I'd like to shove Article 11 (b) up Cheffers' smug ass. Too bad Teicher didn't have that info handy when he interviewed that rat bastard.

You are saying this with the benefit of a slowmo replay that shows Jones putting his hand down at the last second. I'm not defending the rule or the call. I hate the rule and therefor hate the call. But if you take off your homer glasses and look at it full speed and see Jones landing directly on top of Carr, it's not hard to see where the flag came from given the rule.

It's simply a stupid ****ing rule. Players are going to land ontop of eachother sometimes and you just need to ask yourself if there was intent in causing harm like the guy tackling someone is quite literally pile driving them into the ground with the full force of his body. Even in full speed you can tell there was no intent to do that in that play.

The only way Chris Jones would be liked by the NFL is if he played on Bradys team. True Starry Brah

Maybe this is a cue for fans to be more supportive of jones. Feel like he gets treated unfairly. I always hear comments about how he disappears or takes off plays. He seems to be the first guy people blame when the defense has a shaky few drives. Now the refs are after him because he does too much. I’m still livid about the bullshit taunting penalty - even if I don’t know what he said, refs should not make a game changing call over words. And the roughing call and the holding miss were egregious missed calls.

He’s taken way more bullets from the fan and the nfl, and it’s mostly over nothing. It’s not like the dude doesn’t work hard or is punching people. It’s not like he took his pay day and turned into a fat slob. Sure a contract that size invites criticism but by and large he’s still playing like a star.

It’s hard to forget the look in his eyes after both the taunting and roughing penalties. The dude wasn’t angry. He looked devastated. The guy plays with a lot of heart. It’s time we appreciate him again.

There is plenty in the rules for the refs to judge intent. He wasnt lunging or going for a kill shot. Sure it’s a bang bang play but it isn’t so fast that you can miss BOTH him bracing himself for the fall and more importantly that he had the ****ing ball. So you’re adding 2 key elements to an already highly questionable call

But worse, how are you supposed to expect chris jones to play? The rules say to move the qb so you don’t fall on him but he saw grady Jarrett do just that and get accused by the refs of whipping the guy down. I’m struggling to figure out how you bring a guy down if you’re stripped of those 2 options.

And man the nfl has better figure this out before next Sunday because we cannot have our DL uncertain about how to tackle josh Allen who you aren’t going to easily just “turn to the side”

Couldn't agree more. Every game matters and he's frequently been our best defensive player. On occasions our ONLY decent defensive player, and he's done enough to win us multiple games when opposing teams know he is literally our entire pass rush.

There's one guy on here who is completely unhinged on Jones. If we're directing vitriol anyone's way let's save it all for Clark and the other turds Jones has to deal with on that DL.

I guess he needed to drop the football he was holding so he could put his second hand down on the ground to keep more of his body weight off carr.

ya he's been nothing but a straight beast for us, I think he deserves at least a hall of fame nomination once his career is over and I hope he retires a Chief. Like you said, he didn't get paid and then stop caring like we've seen before especially with d-linemen.

I'm sure there is a tweet of it, but Chris Jones was great when interviewed in the locker room about it. He's a class act, doesn't say anything stupid even though he is constantly being ****ed by the refs. Glad to have him on the team man...

He said something stupid to Matt Ryan!!!!!

When Aikman is calling out the NFL live on air you have a huge problem.

I was able to meet a nfl line judge after that season ended. Even he said that call was a huge error and pointed out triplett retired the next day.

And?

Chris Jones has been called for 3 of the worst penalties I've ever seen.

1 - Roughing the passer because he waved his hand in front of Brady's face in the AFC championship game.

2 - Unsportsmanlike conduct because he said "something" to Matt Ryan.

3 - Roughing the passer while holding the ball.

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

lol it's no wonder so many chiefs fans think this shit is rigged

I actually feel sorry for Chris at this point. I feel sorry for pass rushers in general. This is a shit show.

