Actually, it is. Going into the game, BUF was only scoring TDs ≈55% of the time we got into the RZ. It was a weakness of their offense that was discussed prior to the game.

Both teams left points on the board. The Bills opening drive they fumbled on our 12 yard line which doesn't normally happen and they failed another time on our 4 when McKenzie tripped on an easy TD. Those things probably won't happen next time.

We also threw an INT in the end zone which we don't do often. The addition of Miller was key for them IMO. You can't stop Allen, I read a crazy stat where the last 3 games at Arrowhead he has like 10 TD's 0 INT and almost 1000 yards passing. Will need to find a way to limit Allen next time, if we meet again it could be in Buffalo for the first time. The only time we played in Buffalo recently they had no fans because of covid.

Precisely what I was going to say.

Sorry about that. I'll make sure I go out for a smoke before posting something like that in the future.:p

What part are you questioning?

Imagine thinking that these shitty ****ing tackles we're stuck with can handle 3-4 weeks of the best defenses in the league without getting Mahomes killed. You ****ing serious?? We won’t be playing the dregs of the league when the playoffs start. And our tackles shit the bed, and get blown the **** up every week regardless of who were playing. But herp derp, We CaN sTiLl WiN a SuPeR bOwL!!

Not only that but we’re league WORST at keeping opposing quarterbacks from passer rating. 107+ passer rating, 32 in the league. But yeah, we’re golden, right??

I mean, complaining about the offensive line has been a thing every year with Mahomes and they made the Super Bowl trotting out a bunch of practice squad guys.

Yes, Mahomes CAN cover pretty large warts.... and besides the Bills, who isn't in the list of dregs? The rest of the league is awful.

Fisher and Schwartz were loads better than OBJ and Wylie

That goes without saying. Healthy and in their primes, Fisher and Schwartz on this OL would practically guarantee SB appearances until they weren't. And pigs will fly out of my butt for Christmas . . .

This team was an awful Mahomes 2nd half away from going to the SB last year with literally the same exact OL.

****ing relax.

And we've been playing agaisnt great pass rushers all season. The playoffs aren't going to all of a sudden make it worse. Yet, we're 4-2 and could easily be undefeated.

Again, only a reerun comes out of that game feeling like we can't win a SB.

Is Wylie struggling because Trey Smith hasn't been all that this year. Has to have an impact.

Wylie is struggling because he's not a legitimate starting OT, period. He's as good as he's ever going to be at this point. Which is to say, that he's a decent backup G, playing RT at a slightly below league-average level. It is what it is.

Fortson and Gray are going to become much better chippers/blockers this season, so that's a silver lining.

It's the same "hope the Chiefs screw up" bullshit game plan we saw against Cincy. Getting old hearing this garbage.

Dude, we’re not talking about just one game. We’re looking at the whole picture through 6 weeks. Yeah we gave up only 24 to Buffalo. But gave up 29 to LV, 20 to the Colts without their main weapon, 24 to the Chargers, 31 to the Bucs. The defense has been playing at a shit leave so far. We generate no pressure with our front 4. Regardless of which defense we’re playing our tackles are getting their asses kicked. I guess you must just want Mahomes to run around like he did in SB LV. Neither our OTs or our defense is playing at a playoff level. 107+ opposing passer rating WORST, kickoff return coverage WORST, number one receivers smoking us, close to WORST. Missed tackles WORST by a LOT. But yeah we should be able to just roll into the playoffs and all those things were WORST in the league at will clearly just disappear. Are you using the Knowmo school of thought that these are just preseason games still??

Worked for them twice! And cost is a SB.

It's October. ;)

I understand that. Should we expect a worst to first type turnaround from both OTs and our whole defense? We’re we worst last year during the beginning of the season, or closer to middle of the pack. How do we expect our underperforming pass rush to just turn on a switch and be good vs bad? We’ve constantly had issues with poor tackling, and we’re currently worst in the league at it. Teams get an extra 5+ yards after contact every time. Andy Heck and the OTs aren’t gonna all of a sudden turn the corner, when they get their shot pushed in every week the first 5 weeks. I want to believe, but there’s just too many things going against us right now. Maybe some things turn around, but as a whole the team hasn’t looked great consistently through 6 weeks. There’s o way to fix the OTs this year, and we desperately need another pass rusher.

