It seems so much longer.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don't think they're all that great as a unit.

Thuney and Humphrey are awesome but currently the only two I'd say who are above average.

Brown Jr. is average, Trey Smith is below average, and Wylie is bad.

Again, he doesn't do anything but run. So, you can't really just trot him out there for run plays, or you're just screaming, "hey, dipsticks, look at us run the ball!"

you could if we were TEN or BAL or any team that currently runs more than 50% of their snaps, but not the Chiefs that only run it about 35% of snaps. At most.

We aren't ever going to be a power-running team while Andy and pat are leading this offense.

I think R. jones was always just a backup RB in case CEH and Jerrick went down, or a situation back when we were just going to run it over and over to salt away a game.

Maybe Andy felt like he could make Jones a better pass pro back and insert him in more situations, because that's something Andy would try to do, but it's pretty clear he didn't make much progress there, or he wouldn't be a heathy scratch every week.

What happened though, was pacheco turned out to not only be a decent downhill runner, but also a good returner and also was willing to become a decent pass pro RB.

And at that point, there's no reason to suit up Jones with his singular skillset of being able to run a little. Cuz he aint that special either toting the ball.

I bet they tried to trade him at the deadline and couldn’t.

Nah, that's not how they do it in KC. It's CEH's first season actually 100% healthy. They were always going to give him this chance to show out this season.

It just didn't happen. And it's not like he's a total bust. He currently has the longest RB run from scrimmage, the most yards, TDs, receiving yards, and I think the 2nd most yds/att.

But it's obvious he's not good enough to be RB1 next season.

We need a RB1 that can still make some hay (about 4.6yds/att?) even when the OL isn't perfect, because it almost never is, that can pass pro reliably, catch, and run some good routes.

I keep dreaming about a guy like Jamaal Charles in this offense and think he could legit average 6ypc and get close to 30 total tds.

Pass pro...sure. I get that. But he only averages 1 less reception per game in his career than CEH. If he can be better than CEH at running the ball, then he's the better running back for us, period. Especially when McKinnon is coming in on every 3rd down anyways.

And CEH doesn't do anything. I'll take the guy who doesn't do anything but run at this point.

KC is 27th in the league in rushing attempts. It’s really hard to get any RB/Run Game going consistently when there is no commitment to the run. Even harder when you are rotating 3 backs in, and splitting 20’ish (on average) carries per game.

To me, it’s not a running back issue. Not an OL issue either. It’s a repetition problem/consistency issue within the play-calling.

Have you seen Jones run routes? It's pretty elementary. And he doesn't have any improv skills to speak of. Ditto his catching ability.

Look, it comes down to the fact that right none of the guys in the RB room are that great. Jerrick is probably overall the best of the bunch, but even Jerrick isn't that special. if we took Kareem back today, he'd easily be the best RB in the room, and from what I've seen of him this season, that's not that high a bar right now.

But Kareem could regularly make something out of nothing, and right now our OL is not creating a lot of good holes on a consistent basis, so our RBs are not producing consistently.

Pacheco is the only guy that is still mostly potential, so maybe he becomes that guy down the road, like next year. But he's pretty raw still.

Bottom line, the guy we need should basically be at least Joe Mixon or Dalvin Cook type of RB. Jack of all trades, great at nothing maybe, but good at everything, physically about 5' 10" 210lbs or around there. Oh look, that's Kareem Hunt. Shocking.

You want real flash, then we're looking for more of a Christian McCaffrey or a Aaron jones type. Alvin Kamara would fit here as well. more explosive with the ball, but still good at all the other things. A prime or near prime Shady McCoy would be the ideal in this offense, because he was good at all of those things, and had elite vision and quickness.

But the running game would be perfectly acceptable with a RB in the Dalvin Cook mold. Good speed, some quicks, good vision, good YAC/RAC, runs good routes and good at pass pro. Oh, and stays pretty healthy.

So, you like the idea of Mahomes getting hit and sacked more, having to run for his life more?

Good idea.