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The thing that kills me about this is, you've already nerfed the defense so much and then you go and add on the fact that you can't even barely sack the qb anymore. I mean what are these guys supposed to do? Jones makes a great play doing what he is paid to do and because he fell on top of Carr it's negated. It's just such an awful rule. You can't spin the guy to the ground unless it's Mahomes, you can't pop them in the chest slightly after the ball is released. Just don't get it. I mean Mahomes doesn't get that same protection. Hell Bosa went at Mahomes lower leg and we got called for a hold. It's so maddening.

Exactly, and how about later in the game when he was practically tackled to prevent him from getting to Carr that would have ended the drive.

Very sorry about the thumbs down, my clutz finger missed the up

I wonder if Jones has a bad reputation amongst the officials. Seems to not be getting legit holding calls, and is flagged for everything he does.

https://twitter.com/pjgreentv/status...kuCqbGNKQvJZWQ

Here’s Jones after the game explaining it. I was listening live to the postgame and he was as gracious as a man could be after that.

I was impressed with how well Jones conducted himself in the post game interview

I think he handled it well throughout. He was pretty somber and subdued, even in pre-game.

So was I. If it had been me, I would have gone total Gunnery Sergeant Hartman on Cheffers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD4q3leE5Uw

Because we won the game anyway.

You never played, right?

How do you tackle (def.: the action of a defensive player stopping the progress of an offensive ball carrier by bringing him to the ground) a world class athlete (NFL players are among the top 3% of athletes in the world) without landing your body on him occasionally? They aren't going to just let guys tackle them; they're going to resist in most cases. So what then if you're a pass rusher? Just let him go to avoid the impending flag for roughing?

There's two disconnects here.

One, it's very difficult to tackle any player without landing on top of them because of the physics required to make a tackle. Made even more difficult because of all the extra rules surrounding the protection of QBs. So some players have decided to "twist/Sling" the QB, to avoid that part of the rule, which is also now a penalty because Brady things.

Two, the rule is incredibly arbitrary. The ref gets to decide whether a tackler did in fact land with "his full body weight," and his decision is final.

It's a bullshit rule, and the reality is that it's too arbitrary. It should be removed so that refs just don't have to make that type of decision. It should just be 'can't hit them above the shoulders, can't hit them below the knees,' and that's it. Everything else is fair game. Otherwise, I agree with Aikman; put skirts on the QBs and put flags around their waists and you just can't tackle QBs anymore.

100% of ALL OF THIS!

There is no reason to beat this dead horse.

EVERYONE IN THE WORLD EXCEPT CHEFFERS KNOW THIS WAS A COMPLETELY ****ED UP CALL. EVERYONE, THAT IS EVERYONE!

End of story.

Would you say the overwhelming majority of tackles made dont end up with the tackler with all of his weight going down on the person he tackled?

Ya, occasionally its going to happen, and occasionally it's going to get a flag. Thats how rules work.

The problem here is that the rule has gone too far and the QB is protected to the point of it not being football any more.

I didn't play football, but correct me if I'm wrong. Do they teach you to tackle with the crown of your helmet in a players chest or offset to the side and your shoulder driving through them? If it's the latter then you are already at a position in which the center of your mass is offset from the center of the player you are tackling and its pretty ****ing hard to come down on them with your full weight.

The "rule" CLEARLY states that extending arms to "break the fall" is considered a legal play. They talked about it extensively during the broadcast.

They didn't FOLLOW THE RULE. That's the problem.

Bro. You are asking a ref that is behind the play and can only see Jones' body completely engulfing Carr's and expecting him to see the last second movement of his left hand extending to brace his impact. It's not a reviewable play. He doesn't get the benefit of camera angles or 60 frames a second.

It was a bad call made under the umbrella of a bad rule.

Sure, but what will the league do about it? Will they de-emphasize again only to emphasize again when someone gets a concussion? Or will they take jones’ very reasonable feedback to heart?

