I think this is the correct reading.

But, honestly. That seems to bolster the case that you rest Allen.

That roster can only win a Super Bowl if their elite QB plays.

Wait......

So your angle is the team purposefully slanted the diagnosis to push the narrative he wasn't risking further injury knowing that wasn't true?


Dr's paid by the team are giving BS diagnosis so they can rush Josh back out there eh?

I'm trying to wrap my head around a scenario where that makes even 1% sense. The team isn't going to risk Allen's future over a game. If you think that well, I guess you don't believe we landed on the moon either. Conspiracies abound!

That one loss took them from #1 to #6, now both the Dolphins and Jets can top them and NE is right there...

Now they're in the mud of the AFC with a schedule that is increasing in difficulty. They wanted to play from in front and get a bye, they were basically going to play Allen unless his arm fell off..

I've also watched them much more than I had before and I'm starting to question if even they know he's going to have a limited run as a top notch player. He's extremely reckless, several times yesterday he's lucky he didn't get killed..especially the one where he turned backwards.

Also he makes some passes that when Buffalo has to do what we have done and go with some cheaper receivers...it's not gonna work, he isn't Mahomes out there.

they have to go play detroit on thanksgiving, then they have a thursday night shitfest with NE and belichick trying to play spoiler

THEN the Jets and Miami

not gonna be easy

Plenty of guys are encouraged to play when they have serious injuries. Buffalo is clouded by that they have to win this year, they have made some irrational decisions.

They aren't making long haul decisions, they are making we have to win the SB this year above all else decisions.

I'm not a doctor so I don't have a strong opinion either way, but the RGIII situation was only 10 years ago. I don't think it's farfetched to believe the higher-ups would force a hasty decision to save their jobs.

More recently, I read that Mac Jones was looking for a second opinion because he felt the team was rushing him back from injury prematurely.

I don’t think they’re slanting the diagnosis. I’d imagine there’s input both from the doctor and the player who will fight like hell to play. Just as I don’t blame the doctors for clearing tua but I sure as hell blame the coach who thought it was a good idea to play him after a short week.

I’m sure he was cleared to play by all physical measures. It is the coach’s job to decide if it’s worth it. And I don’t see how it is. I’d Rather have a fully healthy arm on a qb with a lower playoff seed than a bye week with a qb playing at 80%

Watch out, you’ll get negged and challenged to do something about it ROFL

If Buffalo doesn't go to the bowl at the least McDermott is probably toast...

Nobody in Buffalo's organization was at risk of losing their job over the Vikings game.

I mean nobody is going to get fired even though they lost right? Right.

No but they lost the #1 seed if they go into the playoffs as the 5 their odds of making the bowl decline dramatically and they could get people fired.

I was directly addressing the not so subtle implication of this comment. Its nonsense.

Josh Allen's elbow blowing up on the field because they lied or even downplayed the risk would cost way way way more jobs.

There is an entire history of the NFL of team doctors not being 100% honest with players and telling them things that benefit the team, this shit has been covered over and over and over, we just gonna ignore it now?

Most recently we saw it with Tampa. And I can’t believe more hasn’t been said of what Bruce arians did. Crazy as AB is, it seems likely he was strongly encouraged to play. Gronk was playing with broken ribs, fournette totally unnecessarily playing through a hurt hammy, godwin hurting himself through ill advised sideline sprints

And then of course Tua.

It could sure, but it's a chance...what if you are McDermott and you basically think this is it,if you don't win it this year you're gone. You just gonna make decisions for 3 years from today when you won't be around?

Well, let’s not forget that we’re a few weeks removed from a doctor getting lobbed directly under the bus for the dolphins playing tua. I suspect these doctors are mostly responsible for giving the best information on the risk and it’s up to the teams to decide. I agree with you they aren’t slanting the diagnosis. But i suspect their threshold for clearing players is very low. It has to be given how many 50/50 decisions there are about clearing a player to play.

Have we heard the result of the investigation into the Tua episode? Aside from speculation is there evidence he actually had a concussion the first time?

My overall point is Allen signed a 6 year $258 Million contract, they aren't risking his future over the Vikings game.

This isn't 1985 and players aren't playing for peanuts. Does anyone believe Andy Reid would take that risk?

Definitely think McDermott has enormous pressure to win a ring in the next couple years. They have maybe the best roster in the league. At some point the coach has to be held responsible for coming up short.

I didn't know Tarzan is a Bills fan.

The Chiefs sat Mahomes in a similar position...

Reid doesn't feel the pressure McDermott does.

Lol, we've all been in their shoes. Some more than others. Hilarious deja vu posts of the dimwits that want to fire their coaching staff over one out-of-conference loss. Sounds very familiar [cough cough].

my conversation with bill cody is fun!

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...77#post4976777

Damn. I like their team more than they do.

Something that jumps out at me is Allen takes insane chances with the ball with high level receivers...what happens when he doesn't have those guys? Is he gonna throw 30 picks being aggressive?

Coaches and owners also want to win. It's like that good hand you draw but something isn't quite right. You know you should fold but you haven't won a big hand in so long and this is the first big chance you've had in forever.