He's a disgrace. If he wins a Super Bowl he should give up his ring (unless he plays a key part which I doubt because he is SHITE). He is so bad that I wish he plays poorly for us now so there is no hope he can get further carries in subsequent games. It doesn't help that his face is so very punchable. This is my unbiased opinion and the discord posters can confirm that I am very fair and objective when it comes to Clyde Edwards-Hellaire.

**** yo cat

McKinnon is fine, but your point otherwise stands

I would also throw in that the line has usually been inadequate at run blocking

You hear so often from coaches and players that run blocking is an attitude, and that if they're not asked to do it often enough, it becomes extremely hard to simply flip the switch when its time to run

So yeah part of it is playcalling IMO, and no we don't wanna take it outta Pats hands too often, and yes its a fine line to straddle... but Andy/Eric have to get better at it

Yeah cause CEH runs such a diverse set of routes. Good point.

Nope. But if CEHs only good quality is his pass blocking, he's useless. I'll take the back who's only good quality is running the ball and can do 50%-80% of what CEH brings receiving.

Runs a lot more routes than Jones. Maybe you forgot that route he ran on Sunday bailing Pat out and converting the first down? Just one textbook example of things RoJo can't/won't do.

And CEH is a willing pass pro RB. RoJo?

The Question is why did we sign him. R. Jones was a known commodity. Good runner poor in the passing game.

Any sane person: CEH is worse than a JAG and wouldn't make the Raiders practice squad...

Chiefs Planet Stan:

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What? He ran a simple sideline/wheel route and then came back for the ball. Good catch. But nothing special. There's a reason he only catches one more ball per game than RoJo.

They watched their Oline not get any push against a great Dline.

I'm glad Andy wasn't too stubborn to keep trying.

Our Oline needs some major work in the run game.

Not sure Rojo can run a wheel route.

Rojo wouldn't have come back. or wouldn't have caught it.

Also, in this offense RBs are expected to be able to run routes from the slot, or any position in the offense, x, y, z, whatever. Rojo can't do any of that. But CEH can and we've seen him run WR-type routes. Rojo can't do that at all.

And who said anything about special? I'm talking about the bare minimum to just be on the field. That's run the ball, be decent in pass pro, run the minimum number of routes from not just the tailback position but also the slot.

Rojo does one of those things. And it's not like he's a great runner anyway. he showed some flashes in TB early, but even then, he wasn't special. if he was, I'd be at least quietly banging the desk for him to get in there, but he's not. Never was. He was probably always backup in case CEH or Jerrick got hurt. No one saw Pacheco coming, which is how Jones ended up where he is.

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This image just sums up Clyde Edwards-Hellaire's career as a RB who is also a receiving threat. When the ball hits his stupid head it rang hollow. Never again pick an RB as the first draft pick because you might end up with another CEH pretending to be a serious footballer.

99.99999% of the time CEH starts plays in the backfield. I don't know what you're talking about. And in that 0.00001% play, they can put in another running back.

Really, watch the game again and look at the RB routes. I don't know what you think you're watching cause they literally do the minimum most plays when it comes to running routes.

Lol, you're talking about one game? Okay, you win, if we're just going to talk about one game, then fine, whatever.

I'm talking about known capabilities between two RBs. Not what happened in one game. You want to argue about this single game? Fine, Rojo might've been okay in place of CEH on Sunday.

Who cares?

Watch any game. Our backs aren't asked for much route wise. Chip, run to the right flat. Be the check down. Chip, run to the left flat. Be the check down. Wheel route. Repeat.

So we never run screens for our RBs. Didn't know that. Must've imagined the ones I saw a few weeks ago. No angle routes, even though I know I saw one earlier in the season. But don't believe my lying eyes, got it.

But seriously, you just listed three things Rojo doesn't do.

Ronald Jones runs screens. And no we don't run nearly enough of them for our running backs. And barely any angle routes.

And when you need to run those fancy schmancy screens that are so hard to run, you can put McKinnon in, or Pacheco in anyways.

How long have you been a Chefs fan? Since before Mahomes was the QB1 our RBs run routes from every possible position. X, Y, Z, H whatever. This is Andy's offense. How many times did we see Kareem run routes from the X or the Y? Dozens, at least. Probably close to hundreds.