Will they create more clarity of the rules and change the severity of taunting rules so no game is transformed because of naughty words?

And while we’re at it can we get an official apology from the nfl and an explanation for why Chris jones is repeatedly targeted with these bullshit calls?

So then he's just bad at his job. There's 4 or 5 other officials on that field. To make a unilateral decision when you ADMIT he couldn't see the whole play is just proves he's incompetent and stubborn.

How would he be bad at his job. He threw the flag based on what he saw. It's the other 4 or 5 refs looking at it from a different angle that need to speak up and say "I saw him extend his arm to brace for impact."

Or Cheffers could just, you know, admit he couldn't see the whole play and ASK THEM.

Physics does not work the way the NFL wants it to.

Pay attention. In order to tackle, as in the textbook mechanics of tackling (part of it anyway) require the tackler to WRAP HIS ARMS AROUND THE OPPOSING PLAYER AND BRING HIM TO THE GROUND.

So, try to follow along here: If I wrap my arms around a person with the intent to tackle, does it follow logically that my body is going to necessarily be very near or actually touching the other player?

What do you think?

Is that probable?

Do me a favor and cogitate on that for awhile.

So when I complete the act of tackling (bringing the other player to the GROUND), what are the odds that my body is going to be near or actually touching the other player? Maybe like 100%? Okay, something could go differently so let's just say 95%.

Now, and I need you to follow along here for just a bit longer, the player I'm trying to tackle is trying NOT TO GET TACKLED, right? He's going to resist being tackled, so as the tackler I have to commit myself to dragging/throwing this guy to the ground, right? Any way possible, because that's how you're coached.

So what the **** am I supposed to do if I think I MIGHT land on top of a guy? Just give up on making the tackle?

This is the problem with this idiot rule. It doesn't take into account that these are actual athletes and that even as the tackler you don't always get 100% determination of how that tackle goes. And it's going to end most of the time with some guy on top of another because, well, as humans the tackler must necessarily put himself very near or actually be touching the other player to make a tackle at all.

Actually, just do this. Go to your nearest HS that has a football program and sign a waiver and try to tackle some teenage players. Then come back and defend this idiot rule.

Duh, Cheffers was the head ref of that crew. It's his job to discuss exactly these types of calls, OR ANY CALL WHERE HE IS NOT IN THE BEST POSITION TO SEE THE PLAY to ensure the proper call.

It's literally part of the rules refs are supposed to follow.

We are talking about a blind hit on a QB here. The rule is there to protect a defenseless passer. So your entire argument goes up in flames right here.

They wanna charge us 15 yards then ok but we should have gotten the ball since he fumbled.

Uh, wasn't Carr actually running away from CJ? As in he knew damned well that he was about to be sacked/tackled, which would explain why he was RUNNING AWAY? Then, and again try to keep up, CJ knocked the ball out of his hands right before he makes bodily contact with Carr, right? So no ball, which means Carr can't possibly be a passer anymore right? Can't throw a ball if you don't actually have one to throw, right?

Ack, I'm done with this; it's like talking to a baboon's ass. On to the Bills.

Suggest you get your eyes checked.

If you think Carr was running then you are the only person on earth who thinks that, just like Cheffer is the only person on earth who thinks it was roughing.

Don't think I can take your lessons on tackling any more if thats your definition of running.

At this point, im kinda thankful that "hold" kept another roughing the passer penalty from being called.

On a potential game changing play the ref needs to be 100% confident he is 100% correct on the call.

The only person involved in that game that came to conclusion that was a roughing penalty was the referee.

Does anyone remember that Chiefs at Pats game a few years back.I can't remember which Chiefs player it was,maybe a linebacker.He let up on sacking or tackling Brady,cause he thought he was already down or something and i think they scored on that play.For some reason i just remembered that.

Speaks. Grabbed Brady then let him go because he was afraid to get flagged.