We came through what will arguably be out toughest stretch of games at 4-2. I think everyone looked at the schedule to start the year and thought they would be ok with that. Not sure why the negative vibes are harshing everyone's mellow.

Why would we need a worst to first? They've never had the best defense or even top two thirds at times, or the best offensive line.

recency bias

This is hilarious.

Our tackles are so bad Mahomes is going to get KILLED! OMG!!!

We just got done with a gauntlet that included Maxx Crosby, Chandler Jones, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Yannick Ngakoue, Deforest Buckner, Shaq Barrett, Von Miller, and Gregg Rousseau.

And yet Mahomes is not only NOT injured, he's leading the league in TD passes.

We're ****ing doomed!!!

I know, my ultimate point is that we only lost by 4 points.

It was a 1 score game.

we did OK

**** the Bills with their own dildos.

It’s cool, if OBJ gets him hurt by being a shit blindside protector. No big deal, right?

He barely covered Kelce.

Bills put siran Neal on him a lot, mixed in Dane Jackson and Jordan poyer, and they also played a lot of zone coverage on top of it.

Milano had little responsibility for Kelces big day

If I ever see this clown in KC - I'll punch him in the cock for everyone!

They are frauds. Every WR Allen throws to is wide the f*** open.

Uh, when was the last time Mahomes took a huge blindside hit? His pocket awareness is ****ing amazing and they're out of the shotgun so often, everything happening is usually right in front of him.

Chiefs no longer have a true rivalry within the division. And Cincinnati has looked subpar this year. I think everyone is hyped for this rivalry vs da bills. Sunday’s game was very winnable against this new & hated rival. Losing it in the fashion that they did is frustrating. So the glass is half full until the next victory. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it. :)

If that were likely at all, it would have already happened. We're not talking about Joe ****ing Burrow here.

It’s like they learned absolutely nothing from that catastrophic AFCCG last year

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Especially in 2nd half, Bills relied a lot on 3-man rush + a spy on Mahomes in obvious passing situations. Bengals used this effectively in the afccg. And <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyDungy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyDungy</a> did a great job breaking this down on FNIA and halftime last Sunday. Good job Leslie Frazier and Sean McDermott</p>&mdash; Chris Simms (@CSimmsQB) <a href="https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1582802425249157122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The fact they're getting pressures on a 3 man rush is one of the more damning indictments on Brown and Wylie.

So it’s impossible for Mahomes to get hurt now? That’s great to know!!

No, it can’t be. HTI or whatever his name is seems to think that our OL is ****ing awesome. The best news??? Mahomes hasn’t been injured in a while so he’s immune to injuries anymore. Heard it right here in this thread!! We’re golden now. May as well not even have an OL because I’ve been told within the last few posts that it hasn’t happened recently, so won’t happen again. We can go with bare bones OL from here on out!!

Drugs are a helluva drug.

This is pure homerism.

BOTH teams made mistakes and BOTH teams left points off the board.

1) The Bills fumbled in the redzone - that took points off the board. Mahomes threw an INT in the endzone. That took points off the board.

2) Bills went for 4th down in the redzone rather then kicking the field goal. That took points off the board. Butler missed a field goal. That took points off the board.

3) The Chiefs (Clark) was not called for a clear tripping on a crucial third down. The Bills weren’t called for a clear holding on a crucial final drive play.

Long story short - It all equaled out. It was fair. The idea that one team played perfectly and another had a C+ is just nonsense.

Allen is up against a weaker d than Mahomes.

Honestly, give Mahomes that defense with Diggs and give us Allen it would have been a 38-17 type game in favor of Mahomes and the Bills.

The Bills may actually be the best overall defense in the NFL.

And we only lost by 4.

Give us a rematch in the playoffs.

Our biggest problem on offense: Offensive tackle play. I know everyone here hates Niang, but when healthy, he's better than Wylie, who blows goats. Maybe he gets back soon.

Our biggest problem on defense is two-fold: 1)extreme youth and 2)ineffective pass rush without blitzing. The young'uns will continue to improve. Perhaps Furious George puts it together. Perhaps Veach has an October surprise in mind for the DL.

I can't believe they didn't resign Ingram. I mean, get it...Clark eats up all the Dline dollars...but **** did he solidify that edge...

