangerous because of the force the head has against the ground.


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They took a scan of his head.
Nothing showed up.


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Right. You're supposed to tackle him nice and slow so he can get the pass off while you do.

Bob Belcher is awesome.

Wow, just saw this. Ouch, hard hits...

Tua's going to have a short career.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tricky part: NFL concussion protocol doesn&#39;t classify Sunday&#39;s &quot;stumbling&quot; &amp; &quot;falling&quot; as &quot;no go&quot; symptom in itself. Policy says it&#39;s only &quot;no go&quot; if team physician &amp; Unaffiliated Neurological Consultant determine &quot;instability to be neurologically caused.&quot; Doctors said it wasn&#39;t. <a href="https://t.co/TBsbSKLu8b">https://t.co/TBsbSKLu8b</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1575914000650584084?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That just seems strange to me. How could you rule out 100% that the stumbling and falling isn't neurological in that short of an amount of time like we saw on Sunday?

Oh no he's braindead.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McDaniel said he and Tua sat together on the plane and watched MacGruber during the flight home, and that Tua laughed throughout the movie</p>&mdash; Marcel Louis-Jacques (@Marcel_LJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/Marcel_LJ/status/1575908013587808266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The pessimist in me says that this is going to screw us over somehow. Something like new impact sensors in helmets being quickly introduced that can flag a concussive impact occurring and Mahomes is going to drop his helmet on the sidelines and trigger it and get pulled out of the superbowl or something.

This reminds me, and I know I've shared this story here before, of being in a trauma ER next to a construction work who took a half gainer off a roof. Guy was talking and laughing with the doctor all normal. Doc told him he had a severe concussion but would be okay and that a nurse would come by to take him to a more suitable room for observation.

Soon as the doc left this guy called someone who I presumed was a loved one, broke down sobbing like a baby and told whomever on the other end that he was at the hospital and the doctor told him he had an untreatable cancer and that he was really scared. The person on the other end was all wailing like wtf?!?! It was nuts.

Point being dudes egg was beyond scrambled yet carried on a convo with the doctor like they were catching up at TGIFridays.

I don't know, I think sensors in helmets might actually be a good idea for long term health.

If it can reduce CTE, wouldn't that be a good thing?

I've also wondered if they couldn't come up with a helmet that absorbs more force.

Helmets prevents skull fractures but they don't provide as much cushioning as some people think.

Yea, bubble helmets would look silly for a season and then everyone would totally get used to them and maybe impacts from head hitting ground could be reduced.

Next time the opposing team does a tombstone piledriver on Mahomes 5 seconds after he throws the ball there won’t be a flag but he’ll be removed for concussion protocol.

You can't. That's why when Mahomes had a NECK injury but displayed outward signs of a concussion, they held him out.

Idk. Is there a neck/spine condition that can mimic a concussion? Re-watching both incidents has me questioning how significant the head impact was. 2nd incident looks like he threw himself backwards. Made no attempt to brace himself... almost like he was going limp before he hit the ground.

Somebody on social media posted a GIF this morning that showed him going "out" before he hit the ground.

At first people loved the fun wisecrack nature of mike McDaniel. But his newness is starting to show. He’s gotta read the room better. People don’t want to know if tua CAN play or is minimally cleared to, they want to know if he SHOULD play. Yesterday the team seemed intent on letting everyone know he’s fine and he’s lucid. That’s not what everyone wants to hear. People want to know that the team is taking this very seriously and it doesn’t look like they did until today when they had no choice. And even still it almost feels like they’re doing it out of obligation and without a whole lot of urgency.

Future lawsuits have considerably more evidence

I spit out my drink. thank you, needed that today! :LOL:

To be honest, and without knowing specifics , he should be on cognitive rest. I know in my experience, treating high school athletes with concussions, they initially aren’t even allowed to go to school. They shouldn’t be on devices, they shouldn’t be doing homework, they shouldn’t be watching TV. They should be spending most of their time in dark quiet rooms.

What about porn?

Gotta find the ol playboys in the woods

The Dolphins tampered to go after Brady and probably/allegedly attempted to induce Flores to tank.