This whole thing smacks of a few years ago when the NFL decided to crack down on roughing the QB, and Clay Matthews got flagged like 4 weeks in a row. A couple of those sacks looked very similar to what CJ did last night.

Hopefully the refs will calm the hell down like they did before and this particular issue will go away again.

Otherwise, if they keep this nonsense up, it may work in our favor ultimately. I mean, if you can't actually touch the QB, what's the point in drafting or paying for premier pass rushers?

Lol, even your QB didn't think it was roughing:
https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/st...80167299252227

Do you have a point? No one thinks it was roughing. That still doesn't excuse your sorry ass explanation for how it went down with your reeruned arrogance.

Now pay attention here because it's important. If you think Carr was running in an attempt to avoid being hit you are a ****ing moron.

Thing is this play wasn’t close to being a penalty. I know the rule subjective but it shouldn’t be that hard.

Roughing the passer is like porn, no need to define it, you know it when you see it.

florio and simms had a great segment. Hadn’t thought about all the ways this call was ****ed up.

Obviously the roughing call was bogus. Mostly because he braced himself to avoid full body force.
Play should have been reviewable to review the fumble. Neither the refs or NY did a review.
Even if it was roughing at worst it should have been chiefs ball, 1st and 25

You don't know CP well then. That horse is gonna be dead 1000 times over and still won't get to rest peacefully.

exactly. Cheffers is a joke.

Knowing the NFL its gonna get scrambled even more. They can make it reviewable then it will go to NY to decide among lawyers what is best for the league. They will make the right cover our ass call.

Even offensive players know this situation is far from tenable...

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I forrget. Is Chris going to get fined as well for RTP? Because in the past that was part of it; a player that drew a RTP flag would also get fined.

So, yes I slightly misremembered the play. Technically Carr is not running at the exact moment CJ catches him. Nice catch, genious.


Carr climbs the pocket when he sees/feels CJ beating the RT, so he's running. Or at least he sure isn't walking.

In fact, CJ has to chase him down, because Carr runs straight up the pocket, hesitates, then begins to head to his left, which about when CJ catches up to him. So technically Carr is not actually running at the moment when CJ makes contact with him, but he was less than half a second before CJ gets there.

Semantics aside, CJ is going just about full speed when he swats the ball out of Carr's hand and almost simultaneously collides into him. And unfortunately for CJ he's completely squared up with Carr, which doesn't leave him any physical way to do anything other than what he did, which was basically run Carr over. CJ does get his left hand out to brace himself, which should've negated the RTP flag. And quite honestly Cheffers, while being in the worst position to make that call, still should've seen CJ's arm/hand out to Carr's side trying to prevent his body from coming down on Carr.

So Cheffers still ****ed up.

But believe whatever dipstick theory you want.

So Monday and Tuesday, all we heard from the talking heads is that the NFL was going to meet about it right away.

Now yesterday, Schefter reported (still looking for the Tweet or other source) that a "league official" told him the NFL intends to double down and has ZERO intention of changing the roughing emphasis.

UFB

The league is going to deal with negative reporting about roughing the passer because at the end of the day nobody wants to watch Case Keenum play Chad Henne on Sunday afternoon. Ratings = money. The money keeps coming in when star QB's are playing and points are being scored. End. Of. Story.

Yep.

I was incredibly impressed with Jones on his post game interview at his locker

Jones is looking at defensive player of the year…

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That’s damn impressive

I was too. He handled it better than I would have, especially given what happened against Indy.

It’s Thursday. And perry fewell defended this horse shit call on behalf of the nfl.

And somehow the masses have decided it’s the camera guys fault that he ran into Davante adams’ shove.

Please make it make sense. The nfl can and should make a move to have roughing the passer reviewed. They’re so chicken shit scared of their tua **** up that my guess is they’ll ask the refs to de-emphasize it this week only for them to emphasize it again after another qb ends ip with a concussion. Just make roughing ****ing reviewable for the love of god