Burrow had the worst O-line in the NFL last year. Didn’t get hurt

Carr had the best offensive line in the NFL in 2016. Got hurt and missed the playoffs

Nothing is guaranteed in this league.

I never said it was impossible.

You act like it's guaranteed. It's not. Not even close.

ROFL

You have no idea what you're even arguing.

Or….and this could be a little controversial….we run the damn ball, especially against 3 man rushes.

What a concept! I can’t believe someone as smart as Andy Reid is so prideful to throw the ball all the time.

Get Clyde off the ****ing field and run Pacheco

The only RB that has shown any consistency is McKinnon.

None of them have been consistent, to be honest. And that starts with Andy not running the ball enough.

Agree 100%, McKinnon has just shown more in his snaps than the other two.

See...the thing with the running game is this: It takes patience.

CP sees a 2 yard run and says: FAIL! Don't take the ball out of Mahomes' hands!

But that's not even a fraction of the picture.

If you keep pounding, if you stay balanced between running and passing, those two yard runs become 4, 5, 10 yards. The pass rushers have to honor their run responsibilities first, which slows the pass rush. It opens up play-action in the passing game.

But it takes patience. It takes will.

Yes, we have Mahomes, yes, he's a generational talent, but it's still football. We have OT's that struggle with speed rushers. Best way to negate a speed rusher? Run right at 'em.

#facts

I have NO issue with us running the ball more - hell, I've called for it numerous times. The problem I have is with the who (is running the ball) and the with the what (plays we are running).

If you lined McKinnon/Pacheo up next to Clyde out of a flat back pro set and ran actual ISOs, Power 26/O, treys, counters, draws, and dives, it would change everything.

This whole RPO version of a running game i.e. "oh shit, here they come - hot potato, hot potato!" bullshit needs to stop.

Just no more Clyde stutter stepping and falling into the ass of Trey Smith for 2 yards.

True fans unite, draft fatties and run the ball.

Time is a flat circle

ROFL

Obligatory.

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It's been 10 years, almost to the day.

The time has come to do it again.

Me too.

Well, kind of.

The NFL has long been called a 'copycat league'. And for good reason.

If everyone is going to adapt the Fangio two deep S, drop 7 and be able to pressure with 4 thing as an answer to these young stud QB's who can chuck it 70 yards then yeah.

So you have to counter. What's the counter? Well, it's less sexy than Jet Chip Wasp, and it requires patience, but it's not a mystery.

The way to beat that isn't to just run it though. A little more run game, sure. Have at it. But just as it wasn't always then, it's not now to just hand it off.

Chris Meck has it right:

The best way to take pressure off your OT's is to be able to slow those DE's down by rushing the ball EFFECTIVELY. Jamming CEH up Thuney or Trey's ass doesn't scare anyone. Hell, there really aren't many DE's that can't get to Clyde if he slips past the LOS. Now, Isaiah (or JM1) getting past the LOS is a different story. They can actually break loose and do some damage. The problem is that we don't run enough for any of our backs, or OL to get into any sort of rhythm in the running game. You have to commit to it, and we have shown ZERO willingness or patience to do it. I get it, you have PMII in the backfield, so why not pass every down (or the overwhelming majority)? Well, the answer is because your OT's are DE turnstiles and it's not going to hold up against the better teams.

well, sure.

I would argue that in KC's case, the RPO is no longer the way to go. For a few reasons-first off, it puts your offensive line in a difficult position, second-Mahomes doesn't want to hand it off, he wants to throw and defenses know this, and 3-the key read for Mahomes is the EDGE player, right? Well, defenses are coached to maintain their rush lanes as they know how dangerous Mahomes is outside the pocket. So I don't think it's particularly useful anymore. I think we oughta scrap it.

I think we should run more plays under center.

I think we should run more plays with multiple TE's; they're a matchup problem in coverage, and can help with chips on those edge rushers to help our OT's. Brown needs the help to keep the EDGE in front of him, and Wylie blows goats. When you DO run the ball, you have numbers up front. It was working earlier in the season, and we just abandoned it the last couple of weeks.

I'm not advocating a return to Martyball, but committing to a balanced attack is the best way to help your OT's and plays to the strengths of your offensive line as well as helping your passing game.

