I ****in love the Power and Light district

Should have bought real estate downtown yesterday

Definitely need a cliff notes version.

I'm sure they'd like to keep it that way so probably aren't super keen on the downtown stadium after surviving P&L.

Obv. It’s adjacent to Dunn HQ and they own several of the plots

That’s why he bought into the team

I feel they squeezed in Target field to a very small spot.

Kauffman old, we moving the bitch downtown.

Similar to Chase Field in downtown Phoenix.... not right next to stuff, but pretty close. The weird thing with Chase is it hardly ever occurs to me to do stuff because I'd have to walk like 4 blocks, plus there are restaurants inside the stadium. LMAO

They'll stay at TSC, raze Kaufmann, build new arrowhead, then put in shopping/bars at old Arrowhead.

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Dare to dream a little bigger. The Royals are.

Think, business part + stadium + community center. So, 3 footprints big enought for a stadium, running West-to-East.

I think it's in that general neighborhood but a little further south.

Nope. If you listened to Clark's last press conference about the subject, everything was based on the Royals staying at Truman and improving things. With the Royals moving he had no interest in staying at Truman.

Of course you do.

I see both sides of this discussion. I started going to Kaufman in the 70s and it’s full of nostalgia for me.

That said, I find it hard to believe those that hate downtown stadiums have ever been to one.

Petco here in San Diego is fantastic. It has plenty of parking, public transit dropoff a block away, and countless restaurants and bars within walking distance for pregame food and beverage that ultimately is much cheaper than inside the stadium.

Done right, it can still be iconic, and it WILL help the surrounding area from a revenue/development perspective

I don't think he communicated that. In July he said he wanted to stay at Arrowhead and have it renovated.

“That process is ongoing,” Hunt told reporters. “We are very hopeful that we will be able to renovate GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium when the time comes. We’re probably still a year plus away from being able to make that determination.”

Gigantic ****ing Applebees is what it'll be.

ick

The LoDo area of Denver was a rundown collection of old buildings and warehouses before Coors Field was built. Now it's arguably the most active area of the city. I bet someone out there has quantified it, but I don't think there's any question it's been a huge success.


EDIT: Here's an article about it.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/0...mart-politics/

If that’s the target market, I guess?

Not even close to that in San Diego, but different locales obviously

The site down by Urban Academy and Negro League museum?

I was a server there for lunch during college golf season. Worst four months of my life. You are eating 40% microwaved food.

That is a small location, but it benefitted from the parking garages and the train, etc already next to it.

It'll absolutely be a bunch of chain bullshit. There won't be a single thing in walking distance that's actually legit KC. As in, born raised, made their salt here.

This is why I hate these types of projects. Before they put the Sprint Center in, the Crossroads area was organically beginning to thrive; arts and music and all locally owned businesses. Then Power and Blight, almost entirely chain shit from out of state. Locals are slowly getting pushed out as the developers snatch up real estate for rich people who want to live in a 'hip, urban environment', but actually hate everything about that and actually just turn it all into a whitewashed dystopia of chain restaurants, Starbucks, and some ****ing Toby Keith's yeehaw ****ing asshole bars.

Whether they plop this down right in the Crossroads district or just north, this will drive the real estate prices so high there won't be a local business anywhere in that area in 10 years. It'll all be ****ing Applebees and bullshit like that. Giant ****ing strip mall. Yay. Progress. Is this downtown Cleveland? No, Kansas City? Huh. Same difference, I guess.

****in' yuck.

Back in my day you only went downtown if you were looking for a BJ or some smack

Cool, well, you'll get to enjoy it 81 times a year soon. Bon Appetit!

Truthfully cannot remember if the light rail was there or not. But the garages help. Target Center-basketball was there. Ok to get in. getting out of the garages is hell.

More people today go to a game then get out of dodge when it is dark

That is the bigger waste of money. light rail.

look, I love Royals Stadium...but it is of an long dead era and in the middle of nowhere...and it doesn't allow us to binge drink at bars before and after the game.

Actually, I think both the Target Field station and station for the north star line came with the stadium. There was some dilapidated thing there before but I can’t remember what it was. Maybe the transit links were part of the whole project

Allen Fieldhouse.

Allen Fieldhouse.

It was better watching Wilt slam the ball down in Hoch auditorium!

It looks as though the K is the only MLB stadium left from the 70s. It opened in 1973, the next oldest stadium opened in 1989.

That’s a tribute to how good a stadium it’s been, but the only older ones are Oakland (dump) Anaheim (completely rebuilt more or less), Dodger Stadium. Then Fenway and Wrigley which are special cases.