Look, it comes down to flexibility, or in footballspeak, being multiple. RBs in Andy's offense have to be multiple. And have to be able to pass pro. THat's the job in a nutshell.

Rojo isn't multiple, and he doesn't pass pro very well, if you can call what he does in passing downs, pass pro.

CEH will pass pro, so automatically he's up a rung from RoJo in Andy's offense. Nothing to argue about there, period. Gotta protect the half-billion dollar QB.

Then you have to be able to run routes from at least the RB and slot (Y/H) just to stay on the field if Pat decides to go hurry up. That's how half the big plays happen; Pat sees a defense he wants to exploit and goes no huddle, keeping the DC from substituting. Rojo doesn't have that capability. Sod you have to sub him out if he can't do certain things, which allows the DC to sub as well.

The exact opposite of what Andy and Pat want.

Look, don't argue with me, go to RoJo's house and get on his ass for not being able to stay on the field because he won't pass pro.

If he could pass pro and run the plays Pat and Andy want to run in no-huddle, then yeah, let's get him on the field, because empirically he's a better runner than CEH.

But he can't, so Andy won't, so this is a moot discussion, again. Over before it starts.

Man..I really wanted Travis Etienne he would have been money in this offense.

I don't know but I certainly hope so.

The doctor from Midland doesn’t want him to play.

No to Ronald Jones.

Also we need to stop trying to get 3 ****ing guys in the rotation. We need a 1-2 punch. McKinnon is our 3rd down back and is the best option out of the backfield and in pass protection. So he is getting one of the spots. My choice for the other spot would be Pacheco. Pacheco is the "starter" and should be getting like 55% of snaps and 12-20ish rushes a game. McKinnon can have like 5-8 rushes and a few receptions.

This 3 man shit is making it hard to get anything going.

Also if Pacheco is the starter then he shouldn't be returning kicks

Dude…me too. He would’ve been perfect.


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It isn't.

CEH absolutely isn't a great fit for the zone blocking schemes Andy Heck has the line blocking out, but for real CEH doesn't have great vision, isn't particularly quick, doesn't cutback when the expected hole doesn't appear, doesn't set his blockers up well when they DO carry out their assignments, lacks ball awareness, doesn't catch well, and totally fumbled away the football with the game on the line against the Ravens last year.

**** him.

not sure if it's been mentioned and don't care enough about CEH to read the entire thread - but he put out a tweet that said something indicating possible movement off of the team. It wasn't that 'black and white' but yeah - he said something that'd leave a person feeling like he thought he may get traded etc.

Then he tried to say it was rap lyrics

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kmsl , Rough Ryders by NBA Youngboy : Im listening to music fishing, leave me alone ������ <a href="https://t.co/Olmp9gpMud">https://t.co/Olmp9gpMud</a></p>&mdash; GLYDE (@Clydro_22) <a href="https://twitter.com/Clydro_22/status/1587521853542703104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah CEH runs so many routes and is such a better receiver than RoJo that he averages only 1 more catch per game than him. Either he doesn't run as many routes as you seem to think he does or he's just plain ass at it and doesn't get open or catch balls. Choose one. And our RBs get subbed out a lot even now. I'm confused why you think RoJo playing would mean he wouldn't get subbed out like they already do now.

I don't even get why you brought up Kareem. I've said it a lot on this site that when he left he took the screen playbook with him. Which is why again, CEH runs all his routes out of the backfield and he doesn't run a lot of screens, thus only averaging 1 catch and 8 yards receiving more than RoJo does.

LMAO that makes two of us

Didn’t read this thread because I’ve been ready to ship MEH out for awhile & his butthole buddy staylor26.

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....alrighty then

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That's not true. We had a pretty good screen game with Williams.

Yeah I said that on my original post but since he only brought up Kareem, that's who I used here :)

Ah, my bad. I didn't see your original post. :thumb:

This isn't the diss you think it is. YOU searched up two dudes together and then browsed through them to find the right one.

Did we trade this POS yet?

The Jags game would be a good spot to make RoJo active.

Kareem was the last best 3-down RB we had. After that it's been RB by committee.