I agree. They'll sometimes get a good run on first down and then pass on the next five consecutive plays. Reid has never been patient with the running game. Bienemy is a former RB yet he doesn't seem to mind either. They ran well against Tampa, which is supposed to have the best run defense in the league.

So did I, 2 weeks ago, after a victory. But no one wanted to talk about it because :
1. We won.

And

2. I'm rabblerouser, so I get disregarded immediately.

But :

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...=345401&page=2

Outside of a couple responses, all I got was grief from a couple of contrarian assholes who troll me around the board due to lack of imagination, I suppose...

We failed against the Bills because we were horrendous on 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and long doesn't help your OTs at all. It doesn't matter who you have out there blocking for Mahomes when it's consistently 3rd and long.

Entire OL but1 did it’s job here. Wylie gets wrecked. If Patrick gets even 1 more second then it s big gain.

Noah Gray wide open in the middle of the field

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lots of OL talk this week, so in the Mahomes review I&#39;ll go more in-depth on flushes (OL fault) vs happy feet (Mahomes&#39; fault) plays, as well as detailing who was responsible for pressures and how often.<br><br>Should be... not fun. But maybe enlightening? No idea what to expect tbh. <a href="https://t.co/n6WIrZURno">pic.twitter.com/n6WIrZURno</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1583093372109357056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sure. <br><br>Route combo of Fortson/Gray on left side works to draw underneath LB&#39;s to Fortson and free up Gray. Another second and this is a decent gain over the middle. <a href="https://t.co/WWlt6m66Gt">pic.twitter.com/WWlt6m66Gt</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1583098450245455873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There is obviously a problem when Brown's best bet is to continually block the DE wide 10 yards beyond the LOS and then Wylie getting beat to the inside. If Wiley can force his guy wide, then Mahomes has a pocket.

Right, but I'm addressing why that is.

And as for being in 3rd and long, well, if your OT's can't pass block, you're going to be in 3rd and long anyway, more often than not. And I'd offer that at least if you only get two yards on first running the ball, that's better than an incomplete pass or sack because at least you've shown the defense that you WILL run the ball, which does make the pass rush actually play it honestly.

So I offer my prescription.

More snaps under center, more two and three TE sets to help chip block as well as run block, more commitment to being balanced in run/pass ratio. Less RPO, more effective play-action.

I'll add more quick slants to my prescription as well.

I wish Reid adjusted better in that game and gave up on routes that take time to develop. It clearly wasn't happening. Though on that replay, the O-Line didn't give Mahomes any time to throw. He likely didn't want to drop further for fear of a safety in the end zone.

Tampa's run defense especially since it didn't even have Suh's replacement was overrated by the announcers of that game. Suh is at least a borderline HOFer and he has been missed this year by Tampa. JPP is gone as well.

That being said, the Chiefs do look like they have what it takes to at least be a good running team.

I literally posted all of this in my thread after the Raiders game.

Then, you came in and posted this after the Tampa Bay game :

So...which one is it?

Oh, dang, you got me!

Only not.

Not trying to be a dick.

I'm just wondering if you still think it's just execution or not.

I don't think the things are mutually exclusive at all.

None of this stuff is. It's why these arguments just go round and round in circles.

I think if our OT's are studs, we could do pretty much anything we want and be successful.

They're not, so we can't.

And for whatever reason, Tampa couldn't deal with the RPO's, and neither could Arizona.

Buffalo and Indy had answers.

I think we ought to get away from it. I don't think we can consistently execute it against strong front fours.

Wylie, just total ass / fail.

It's that hitch, that little delay when Patrick pulls it down to hand it off or pulls it back to throw it that kind of allows defenses to already be in position it seems like...

But yes, get away from the RPO.

Pretty damn awful

Perfect playcall. We just didn’t execute. This is most likely a TD or 20 yard gain to go inside the 10 at worse. Goddamnit

Got a FG to go up 20-17 but that would have likely made it 24-17

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the Burton screen. It was a perfect call against the Bills blitz. If it connects at minimum it is a first down. Best case a touchdown. People will criticize the throw. But Mahomes knew how quickly the window was closing with those blitzes. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/lmQJvFI9C9">pic.twitter.com/lmQJvFI9C9</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1582869084278231040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ugh so many missed opportunities