Most of these new stadiums are nothing compared to it.

Tearing down Kauffman (Royals) Stadium is going to be as depressing as it was when they razed the Old Chelsea Theatre. [emoji22]

I didn’t realize how nice Kauffman is until I went to a few other stadiums. It’s a great place to watch a game, especially when the team was actually good.

That wouldn’t surprise me. Not sure if their HQ are still in the KC area, but they are the Waffle House of the generic sports bar/chain restaurants.

It’s one of the best I’ve ever been to in any sport and I don’t say it lightly.

Actual stadium is great. Trouble is it located where an Amazon warehouse needs to be, not a MLB stadium.

I have not ate at Applegays since 07

Ive been to Astos, Boston, Rockies, Cards and Yanks.

Its only better than Yankees

That sucks. Outside of dicks last resort and Rockin Baja lobster, most everything else is local owned stuff near petco

You should go to a lot more stadiums then. Also Fenway sucks (unless it has improved significantly over the past decade).

Id rather be in worst stadium and not have to drive to Raytown

Fenway is a gem. Its amazing. Great character. I was told I would hate Boston. I didn't

I think you are giving a lot of credit to what downtown and the crossroads was before Power and Light. It would have been amazing if downtown was more dynamic without needing a district like that but it was not the case and people simply were not living downtown or going downtown at all.

I am sympathetic to your concerns I live downtown and know first hand some of the annoying stuff about it but it was not better before. Nobody was even around to like or not like something or have an opinion on it. Not everything is a local gem in a metropolitan area Power and Light is like a ridiculous adult Disney Land its plastic and chain but has helped the area bring in more people and do more things...allowed it to turn a corner.

There are amazing local Kansas City places everywhere. Just because they are not directly across the street from an area is ok. You can still have a drink at the Campground or a pizza and beer at Caddyshack. Downtown and the surrounding area have enough for everyone. Hell even Zoo bar still shines bright. LMAO

Fair enough. I don’t live in KC and am not a Royals fan so that part of it doesn’t much matter to me when I’m in town.

Plus more vagrants and homeless

This take should be fired into the sun. The Astros? That's a joke. It's not even close.

They have been laying the groundwork for this in direct and indirect ways downtown for a while now.

This will allow the Chiefs to have max flexibility to take over all of Truman sports complex and do some interesting things.

Would be less...actually. downtown is very affluent

Boomers will hate it.

tell me you don't go downtown without telling me you don't go downtown

Are you going to a Baseball or football game or a tour of 3 to four city blocks?

If the city commits to building a 30 story parking garage across the street with extra wide spaces that you can fit a super duty in then it will win them over

No

All the Royals fans can pile into the toy train and ride the loop for free!

This Baseball owner needs to focus on producing a winning team not rebuilding a city. We want good competitive baseball if you give us that we fill the seats. The bottom line fix the team first if you need a new stadium then pay for it yourself.

There will still be ample Vespa parking in the NE corner of floor one

Fat asses complaining about having to walk 3 city blocks LMAO

New or old Yankees stadium? Old was amazing.

Friend have mine has visited almost every stadium and Kauffman is really high up the list. He is a Yankees fan as well. I personally have yet to be able to catch a royals game the 6 times I have made it to kc. I always love driving passed it though.

I live out of town so when I come to Kansas City I want to get an experience. I live the same distance away from KC as I do St. Louis. When I go to a Cardinals game, I get a hotel downtown, walk to the game, enjoy Ballpark Village and other downtown attractions. I go to a Royals game, I come up just for the game - get something to eat in Lee's Summit, go to the game and then drive 2 hours back home.

But don't care about walking god knows how far from parking at Truman

Feel like tailgating is still an issue, people in this area love it and it’s part of the scene even for baseball. In a situation like the Twins have there just is no tailgating at all.

Can’t fit a grill on my Vespa anyhow

Well you can just eat $19 street taco baskets in an amusement park with scrolling digital ads everywhere and harry styles playing over the loudspeakers instead.

It’s the same thing really

So you can't get a room downtown and drive 6 miles to the sports complex and then back to your room and explore downtown.

Most rural baseball stadiums suck compare to the ones in the cities.

It's a pain in the ass just living on the plaza I've been asked countless times why there isn't public transportation to the stadium. KC is way behind many other citites

OK so Arrowhead gets all the land.