R. jones isn't a complete back in the first place, and he doesn't know the playbook anyway. We know this because if he was and if he did, he'd probably be suiting up on Sundays. Or Mondays, or Thursdays. He's insurance.

Clyde knows the playbook, can pass pro and run routes.

Jerrick knows the playbook, can run routes, is a willing pass pro, and he's faster. Just injury -prone.

Pacheco doesn't know the whole playbook, but he's a willing pass pro back, can catch, and is the fastest, most violent runner.

R. Jones is a decent runner, doesn't know the playbook and doesn't pass pro.

Don't see how Jones is better than the other three in Andy's offense.

These are 2 gorgeous men. Hopefully Billy doesn't come in here and see it. He will blow his wad all over.

Also did you Google "two dudes tongue ****ing"?

He probably just took a snippet of his favorite porn. Had it all ready to go for this very moment.

How exactly do you know he doesn't know the playbook? And if he doesn't, wtf good is he as insurance?

He’s the most explosive guy in the RB group. Pretty good blocker too! Only problem with McKinnon is the injury history. Gotta hope he can stay healthy for playoffs.

They're not picking up his fifth year option, that's for sure. He's a good player and has flashed many times. This team just doesn't require much out of their RB's. I don't think even Kareem Hunt would be doing much in this offense.

Can we please get that out of here.

It's his live feed of Billay's apartment.



Fortunately you can't see Billay yanking it over in the corner...

I don't know what's worse. The gay porn in this thread or giving the ball to CEH on first down..

outstanding citizened?

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I don’t for sure, but it’s a give. In the league that it takes time for skill players to learn Andy’s offense.

How do you know he has? Or that he’s now a willing pass protector?

So you're just making shit up like usual. Seems about right.

Lol, I don't make things up. But, let's see.

The entire NFL world has stated for years, that Andy's playbook is the largest in the league, and that it takes time to learn it. I didn't make that up, every analyst, former coach and player has made that statement hundreds of times. Literally dozens of video clips of Andy's players on Youtube making that statement. Heck, they bring it up like every other gameday. I guess they're all lying, according to you?

Whatever. The facts are pretty simple: Rojo's reputation coming to KC was that he was a decent RB until the year before we got him, when he didn't do much for TB, for whatever reasons. But one of the 'weaknesses' in his game according to the football pundits was that he wasn't a plus in the pass pro department.

Again, not me, but the entire NFL analyst world.

So either Rojo doesn't pass pro or he's a negative in pass pro. Which is absolutely necessary for any RB in Andy's offense, for obvious reasons.

Then we have his familiarity with the playbook. Has he ever been in Andy's offense before? No.

So he only has a few months in it, and limited snaps in practice because there's three other guys ahead of him that need the reps more, plus, and this is according to Andy, they don't practice runs that much in practice.

OTOH;

CEH has 3 years to study and get physically familiar with Andy's playbook. Plus, three years worth of practices. Okay, a little less because of injuries, but whatever.

Jerrick is in his second year in KC. And is a known willing blocker.

R. Jones has had a couple months. With basically no prior history of being a plus pass protector.

Who, between the two, in your opinion probably is more familiar with the largest playbook in the NFL? Who is probably the better pass protector?

This is called logic.

And btw, I have already stated twice in this thread alone that in my opinion CEH isn't the best option for RB1 going forward.

The only argument I've been making with you here is that CEH is the better prepared/more multiple RB vs. Rojo.

And for the record, i don't have any particular problem with Rojo either. Personally, I thought he'd be RB3 from the get go. Like many others, I never saw Pacheco leap-frogging Rojo, because he was a 7th round RB, which usually means project, not legit prospect.

Howeever;

You want to be an ass to me because you don't like me using facts and logic, I guess go right ahead. But the facts and the obvious conclusions based on those facts are right there.

Have a nice day though. I don't have any beef with you, and don't think I ever have before. i was always merely trying to lay out the truth of the matter.

Is there any news from the training field on whether this wee man is going to be our go to RB against the Jags? It would be quite fitting seeing him playing in Jacksonville because he is the epitome of a JAG.