How any of you institutional ballwashers could give the Phins the benefit of the doubt is beyond me.

They gotta Belize man. Belizing is in their nature.

Go fist yourself.

Phins Doctor: Tua where are you right now?

Tua: Placencia Belize

Phins Doctor: He good

Yeah. That’s a pretty decent take. If there has been 1000 protocols, which is low. If there (was) 256 regular season games. If it’s been 7 years that’s 2000 games. And he’ll that Indy playoff game there were like 5 of them.

But let’s say there have been 1000 protocols. If Sunday was the first concussion the protocol missed, that’s a 99.9% efficacy rate. FDA is clearing a medication at that efficacy rate.

And the reality is yes. It ****ing blows. It’s super compounded by the shit he ate yesterday, without question. But if that is legitimately the only miss, that’s not worth screwing with. Yeah it’s callus. Yeah it sucks but the reality is you can’t effectively legislate the violence out.

Dolphins were wrong in this situation but it’s also true that Tua is a broke dick… can’t stay healthy.

Pretty much what my neurologist said , screen are the worst thing , brain beds rest dark room and rest.

Any chance that the "back injury" designation was to avoid the concussion protocol entirely?

1,000,000%

I find it hard to believe anyone with the Dolphins intentionally tried to circumvent the concussion protocol. Dont you go through independent doctors? Its possible its not even the Dolphins or NFLs fault.

Its all about the money

Tua needs to retire before he is McMahon

And the coach and staff at the dolphins need to pay

Sick bastards all

Dolphins would be crazy to have future plans with him as their QB.


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I wish I could find it. I've been looking all over twitter and youtube, everyone thinks he was violently slammed to the ground. I haven't found a different opinion yet

It would be a career ender now with all the media attention, but I don’t see another reason to list it as a back injury.

make this forum automatically parse twitter links:

https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/sta...68603895083008

Honestly, Tua probably misled the professionals. He has a lot to lose by sitting. The Dolphins have tried to shop him several times.

It's never the employee's fault. It's 2022 man. How can you even insinuate such a thing. It's always the big businesses fault

Come on, those protocols are based on the assumption that players are going to try and game things to get back on the field.

If Tua could just 'mislead' professionals, the protocol would be pretty worthless.

I don’t think they intentionally tried to circumvent protocol.

I do think they believe the bare minimum passing grade is enough to justify playing a guy.

I also believe the back injury is going to be used as an excuse to sit him this coming week so they can sit him without admitting he probably had a concussion.

Possibly. But it is also possible they knew he was being misleading as well.

What doctor will sign off on him to go back on the field after what we saw last night? Would you want to be the one?

It's also the business's responsibility to protect it's assets and interests and what benefit they may be to the business in the future.

There are definitely objective components, but if, for instance he said that his back locked up causing him to stumble, and he passed other tests, he may have circumvented the protocol.

If he said he his head hurt, it probably doesn’t matter that he passed the protocol because of his stumbling after.

Definitely, it’s just a lot tougher to catch all cases when the patient is attempting to mislead you.

I’m shocked he returned last week at half, and it’s hard to imagine who signed off on that.

Dr Chao immediately tweeted there was no way he comes back, just based on his behavior after the hit. Yet he came back.



I’m also of the opinion, that to protect their decision, they could not have held him out this week. otherwise, how do you explain him going back in the game last week

What else would cause disorientation and stumbling like paralysis? Could a pinched nerve do that or something with the spinal cord? If it's not a concussion then it seems to me he needs some extensive testing to see what's going on.

It's miraculous that you manage to tread the RedDawg waters without actually being RedDawg.

Impressive, really.

Would the hospital have released him without doing a cat scan or something?

I don't Belize I will.

I wish for the way i feel tua would retire. I don't like the reality that one more will probably effect him for life

Tua look like a gay Asian, Dolphins look like Dahmer and the NFL look like the police

100% this. There's no way the staff should let him play that Thursday night game after what happened on Sunday.