Dude, I had a studio at 16th and Grand for ten years, and have worked in this area on and off since the late 90's.. At the beginning of that time, you could literally see tumbleweeds blowing down Grand certain times of year. Then artists started renting lofts down there. There would be rent parties, which would be live music shows, which led to actual live music venues, and art galleries, and cool little hole in the wall restaurants. It was beginning to happen, and the First Friday thing started, and early on, that was all local and grew naturally, no corporate bullshit, just like a real KC thing. Then Power and Light, and the arena, and the artists all run out for luxury loft living. Now the people in the luxury lofts are complaining about all the noise from the live music clubs and especially from Grinders, which is an outdoor smallish concert venue.

So, did 'people' go to the area before? Well, people that were part of things that were happening, yeah. People who were or were interested in art and music.

Did suburban people who want to eat chain food because that's what they know and drink $10 bud lights come by the thousands? Well, no.

Somehow people from the suburbs think things are either whitebread chain bullshit or gang war territory. It's entirely untrue and pretty insulting, really.
Not that YOU were being insulting, just that the concept of what makes a city interesting and unique is entirely lost on most people.

There is still a lot of cool stuff in the Crossroads district, but most of it will be gone soon with the rent hikes coming with a stadium build less than a mile away.

I don't think those breweries & updown will go anywhere especially with First Fridays coming back business will be boomin

I totally agree with all of this. The perception of downtown is ridiculous and wrong.

But honestly I think one of the best things KC has done lately is stop bending over backwards for people from the suburbs who don't understand it and don't give a shit and are always going to paint it as whatever they want.

City manager Brian Platt has done a good job in this regard. He knows what cities our size should be doing to thrive and he pushes to do things like that. He doesn't pretend to care what a group guys in a barber shop in Grain Valley think about what KC needs or does not need. They do not live here and do not know anything about it and bending over backwards to try to make it more appealing and catering to them.

Just feels like PL helped establish something that we have been able to build upon. Not that it is perfect and has not had problems. Alot of the issues we face now in regard to housing are not really KC specific but that does not mean we do not need to be better at making it so more people can live in and enjoy downtown.

For now.

Unless those businesses own the buildings they're in, their days will be numbered.

That's not a crazy prediction. It's exactly how all of this goes every time, in every place.

It will be generic chain stores, restaurants, and bars because only the chains will be able to cover the rent.

That's just how this goes.

It will be entirely devoid of anything authentically Kansas City. I'm sure it'll make a lot of money, and people who don't actually know the city will think it's swell, because they'll have no idea what they missed.

Damn straight!


Except that is not even close to what Sherman said.

Look, I'll be really sad to see Kauffman go, but it is what it is. It's a really old stadium that has been upgraded many times. It's time for something new.

I don't disagree with any of that necessarily, and my viewpoint is deeply arts-centric as I believe very strongly that what makes a city great, unique, and fun is the arts and entertainment. The music, art, food, theater, all that stuff. I came here as a young person to make art (music) and I stayed because it was an affordable place to live while i did so. I'm afraid for the youngsters coming up now. I mean, I own my house. But how the hell does a 22 year old kid afford rent in this city now? and still have time to make art?

You are right its an issue. It is an issue much bigger than Kansas City you see this playing out in so many places.

I think there are still a lot of great and affordable places in midtown. KC Tenants is doing amazing things as a group advocating for liveable housing for working people which in turn can create more opportunities for artists.

Or checking out the greyhound bus’s?

Yeah never been i just go to parent and teacher conferences in my free time and bitch and moan ar hoa meetings

I really like when the rurals drive up right up to the sprint/tmobile center and stare at it and then shrug and go see! Theres nowhere to park. It just makes me snort water out of my nose in laughter

KC Tenants should all be shot. Pieces of shit org

Cordish's (P&L) four light is going up, too.

All well and good, but it's a Boston based company. It's like Blvd, owned by the Belgians.

I think the goal is to get as many people into downtown as possible ( new apartments in the last few years), but like you said, it will simply out price those who made the 'roads great to begin with.

I lived in the RM and my now wife lived on 16th and Walnut pre-P&L, arena, Star building, etc. and this brings back fond memories. There would be random parties in the Crossroads at art spaces that you could just walk into, DIY music spaces, etc. Felt like everyone knew one another and after a certain time of day there was no one outside of that who was really down there at that time.

That said, and its 100% because I don't live there anymore, I do enjoy going back and seeing the evolution. Yeah its weird booking a Hampton Inn right across the street from where I once hung out, but seeing people out walking around or out walking their dogs feels nice.

I get both sides of it. If I were still down there I'm not sure how I'd feel. As an out of towner I enjoy visiting the Crossroads.

Hopefully they do it right but I totally get the feeling that it hasn't and won't end well for a lot of folks down there.

You talking about the place off of Walnut and 9th st? What used to be across from there?

Walnut and 9th?

The Stables?