The bills franchise is desperate for a title. They made major moves this off-season to win now and things will get more difficult in the coming years with the cap.

Not that hard to believe they could make some poor decisions to win now. Don't know the whole story but I don't see it as some wild conspiracy theory. Just human nature.

Glossed over that it's BillZone... that's the better one, I believe Cntrygal helps run it. Far better than TBD.... they deserve all the trolling they receive and then some.

Exactly. Reading a board that is like reading about “crazy chick accusing me of stealing her drugs and …”

Reid was a proven winner without Mahomes. All of McDermott’s success has happened because of Josh Allen. Definitely puts some big time pressure on McDermott, especially when the team is pumping big money into an aging Von Miller.

Did Josh Allen's arm look hurt to you?

No. They weren't taking any undo risk.

His brain maybe, not this arm.

Nobody with a worthwhile opinion.

I know we're treasuring our years of Mahomes, but we also need to treasure our years with Andy Reid (ESPECIALLY Andy Reid with Mahomes).

We might find a Barry Switzer who's just good enough to win a ring with everything we have established, but it's going to be a step back. I doubt we find a coach who cultivates this kind of chemistry among the locker room and with the players, and I DEFINITELY doubt we'll find as creative of an offensive mind.

The people who continue to rant and rave and complain about Andy seem to think all-time great head coaches grow on trees. We can do far ****ing worse.

He’s not taking what’s given to him. Patrick had this problem last year but fixed it.

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Nahh man. Mahomes in cold weather games is nice. Hawaiian born and raised Tua and those ferraris of his arent gonna run too well on frozen grass in sub zero temps in January.

He wasn't the same guy...you could see that.

Cold weather will destroy his weak arm passes more than they already are.

I think the tua episode is a good example of there being only so much a doctor can do. So much of that assessment depends on the player telling the coach how he feels. Alex smith said as much… he didn’t blame the team but he mentioned he “hid” info so he can get back on the field.

Would Andy do it? Alex smith seems to believe no. I also think Andy is way more conservative about this during the regular season than other coaches might be. Maybe because he has the luxury of being less desperate. I do get that we played mahomes after his leg injury and after the concussion sooner than some of the “experts” may have suggested. However I still feel like what Miami did to tua and arians did to… everybody was pretty egregiously bad. Buffalo doesn’t feel as egregious to me but no, I don’t think Andy plays josh allen knowing this is a regular season game with a playoff position well within their sights

Well, Alex Smith is a moron, so...

I think many are asking if it’s affecting his grip.

And if some of his late game collapse was from his elbow feeling worn down.

They should win that game just because the Lions defense is so bad but given the short week and decent Lions offense at times that’s definitely a game the Bills could lose.

I'll definitely have dementia by the time Mahomes is gone. How fortunate! Just hope I can have some coherence for the last SB run.

Nah, I think he’s a very good example. He’s tough as nails and a competitor and doesn’t want to use injury as an excuse to not compete. In those situations it’s on the coaches to not let the player get in his own way. But it also brings an interesting perspective because sometimes the coaches can only work with the info they’re given. If players want to hide their pain they may not know they’re hurting. Gotta be a tough environment for players to prove they’re tough as nails while also doing the responsible thing and not put your team in a bind.

I've been a fan that long too, and before Mahomes I was already there with my Sundays. It just wasn't worth spending that much of the remaining time on Chiefs football.

Damn't I watched him play in the season finale against Denver and could not turn away since!

that's where I'm at.

The Fumble/TD at Indy....forward progress game........phantom hold on 2pt conversion game........those games nearly did me in as a fan.

Now I get to just bitch about the refs.

I think we pretty much know what Andy would do since he won't even run a QB sneak anymore out of an abundance of caution.

No, not at the moment, but that could definitely be one that's looked back on when everything is said and done. If these dudes get bounced from the playoffs in the first round because they've gotta go on the road to Miami, they may look at making some changes in the coaching staff.

You've got to consider where they are in their story. Imagine how KC was in 2018 after that heartbreaking AFCCG loss to the Patriots, except the Bills have never won a single Super Bowl. Plus, KC knew they had the best QB on the planet at that time, but the Bills actually aren't so sure of that. Since they got bounced last year, they know this season is their absolute best shot at winning a chip before it gets a whole hell of a lot harder.

Either that, or they just want the fans to quit throwing dildos on the field

He's been throwing 2nd half INTs since well before his elbow was injured. Honestly he didn't play any different than he had the previous 3 or so weeks.

Before getting to know a former Canadian, I didn't know that the Buffalo/Niagara Falls, Ontario area is teeming with greasy Italian mafia wannabes. That explains the "Bills Mafia" nonsense. It's even dumber than "Chiefs Kingdom".

C'mon Al Roker. Chiefs Kingdom isn't stupid...especially if your a fan of my favorite football team THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS.

The post saying Chubb is going to run for 1 million yards against their defense is 100% facts.

It's a much better name than Bills Mafia, for sure...or as my Canadian friend calls them: "Dumb ****ing Wops". LMAO

Yeah, she posted in that thread that Clay linked.