Why? Player passed the protocol and players play with injuries all the time. Independent Dr passed him and the player wanted to play. Explain to me why the coaching staff would go against players' wishes who have been cleared by an independent doctor.

Hate to agree with srvy, but if a guy is medically cleared, well...he's medically cleared. What people at home think about his condition is kind of irrelevant. If the team is not able to trust medical professionals who are experts on the issue in question, then what's the point of any of this?

If you're not going to trust expert doctors to clear a guy, then you're pretty much just advocating for a rule that says if we see your head hit the ground, you're out for that game and the next, end of story.

Do we actually have confirmation that he passed the concussion protocol, or is it possible that he never entered the concussion protocol?

Hey, these gladiators are there to entertain us, they are part of an entertainment industry, let's make no mistake, it's all about what you can do for me "now", nothing else. And perhaps he doesn't want to be an Eric Berry? :shrug:

Agree. I don’t really blame “The Dolphins” here.

I've always wondered just how independent you can be when you are paid by the people you are supposed to be independent of?

The injury to Mahomes in the playoff game didn't look very severe at the time however based on what we saw, he was injured. He was wobbly and unsteady. Later, he said he was fine to go back in however the Chiefs coaching staff would not put him in. And this was in a playoff game.

The lack of concern over Tua's health is alarming to me. The coach said something to the effect later of: He's fine, it was just a concussion... WTF?

Business don't care about the employees... They are raw materials to be used up and replaced. After all, it's not really your job, it's theirs. You are just filling it for now.

So Dr Chao diagnosed him and then let him on the field? If the doctor you're quoting didn't actually examine him, then their opinion is irrelevant.

he's going to end up getting ****in paralyzed on the field

That’s not true at all. He called it a “no-go” event. Which means based on the video, it didn’t matter if he passed protocol, he couldn’t return.

No go observations include:

Amnesia, loss of consciousness, confusion, gross motor instability. Granted, the motor instability needs to be determined to be neurologic in nature.

My understanding is that the neurologist that examined him, determined that the motor instability he demonstrated was from his “back”. And this is the major source of scrutiny.

The dude nailed his head on the turf, and then couldn’t walk, then passed the protocol, and they determine his back was what made him stumble and shake the cobwebs out of his head.

Dr Chao is on Twitter. He regularly comments on player injuries. He is an orthopedic surgeon and was an NFL team physician for 17 years.

Same was said about Manning for years.

and God refused to listen

That's not how medical diagnosis work. Not even a little bit and what Dr. Chao is doing is unethical. They did not personally examine the patient.

Not saying it happened Sunday, but a sciatic nerve signal will buckle you momentarily. Doesn't even have to 'hurt' that much, just your body shutting muscle signals down for a moment to avoid putting weight on a compromised lower extremity.

Not all that different from the reflex twitch from a hammer tap to the patella.

I don’t really know how to respond, because what you are saying does not make sense. Much of diagnosing a medical condition is based on observation. In this case, he made on observation of a sign suggestive of a concussion.

Your use of the word “diagnosis” is a bit confusing to me. He is saying he observed a “no go” sign.

Much of the protocol is based on testing and observing for signs/symptoms of a concussion.

To say that is not how you come to a medical diagnosis, “not even a little bit” does not make sense to me.

If they did not personally meet with the patient, understand the patient's symptoms, have access to the patient's baseline, then the "doctor" is in no position to diagnose the patient. It's not that hard.

Definitely. A peripheral nerve paresthesia could cause it. Orthostatic hypotension could cause it too. It was hot as hell during that game and players were probably dehydrated.

I think the issue is that it happened right after he hit his head on the ground.

He didn’t make a diagnosis. He observed a “no-go” sign.

Is the neurologist that remotely reviews video during the game, and calls down to the field with concerning signs or collisions being unethical?

Why are you putting “doctor” in quotes? He is a literal orthopedic surgeon

I'm not because then after that happens they get evaluated personally by a doctor. Ethical doctors don't do what Chao did. They don't get evaluated by a twitter doctor. The decision on whether they get cleared through the protocol is not done by a twitter doctor.