You make a fair point that Buffalo is done in January if Allen isn't playing but that argument I believe really should just be telling him to slide more and bench him for a series or at least play if he doesn't.

But I believe it matters where the playoff games are played and avoiding a playoff game is often crucial. Injuries literally impact every playoff game so just having one less playoff game to avoid new injuries can be huge.

I actually believe KC and not Buffalo is the most talented team in AFC. Why does Buffalo have a better point differential? KC has a bunch of new pieces on defense/offense and are figuring it out.

As for the vaunted Bill's defense? Better defense than KC? Sure but still not a powerhouse defense against a high powered offense.

Josh Allen played arguably the best game of his career against KC in last years playoffs considering the circumstances and *still lost*. Buffalo did very little running the ball when Allen wasn't running.

Tyreek Hill made their entire secondary look foolish. Miami right now has more than just Hill on offense

I have great respect for Von Miller and he will help but he doesn't solve all of these problems.

Exactly !!;)

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Yup. He’s gonna have to outgrow that or it’s gonna hurt them.

I mean, in fairness… we did play him immediately after a supposed head injury that many thought looked too bad to play. And on a knee that just recovered where we were told one hit the wrong way could lead to long term damage. That being said I tend to agree that if a short term play could mean long term injury, he’d be more reluctant to do it. Alex smith has said as much.

Allen is brutally honest in media interviews. The first step to getting better is admitting your mistakes. He has the right attitude and humility to admit his flaws and try his hardest to improve.

This makes me realize I've been too hard on our gamethread residents around here.

The first step to getting better is admitting your mistakes. I read that somewhere.

They need to calm down. They lost a close one to a good team. Allen is still learning like Mahomes had too after last year. Allen want to always go for big play even when it's not there. He will get better and play with more patience like our guy does. Mahomes is better than ever now.

They've lost 3 super close games to 3 good teams, certainly not a trainwreck situation for them by any means. If their slump & playoff run last year is any indication, they will probably be a much better team in January than right now.

Haven’t read the thread, so maybe this has been mentioned. Can’t believe none of their fan base is complaining about them not taking a shot at the end zone with 5 seconds. They easily could have thrown a quick fade or slant for the win. If it fails incomplete, you still have time to kick the tying FG. Seems like they should have taken one shot on a quick throw.

Also, once the Vikings had the touchback with 2 seconds in regulation, why not throw a bomb to Jefferson? It’s not impossible that he’d be interfered with and they get an intoned down for a FG attempt. Instead they just down it. I don’t understand that.

Cousins took way too many sacks yesterday to be confident that Von wouldn't strip sack him before he could get a throw off.

Are you mean it's not???

No lie, i'm more worried about the Dolphins than the Bills.

No one has figured them out yet like i had hoped, and their weapons are a match up problem for everyone.

They have a talented defense too, that if they start clicking, could pose real problems.

Pains me to say it, but they're the scariest matchup in the league right now.

We have the future GOAT, with great supporting people, great coaching, and I have a hard time watching a ****ing game. I'm pissed about every little thing. Every play should be a td, every defensive play should be a strip sack. I can watch a game (muted), but prefer to watch RedZone (muted). That's not healthy.

It all comes down to Tua.

Do not like it at all when I watch him get into a Brady like rhythm with quick, short passes right after the snap.

Bengals are also a pretty big challenge for the Chiefs until proven otherwise.

Miami has punted 2 times in the last 3 weeks.

I fully expect us to beat them during the reg season in a few weeks. And who knows if they make the playoffs.

I feel this on such a personal level. Chiefs games are so hard to watch live now. I can't just settle down and enjoy the good football as it's happening cause I'm just so anxious over the possibility of losing. Winning isn't nearly as satisfying, and losing feels 1000 times worse. Even though I align myself as an optimist on this board, I can't enjoy the good moments when the game is actually on. We literally need to be winning by 3+ touchdowns before I can relax, it sucks.

Bills will still be the team we play in the title game

Still believing in the Chiefs curse.

It claimed the Colts, Texans, and Browns before them. No reason to think the Bills will be any different.

Would be funny if they finished last in their division.

I have to think that WE are the scariest matchup in the league right now. We are, after all, 7 points from being undefeated. jmo

And we're just starting to get our game on.

I think it’s Miami. Reek comes back to Arrowhead. Won’t be an easy game, that offense is like our offense was. But their defense will have no answers for our offense either. Probably be a shootout, and I’ll take the guy with the bigger gun!

Didn't claim the Bills in 2021 but...we can make an exception.

They've looked really, really good, no doubt. Their new head coach seems to also understand exactly what he has on offense and their GM is doing everything they can to get the pieces they need to put them over the top.

But I watched Alex Smith defeat Super Bowl winners in the regular season with a stout defense and a wealth of offensive weapons.

Tua still has to prove it to me. On a cold, January day with refs who are swallowing their whistles, can he trade blow for blow against Mahomes, Allen or Lamar?

If he does, he'll have earned it. But we've watched many QB's falter when the lights are brightest in Tua's spot.